●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, January 22, 2023 ●● ● Jan 22 [00:24] schestowitz-TR 30% Increase in UK Deaths, Including Young People https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/22/scandal-of-excess-deaths/ [00:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 30% Increase in UK Deaths, Including Young People ● Jan 22 [06:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:44] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:44] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@fpfsqjchsbkme.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 22 [07:19] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [07:19] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [07:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@fpfsqjchsbkme.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [07:55] schestowitz[TR] troll having a stab at it again today; can't stop me, just slow me down a little. Now I have far more time not just for TR but also to properly research the stuff (very in-depth, raw evidence included) [07:56] schestowitz[TR] I found some interesting stuff about ISO [07:56] schestowitz[TR] but need to properly present it for more impact//salarity [07:56] schestowitz[TR] *clarity ● Jan 22 [08:01] schestowitz-TR apropos iso, the existence of this series just serves to show that all that iso red tape is total bs [08:01] schestowitz-TR gdpr aside, people who write things cannot be denied access to things they wrote, it's like drm - a fantasy [08:01] schestowitz-TR fsfe tried to weaponise gdpr against pocock and it just backfired [08:15] techrigthssec Glyn Moody pointed out Benjamin White's article which mentioned article [08:15] techrigthssec 16(3) of the Finnish Constitution and which might be relevant not just [08:15] techrigthssec in regards to copyright but also in regards of ridding the national [08:15] techrigthssec institutions of m$ products, especially its formats. [08:15] techrigthssec (kind of overlaps with DRM there) [08:15] schestowitz-TR I saw that yesterday [08:15] schestowitz-TR thought about pasting in irc too [08:56] techrigthssec The formats aren't just a theoretical threat but have been used time and again [08:56] techrigthssec to exclude competition including competition from older versions of their own [08:56] techrigthssec productivity suite [08:56] techrigthssec It's not a great distance to leap to show the role that DRM plays in hindering [08:56] techrigthssec either open science, arts, etc [08:59] schestowitz-TR anything "open" or Commons is seen as "not privatised YET" [08:59] schestowitz-TR vaccine knowledge [08:59] schestowitz-TR NHS ● Jan 22 [09:00] schestowitz-TR etc etc [09:00] schestowitz-TR they can turn schools to into BUSINESSES [09:00] schestowitz-TR and then hail the "successful business people" [09:00] schestowitz-TR composers, conductors, actual musicians ---> sony [09:00] schestowitz-TR i do not mind paying for water treatment, energy generation, even internet [09:00] schestowitz-TR (british net infra is relativelt robust) [09:00] schestowitz-TR those do take actual work, plus maintenance [09:00] schestowitz-TR we listen to karen carpenter atm [09:00] schestowitz-TR if we bought her albums, WHO would get paid? [09:00] schestowitz-TR she died so long ago [09:02] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:03] techrigthssec [09:03] techrigthssec s/can turn/did already turn/ [09:17] techrigthssec Look at the mystery of the lost money from the late Marc Bolan and T Rex [09:17] techrigthssec His son spend *many* years trying to find out where any of it went [09:18] techrigthssec hmm. can't find an authoritative / relevant link atm [09:18] techrigthssec There were a few investigative articles about it [09:35] schestowitz-TR seems like a motif/theme [09:35] schestowitz-TR when the car carries one person, out of sight of many [09:35] schestowitz-TR in malta and libya even car bombs [09:35] schestowitz-TR one by mafia, the latter british spies [09:35] schestowitz-TR hastings is another [09:35] schestowitz-TR it'll get worse and