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[07:09] Techrights-sec maintenance; eta ~ 30 min [07:09] Techrights-sec done [07:17] schestowitz-TR turns out [07:17] schestowitz-TR that the downtime was about 30 mins [07:17] schestowitz-TR if that happens again [07:17] schestowitz-TR httpd stop [07:17] schestowitz-TR then start [07:17] schestowitz-TR seems to resolved the issue [07:17] schestowitz-TR it happened in the very distant past, maybe 2 years ago [07:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jan 21 [08:03] Techrights-sec I will log in and check the logs too. [08:03] Techrights-sec $ uptime [08:03] Techrights-sec 07:59:57 up 16 days, 23:24, 2 users, load average: 3.69, 4.73, 8.95 [08:03] Techrights-sec These are somewhat suspicious: [08:03] Techrights-sec [Fri Jan 21 07:55:19.286360 2022] [proxy_fcgi:error] [pid 14172:tid 1402989737920 [08:03] Techrights-sec 00] [client 81.152.238.64:45176] AH01068: Got bogus version 101 [08:03] Techrights-sec [Fri Jan 21 07:57:02.299727 2022] [cgi:error] [pid 14092:tid 140299218614016] [cl [08:03] Techrights-sec ient 103.102.69.80:58225] script not found or unable to stat: /var/www/cgi-bin/we [08:03] Techrights-sec bscr, referer: http://techrights.org/donate/ [08:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Donate | Techrights [08:03] Techrights-sec from /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-error_log [08:04] schestowitz-TR if these are never seen before, then maybe... I think around 6:30 my time, based [08:04] schestowitz-TR on the emails we got, the site became not available [08:19] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:19] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:21] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:21] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:21] Techrights-sec I think they're probably unrelated but something that probably ought to be fixed [08:22] schestowitz-TR this sort of issue last happened in 2020 iirc, maybe 2019 [08:24] Techrights-sec I think they're probably unrelated but something that probably ought to be fixed [08:24] Techrights-sec The logs only go back a short while: [08:24] Techrights-sec # journalctl -u httpd | head -n3 [08:24] Techrights-sec -- Logs begin at Thu 2022-01-20 00:50:39 UTC, end at Fri 2022-01-21 08:23:08 UTC. [08:24] Techrights-sec -- [08:24] Techrights-sec Jan 21 07:07:01 techrights systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server... [08:24] Techrights-sec Jan 21 07:08:31 techrights systemd[1]: httpd.service stop-sigterm timed out. Kill [08:24] Techrights-sec ing. [08:24] schestowitz-TR it did feel like it had timed out or hung [08:25] schestowitz-TR in the past we had a cron job to restart apache in case of issues, very distant past, I think you wrote that code in 2013 [08:26] Techrights-sec looking at other logs ... [08:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@zd9ersed554wu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:29] Techrights-sec there's a lot which can be done to quiet the logs, once there is a proper OS [08:29] Techrights-sec upgrade [08:29] Techrights-sec Check /var/log/messages around 06:00:01 [08:32] Techrights-sec checking [08:32] Techrights-sec ok, i can see systemd spawning lots of crap [08:32] schestowitz-TR checking [08:32] schestowitz-TR ok, i can see systemd spawning lots of crap [08:33] Techrights-sec Check /var/log/messages around 06:00:01 and 06:30:01, prbobably a cron job [08:33] Techrights-sec not sure if it is related [08:33] Techrights-sec There are also these which are curious: [08:33] Techrights-sec Jan 21 06:59:56 techrights journal: Suppressed 524 messages from /system.slice/po [08:33] Techrights-sec stfix.service [08:38] schestowitz-TR btw, it looks the ccapsule is not updating with new articlkes [08:38] schestowitz-TR have not yet looked into it [08:56] Techrights-sec The last response seems to be at 06:05:48 [08:56] Techrights-sec - - - [21/Jan/2022:06:05:48 +0000] "GET /videos/six-gemini-clients.webm HTTP/1.1" [08:56] Techrights-sec 206 42004750 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTM [08:56] Techrights-sec L, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.54 Safari/537.36" [08:56] Techrights-sec - - - [21/Jan/2022:07:08:37 +0000] "GET /wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Techrights-pi [08:56] Techrights-sec llars.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 11240 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 [08:56] Techrights-sec (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/97.0.4692.71 Safari/537.36" [08:56] Techrights-sec but the error log continues onward after that [08:56] Techrights-sec ok I'll look at Gemini now [08:56] Techrights-sec the connectivity to the rpi is very slow [08:56] Techrights-sec Failed feed for 'http://techrights.org/feed/' [08:56] Techrights-sec Could not find feed at URL: "http://techrights.org/feed/" [08:56] Techrights-sec $ wget http://techrights.org/feed/ [08:56] Techrights-sec --2022-01-21 08:52:31-- http://techrights.org/feed/ [08:56] Techrights-sec Resolving techrights.org (techrights.org)... 