IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 21, 2022

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Hi Roy – As a special offer to TechRights, I can give a sneak preview of Dell’s new lineup of Linux-based Precision workstations for developers." http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/

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<techrights-news> Dell laptops don't get much media coverage because they're good; that's just Dell throwing its "PR muscle" around... http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/ "Corrupt Media" as I call it...

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Dell basically prepared (with embargo) about a dozen "news" sites to do puff pieces about "Ubuntu" laptop... all at the same time

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13 years ago: Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? https://techrights.org/2009/02/14/dell-boots-linux-tax/ more in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Dell

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Many scripted Dell 'articles' after embargo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34399

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines

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The biggest thing that Dell could do to promote its Linux hardware would be

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to make it feasible to find on their web site and especially in their web

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shop. Yes, I know that theoretically Dell offers hardware with GNU/Linux

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pre-installed. No, I have never been able to find how and where to buy one.

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It's easier to import competing brands than it is to fight with the domestic

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web shops which insist on completely hiding/blocking sales.

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if you are going to get preloaded, support the likes of slimbook, imho

Jul 21 09:09

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they are modest and not just posting as "loves Linux"

Jul 21 09:09

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*posing

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Slimbook is ok, with a big bonus that it is in the EU, but System76 has been

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far better and will, supposedly, soon open a shop in the EU.

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However, until Dell actually shows GNU/Linux systems in their web shops, there

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is not much point in bringing them up.

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having more than one laptop is an OK invetsment if they do not cost a lot in power and you are on the computer most of the day

Jul 21 09:17

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people who buy multiple cars, which they cannot feasibly use at the same time, maintain some habit up to x100 more

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experience and they're also very time-consumign to service (cleaning, repairs, constant paperwork of all sorts)

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Yes, having more than one is good, the old one can function as a backup or

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reserve unit.

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It does not have to stay plugged in, and not even that up to date, just

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in a state in which it can easily be updated and accept data from the backup

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drives

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However, with even Broadcom conspiring with Intel and AMD to put DRM into

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the CPU itself, there is a question about how many hardware generations

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general-purpose computing can survive.

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s/many/many more/

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It goes without saying that the conspiration between Broadcom, AMD, and Intel

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centers around M$

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It would be interesting to know what JCK and Russia do in that regard

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afaik, they're not (yet) keen on such a direction

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and I assume OEMs in Japan, China, Korea (and Taiwan) will gain in the coming years

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atm, they chase Microsoft's tail, e.g. Lenovo

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but that can change

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not just Chromebooks

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JCK?

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Russia has attempted to ditch Windows several times already. I stopped following their attempts about 10 years ago when it became apparent that there was

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a lot of bribery from M$ which went unprosecuted and that the opportunity was

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taken then to fire as many skilled IT people as possible so as to leave

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only the microsofters

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China tried making some hardware based on MIPS iirc Loongson but that seemed to

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go nowhere. I presume corruption and, especially bribery, is endemic still

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in the IT sector and prevents any moves towards independence or sovereignty.

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SJVN disagrees

Jul 21 09:24

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stop kicking puppies

Jul 21 09:24

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Microsoft is not evil anymore

Jul 21 09:24

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Did you see the recent article and SN discussion about DARPA aiming for

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control over the kernel?

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he's bleated that talking point so many times he probably has not even a

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smidgen of his soul left

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I've mentioned this DARPA article many times in TR, TM, and IRC

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I call it adding DoD to CoC

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in addition to having no political views (or views on biology) you're meant

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to also be cool with military

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see what Prenning published in his blog 24 hours ago

https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/07/enrico-zini-on-dam-and-responsability/

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Jul 21 09:32

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.preining.info | Enrico Zini on DAM and "responsability" | There and back again

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this is one of several elements that hobble Debian

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but those elements are partly connected

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Gulag will give you money, but there are some conditions

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BTW, Debian had some good news re migration at Gulag

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I think this is a complex challenge

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and we need to find proper ways to communicate the intricacies

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as FSF took Gulag money too, many times...

