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| schestowitz | > TM locked up and was unavailable via SSH and HTTP. I forgot to check | Nov 21 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | > VNC though. It's back up and running now. | Nov 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I restarted the VM after Rianne had spotted the downtime. | Nov 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Nov 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/economics-and-ip-good-bad-and-ugly-and.html?showComment=1574260466532#c2702450763256094634 | Nov 21 03:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 03:35 |
| schestowitz | "stream of unprintable emotive comments from many in the IP and R&D community" | Nov 21 03:35 |
| schestowitz | Someone discovers that software developers deserve freedom of programming? | Nov 21 03:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Economics and IP: the good, the bad and the ugly (and a request for reader feedback)? - The IPKat | Nov 21 03:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/economics-and-ip-good-bad-and-ugly-and.html?showComment=1574263683299#c2866625488888806317 | Nov 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz | While I suspect what you say is true, I've never quite got my head around the causes of the often strident response. | Nov 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz | My non-lawyer understanding of Alice, Mayo and Myriad is that it significantly increased the uncertainty around validity of patents. Are you saying that it's not clear if or why the Supreme Court was addressing innovation? And I presume you're arguing that there is a difference in thinking between the Court and the Government. | Nov 21 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Economics and IP: the good, the bad and the ugly (and a request for reader feedback)? - The IPKat | Nov 21 03:36 | |
| schestowitz | As a matter of interesting, in my (ongoing) review of 200 trade secrets cases, I've so far seen only one (!) reference to innovation - from any actor. | Nov 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/economics-and-ip-good-bad-and-ugly-and.html?showComment=1574265532809#c4019243609142117700 | Nov 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz | "The patent system is based on a lie, there is no science to back it up." | Nov 21 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Economics and IP: the good, the bad and the ugly (and a request for reader feedback)? - The IPKat | Nov 21 03:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/economics-and-ip-good-bad-and-ugly-and.html?showComment=1574267699409#c9167394198618921310 | Nov 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz | "IP law is so complex that no government department or any one economist is going to be able to set out policy based on its analysis. The economists I have met use very basic and simple metrics to box IP into their mode of thinking. They really don't understand the dynamics of how it plays out in specific business situations, and their summaries of it are woefully inadequate. Giving someone an IP right affects the entire ecosystem, | Nov 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz | incentivising, disincentivising, causing collaborative communities to form or leading to increased competitiveness, and even forms of aggression. To change things (to consider policy matters) would need the identifying of all the effects of IP, and then all possible changes you could make, e.g. length of term, ease/certainty of obtaining, ways/strength of enforcing, extent of penalties/punishments, effects on core industries/research | Nov 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz | platforms. I don't know of any economist that has appreciated IP to this extent, and so they are ill-equipped to advise on the issues." | Nov 21 03:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Economics and IP: the good, the bad and the ugly (and a request for reader feedback)? - The IPKat | Nov 21 03:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/economics-and-ip-good-bad-and-ugly-and.html?showComment=1574255330132#c5237409009535823957 | Nov 21 03:43 |
| schestowitz | "Nicola, I believe to really delve into the topic of IP and economics one must confront things which are going to really upset a lot of the IP community, especially in patents. If you tried to objectively ask how the 'commons' needs to be protected from IP rights you would get a stream of unprintable emotive comments from many in the IP and R&D community. Look at the response to the US Supreme Court decisions Alice, Mayo and Myriad where | Nov 21 03:43 |
| schestowitz | no one has really tried to understand how the Supreme Court was trying to prevent monopolisation of the building blocks of innovation. Government certainly has no interest in thinking about protecting the commons." | Nov 21 03:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Economics and IP: the good, the bad and the ugly (and a request for reader feedback)? - The IPKat | Nov 21 03:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/lulex/status/1197361217284780032 | Nov 21 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@lulex: From 2010 Bill Gates Successfully Lobbies Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper Ahead of G8 to Make Countries (Tax… https://t.co/lmNKAeEpIa | Nov 21 04:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@lulex: From 2010 Bill Gates Successfully Lobbies Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper Ahead of G8 to Make Countries (Tax… https://t.co/lmNKAeEpIa | Nov 21 04:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 04:45 |
| schestowitz | More | Nov 21 04:45 |