23.161.112.116 [08:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/feed/ ) [08:56] Techrights-sec Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... connected. [08:56] Techrights-sec HTTP request sent, awaiting response... [08:56] Techrights-sec ... [08:56] Techrights-sec TR seems unreachable from the RPi, the Gemini script has been trying for over [08:56] Techrights-sec 10 minutes to reach it via HTTP and retrieve an uncorrupted feed file. [08:57] schestowitz-TR oh wait [08:57] schestowitz-TR site is down again [08:59] schestowitz-TR restarting apache ● Jan 21 [09:00] Techrights-sec still unresponsive via HTTP from the RPi [09:01] schestowitz-TR did you run something also? now systemd gets all fussy about apache [09:01] Techrights-sec Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... failed: Conne [09:01] Techrights-sec ction refused. [09:01] Techrights-sec nope [09:01] Techrights-sec just watching the system logs [09:02] Techrights-sec Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: Unit httpd.se [09:02] Techrights-sec rvice entered failed state. [09:02] Techrights-sec Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: Unit httpd.service entered failed state. [09:02] Techrights-sec Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: httpd.service failed. [09:03] Techrights-sec the gemini script tries 10 times to get a feed and then fails. :/ [09:03] schestowitz-TR site back online and working [09:03] schestowitz-TR I think your tests encountered a different kind of issue [09:03] schestowitz-TR due to site being offline [09:05] Techrights-sec Something like that happens enough for retries to have been added to the [09:05] Techrights-sec scripts. [09:05] Techrights-sec The httpd configuration files need polishing and refactoring. [09:06] schestowitz-TR they are rather old [09:08] schestowitz-TR wait, I think I see a pattern now [09:08] schestowitz-TR many requests for very loaded pages [09:08] schestowitz-TR maybe gaming up the capacity [09:08] schestowitz-TR oh, never mind, I misread that [09:09] Techrights-sec The warnings [09:09] Techrights-sec indicate that they won't work in future versions as they currently are. [09:09] Techrights-sec ack [09:09] schestowitz-TR in future OS kaniini wishes to move away from apache completely [09:10] Techrights-sec towards? [09:10] schestowitz-TR cannot remember [09:12] Techrights-sec nginx ? OpenBSD's httpd? [09:13] Techrights-sec Moving away from Apache2 is probably a good move, it has gotten too bloated. [09:13] Techrights-sec Nginx has also bloated [09:13] schestowitz-TR its founder has just quit [09:13] schestowitz-TR (f5) [09:13] schestowitz-TR apache's founder now works for zemlin [09:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [09:20] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:27] Techrights-sec nothing in the journalctl logs regarding the last freeze [09:27] Techrights-sec Jan 21 07:08:37 techrights systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP Server. [09:27] Techrights-sec Jan 21 08:58:41 techrights systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server... [09:27] schestowitz-TR yes, those are me [09:27] schestowitz-TR re gemini, the capsule is up to date again [09:27] schestowitz-TR we need to watch closely apache today as I cannot recall such [09:27] schestowitz-TR issues in years and it happened twice in 3 hours [09:41] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:41] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:42] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:46] Techrights-sec gemini-cron-updater.sh finally ran to completion successfully, [09:46] Techrights-sec connectivity seems to be a severe problem [09:46] Techrights-sec Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... failed: Conne [09:46] Techrights-sec ction refused. [09:47] schestowitz-TR was that when apache was down [09:47] schestowitz-TR seems unrelated to thr trraffic shaping policy ● Jan 21 [10:03] Techrights-sec some of it was while Apache was down. [10:05] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:05] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:05] schestowitz-TR ok, so that clarifies it better [10:05] schestowitz-TR this past week or since Monday we had harder times [10:05] schestowitz-TR but I think these are the tests (like ddos, threats, slap) [10:05] schestowitz-TR that make or break or set apart sites that can stay standing [10:05] schestowitz-TR for decadea dnd those that cannopt [10:05] schestowitz-TR I have spoken a lot lately with the last editor of [10:05] schestowitz-TR linux journal, who is a fan of tuxmachines and contributes [10:05] schestowitz-TR to it [10:05] schestowitz-TR a lot of "proper" reporting sites are gone and maybe [10:05] schestowitz-TR the sole upside is that more of the people who whispered to [10:05] schestowitz-TR them are now whispering to us instead with tips and leads [10:05] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:11] Techrights-sec ack [10:11] Techrights-sec There would be inconvenience in upgrading but I think the net result would be [10:11] Techrights-sec lower maintenance. [10:12] schestowitz-TR sometimes I wonder if the publication style and format can be altered to make wordpress obsolete, seeing how the pattern of news changes over time, with barely any journalism left at least in the covered areas (patents etc.) [10:12] schestowitz-TR I think a radically new approach of some kind is needed [10:13] schestowitz-TR and one which does not rely on "social" media of gulagtube etc. [10:14] schestowitz-TR oh, also gulagnews [10:14] schestowitz-TR it is becoming so noisy and the "signal" is relatively low quality [10:14] schestowitz-TR compared to 2005-2010 [10:14] schestowitz-TR like, what's the point linking to some law firms's pure BS even [10:14] schestowitz-TR if you respond to them? [10:14] schestowitz-TR On UPC it is 100% BS, 0% actual jopurnalism [10:15] Techrights-sec Google news is more spam and propaganda than info. [10:19] Techrights-sec Yes, but many in the so-called business sector worship BS and admire [10:19] Techrights-sec a successful grift more than anything of substance. [10:19] Techrights-sec :( [10:22] schestowitz-TR yes, but "every littkle" we can do to push back against it matters a lot [10:22] schestowitz-TR I think RMS said something to that effect too last yuear [10:22] schestowitz-TR iirc, in re the clown [10:22] schestowitz-TR just because we donm't win the war doesn't mean we should stop the small battles [10:22] schestowitz-TR or, as my dad puts it, every littlew activism can "slow down" the harms [10:23] Techrights-sec