●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 ●● ● Sep 20 [00:45] *anon (~anon@7fmfwm5tdiheu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 20 [01:01] *anon has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:06] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [01:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Sep 20 [03:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:06] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:52] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:52] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 20 [04:04] Techrights-sec2 """ [04:04] Techrights-sec2 news.tuxmachines.org uses an invalid security certificate. [04:04] Techrights-sec2 The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed. [04:04] Techrights-sec2 Error code: MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_SELF_SIGNED_CERT [04:04] Techrights-sec2 """ [04:04] Techrights-sec2 or so say Firefox :( [04:04] Techrights-sec2 The certificate is fine, the problem lies with Mozilla [04:05] schestowitz-TR Mozilla's CSO [04:05] schestowitz-TR no relevant experience [04:09] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [04:10] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [04:10] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [04:10] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [04:10] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:10] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:10] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:21] schestowitz-TR the servers were restarted/rebooted [04:21] schestowitz-TR I was not aware of such a thing being planned [04:21] schestowitz-TR gmnisrv did not automatically start on tm-new [04:21] schestowitz-TR I had to restart it manually with [04:21] schestowitz-TR rc-service gmnisrv restart [04:21] schestowitz-TR do you know how to set that to auto-start? [04:22] schestowitz-TR the firewall and logs tmux sessions are now gone, too [04:22] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:23] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-3fi.jlq.b7sqn6.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:25] Techrights-sec checking [04:37] Techrights-sec the tmux sessions were started manually [04:37] Techrights-sec an open-rc script can be made instead [04:37] Techrights-sec rc-update add gmnisrv [04:37] Techrights-sec shoud have done it; mosquitto seemsto have started [04:37] Techrights-sec The basic firewall (NFT) is active upon reboot [04:37] schestowitz-TR just chasing other things that now need fixing after the reboot [04:37] schestowitz-TR brb [04:41] Techrights-sec why was there a reboot? which package update required the reboot? [04:42] schestowitz-TR I don't know, but it looks like hv was restarted around 4am here [04:42] schestowitz-TR at least it gives us a chance to see what needs manual intevention [04:56] schestowitz-TR [04:56] schestowitz-TR mystery not solved [04:56] schestowitz-TR at around 2:50 the bulletin was uploaded [04:56] schestowitz-TR it went ok to txt [04:56] schestowitz-TR but not to the persistent URL rather than /txt [04:56] schestowitz-TR the logs do not show an issue [04:56] schestowitz-TR but based on irc the file did not get passed [04:56] schestowitz-TR I've just uploaded it manually [04:56] schestowitz-TR it was a large file [04:56] schestowitz-TR but this is the first time it happens [04:56] schestowitz-TR not related to the reboot [04:56] schestowitz-TR a long time before that [04:56] schestowitz-TR ok, after almost an hour I think everything is back in order [04:56] schestowitz-TR at least these reboots are very rare [04:56] schestowitz-TR and we did not lose anything in logs etc. ● Sep 20 [05:03] Techrights-sec ack [05:11] schestowitz-TR ok, i think I see further evidence of the upload error [05:11] schestowitz-TR i will do two manual sanity checks tomorrow morning [05:11] schestowitz-TR maybe a small network glitch [05:11] schestowitz-TR and the bulletin being 1.5mb in size makes it more likely to time out [05:11] schestowitz-TR I'd rather spend an hour checking and checking [05:11] schestowitz-TR then overlook some issue, as it might happen again [05:11] schestowitz-TR today i will (again, as usual lately) need some topics to cover [05:11] schestowitz-TR I find things to put in Daily Links, TM etc. [05:11] schestowitz-TR but a lot is bland [05:11] schestowitz-TR like release announcements [05:11] schestowitz-TR no real analysis of things ● Sep 20 [07:08] schestowitz-TR 07:00] "I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that