harder to detect/investigate as cars get "smarter" [09:38] techrigthssec Much easier with the networked cars filled with proprietary software [09:39] schestowitz-TR it can be remotely tampered before AND AFTER [09:39] schestowitz-TR first for stealth [09:39] schestowitz-TR later for coverup [09:39] schestowitz-TR history -c [09:39] schestowitz-TR rm -rf /tmp /var/log/* [09:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 22 [10:15] schestowitz-TR the term lost its meaning [10:15] schestowitz-TR it used to mean something more precise [10:15] schestowitz-TR now it's a junk term like "smart" [10:17] techrigthssec There must be an accurate term for automated programming done by statistical [10:17] techrigthssec analysis of obscene quantities of data and permutations. [10:17] techrigthssec Yes, the point a bout brute force needs to be highlighted in nearly all [10:17] techrigthssec examples. [10:17] schestowitz-TR it's a bunch of things [10:17] schestowitz-TR nlp [10:17] schestowitz-TR statistics [10:17] schestowitz-TR or the two combined [10:17] schestowitz-TR for image there is fusion [10:17] schestowitz-TR but that's not always ML [10:17] schestowitz-TR and lots of it is crap [10:17] schestowitz-TR compensated for by crute force [10:17] schestowitz-TR like plagiarising billions of texts [10:17] schestowitz-TR then saying bing will do HEY HI [10:17] schestowitz-TR while FIRING the bing staff [10:18] schestowitz-TR for now I've quit checking the rumour mill [10:18] schestowitz-TR hard to find signal there [10:18] schestowitz-TR gonna open the SN links now, then do daily linkls [10:24] schestowitz-TR gone throughj the urls quikckly, in passing [10:24] schestowitz-TR plagiarism is a very old problems [10:24] schestowitz-TR plagiarism and nlp are very old problems in CS [10:24] schestowitz-TR see SCIGen for instance [10:24] schestowitz-TR slashdot too covered that in its "golden" days [10:24] schestowitz-TR the "sudden" hype disturbs me [10:24] schestowitz-TR biab, gonna focus on links, will avoid multitasking to avoid distraction/slowdown [10:24] schestowitz-TR want to do some backups by monday [10:25] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:25] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@fpfsqjchsbkme.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 22 [11:05] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:15] techrigthssec ack [11:40] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cbcfptirpkfqa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 22 [12:40] schestowitz-TR daily links done, doing rss now [12:40] schestowitz-TR topics welcome [12:40] schestowitz-TR iso will be among the next targets [12:40] schestowitz-TR many parts [12:42] techrigthssec including the MOOX scandal in all the comnpnent ISO committees in each [12:42] techrigthssec member country? [12:43] schestowitz-TR it links to the wiki about ISO [12:49] schestowitz-TR firsthand account of iso as papermill is damaghing enough [12:54] schestowitz-TR good news: intensity of FUD and attacks on Linux lately, or so far this year, down notably [12:54] schestowitz-TR I hope it means budget for things like "sponsoring" SFC has gone down [12:57] techrigthssec Maybe m$ is realizing that it is about out of money and has already cut back [12:57] techrigthssec on the departments dealing with financing shills and astroturfers? [12:58] schestowitz-TR "marketing" explicitly mentioned among the cuts [12:58] schestowitz-TR so I joked it would mean less shills/astroturfing [12:58] schestowitz-TR "media partners" and all that... ● Jan 22 [13:13] techrigthssec Marketing used to be very clearly the largest single line item in m$ budget. [13:13] techrigthssec However, when they got ridiculed for that, it appears that they split up [13:13] techrigthssec the marketing among all the various sections to hide how much larger it has [13:13] techrigthssec grown. M$ "Research" is basically sales / marketing. [13:13] techrigthssec and little to no actual (computer) science [13:14] schestowitz-TR yes, lewis showed the numbers before [13:14] schestowitz-TR concluded marketing with the biggest unit [13:14] schestowitz-TR calling it "marketing" is itself marketing [13:14] schestowitz-TR i.e. misleading [13:14] schestowitz-TR in nigeria, microsoft called bribery to cut off gnu/linux "marketing help" [13:16] techrigthssec Looking at the Old version of Slashdot from 2002. No wonder m$ wanted it dead. [13:16] techrigthssec IIRC it was announced in 2002 or 2003 that the largest line item was marketing. [13:16] techrigthssec The next quarter's SEC filing had that "fixed" as mentioned above. [13:17] schestowitz-TR *cough LF Research(TM) *cough* [13:17] schestowitz-TR marketed by MS Perlow [13:17] schestowitz-TR 'Research' for Snyk ● Jan 22 [14:44] schestowitz-TR So Much Sex On YouTube! Are They Trying To Compete With The Hub? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BPNWzCnIsw0 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/BPNWzCnIsw0 [14:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | So Much Sex On YouTube! Are They Trying To Compete With The Hub? - Invidious ● Jan 22 [15:00] techrigthssec ack [15:00] schestowitz-TR tumblr for videos? [15:39] techrigthssec No idea [15:39] techrigthssec As discussed a long while back YouTube's business model might not be [15:39] techrigthssec economically viable. [15:44] schestowitz-TR ag red? iirc, that was the name, "red". [15:44] schestowitz-TR and iirc, they had other paid-for experiments/options [15:44] schestowitz-TR that's when you knew something was amiss [15:44] schestowitz-TR iirc, shut down due to lack of demand [15:44] schestowitz-TR same as cnn's premium opffering [15:44] schestowitz-TR i never watched netflix anywhere [15:44] schestowitz-TR so not sure how it works (i read about "password-sharing", podesta did that too) [15:44] schestowitz-TR netflix competes against youtube economics [15:44] schestowitz-TR not hd or lesser hd [15:44] schestowitz-TR but if youtube operates at a loss, [15:44] schestowitz-TR then netflix basically competes with "below zero" [15:44] schestowitz-TR they do the "uber modus" [15:44] schestowitz-TR if they charge more or curtail "sharing", people can turn to USB, external disks, iptv etc. [15:44] schestowitz-TR a lot of "modern" "tech" is a bubblew [15:44] schestowitz-TR running on the money or riding the capital of oil, pension funds, and speculation [15:44] schestowitz-TR hence microsoft, despite CLAIMING to be super-profitable, is makign deep cuts [15:44] schestowitz-TR they all play poker and wait for time to fold [15:44] schestowitz-TR now, they realise no winner is imminent and show the doors, don't expect many to ask for payrise in this climate [15:45] schestowitz-TR > remember gulag red? iirc, that was the name, "red". [15:45] schestowitz-TR and iirc, they had other paid-for experiments/options [15:45] schestowitz-TR i meant youtube red, did not loo to check. youtube pays the "Creator" a lot less, they're not happy; 60% revenue [15:45] schestowitz-TR share not goes to the host, not the creator that does like, 90% of the actual work [15:56] techrigthssec Netflix has its own economic problems and it ships around large servers filled [15:56] techrigthssec with fully-loaded hard drives to try to reduce the amount of bandwidth wasted. [15:56] techrigthssec One of the main roles that Netflix and the other streaming services seems to [15:56] techrigthssec fill is as a promoter of TBL's move to a non-open, DRM'd web to replace trhe [15:56] techrigthssec open WWW we had until quite recently. [15:56] techrigthssec Tiktok is information warfare, especially psyops against the west. [15:56] techrigthssec That was made 100% clear by the CBS 60-Minutes segment on it a while back. [15:56] techrigthssec Aside from CBS itself, it got *NO* coverage in the mainstream and almost none [15:56] techrigthssec even on the fringes. [15:57] techrigthssec ByteDance is not just mentally crippling a whole generation in the west, [15:57] techrigthssec it is breaking them off from the continuity of culture and history, rendering [15:57] techrigthssec them incapable of inheriting the reins when they