agreed; yes he has repeated that theme occasionally [10:25] schestowitz-TR upc was 'supposed' to have come in 2015, but we keep kicking that aside and RMS too is involved behind the curtains [10:25] schestowitz-TR oh, btw, as a reminder, groklaw 'shut down' in 2013, but News Picks was last updated in 2014 [10:25] activelow theft and plundering doesn't require a patent curt anyway [10:25] schestowitz-TR because PJ added a pick about Alice, SCOTUS 2014 [10:25] schestowitz-TR a major breakthrough [10:26] activelow theft and fraud remain what they are, with or without patent claims involved [10:27] schestowitz-TR true [10:27] schestowitz-TR but that is an extra tool for 'legitimising' the theft [10:27] schestowitz-TR like making 150 euros from each german for 3 doses [10:27] schestowitz-TR which cost like 50 cents to produce and distribute [10:28] schestowitz-TR the nurse that administers the "juice" costs more than the "juice" [10:28] schestowitz-TR because of the hourly rate. Maybe they can do, at most, 10 people per hour [10:28] schestowitz-TR and then they wonder why so many workers resign [10:28] schestowitz-TR they get paid like 10% of what the dose is charged for [10:29] schestowitz-TR and the dose costs almost nothing to mae [10:29] schestowitz-TR what does that make the nurse? [10:29] schestowitz-TR a little corporate slave of a patent cabal? [10:30] activelow just, sometimes, i feel as if some of the opposition to patents is motivated by the same mindset which supports it: fraud and theft [10:30] activelow removal of a GPL or BSD license header is equally terrible [10:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:35] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [10:47] schestowitz-TR i have just had to give apache a kick again. first around 6:30am, then around 8:5 [10:47] schestowitz-TR 0 iirc, now it's 10:40 ish [10:49] Techrights-sec I suppose I should turn on monitoring here. Hardware is all different so I'll [10:49] Techrights-sec have to re-script things [10:49] schestowitz-TR we also have some existing script somewhere to start apache again if the site cannot be reached over default port for http [10:51] schestowitz-TR of note, but probbaly not important: [10:51] schestowitz-TR about 5 days ago, for the first time in months [10:51] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines needed the script that restarts apache [10:51] schestowitz-TR and restricts access via htaccess [10:51] schestowitz-TR that became needed again 2 days later [10:51] schestowitz-TR and then last night [10:52] Techrights-sec ack ● Jan 21 [11:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:11] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:25] schestowitz rant: ages ago I followed https://www.rdwolff.com/feed but some time along the way these "wise men" decided that they should instead rely on Twitter and Facebook to manage their audience [11:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rdwolff.com/feed ) [11:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:41] schestowitz-TR have quickly written a short monitoring script taking into account the [11:41] schestowitz-TR different hardware arrangement on this end [11:41] Techrights-sec have quickly written a short monitoring script taking into account the [11:41] Techrights-sec different hardware arrangement on this end [11:42] schestowitz-TR it'll be interesting to see if there's a time pattern, like every 2 hours. I watch tmux more closely now and generally speaking it seems like an issue we can tackle by day's end. at least gemini works perfectly except the logging/stats [11:53] schestowitz-TR ths afternoon/eve (4pm) I go shopping for food, it'll be my exercise [11:53] schestowitz-TR aim it to haul over 20KG of things, but that's wishful unless you count [11:53] schestowitz-TR liquids [11:53] schestowitz-TR I am doing a quick blog post about COVID right now [11:55] Techrights-sec A frined here has fallen for a lot of disinformation via Facebook. [11:55] Techrights-sec It is troublesome how many are in denial about social contol media's real [11:55] Techrights-sec nature despite the fact they see the filtering and sorting of messages [11:55] Techrights-sec according to algorthms and not according to time sent. 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Yes, systemd can act funny but at the end it does restart. [15:08] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:09] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@r8dui6smnhchc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:11] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) [15:13] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@4ib67bpjevnsu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:20] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:21] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [15:28] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:29] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:38] Techrights-sec I've lost track, which script creates /home/gemini/gemini/chat/index.gmi [15:38] Techrights-sec it's not located in ~gemin/bin/ and the file is fetch from TR [15:38] schestowitz-TR2 it is part of the watcher, which also generated the latest logs (number of requests per day). [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 right now it gets nothing from the daily log file, but that's faaaar from criticial [15:50] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:51] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:51] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:52] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [15:52] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [15:54] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [15:54] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:54] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:54] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 back in about an hour [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 going to hunt for food on the cheap [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 my main pc is transcoding a 50-min video [15:55] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@joseon-vul6sg.