Dave came up with perfect response to the other blog post" [07:08] schestowitz-TR [07:00] the perl link is wrong [07:08] schestowitz-TR [07:00] it links to npr [07:08] schestowitz-TR [07:00] I cannot find it using Gulag Search [07:08] Techrights-sec checking [07:08] Techrights-sec fixed [07:08] schestowitz-TR can you paste the url here? [07:08] schestowitz-TR just the url? i need it for a cluster about raku [07:13] Techrights-sec By the way, what caused the reboot? I missed the advanced notice? [07:14] schestowitz-TR there was no notice [07:14] schestowitz-TR good thing I woke up just before that happened and was able to respond [07:18] Techrights-sec Then what might have been the cause? [07:18] schestowitz-TR I'd rather not ask as it is rare and I don't want to bother kaniini [07:28] Techrights-sec The hv logs have the same problem as the other Alpine logs, that the [07:28] Techrights-sec authorization was piled into the main logs and then bury any relevant [07:28] Techrights-sec information. [07:29] schestowitz-TR after the reboot I noticed that ergoirc scrollback/history does not go further back then the reboot [07:29] schestowitz-TR *than [07:34] schestowitz-TR sooner or later a reboot will happen [07:34] schestowitz-TR currently it runs the kernel it booted into [07:34] schestowitz-TR if we encounter issues, we can reboot again [07:34] schestowitz-TR so far no issues seen/felt [07:34] schestowitz-TR brb too many things going on at once [07:34] schestowitz-TR and I am on shift [07:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:54] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) ● Sep 20 [08:11] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:11] schestowitz-TR one more hour, then I am free for 2 days [08:11] schestowitz-TR I am prioritising TM links at the moment, then Daily Links [08:11] schestowitz-TR speed matters [08:11] schestowitz-TR epo admin council meeting coming soon [08:11] schestowitz-TR for maximal impact the series needs to be timed correctly [08:11] schestowitz-TR i have tons of github material [08:11] schestowitz-TR it does not feel like enough sites speak about the issues with github [08:11] schestowitz-TR some kernel hackers contact me [08:12] schestowitz-TR they know github is an attack on git [08:12] schestowitz-TR some people complain about LF too [08:12] schestowitz-TR but not openly [08:12] schestowitz-TR you have just uploaded other-links for 21-09 by accident [08:20] Techrights-sec ok [08:22] schestowitz-TR I am going to revise my workflow to improve efficiency [08:22] schestowitz-TR I need to identify what routine tasks I do that can either be dropped or automated [08:36] Techrights-sec The "CoC" prevents them from publicly criticizing M$ and by extension M$ GitHub [08:36] schestowitz-TR that's "hate" [08:36] schestowitz-TR and hate leads to violence [08:38] Techrights-sec "words" are "violence" || words "are" violence [08:38] Techrights-sec according that mob [08:38] Techrights-sec wars are big business, which is why acusations of "hate" are *very* selectively [08:38] Techrights-sec applied [08:39] schestowitz-TR wars are business [08:39] schestowitz-TR better not interfere [08:39] schestowitz-TR "shut up, you are getting paid" -ECMA [08:39] schestowitz-TR tso: iraq war bush yada yada rape stastics [08:39] schestowitz-TR brigade: wait, what did you say about rape? [08:39] Techrights-sec Note that JKRowling was punching hard in politics right before she got [08:39] Techrights-sec brigaded by the misogynists [08:41] schestowitz-TR from what I have reading, writing about that other topic was the fruits of provocation [08:41] schestowitz-TR basically steering the target into the trap [08:41] schestowitz-TR like interjecting that stuff into IRC channels [08:41] schestowitz-TR self-fulfilling prophecy [08:41] schestowitz-TR as someone will say something [08:41] Techrights-sec https://www.reuters.com/article/us-warcrimes-usa-idUSKBN1392OI [08:41] Techrights-sec https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/0213/p05s01-woeu.html [08:41] Techrights-sec yes they bait targets [08:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Hague prosecutors say U.S. forces may have committed war crimes | Reuters [08:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dutch still wincing at Bush-era 'Invasion of The Hague Act' - CSMonitor.com [08:43] schestowitz-TR somehow all the chiefs in linux kernel (original people) are extremely "rude" [08:43] schestowitz-TR and the same goes for everyone ever involved in