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and so it cannot speak about it without being dubbed "hypocrite"

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FSFE even more so

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LF is in a more adevances stage

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where even bribes from Microsoft are seen as required, desirable

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Debian takes Miccreosofr bribes only via DebConf so far (SPI)

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it stopped for a year or two

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now back on the wagon

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so far, but even that's way too much. I'm equally concerned about the damage

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to the governance which allowed M$ to get even a toehold in DebConf.

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Zemlin, on the other hand, seems out to destroy the brand

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zemlin is not seop guru

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in the white house ;-)

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I'm sure he can explain everything to them

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with his hands and stuff

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*now secOp

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"jim, you should try taking one of those introductory LF exams"

Jul 21 09:39

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Jim: "no, I'm fine, thanks..."

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dogfooding should be a hard requirement not just for all the executives but

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each and every employee there

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wtf?

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that would be like kicking a dog

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I'd even go further and give consideration for reqiring it as a prereqisite

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for running for a seat on the board

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here is te thing

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a) we at lf are no longer about linux ->

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b) we in LF sell seats, as that makes us more money ->

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c) we at LF welcome even Linux-hostile people

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you cannot jump straight to c

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wubba lubba dub dub

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Quality over quantity.

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SSAAS -> selling seats as a service

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they;ve been at c) for years now, thanks to zemlin and his enablers

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now they are at

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d) dismantle the reputation of the brand

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afaik, they are not even running for the board

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it's an opaque process

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never saw evidence of voting there

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see my annotated irs filing screenshots

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they just sell the seats

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maybe for now it is capped at 2 seats per company

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but by enlarging the boad over time they can "raise" more money

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the community did not react at all when their seats were eliminate

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awareness around these issues certainly grew

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and that's what matters

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as that's all that we can do, for now...

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There was awareness, there is just apathy. People cannot look even one step

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ahead. Take the recent Brodie Robertson video as an example there. Either

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he sold out or he's being intentionally naive about what's going on with

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control of the CPUs. He's probably young enough to have missed the warnings

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about restricted boot but has otherwise seemed smart enough to be able to

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see where things are heading.

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usually I do not watch his videos, I link to them, then cherry-pick later if I shave etc.

Jul 21 09:54

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he makes many basic errors, which I attribute to him being (fafaik) early 20s

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so he was born around the time Win2000 was out

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It's bizarre that people are hardcoded to be able to calculate the trajectories

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of physical objects taking direction of movement and several vectors of

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acceleration into account. Yet when it comes to far less complex tracking

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of events, they come up zero again and again.

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THe last one was not worth watching. It's a waste of time and calls into

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question his motives, I would say.

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his last one, IIRC< was about "store"

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I did not watch, I linked though

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I can try to find his email (if he uses that... probably some gmail crap)

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and have a chat with him

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he reads TR sometimes

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he might even come to IRC... if he knows how that works ;-) (he does

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he did some videos on freenode IIRC)

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his last video that I watched was about arch, IIRC

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he kept going in circles saying the same thing over and over again in diufferent ways

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which is odd given how heavily edited it was

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like you can see the hair getting all combed up all of a suddent

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due to poor transitions

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which is so hilarious

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so he had it prepared

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but was unable to progress from one point to the next

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if he wrote an article, it would not be so good

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vloggers don't typically do articles

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Brodie's video description are always littered with lots of typos, through

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they're short

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back

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DT has not covered anything interesting lately

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apropos, dt's video count went down considerably, imho partly due to gulagtube algo and partly because he covers the same things over and over again e.g. xmonad

Jul 21 10:05

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that's a very typical scenario, not jusr for videos

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that's partly why I stopped covering patent issues aside from epo, as that's where exclusives are easy to produce

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and they concer not just patent issues but human rights, tech rights (workplace of tech), labour issues...

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which fascinates probably not just me...

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most places have these issues but not a strong, unionised workforce

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ota

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just getting tea (break from coffee due to heat)

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OTA

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I recorded two ina row

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added first draft just now

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integrates your suggestion to dell

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s/embargo was listed/embargo was lifted/

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I'm not sure /any/ vendors are completely Windows-free, but Slimbook,

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System76, and a few others feature GNU/Linux /almost/ exclusively.

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I didn't want to name any of them

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as it would seem like "endorsement"

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and that's not "my department"

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correct, it's not necesssary to name them explicitly just point out that

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there really are vendors availabe. But the sad fact is that AFAIK they

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all offer an option for Windows, as strange as it may be.

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Oops. It has changed. System76 does not offer Windows at least on a spot check

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of configurations! Kudos! Having even one option for that legacy OS means

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a shitload of licensing and bureacracy as well as extra, unnecessary staff.

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tldr; ignore my comment about the vendors

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in any event, everything perceived to be "endorsemen" can become a liability in the future

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e.g. freenode/Lee

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when you focus on the concepts, not the brand, the concept are immutable

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so no person or brand can "betray"

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FSF endorsed some rather dodgy things over the eyars

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that ended up, e.g., not even delivering to buyers

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true

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the intent was not to name them but to point out (to you, here in the chat) that

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I thought those vendors were not entirely windows-free. But I stand corrected

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at least one is fully free of that legacy OS

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some people online (maybe trolls in /.) speculated HP would buy them

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so suddently you ended up having endorsed a department of some windows shop

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linsode is now akamai

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systemd is microsofters

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red hat is ibm

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pythoin's founder is a shill of proprietary crapware from microsoft

https://nitter.it/enkiv2/status/1550075560818245633#m

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draft

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oh, typo in video title

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will regenerate the gif

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ack

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I only ever see the NoScript snake there where the video links from

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Jul 21 16:07

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-𒀭𒂗𒆠 Psychotronic Tsundoku Infohazard (@enkiv2): "Random link from the archives: "" https://web.archive.org/web/20190710114943/http://techrights.org/2019/06/20/microsoft-bullying/ originally retrieved Wed Jul 10 11:49:43 EDT 2019"|nitter.it

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<techrights-news> Jack Wallen is conflating Microsoft systemd with Linux https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What are masked services in Linux, and how do you manage them? | TechRepublic

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it seems to be widespread campaign centered around the microsofters. they

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are trying to pretend that Lennart is "Linux" and that he has been working

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for the community rather than against it

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atm I am finalising part 2 of the series on microsoft media moles

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I am not sure how to write it in an "interesting" way

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but it will at leastbe precise

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accuracy is the most important anyway

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I've just surveyed the material. This series might be 5 or 6 parts in total. will you be around another 15 mins to see draft?

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re phd, unis are now paret of the "establishment"

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they forced me to write "IP" in my thesis

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don't expect them to blast power

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epo even bribes unis now

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for patent jingosism

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it's like a religion, eu does the same... pages with BS like "IP"

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I think so

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what bullshit, "IP" is not a real term

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unless its in the context of IPv4 or IPv6

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I dissented over it, but when they do oral exams and decide on your status you are playing a weak hand

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same for asking for the original uni's namne to be on the diploma

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anyway, that was ages ago, I've moved on

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working on the draft quicxkl, brb

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almost there..

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draft

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"contracts or consulting," could be a hyperlink to the relevant PXE (PDF)

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"Microsoft whistleblower was burned" perhaps should be named once here too

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or if the whistleblower is to remain unamed in parts I and II, that fact

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should be mentioned briefly

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adding

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searching

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re identities, they will be implied from links

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but would rather not make them visible to search engines

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s/This is how the burner of the whistleblower attempted to defect himself/

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/The person who burned the whistleblower attempted to deflect from himself

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by /

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The nickname there needs to be tied to the real name, too.

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Peter "Microsoft Peter" Whatshisname

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thanks

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the mugshot is less important than having his actual name in the text itself

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There are too many links for people to have time to click on them randomly

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so a minimum level of context (such as the full name) must be provide so that

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I've added two links to that

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people will know which links to follow or not

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I will also add a mugshot now

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again, I recommend ensuring that his full name is mentioned along with the

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nick name

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Oh, it's updated! thanks.

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afk

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ps the paragraph about "My work at Microsoft..." gives more than enough

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personal information to identify him specifically. :(

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afk