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 21 [16:21] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:22] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [16:27] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:51] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:51] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:52] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Jan 21 [17:16] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [17:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 21 [18:06] schestowitz-TR2 siite was down for about 1.5 hours after I had left but it came back online just [18:06] schestowitz-TR2 fine when I got back though I wonder what to do at night, maybe keep a small lapt [18:06] schestowitz-TR2 opm nemar me [18:06] Techrights-sec ack [18:06] Techrights-sec what??? [18:06] Techrights-sec My script here failed to detect the down time. :( More adjustments needed. [18:10] Techrights-sec The logs show that it was active through the last hours. ?? [18:10] schestowitz-TR2 first I saw apachetop and then monsastic email [18:11] Techrights-sec The error log was active the whole time, srtangely. [18:12] Techrights-sec So some aspect of it was hanging until restart at 1755 [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 i am just happy yo be healthy and with lots of new food [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 the site did not lose any data, same for gemini and ipfs, we just lose some uptim [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 e and time [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 been a tough week, better days ahead [18:13] Techrights-sec # httpd -V 2>/dev/null | grep ^Server [18:13] Techrights-sec xxxxx [18:13] Techrights-sec Server compiled with.... [18:17] schestowitz-TR2 ssomeone has just donated 10 pounds to tuxmachines [18:17] Techrights-sec yes [18:17] Techrights-sec congrats [18:17] Techrights-sec maybe patreon and strip accounts would make that easier? [18:17] schestowitz-TR2 it would make me feel indebted an stressed IF that was to happen, rianne thinks [18:18] schestowitz-TR2 she says, unlike larabel and liam dawe, we don't 'owe' anything and that lowers the anxiety/stress [18:18] schestowitz-TR2 but maybe if we quit or lose our job [18:22] schestowitz-TR2 btw, when the site was down I noticed that the script with alaerm for site [18:22] schestowitz-TR2 now available -- the one that shows and updates the stats [18:22] schestowitz-TR2 it tries to make a blink on the colour LEDs [18:22] schestowitz-TR2 but it is looking for a python script that does not exist in the same location [18:22] schestowitz-TR2 as in Debian 10 [18:23] schestowitz-TR2 I did not take note, but it's some python3 something under /usr/bin/ or something [18:23] Techrights-sec ack [18:23] Techrights-sec probably something that was under /usr/local/bin/ on the old microSD card, [18:23] Techrights-sec what name is it looking for ? [18:25] schestowitz-TR2 checking... [18:25] schestowitz-TR2 oh, it goes to gemini-ping-rot.sh [18:25] schestowitz-TR2 in turn, this looks for run-blinky.py without path specified [18:25] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:25] schestowitz-TR2 PATH above does not cover it [18:27] Techrights-sec run-blinkt.py is on the Gemini rpi [18:27] Techrights-sec but not yet restored to /usr/local/bin/ [18:27] Techrights-sec checking [18:27] Techrights-sec That /should/ work with run-blinkt.py in ~gemini/bin/ but /usr/local/bin/ would [18:27] Techrights-sec be good too [18:27] Techrights-sec testing ... [18:27] Techrights-sec group permissin problem gemini needs to be in the gpio group IIRC [18:27] Techrights-sec gpasswd -a gemini gpio [18:27] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@d3u7abs8yy2fu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:28] schestowitz /home/gemini/bin $ sudo gpasswd -a gemini gpio [18:28] schestowitz Adding user gemini to group gpio [18:29] schestowitz timeout 9 run-blinkt.py flashed_bar 250 128 128 0.0001 [18:29] schestowitz timeout: failed to run command run-blinkt.py: No such file or directory [18:29] Techrights-sec ok then log out from gemini account and back in for th changes to take effect [18:30] Techrights-sec seems to work from within the gemini account, did you see LEDs? [18:31] schestowitz-TR2 yes, I saw LEDs on [18:31] schestowitz-TR2 but when I run it localoly I ge..... oh, wait [18:31] schestowitz-TR2 I know why [18:32] schestowitz-TR2 my bad [18:32] schestowitz-TR2 I run the command directly without PATH [18:32] schestowitz-TR2 so this is solved [18:32] Techrights-sec ack [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 iranne just finished work and is watching all the items I bought individually [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 she will bring tuxmachines up to date, I need to work on Andy's series [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 I will watch apachetop etc. just to ensure uptime [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 s// watching/washing/ [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 too many people in large stores like aldi, so I go to small local ones inastead [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 people are either careful or totally creless [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 some business we used to walk past have shut down permanently [18:36] schestowitz-TR2 not a pretty site when they start breaking walls, wires hanging etc. [18:36] Techrights-sec excellent; I will watch but the parts I was paying attention to were not [18:36] Techrights-sec acting up, the error log seemed ot run fine [18:36] Techrights-sec yes businesses have been shutting down left and right but that is not new here [18:36] Techrights-sec with the pandemic but a problem for over a decade [18:58] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:59] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@472igxb9hwwik.