wikileaks [08:43] schestowitz-TR or... [08:43] schestowitz-TR maybe the narrative shift is at fault [08:43] schestowitz-TR CEOs of companies that attack Linux have said and done far worse [08:43] Techrights-sec https://www.abc-clio.com/products/c8109c/ [08:43] schestowitz-TR the media loves them [08:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-George W. Bush, War Criminal? The Bush Administration's Liability for 269 War Crimes ABC-CLIO [08:45] schestowitz-TR buddy of bill gates [08:45] schestowitz-TR just like jeff epstein [08:45] schestowitz-TR not a word from the brigades [08:45] schestowitz-TR ryan the poor man from IL is far more relevant to the bigger picture than billg is [08:45] Techrights-sec ack [08:47] schestowitz-TR the irc log from yesterday was long, full of typos, even trolling [08:47] schestowitz-TR but in between there was some relevant material as well [08:47] schestowitz-TR I wonder if the bulletin being 1.5 mb touched some threshold, which is why one file did not get uploaded [08:47] schestowitz-TR this is 100% not related to the downtime [08:47] schestowitz-TR but my nroutine checks caught the problem [08:47] schestowitz-TR so now I lack confidence in the process until some further sanity checks [08:47] schestowitz-TR with today's IRC logs I'll double check files' presense also [08:48] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 20 [09:13] schestowitz-TR free from work now [09:13] schestowitz-TR so less pressure/stress [09:13] schestowitz-TR in case someone fiddles with with short tempers [09:21] Techrights-sec ack [09:22] schestowitz-TR priority #1: relay and organise news, and fast [09:22] schestowitz-TR priority z (last): respond to people who try to interfere with #1 [09:22] schestowitz-TR (one needs to properly understand the issues to do it sensibly, not like a bot/drone/LF shill) [09:25] Techrights-sec ack [09:25] schestowitz-TR the occasional editorial comments and editorial picks (omissions of falsehoods) can help a lot [09:25] schestowitz-TR even if now drawning many replies [09:25] schestowitz-TR itsfoss is run by one or two clueless people with a nose for money [09:25] schestowitz-TR rianne keeps complaining about them more than I do [09:25] Techrights-sec clueless on purpose or by accident [09:25] Techrights-sec ? [09:28] schestowitz-TR some people, when faced with prospect of a quick buck, can deceive themselves [09:28] schestowitz-TR and that cannot be easily distinguished from dishonesty [09:28] schestowitz-TR for a few weeks christine did a trivia experiment at fossforce [09:28] schestowitz-TR seems to have stopped [09:28] schestowitz-TR not sure what to do with that domain [09:28] schestowitz-TR for a few years it was 'on loan' to bbyfield [09:28] schestowitz-TR of course he mostly attacked the FS movement [09:28] schestowitz-TR concern-trolling it [09:28] schestowitz-TR now that site is donning endorsements for LF [09:29] schestowitz-TR for diploma mills [09:29] schestowitz-TR just years after christine blasted LF [09:29] schestowitz-TR LF has only gotten more sinister since then [09:29] schestowitz-TR spamnil, sjvn and chums know where the $ is [09:29] schestowitz-TR you can even get paid for videos that get just 10 views [09:29] schestowitz-TR then spend the money buying clickfraud [09:30] Techrights-sec ack [09:30] Techrights-sec so. clueless on purpose, it would seem [09:33] schestowitz-TR saying this out in the open makes oneself more enemies than necessary [09:33] schestowitz-TR but for informal irc discussion I think it's OK [09:33] schestowitz-TR christine was hurt by some things figosdev wrote [09:34] schestowitz-TR (in the site) [09:34] schestowitz-TR re clueless on purpose [09:34] schestowitz-TR that's a comedy-centric term [09:34] schestowitz-TR it is contradictoty within its own contaxt [09:34] schestowitz-TR because if you do it on purpose you are not clueless [09:34] schestowitz-TR itsfoss is mostly 2 people [09:34] schestowitz-TR I know them, they asked me for TM account [09:34] schestowitz-TR they don't live in a rich country [09:34] schestowitz-TR and they have some guest writers [09:34] schestowitz-TR I don't want to hurt them [09:34] schestowitz-TR btw, mjg, who reads this (in irc) [09:34] schestowitz-TR is a clever person [09:34] schestowitz-TR well educated [09:34] schestowitz-TR he too knows that he's full of BS sometimes [09:34] schestowitz-TR but he is buoyed by $ [09:34] schestowitz-TR maybe one day he'll relent [09:34] Techrights-sec well-educated at least but short on judgement [09:34] Techrights-sec or recant [09:34] Techrights-sec or repent [09:34] Techrights-sec but first when the money runs out he'll relent [09:36] schestowitz-TR when people become insecure due to lack of sometthing [09:36] schestowitz-TR they fall back on or compensate with $ [09:36] schestowitz-TR "look how much I made" [09:36] schestowitz-TR I can guess what was lacking [09:36] schestowitz-TR but guessing is not good when you're assessed on accuracy [09:36] schestowitz-TR so I keep speculation to myself [09:36] schestowitz-TR it's the same with Graveley [09:36] schestowitz-TR a weirdo, a freak, a mental case [09:36] schestowitz-TR even de icaza acknowledged as such [09:36] Techrights-sec ack [09:39] schestowitz-TR microsoft is prince andrew [09:39] schestowitz-TR I am the guy who shouters from the crowd [09:39] schestowitz-TR mjg is the cop [09:39] schestowitz-TR doing the dirty work for andrew [09:39] schestowitz-TR by arresting the person who calls him out [09:39] schestowitz-TR (I assume you saw the videos by now) [09:46] Techrights-sec nope but I have read about cops roughing up anyone in the crowd there who [09:46] Techrights-sec has spoken up about "no kings" or similar [09:46] Techrights-sec Too bad much of the press and most of the politicians are fed by MBS' own [09:46] Techrights-sec Twitter Inc which modifies the discourse by boosting or suppressing specific [09:46] Techrights-sec tags or catchphrases. [09:46] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=niKzVnaoK5s [09:46] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9YSie19OACI [09:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | 'Andrew, you're a sick man': police drag heckler from crowd during Queen's procession - Invidious [09:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Man Calls Prince Andrew 'Sick Old Man' During Royal Procession - Invidious [09:49] schestowitz-TR you can be sure cops anmd spies will dig up any dirt gchq can find on him [09:49] schestowitz-TR to shiuft the narrative [09:49] schestowitz-TR and maybe justify the treatment he received [09:49] schestowitz-TR distracting from the treatment "Andrew" gave women [09:49] schestowitz-TR inc. exes [09:49] schestowitz-TR like the man who films the mureder of eric garner [09:49] schestowitz-TR and was later arrested [09:49] schestowitz-TR then died [09:49] schestowitz-TR like the daughter of eric garner [09:49] schestowitz-TR "well, he's dead" [09:49] Techrights-sec ack [09:49] Techrights-sec The cops suppress criticism because it could lead to criticism of Bill [09:49] Techrights-sec yep [09:50] schestowitz-TR crticism is "hate [09:50] schestowitz-TR if you go to a football game and hold up a sign against Newcastle United being owned by a terror family [09:50] schestowitz-TR they will detain you, not the saudis [09:50] schestowitz-TR and this is how the terms of in the laws (not just "hate") are misused [09:51] schestowitz-TR [19:37] Today a young Brit will face a royal CoC (Code of Conduct). "Andrew" the 'prince' can screw girls, but you only face charges for shouting at "Andrew" the 'prince' for screwing girls... [09:51] schestowitz-TR [19:39] In a similar vein, in FOSS/tech the CoC is protecting vulnerable minorities such as Google and Microsoft... from people who 'HECKLE' them over their war crimes, corruption etc. [09:56] schestowitz-TR erica garner died from bad health [09:56] schestowitz-TR ntohign to indicate otherwise [09:56] schestowitz-TR obese, too [09:56] schestowitz-TR but... [09:57] schestowitz-TR she had become a MASSIVE liaibility to cops and the left left [09:57] schestowitz-TR she responded to leaks about Clinton [09:57] schestowitz-TR and had MASSIVE following online [09:57] schestowitz-TR condemned cops and the system regaulardly [09:57] schestowitz-TR so her death was not only tragic (she was young) [09:57] schestowitz-TR also an epic loss [09:57] schestowitz-TR she would blast HRC for her racism [09:57] schestowitz-TR based on leaks [09:57] schestowitz-TR democracynow had her on many times, iirc [09:57] schestowitz-TR she was young [09:57] schestowitz-TR amy goodman and others are old [09:57] schestowitz-TR like chomsky, the state can just wait patiently for them to die naturally [09:57] schestowitz-TR assange was "too young" [09:57] schestowitz-TR his father is still very active and in high spirits [09:57] schestowitz-TR assange is also widely recognise [09:57] schestowitz-TR like some harry potter author [09:57] schestowitz-TR so there are hounds taking down their images [09:57] schestowitz-TR even tearing down recognition