would otherwise have become [15:57] techrigthssec old enough for that to have happened. [15:57] techrigthssec https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tiktok-in-china-versus-the-united-states-60-minutes/ [15:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cbsnews.com | TikTok in China versus the United States | 60 Minutes - CBS News [15:57] techrigthssec """ [15:57] techrigthssec You must connect to your TV Provider to watch this video. [15:57] techrigthssec """ [15:57] techrigthssec In contrast, in Red China, Bytedance limits access by youth in two ways. [15:57] techrigthssec First, instead of maximizing the time spent (I hear of 4, 6 or more hours per [15:57] techrigthssec day) the kids there are limited to no more than 40 minutes per day. Second, [15:57] techrigthssec they are shown science and other educational videos, not how to choke themselves [15:57] techrigthssec to death, knock out their own teeth, or eat dishwasher detergent. [15:57] schestowitz-TR like i said, i'm all ears about tiktok, netflix etc. ZERO hands-on experience. [15:58] schestowitz-TR I tried "gaming" things the other day in house of fraser [15:58] schestowitz-TR helped me keep up with "state of the art", hands on literally [15:58] schestowitz-TR it was mostly underwhelming ● Jan 22 [16:01] techrigthssec If you really are interested in Bytedance/Tiktok, get the above CBS 60-Minutes [16:01] techrigthssec segment and take detailed notes while watching. [16:01] techrigthssec Anyway, those 4 to 6 hours per day wasted in bytedance are not just lost [16:01] techrigthssec they are spend being programmed into who knows what but whatever it is it has [16:01] techrigthssec no continuity with any culture existing on the planet. [16:01] techrigthssec Instead of addressing the national security problem head on, the talking [16:01] techrigthssec heads and pundits blather on and on about "privacy". While privacy is an [16:01] techrigthssec actual problem, it is only a step along the path. Same for the addictiveness [16:01] techrigthssec of these skinner boxes, though that is rarely mentioned. It is the active [16:01] techrigthssec programming done by these adaptive skinner boxes which is as problematic [16:01] techrigthssec as the group controling the programming. [16:02] schestowitz-TR could you make the case trhat this is like us state programming via tv, escept [16:02] schestowitz-TR more hours per day [16:02] schestowitz-TR and alwaysd in the pocket [16:02] schestowitz-TR and more harmful "content" with little quality control [16:02] schestowitz-TR and yet worse, intentionally bad things? [16:05] psydruid I've read that they adapted TikTok/ByteDance to western preferences [16:05] techrigthssec No, while TV certainly is one-way corporate programming, it is not adaptive [16:05] techrigthssec to the individual nor highly addictive. [16:05] techrigthssec https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-726145 [16:05] techrigthssec Though I do suspect that the TV (incl netflix, hulu, etc) intentionlly spread [16:05] techrigthssec harmful attitudes and values by design. The whole "reality tv" trope really [16:05] techrigthssec has modified global society in a bad way: those that excell are not to be [16:05] techrigthssec emulated but ganged up on and torn down by small people [16:05] techrigthssec The "reality tv" provides a template for how they can do that [16:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-726145 ) [16:05] techrigthssec and provides, by being an observed model, encouragement to do so. [16:05] schestowitz-TR psydruid: spinach and opium [16:06] schestowitz-TR they use it as a weapon outside China [16:06] schestowitz-TR like British opium wars [16:06] schestowitz-TR causing the population to be mentally sedated [16:07] techrigthssec Not just sedated but dependent and injured. [16:09] techrigthssec At 4+ hours per day it retards actual social and mental development. [16:09] techrigthssec on purpose. [16:11] schestowitz-TR if DT si correct, we'll see what youtube's promotion of sex will cause [16:11] schestowitz-TR I hadn't heard of this phenomenon before today [16:11] schestowitz-TR i also don't know how pr0nhub works [16:12] schestowitz-TR and whether they can compete with that thing [16:12] schestowitz-TR streaming pr0n was always a very bad idea [16:12] techrigthssec The competition is probably monopoly by now and youtube won't be able to break [16:12] techrigthssec in and the same old storage costs will bite them anyway [16:14] schestowitz-TR i think vimeo, gulagtube etc. are unique in this regad [16:14] schestowitz-TR user-uploaded and shared "catalogues" [16:14] schestowitz-TR unlike netflix [16:14] schestowitz-TR i think pr0nhub is something more like netflix, or a breed in-between [16:14] schestowitz-TR so bandwidth, not storage costs, may cost a lot [16:15] schestowitz-TR plus licensing [16:15] schestowitz-TR psydruid: big match about to start [16:15] schestowitz-TR not watching any of them, just checking the table (points, not goals) [16:15] psydruid yeah [16:15] schestowitz-TR i herad the 3 goals here [16:15] schestowitz-TR i cannot not hear them [16:15] schestowitz-TR every room [16:16] psydruid btw, our two wingers anrsd best playe were sold to Liverpool and Chelsea in recent weeks [16:16] schestowitz-TR i can tell the score just by listening [16:16] psydruid they have insane amounts of money so they can buy anyone they want [16:16] psydruid and* [16:16] psydruid players* [16:16] schestowitz-TR "our"? [16:16] schestowitz-TR NL? [16:16] psydruid PSV Eindhoven [16:17] schestowitz-TR LFC and Chelsea seem knackered [16:17] psydruid the club I've supported since I was a child in the late 80s [16:17] psydruid yes [16:17] psydruid I saw that one yesterday [16:17] psydruid it was horrendous [16:17] schestowitz-TR rianne was loling [16:17] psydruid all that money gone to waste [16:17] psydruid it looked like amateur football [16:17] schestowitz-TR maybe lfc's owner want exit strategy [16:17] schestowitz-TR gave away their best striker [16:18] schestowitz-TR for cheap [16:18] schestowitz-TR 50 mil iirc [16:18] schestowitz-TR fcb paid like 100 for their previous leading striker [16:18] psydruid it looks like clubs in NL and DE are run much more financially responsibly [16:18] schestowitz-TR iirc, lfc was planning the sell the club [16:18] psydruid relying much on youth to break into first teams [16:18] schestowitz-TR a decade ago they pursued famous criminal billy as a buyer [16:19] psydruid and then selling those at profit to clubs with owners who have infinitely sized pockets [16:19] techrigthssec I've not read an analysis of the business model or costs. [16:19] schestowitz-TR psydruid: tax evasion [16:19] schestowitz-TR uk/london [16:19] schestowitz-TR buy a club [16:19] schestowitz-TR lobby [16:19] schestowitz-TR save tax [16:19] schestowitz-TR sportwashing [16:21] psydruid that's what's happening [16:21] psydruid the difference is that it's done at a massive scale [16:21] psydruid compared to what happens in minor leagues like romania [16:23] schestowitz-TR i stopped watching [16:23] schestowitz-TR cold turkey [16:23] schestowitz-TR don't check who scores, either [16:23] schestowitz-TR we have two potent club here [16:23] psydruid I think football is still a great sport to do [16:23] psydruid and to watch as well [16:23] schestowitz-TR building a positive image [16:23] psydruid but I think it's better to support the grassroots [16:23] schestowitz-TR i've not played in tears [16:23] schestowitz-TR since corona [16:24] psydruid I haven't either [16:24] schestowitz-TR i'm a goalie since childhood [16:24] schestowitz-TR it's a shame because I want to play [16:24] schestowitz-TR and I rarely see groups here [16:24] psydruid having had covid three times really makes a difference [16:24] schestowitz-TR not even 5-a-side [16:24] schestowitz-TR probably too busy with their skinnerboxes [16:24] schestowitz-TR in uni we did 5-a-side a lot [16:24] psydruid I played as a goalkeeper for a few years because I was good at it [16:25] schestowitz-TR 3 times, wow [16:25] psydruid but I'm actually a field player [16:25] schestowitz-TR like my mom [16:25] schestowitz-TR she now has medical concerns [16:25] schestowitz-TR phoned me about it 2 hours ago [16:25] psydruid even during my final year as a goalkeeper I played as a second striker a few times [16:25] schestowitz-TR i can do field also [16:25] psydruid so the reserve goalkeeper went into goal [16:25] schestowitz-TR but my dribbling is not god enough [16:25] schestowitz-TR *good [16:25] schestowitz-TR hence, more defence position [16:26] schestowitz-TR or hybrid like ederson [16:26] psydruid you learn it by playing outside [16:26] schestowitz-TR goalies that cannot use the feet well are worthless, esp. in 5 a side\ [16:26] psydruid I think I just did it for fun with schoolmates [16:26] psydruid and when I was 8 the local football club came asking my parents to join [16:26] schestowitz-TR goalie : field + hands [16:26] schestowitz-TR not hands + field [16:27] psydruid yeah [16:27] psydruid now more so than back in the day [16:27] schestowitz-TR yes, "modern goalkeeper" [16:27] psydruid I was called Van der Sar by our captain [16:27] schestowitz-TR the german captain used to take the free kicks [16:27] psydruid because I was actually a field player who went into goal [16:27] schestowitz-TR kahn [16:27] schestowitz-TR and also covered goal [16:28] schestowitz-TR jurgen era [16:28] schestowitz-TR i never stayed only in goal [16:28] schestowitz-TR as that would not let me develop legwork [16:28] schestowitz-TR btw, I still have many dreams about it [16:28] schestowitz-TR usually goal stuff as a teen [16:28] schestowitz-TR it keeps coming back at night [16:28] schestowitz-TR even this past week [16:29] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/sport/ [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Sport [16:29] schestowitz got soem medals [16:29] schestowitz 2nd place [16:29] schestowitz with a truly crap team [16:29] schestowitz they did rely on me, not the other way around [16:30] schestowitz oops, wrong url [16:30] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/sports.htm [16:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | Sports [16:31] schestowitz-TR kickoff [16:32] psydruid oh right [16:39] schestowitz-TR don't know if there are goals [16:39] schestowitz-TR old trafford is way too far [16:40] schestowitz-TR 2+ miles away, i think [16:44] schestowitz-TR Setting a new focus for my blog https://drewdevault.com/2023/01/22/2023-01-22-A-new-focus.html Source: Drew DeVault | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//drewdevault.com/2023/01/22/2023-01-22-A-new-focus.html [16:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | Setting a new focus for my blog [16:45] psydruid they're playing at the Emirates [16:46] schestowitz-TR i was just guessing the location [16:47] schestowitz-TR btw, weird for us-owned team to have a stadium called that [16:50] psydruid they've completely sold out anything to do with the club [16:50] schestowitz-TR 0-1 United :D [16:50] psydruid they're finally playing good football again [16:50] psydruid after almost a decade [16:51] schestowitz-TR because ronaldo LEFT [16:51] schestowitz-TR that's when they stopped losing [16:51] schestowitz-TR now the "old horse" is in the land of "let's eat camel" [16:51] psydruid I would say the new Dutch coach has had a hand in it [16:51] psydruid I like to say that United are cheating a bit [16:51] schestowitz-TR he lost the first two games [16:52] schestowitz-TR seemed like disaster [16:52] schestowitz-TR like that guy de bohr [16:52] schestowitz-TR [sic] [16:52] schestowitz-TR who was sacked after only 4 games, iirc [16:52] psydruid it takes time to completely change things [16:52] schestowitz-TR shortest coasing career ever [16:52] psydruid well, De Boer was a disaster [16:52] schestowitz-TR was it crystal palance? [16:52] psydruid yes [16:52] schestowitz-TR anyway, goin g to sleep now [16:52] psydruid and Inter Milan before ● Jan 22 [20:37] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Jan 22 [21:17] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3wpw8i8zcbs5u.irc) has joined #boycottnovell