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 21 [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 those issues have equivalents in the digital realms and tie into the [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 Neo-Luddite misframing that Andy speaks of [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 as local stores suffer much of the same fate we have in "digital" [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 but those are not directly tech-riughts issues [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 (fridge and freezxer turned from empty to "too full" :-) back with coffee now [19:27] Techrights-sec Rights in general are on the rocks. They are weakened or not enforced in [19:27] Techrights-sec the digital realm and then that carries back to the real world. [19:27] Techrights-sec Apparently it is hard to buy kitchen appliances that are *not* connecting to [19:27] Techrights-sec the Internet via wifi. [19:28] schestowitz-TR2 I know little about these [19:28] schestowitz-TR2 we bought a second small oven [19:29] schestowitz-TR2 after the main one became not reliable in two strange ways [19:29] schestowitz-TR2 it's all analogue and mechanical [19:29] schestowitz-TR2 so I have little understanding of 'ssmrt" kitchen [19:29] schestowitz-TR2 and therefore cannot write meaningful things on the mmatter [19:30] Techrights-sec Was it the oven or the house wiring which is unreliable? [19:30] Techrights-sec Last time we bought a kitchen appliance, a few years ago, many inflicted wifi [19:30] Techrights-sec on you. It was hard to find a model without it. From conversations, it seems [19:30] Techrights-sec that it have become even more difficult to find a secure household appliance. [19:30] Techrights-sec Secure, as in no network, not even bluetooth networking. [19:30] schestowitz-TR2 I never saw one [19:30] schestowitz-TR2 as I said, I'm not "into" those things [19:30] schestowitz-TR2 the "old" oven might be OK [19:30] schestowitz-TR2 but the outages are too risky [19:30] schestowitz-TR2 it's still there, still working in principle [19:30] schestowitz-TR2 but the smaller one is neater [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 as for alternatives to "spy" kutchen [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 we can raise demand, collectively as a society, for dumb ones [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 then, the market will exist and even thrive [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 we might need to choose the right word [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 "spy" kitchen is catchy [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 I'm sure others said it before [19:35] Techrights-sec Or being more paranoid, they exist to provide a foothold inside the WLAN from [19:35] Techrights-sec which to "move laterally" into the other devices. [19:35] Techrights-sec home appliances might be another series. However I know nothing about the details [19:35] Techrights-sec of the current market. [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 mind you, series like the one about cars is very handy [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 like the windows-in-hospital thing [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 I used these repeatedly as a landing point [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 it would be good if we had one for "smart" applicnace, but the only "smart" thing [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 s I have are general-purposes PCs [19:37] Techrights-sec yes, I've noticed the silence. It is worrisome. [19:37] schestowitz-TR2 don't want to be sound like opportunistic basher [19:37] schestowitz-TR2 but notice how rms at gnu.org andf fsf barely say a thing about it [19:37] schestowitz-TR2 afaik, evewn libreplanet does not have talks on these issues [19:37] schestowitz-TR2 but... one gnu project talks about the issue wiuth smart meters [19:37] schestowitz-TR2 and attempts to make free software alternative/s to them [19:39] schestowitz-TR2 unpopular opinion: i think a 'free' alternative to smart meters [19:39] schestowitz-TR2 is the wrong thing [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 like RMS said about making otheer facebooks [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 because those meters don't serve much of a purpose [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 no more than "self-checkout" at stores [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 today I rejected all these machines [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 also, the man from the energy company came to check the meters [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 turns o out even when you give them readings yourleslf [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 they still send out these ppeople to check you don't cheat [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 so wtf??? [19:40] schestowitz-TR2 we pay like 50 pounds extrta per year to not deal with this garbage [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 you might say, but this man who knocked oin the door this afternoon is covid vect [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 or [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 first of all, we protect his job [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 he's about 60 [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 second, I keep huige distance from him while guiding him where t find the meter [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 than we wash the floor, which we planned to do regardless [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 this only happens a few times per year [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 and I don't need to learn web sites and usernames and passwords [19:42] schestowitz-TR2 and "apps" [19:43] Techrights-sec At this point the markets are not growing into new areas, they are consolidating [19:43] Techrights-sec and thus creating FOSS alternatives or even pushing established FOSS originals [19:43] Techrights-sec is insufficient. It is needed now to get the corporate executives to see [19:43] Techrights-sec the monetary and ethical and other value of Freedom. Even with "smart" meters. [19:43] Techrights-sec so often? [19:43] Techrights-sec How much do the apps track non-meter related activities? [19:45] Techrights-sec I expect that they track as much as they can get away with tracking. [19:45] Techrights-sec The can do that already now because there is no pushback. See above comments [19:45] Techrights-sec about erosion of exercised rights online. 99.999% of people probably don't [19:45] Techrights-sec even know that the app is tied to a service and that the service and data are [19:45] Techrights-sec not on the phone. [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 i would rephrase that question [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 how much WILL they track [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 because, as usual, all those things are like Trojan horse [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 they want the foot in your door first [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 and there is no path for 'downgrade' [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 ok, maybe we need to write about these issues throughout the year [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 I am taking notes [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 but the point is, at first they said they needed readings [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 now they say they 'optimise' the usage [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 that means, they track your movements around the home [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 next they can add microphones to the meters [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 and other sensors [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 to basically profile your in-home behaviour [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 this isn't a theory anymore [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 and the data partners are likely the reasons or enablers of the "discounts" [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 same in stores with "loyalty" cars that let them sell a list of puirchases items [19:48] schestowitz-TR2 e.g. insurance companyy checking what yiu eat [19:49] Techrights-sec Heck most people I have asked don't know and won't accept that WhatsApp is not [19:49] Techrights-sec on their phone and that the data is kept in data centers outside the country. [19:49] Techrights-sec Data == their photos and other communications. [19:49] Techrights-sec The microphones can be smaller than a sesame seed these days so they are cheap [19:49] Techrights-sec to add. However although cheap to add, it would still cost something and [19:49] Techrights-sec the suits are adverse to spending anything. The bigger risk is tying the [19:49] Techrights-sec devices to fancier microphones like Siri, Alexa, Echo, Google, etc. [19:50] Techrights-sec those exist already, like smaoke alarms with "alexa" [19:50] schestowitz-TR2 those exist already, like smaoke alarms with "alexa" [19:50] SomeH4x0r really weird. IM by design can't be on one's device [19:50] SomeH4x0r or any other form of communication [19:50] SomeH4x0r it is transmitted over some channel [19:51] SomeH4x0r unless they talk to themselves [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 it does not need to be centralised [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 you can do peer to peer [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 with encryption, too [19:51] SomeH4x0r I think WhatsApp stores cached messages [19:52] Techrights-sec https://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-designed-a-smart-toilet-with-butt-recognition-technology-2020-4 [19:52] Techrights-sec https://mashable.com/article/smart-toilet-analprint-scan [19:52] Techrights-sec Yep and doorbells tied to them as well as too the various police departments. [19:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | This Smart Toilet Can Read Your Anus Like a Fingerprint [19:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mashable.com | This toilet recognizes your butthole and uploads photos to the cloud [19:52] SomeH4x0r so it is *both* on the big server, and a "cached" (as in not reliable) copy on the device [19:52] SomeH4x0r I have no experience with WhatsApp, but here many people use another program, and it allows editing or removing such messages [19:53] schestowitz-TR2 SomeH4x0r: iirc, you are in home of whatapp [19:53] schestowitz-TR2 its founder [19:53] schestowitz-TR2 whatever it USED to do [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 you cannot trust "meta" to maintain [19:54] SomeH4x0r yes [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 what's more, they already put back doors in whatsapp "encryption [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 and thenm falsely marketed it [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 same with telegram [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 this is typical [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 when microsoft bought skype it changed the topology [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 so everything must go via Microsoft [19:54] SomeH4x0r I seen many things to be getting worse over time, but the bigger they are, the eviler they are [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 yes [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 you are right in your pessimism [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 but too much pessimism can hurt activism too [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 we need to go after the bigger issues [19:56] schestowitz-TR2 and not expect TOO much [19:56] SomeH4x0r yes, I'm not sure if there is anything left to do, or I'd better to kill myself in order not to suffer from all this shit each day [19:56] SomeH4x0r every person *might* be hostile [19:56] schestowitz-TR2 your parents are at least sober [19:56] schestowitz-TR2 there's worse than this [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 some people survive heroin parents, incest etc. [19:57] Techrights-sec ack [19:57] Techrights-sec ack [19:57] SomeH4x0r but these parents are getting brainwashed by "modern" tech over time [19:57] SomeH4x0r my parents, I mean [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 that's part of the monster [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 it's not the parents [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 but what's brainwashing them [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 so go after the monster [19:58] schestowitz-TR2 slay it [19:58] SomeH4x0r if I murder someone whom I hate, I'm going to get imprisoned and then die in prison [19:58] schestowitz-TR2 I have managed to convince my dad to NOT bother with a lot of "modern" so-called 'tech' [19:59] schestowitz-TR2 but maybe because I have lots of time with him, almost as much as "mainstream" ● Jan 21 [20:00] SomeH4x0r they use social media to earn money, and for entertainment too [20:00] SomeH4x0r *social control media [20:03] SomeH4x0r they want me to study programming after I finish school. I don't even completely understand what is programming. [20:03] SomeH4x0r as I said on #techrights, I tried to learn it, but then I got lost in what to do [20:05] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [20:05] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@zd9ersed554wu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:07] Techrights-sec The appliance stores' web sites don't make mention of connectivity but [20:07] Techrights-sec in various reviews you can pick up circumstantial evidencs such as "manage [20:07] Techrights-sec your laundry machine via your smartphone". [20:07] Techrights-sec https://www.mieleusa.com/e/miele-mobile-app-zpv000000000000000020007384500-f [20:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mieleusa.com | Miele mobile app | Miele [20:07] Techrights-sec https://apps.apple.com/us/app/miele-app-smart-home/id930406907 [20:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apps.apple.com | Miele app Smart Home on the AppStore [20:09] Techrights-sec https://www.aeg.co.uk/support/support-articles/laundry/washing-machines/washing-m [20:09] Techrights-sec achine-and-tumble-dryer-wifi-help/ [20:09] Techrights-sec https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/my-aeg-care/id1087824977 [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 lol [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 i can't wait [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 that will improve my life sooooooooo much [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 what next? [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 a toilet that tells you when the water refilled up? [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 and sends you a notification? [20:10] schestowitz-TR2 "something happened something happened" (Windows) [20:10] SomeH4x0r I feel like society is FUBAR and it can only be destroyed at best [20:10] SomeH4x0r but it is not my fault [20:11] schestowitz-TR2 https://www.aeg.co.uk/support/support-articles/laundry/washing-machines/washing-machine-and-tumble-dryer-wifi-help/ [20:11] *TechrightsBN has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:11] SomeH4x0r I mean, I doubt I would be able to do anything to it [20:12] SomeH4x0r I convinced a person to install GNU/Linux on their device, only to understand later than it has been under attack for years already. Like systemd or whatever. [20:12] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:12] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 [20:13] schestowitz-TR2 SomeH4x0r: even with systemd it's a lot better than Windows [20:13] SomeH4x0r and in the end, the most used program on the device is a web browser [20:13] Techrights-sec https://www.geappliances.com/ge/connected-appliances/washer-dryer-laundry.htm [20:13] Techrights-sec https://apps.apple.com/us/app/comfort-ge-appliances/id1089857433 [20:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.geappliances.com | GE Smart Washers and Dryers | GE Appliances [20:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apps.apple.com | Comfort - GE Appliances on the AppStore [20:14] SomeH4x0r and so I realized there is no real escape, and I have to suffer until I die [20:14] schestowitz-TR2 SomeH4x0r: no, there are many life you [20:14] schestowitz-TR2 but isolated [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 *lkike you [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 *like you [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 social control media exacerbates this [20:15] SomeH4x0r worsened by certain events which made me distrust many people, like "BLM" (was kicked out certain places and called to be "racist") or COVID-19 stuff where many say I'm retarded or even a threat