symbolc [09:57] schestowitz-TR like murals, medals, statues, faculties, articles [09:57] schestowitz-TR wikipedia is one form of sabotage [09:57] schestowitz-TR I've mostly stopped linking to wikipedia if I can avoid it [09:58] mjg59_ tbf assange is a rapist [09:58] mjg59_ So criticism there is pretty justifiable ● Sep 20 [10:00] Techrights-sec Wikipedia is mostly just corporate marketeering and paid squatters [10:00] schestowitz-TR I saw people wasting a lot of time trying to correct it [10:00] schestowitz-TR it's pointless [10:01] schestowitz-TR or trying to correct corrupt publishers [10:01] schestowitz-TR it's like trying to draw blood from a rock [10:01] schestowitz-TR it might yield something at the end [10:01] schestowitz-TR but low return on effort [10:01] schestowitz-TR same with trying to persuade "the media" to cover EPO crimes [10:11] schestowitz-TR this is a type Z priority [10:11] schestowitz-TR distracts from priority #1 [10:11] schestowitz-TR maybe that's its goal [10:11] schestowitz-TR wearing off mentally [10:13] schestowitz-TR I could use some timely topics to cover [10:13] schestowitz-TR i thought of aq few yesterday [10:13] schestowitz-TR but changed my mind [10:13] schestowitz-TR like sfc [10:13] schestowitz-TR it's not too clear what goes on behind the scenes [10:13] schestowitz-TR based on the message from zoe kooyman, they are fighting over stewardship [10:13] schestowitz-TR iow, sfc wants to outgrow FSF and take over its revenue sources [10:13] schestowitz-TR i.e. similar to what fsfe SANS Georg Greve is trying to do [10:15] Techrights-sec The topic of libel? [10:15] Techrights-sec Check the recent video from Nick regarding the abuse of control over browser [10:15] Techrights-sec extensions. Some real trouble will be enabled by those changes. [10:15] Techrights-sec https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/how-google-is-killing-your-ad-blockers:b [10:15] Techrights-sec There might be a written source to point to instead [10:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | How Google is KILLING your AD BLOCKERS and tracker blockers with Manifest v3 [10:15] Techrights-sec https://www.itworldcanada.com/post/googles-manifest-v3-rules-restrict-adguards-new-ad-blocker [10:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.itworldcanada.com | Googles manifest V3 rules restrict AdGuards new ad blocker - IT World Canada [10:17] schestowitz-TR I liked to Nick's video twice [10:17] schestowitz-TR from two sources [10:17] schestowitz-TR you know which 2 [10:17] schestowitz-TR I am not too sympathetic to nick himself as his videos are littered with ads [10:17] schestowitz-TR and he even does fake reviews and gift-shilling [10:17] schestowitz-TR which is why youtube took action against him (again, selectively; gulag doesn't like real linux) [10:17] schestowitz-TR *linked to [10:17] schestowitz-TR there are already written articles on this topic [10:17] schestowitz-TR I did not watch nick's video [10:17] schestowitz-TR so it would not cover something truly new [10:17] schestowitz-TR gulag needs to be eradicated [10:17] schestowitz-TR but less urgently than Microsoft [10:17] schestowitz-TR but it's not a serial task [10:17] schestowitz-TR you can do both at the same time if more people join in and make a wave of negative publiciyy [10:19] Techrights-sec https://www.itworldcanada.com/post/googles-manifest-v3-rules-restrict-adguards-new-ad-blocker [10:19] Techrights-sec Yes, the shilling is a barrier but he provides timestamps to hop over easily [10:19] Techrights-sec enough [10:19] Techrights-sec M$ has been able to agitate politicians and, to a lessr extent, the public [10:19] Techrights-sec against Google / Alphabet. The attention is well-earned but due to very [10:19] Techrights-sec restricted resources, that takes the political and legal heat entirely off of [10:19] Techrights-sec m$ in regards to scrutiny over anti-competitive practices and monopoly abuse. [10:22] schestowitz-TR you said nick isolates the ad parts [10:22] schestowitz-TR not sure if this is noticed, but when i use invidious in TM I add the ?t=[marker] to help people skip past the cruft if possible [10:22] schestowitz-TR i think it also makes the videos a little more accessible [10:22] schestowitz-TR if I need to make the videos more narrow by default, that can easily be done [10:22] schestowitz-TR I don't think I can specify width in % [10:22] schestowitz-TR not for those kids of elements [10:22] schestowitz-TR i think it's iframe [10:22] schestowitz-TR with a canvas for