| schestowitz | From 2010 Bill Gates Successfully Lobbies Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper Ahead of G8 to Make Countries (Taxpayers) Pay for His Initiatives | Nov 21 04:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 04:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197497026017210368 | Nov 21 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Banana standards. SVG is great. https://t.co/cPWsvTGTSw | Nov 21 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Banana standards. SVG is great. https://t.co/cPWsvTGTSw | Nov 21 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197496794516770816 | Nov 21 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Still need to make a tshirt out of it. https://t.co/IieEdXpXji | Nov 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Still need to make a tshirt out of it. https://t.co/IieEdXpXji | Nov 21 12:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197496794516770816 | Nov 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SamwellKing/status/1197496093631795200 | Nov 21 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SamwellKing: @schestowitz 🔥🔥🔥 | Nov 21 12:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/olfashdeb/status/1197491327572828161 | Nov 21 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@olfashdeb: @schestowitz @kayesem https://t.co/sOoJMfnqno | Nov 21 12:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.change.org | Petition · URGENT CALL: Allow Julian Assange to prepare his defence - move him out of Belmarsh NOW! · Change.org | Nov 21 12:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WarOnThoughts/status/1197480991847329793 | Nov 21 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WarOnThoughts: I believe in every god damn thing from this article. https://t.co/mG8dWOKofr | Nov 21 12:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #Neoliberalism Backfires https://t.co/T7pfJPvSjk "neoliberalism’s brand of capitalism getting away with murder in plain sight." | Nov 21 12:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1197447107264700416 | Nov 21 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz Finally the marriage they have been aiming for over 2 decades | Nov 21 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1197446463271292929 | Nov 21 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz In Australia the children whipped up into frenzy by Greens are lighting fires https://t.co/yutBbLKqDd | Nov 21 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@smh: Comment: Arson, mischief and recklessness: 87 per cent of fires are man-made https://t.co/5lZk69lsIC | Nov 21 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/1197434738920706048 | Nov 21 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@We3forDemocracy: 😳😑 https://t.co/R1E8nDGppc | Nov 21 12:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Understanding #ThierryBreton : #AtosHealthcare - “The Ugly Face of Business” https://t.co/o7HHFs1jHB #breton #atos #eu @zoobab @glynmoody | Nov 21 12:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197434356433854466 | Nov 21 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz @glynmoody @echo_pbreyer | Nov 21 12:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1197430487171522560 | Nov 21 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz So wrong, stumbling police in fighting crime | Nov 21 12:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1197428716839636993 | Nov 21 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz Some information pertinent to national security is illegal to access, and illegal to distributed. Thos… https://t.co/2EBYZF0e3i | Nov 21 12:59 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz Some information pertinent to national security is illegal to access, and illegal to distributed. Thos… https://t.co/2EBYZF0e3i | Nov 21 12:59 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Some information pertinent to national security is illegal to access, and illegal to distributed. Those are the laws. | Nov 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Assange wanted to get famous quickly by flaunting that | Nov 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mintiefreshyes/status/1197425350613045248 | Nov 21 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mintiefreshyes: @schestowitz Lies by who? Do you have friends on WhatsApp that mesage e dry second about more evidence of the Fraud… https://t.co/COMxZrWos2 | Nov 21 12:59 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mintiefreshyes: @schestowitz Lies by who? Do you have friends on WhatsApp that mesage e dry second about more evidence of the Fraud… https://t.co/COMxZrWos2 | Nov 21 12:59 | |
| schestowitz | "Lies by who? Do you have friends on WhatsApp that mesage e dry second about more evidence of the Fraud? Do you have friends that you can truly trust telling you how Morales obligates state employees to cause conflict?" | Nov 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hughbarnard/status/1197397108736835584 | Nov 21 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hughbarnard: Thanks @schestowitz this essay: https://t.co/FWtyLkBZ67 just led me to this: https://t.co/9djbysksUU which looks v. interesting #urbanism | Nov 21 13:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.counterpunch.org | Baby Shark Coup - CounterPunch.org | Nov 21 13:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | City of Quartz - Wikipedia | Nov 21 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Nov 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz | Nov 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | this essay: https://counterpunch.org/2019/11/19/baby-shark-coup/… just led me to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Quartz… which looks v. interesting #urbanism | Nov 21 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/19/baby-shark-coup/… ) | Nov 21 13:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Quartz… ) | Nov 21 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TallElfin/status/1197321816953491458 | Nov 21 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TallElfin: @schestowitz Fuuuuuuuu...ck. I'm in Indy. This bad photo of a building far away. Used to be the TelCo Bldg (beat t… https://t.co/BwkmmxraZ1 | Nov 21 13:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TallElfin: @schestowitz Fuuuuuuuu...ck. I'm in Indy. This bad photo of a building far away. Used to be the TelCo Bldg (beat t… https://t.co/BwkmmxraZ1 | Nov 21 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Fuuuuuuuu...ck. | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm in Indy. | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | This bad photo of a building far away. Used to be the TelCo Bldg (beat the old INB for height). It's a Carrier Nexus. | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Salesforce owns it now. | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Goddammit. | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sarcasm_rocks/status/1197298174584475648 | Nov 21 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sarcasm_rocks: @schestowitz @wikileaks @CIA As if he could ever return to Australia and be safe. Australia lives constantly bent o… https://t.co/wIANQbaCIp | Nov 21 13:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sarcasm_rocks: @schestowitz @wikileaks @CIA As if he could ever return to Australia and be safe. Australia lives constantly bent o… https://t.co/wIANQbaCIp | Nov 21 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | "As if he could ever return to Australia and be safe. Australia lives constantly bent over hoping to reamed by the shaft of the good ol' USA" | Nov 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197186142522793985 | Nov 21 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz I was wondering on which legal basis of the EPC they could carry out public consultations: https://t.co/9OuKLkvgpI | Nov 21 13:08 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> blog.ffii.org | European Patent Office censors Spanish contributions to its 2023 public consultation | Blog.FFII.org | Nov 21 13:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197181595356139522 | Nov 21 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz SuSE funded FFII in the old days. | Nov 21 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | Pre-Novell | Nov 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197572447891066881 | Nov 21 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents And the other CDU judge should be revoked as well, he opposed a public consultation on the topic. | Nov 21 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/planet_tracker/status/1197553444669870081 | Nov 21 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@planet_tracker: Bolsonaro's comments came two days after data released by the Brazilian government showed that Amazon deforestation… https://t.co/KfwxgbqmfH | Nov 21 18:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@planet_tracker: Bolsonaro's comments came two days after data released by the Brazilian government showed that Amazon deforestation… https://t.co/KfwxgbqmfH | Nov 21 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | "Bolsonaro's comments came two days after data released by the Brazilian government showed that Amazon deforestation hit its highest level in over a decade. INPE said deforestation wiped out 3,769 square miles over the 12-month period ending July 30, 2019" | Nov 21 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MellowOchre/status/1197548643764592653 | Nov 21 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MellowOchre: @schestowitz This is a really crisp cross eye free viewable autostereogram which adepts can see in 3-D! | Nov 21 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/doombadroid/status/1197546079983505408 | Nov 21 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@doombadroid: @schestowitz NO COMMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | Nov 21 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WHEELZWHEELER/status/1197538051834204161 | Nov 21 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WHEELZWHEELER: A product I use, this is worrying to say the least ... https://t.co/RKFWwdcYhG | Nov 21 18:18 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #privacy #amazon ☞ How Does Amazon Ring Protect User Privacy? "Basically, They Don't," Senator's Investiga… https://t.co/uKMuBla6Ra | Nov 21 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aaronwood/status/1197526369657409536 | Nov 21 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@aaronwood: @MaxW_88 @schestowitz And when you see what is happening with designs in UK and EU... well that should be a warning. | Nov 21 18:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MaxW_88/status/1197524191848869889 | Nov 21 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MaxW_88: @schestowitz Of course. That's why the article references the fact that it can result in low quality patents (as ca… https://t.co/mPF1WQhL9B | Nov 21 18:20 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MaxW_88: @schestowitz Of course. That's why the article references the fact that it can result in low quality patents (as ca… https://t.co/mPF1WQhL9B | Nov 21 18:20 | |
| schestowitz | "Of course. That's why the article references the fact that it can result in low quality patents (as can quick prosecution/ambitious examination targets)." | Nov 21 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Alarming too see the system moving in the direction of allowance by default just to make money money (fees) | Nov 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Alarming too see the system moving in the direction of allowance by default just to make more money (fees) | Nov 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1197519904703995904 | Nov 21 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz I guess I hit that one every day. And in different aspects of life. | Nov 21 18:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarkKen20510303/status/1197504875954933760 | Nov 21 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MarkKen20510303: @schestowitz Interfaces don’t take complexity away, they merely abstract it. | Nov 21 18:24 | |
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