for others because I don't want to get the "vaccine" [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 as does the marketing 'industry' [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 making such people feel rejected, inadequate, and linely [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 *lonely [20:15] schestowitz-TR2 until they buy what they're commanded [20:15] SomeH4x0r I only use IRC. Seems to be the same. [20:16] SomeH4x0r the same brainwashed people [20:16] SomeH4x0r I should socialize less [20:16] schestowitz-TR2 depends where in IRC [20:16] schestowitz-TR2 it's a protocl [20:16] schestowitz-TR2 not a network [20:16] schestowitz-TR2 and not a channel [20:17] Techrights-sec https://offthebroiler.com/bluetooth-coffee-maker/ [20:17] Techrights-sec https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3489045 [20:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-offthebroiler.com | The Best Bluetooth Coffee Maker of 2022 - Top Rated & Reviewed [20:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-queue.acm.org | The Software Industry IS STILL the Problem - ACM Queue [20:17] SomeH4x0r some random networks around the Internet [20:17] schestowitz-TR2 i have an appo for my coffee machine [20:17] schestowitz-TR2 it's a button [20:17] schestowitz-TR2 I press it [20:17] schestowitz-TR2 and it starts brewing [20:17] schestowitz-TR2 press again to stop [20:19] SomeH4x0r HTCPCP or whatever it was called? [20:19] Techrights-sec these firware add-ons are transparent means to add marked up costs and to [20:19] Techrights-sec accelerate technological obsolesence. The software will "wear out" and become [20:19] Techrights-sec a major liability before even the flimsiest physical component fails. [20:19] Techrights-sec ^obsolescen [20:20] schestowitz-TR2 good point, did not think of it at first [20:20] schestowitz-TR2 some appliances can otherwise last long [20:20] schestowitz-TR2 my mom's microowave we have had since I was like 10 [20:20] SomeH4x0r and how old are you now? [20:27] schestowitz-TR2 just turned 40 [20:27] Techrights-sec The bluetooth chips are probably a few cents the microcontroller a few tens [20:27] Techrights-sec of cents and then the markup up to several orders of magnitude larger. [20:27] Techrights-sec The marginal cost for reproducing the software is zero, after the intial [20:27] Techrights-sec design. So you can figure the odds of them spending even a cent on patching [20:27] Techrights-sec or upgrades once the unit is sold from the factory to the distributors. [20:27] Techrights-sec I hope the frequencies have not drifted beyond what is blocked by the screen. [20:27] Techrights-sec https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/tungstenlight-bulb-scandal-1908/ [20:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com | The Tungsten Light Bulb Scandal of 1908 - New England Historical Society [20:27] Techrights-sec http://economicstudents.com/2012/09/planned-obsolescence-the-light-bulb-conspirac [20:27] Techrights-sec y/ [20:27] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel [20:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-economicstudents.com | Planned Obsolescence: The Light Bulb Conspiracy - Economics Student Society of Australia (ESSA) [20:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Phoebus cartel - Wikipedia [20:41] Techrights-sec https://academic.oup.com/ojls/article/41/3/719/6130120 [20:41] Techrights-sec http://www.ejolt.org/2014/10/designed-to-fail/ [20:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-academic.oup.com | Planned Obsolescence in the Context of a Holistic Legal Sphere and the Circular Economy | Oxford Journal of Legal Studies | Oxford Academic [20:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ejolt.org | Designed to fail [20:42] schestowitz-TR2 i will think of ways to keep up with site issues while asleep, no issue for ~3 hours now [20:47] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:47] *psydroid4 has quit (connection closed) [20:47] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:47] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:47] *Seaduck- has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:47] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:48] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:48] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [20:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:48] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:48] *asusbox (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:48] *activelow (~activelow@dmw5b4ab5hxvs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:48] *schestowitz (~roy@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:48] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [20:48] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:49] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:49] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:49] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:49] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:50] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 21 [21:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@geufhbnmd9gbq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 21 [22:10] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:16] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting) [22:21] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@e38kzwsbvddm6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:29] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:29] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:32] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:32] *qa2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:33] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:35] *qa2 (~sid145515@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell