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[10:26] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [10:26] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [10:26] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by MinceR at Thu Jan 28 18:22:54 2016 [10:26] -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel [10:26] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz_log [10:42] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [10:42] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [10:42] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by MinceR at Thu Jan 28 18:22:54 2016 [10:43] -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel [10:43] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz_log ● Jan 21 [13:44] schestowitz__ http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-inexorable-rise-of-epo-oral.html?showComment=1611179817027#c7633250144337924548 [13:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The inexorable rise of EPO oral proceedings by video conference - The IPKat [13:44] schestowitz__ " [13:44] schestowitz__ Dear Anon of 10.47 [13:44] schestowitz__ I am inclined to think that you are much more familiar with UK practice than with European practice. [13:44] schestowitz__ As far as I know, UK appeal is much more law based than at the EPO. This is certainly not the case at the boards. When the documents (prior art, requests) filed in appeal are admitted in the procedure, the discussion is mainly about technique. [13:44] schestowitz__ In opposition, there is also not a lot of written input at the EPO, as there are in general at best two exchanges. The OD summons rapidly to OP in order to avoid ping-pong between opponent and proprietor. If possible the OD gives its provisional opinion in the annex to the summons. [13:44] schestowitz__ In my experience and should necessity arise, the applicant/inventor is as useful in opposition as in examination. But be it in examination a representative should know from its client what his needs are and what is useless to him. [13:44] schestowitz__ Whether one takes Japanese or US applicants, or applicants sitting next door to the EPO, they are mostly using qualified representatives. [13:44] schestowitz__ That UK representatives have longer to travel to the EPO than Munich ones is not a reason to have OP in form of a ViCo. The same applies for Finnish or Turkish representatives. [13:44] schestowitz__ " ● Jan 21 [16:33] schestowitz__ vzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352287554226286592 [16:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Biggest threat is the return of the STRONGER patent act, as announced by Tillis yesterday, and soon Coons? [16:34] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352253077382967298 [16:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz @jimmac @dohbee When it comes to community, open standards (with interoperability) is much more i https://t.co/iB5v3cySm1 [16:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz @jimmac @dohbee When it comes to community, open standards (with interoperability) is much more i https://t.co/iB5v3cySm1 [16:34] schestowitz__ " [16:34] schestowitz__ When it comes to community, open standards (with interoperability) is much more important than "mandating" FOSS tools. [16:34] schestowitz__ (FOSS tools are still very good to suggest and try to use, but being able to work together effectively is even more important.) [16:34] schestowitz__ " [16:34] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352251492208619520 [16:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Agreed! If proprietary tools couldn't be used, BlueCurve and Tango would not exist. Back then, I https://t.co/0lY3uSp4rL [16:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Agreed! If proprietary tools couldn't be used, BlueCurve and Tango would not exist. Back then, I https://t.co/0lY3uSp4rL [16:34] schestowitz__ " [16:34] schestowitz__ Agreed! [16:34] schestowitz__ If proprietary tools couldn't be used, BlueCurve and Tango would not exist. Back then, I used Illustrator on a Mac. (I switched full time to Inkscape during the start of Tango; it didn't exist during BlueCurve). [16:34] schestowitz__ And this is just my story. Many others have their own too. [16:34] schestowitz__ " [16:35] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352252616718381057 [16:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Imagine the Linux desktop today if neither BlueCurve nor Tango (& the icon naming spec) ever exis https://t.co/pTzvJDKXcB [16:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Imagine the Linux desktop today if neither BlueCurve nor Tango (& the icon naming spec) ever exis https://t.co/pTzvJDKXcB [16:35] schestowitz__ " [16:35] schestowitz__ Imagine the Linux desktop today if neither BlueCurve nor Tango (& the icon naming spec) ever existed! [16:35] schestowitz__ Face screaming in fear [16:35] schestowitz__ (Others contributed to Tango even more than I did, including @jimmac [16:35] schestowitz__ with oh-so-many icons & @dohbee [16:35] schestowitz__ with the spec. But it wouldn't have happened if FOSS-only was mandated.) [16:35] schestowitz__ " [16:35] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352243736865079296 [16:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz I used to think that free software companies should eat their own dogfood, but there are two https://t.co/Ki7aL20K4T [16:35] schestowitz__ "I used to think that free software companies should eat their own dogfood, but there are two important aspects I was missing: 1) forcing the use of FLOSS shrinks the amount of candidates who can apply for a design job or even making contributions." [16:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz I used to think that free software companies should eat their own dogfood, but there are two https://t.co/Ki7aL20K4T [16:36] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352244340622585857 [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Does that mean that there aren't any artists using FLOSS? Of course not, but truth is that ar https://t.co/mDACGO5O1y [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Does that mean that there aren't any artists using FLOSS? Of course not, but truth is that ar https://t.co/mDACGO5O1y [16:36] schestowitz__ "Does that mean that there aren't any artists using FLOSS? Of course not, but truth is that artists using FLOSS are just a handful, and it's always the same people. And some of them are more capable/prepared than others." [16:36] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352244920757710851 [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz 2) Some FLOSS graphics apps are limited, and choosing to use them might mean sacrificing prod https://t.co/lc3Y6xyITW [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz 2) Some FLOSS graphics apps are limited, and choosing to use them might mean sacrificing prod https://t.co/lc3Y6xyITW [16:36] schestowitz__ "2) Some FLOSS graphics apps are limited, and choosing to use them might mean sacrificing productivity. Things can be done, but sometimes in a way that is not as enjoyable or efficient as people who use them might need." [16:36] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352245558858153990 [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Allowing people coming from other software to contribute, provide their expertise and insight https://t.co/kf6mkTSNg7 [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Allowing people coming from other software to contribute, provide their expertise and insight https://t.co/kf6mkTSNg7 [16:36] schestowitz__ "Allowing people coming from other software to contribute, provide their expertise and insights about the tools and trying to capitalize that into making FLOSS options better so they can switch sounds like a way better idea than condemning and demonizing the use of non-free apps." [16:36] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352240763908870144 [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Additionally, Madeline is an illustration student. And she's contributing to Fedora using open formats https://t.co/PUhDYH3ZIi [16:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Additionally, Madeline is an illustration student. And she's contributing to Fedora using open formats https://t.co/PUhDYH3ZIi [16:36] schestowitz__ " [16:36] schestowitz__ Additionally, Madeline is an illustration student. And she's contributing to Fedora using open formats (and even Free Software). [16:36] schestowitz__ Most schools teach with Adobe products so most FOSS advocates in school will probably still have to use Adobe products from time to time. [16:36] schestowitz__ " [16:37] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352239488894906370 [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Many of us exclusively use Free Software whenever possible. And that includes design and illustration https://t.co/YiEjAPTSno [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Many of us exclusively use Free Software whenever possible. And that includes design and illustration https://t.co/YiEjAPTSno [16:37] schestowitz__ " [16:37] schestowitz__ Many of us exclusively use Free Software whenever possible. And that includes design and illustration work, among many other roles at Red Hat. [16:37] schestowitz__ Please don't point to one instance where someone mentions an Adobe link in a personal blog and then use it demonize all of us. [16:37] schestowitz__ " [16:37] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352237843742138371 [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz There are many of us who work at Red Hat who use Free Software for design, illustration, and so on. I https://t.co/auFG9Da8fP [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz There are many of us who work at Red Hat who use Free Software for design, illustration, and so on. I https://t.co/auFG9Da8fP [16:37] schestowitz__ " [16:37] schestowitz__ There are many of us who work at Red Hat who use Free Software for design, illustration, and so on. [16:37] schestowitz__ Including (but not limited to) use of the following software: [16:37] schestowitz__ - Inkscape [16:37] schestowitz__ - Blender [16:37] schestowitz__ - GIMP [16:37] schestowitz__ - Krita [16:37] schestowitz__ - MyPaint [16:37] schestowitz__ - Scribus [16:37] schestowitz__ - darktable [16:37] schestowitz__ - Kdenlive [16:37] schestowitz__ " [16:37] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gbraad/status/1352224096851935232 [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gbraad: @schestowitz https://t.co/7ZOIQfUAS1 [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.madelinepeck.com | September Blog Post Madeline Peck [16:37] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/gbraad/status/1352223102021713924 [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gbraad: @schestowitz Where did you see she did? She is merely referring to a book she made on an Adobe link. [16:38] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/mattdm/status/1352221008510517248 [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattdm: This is absolutely true! No purity test is required to participate in Fedora. While the Design Team puts amazing, s https://t.co/G3XWnvnH7O [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattdm: This is absolutely true! No purity test is required to participate in Fedora. While the Design Team puts amazing, s https://t.co/G3XWnvnH7O [16:38] schestowitz__ "This is absolutely true! No purity test is required to participate in Fedora. While the Design Team puts amazing, significant work into not just evangelizing but actually *teaching* open source tools like Inkscape, Gimp, and Krita, we also don't judge if you use other software." [16:38] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/PierreJoye/status/1352197404431245316 [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PierreJoye: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz patch and git can be used anywhere, and from anywhere. [16:38] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/davidjmemmett/status/1352181178422452226 [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@davidjmemmett: @zoobab @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz Git _can_ be centralised, but by design it is decentralised: https://t.co/gRnist9pYf #rtfm [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git-scm.com | Git - git-remote Documentation [16:39] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352175180169310221 [16:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz I use git since the early days, always bragged since day 1 about their "decentralized https://t.co/A7F3VvImnB [16:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz I use git since the early days, always bragged since day 1 about their "decentralized https://t.co/A7F3VvImnB [16:39] schestowitz__ "I use git since the early days, always bragged since day 1 about their "decentralized" claim. The "decentralized" claim was a reaction to SVN. If you blow up Github tomorrow out of the planet, let's hope the "decentralized" argument will hold." [16:40] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/thepotatokitty/status/1352174839579205632 [16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thepotatokitty: @bagder @schestowitz Is it just me or the sidebar font in https://t.co/Jdde4RqgOk doesn't look right https://t.co/XrV3py6PCY [16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> everything.curl.dev | Introduction - Everything curl [16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thepotatokitty: @bagder @schestowitz Is it just me or the sidebar font in https://t.co/Jdde4RqgOk doesn't look right https://t.co/XrV3py6PCY [16:40] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/Keruspe/status/1352174654643974144 [16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Keruspe: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz So you dont know how to use git, fine. That doesnt mean you need to brag about it. [16:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/mousahalaseh/status/1352174442793873408 [16:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mousahalaseh: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz You can also send a git patch to the mailing-list [16:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352174385835241472 [16:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz Git is centralized, otherwise there would not be any "hub". [16:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/Keruspe/status/1352173666365304836 [16:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Keruspe: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz Hint: git is decentralized, and github isn't the only source of truth. [16:41] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352172955590160384 [16:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @bagder @schestowitz How do you make a Pull Request without an account on Github? [16:42] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/toofeoo/status/1351956759984922625 [16:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@toofeoo: @schestowitz Arf I can't add him https://t.co/2WZMH8ULNj he is not on fediverse Apparently he does not know #hubzilla [16:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> odysee.com | Lunduke on Tech [16:42] schestowitz__ " [16:42] schestowitz__ Arf I can't add him https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e he is not on fediverse [16:42] schestowitz__ Upside-down face [16:42] schestowitz__ Apparently he does not know #hubzilla [16:42] schestowitz__ " [16:42] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/mfioretti_en/status/1351843635394981888 [16:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mfioretti_en: @schestowitz shouldn't that be titled "10 bold moves #joebiden can make to be #sanders"? [16:42] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1351821313715949568 [16:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: awful, although it's irrelevant what her religion is... https://t.co/lQYT5btXpq [16:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #forcedmarriage https://t.co/kYFoceh5bG [16:43] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/m_ueberall/status/1351798907106418688 [16:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@m_ueberall: @schestowitz "What would be really nice here is a tool that would write out lots of information about the files on https://t.co/bO5wEmAm7X [16:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@m_ueberall: @schestowitz "What would be really nice here is a tool that would write out lots of information about the files on https://t.co/bO5wEmAm7X [16:43] schestowitz__ ""What would be really nice here is a tool that would write out lots of information about the files on a system: their names, sizes, last modified dates, maybe even sha256sum and other data." For #backups, I rely on #Parchive (an erasure code system): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchive" [16:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Parchive - Wikipedia [16:44] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352295549567967235 [16:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz If Github is deleted tomorrow, few people have a copy. 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