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Techrights-secThere are several VMs: ircd mysql-shared techrights-new techrights-old tuxmachines-new tuxmachines-old viera  Sep 22 09:01
Techrights-secThese have been updated but need rebooting:  mysql-shared techrights-new tuxmachinSep 22 09:01
Techrights-secThese still need updating, followed by rebooting: ircd vieraSep 22 09:01
Techrights-secAnd hv still needs a reboot, tooSep 22 09:01
schestowitz-TRthanks for upading themSep 22 09:04
schestowitz-TRtoday's irc logs for social are longer than techrightsSep 22 09:04
schestowitz-TRowing to techpolSep 22 09:04
schestowitz-TRwhich is what we wantSep 22 09:04
schestowitz-TRso techrights has better s/n ratioSep 22 09:04
Techrights-secThe upgrade doesn't kick in until the reboot, when's a good time to do that?Sep 22 09:04
Techrights-secExcellent, that the non-tech stuff has moved to techpol.  With a little    Sep 22 09:04
Techrights-secguidance, maybe it can stay there. Sep 22 09:04
Techrights-secIs 09:15 UTC an acceptable time for the reboots?Sep 22 09:06
schestowitz-TRreboots are a massive taskSep 22 09:07
schestowitz-TRdue to what happens after themSep 22 09:07
schestowitz-TRI was afk for 7 hoursSep 22 09:07
schestowitz-TRwouuld rather not add to load atmSep 22 09:07
schestowitz-TRand I have some chares too todaySep 22 09:07
schestowitz-TRneed to get two people to sign papersSep 22 09:07
Techrights-sec$ sudo lxc-attach -n ircdSep 22 09:07
Techrights-secfetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gzSep 22 09:07
Techrights-secERROR: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main: UNTRUSTED signatureSep 22 09:07
Techrights-secfetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gzSep 22 09:07
Techrights-secERROR: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community: UNTRUSTED signatureSep 22 09:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org | Index of /alpine/edge/main/Sep 22 09:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org | Index of /alpine/edge/community/Sep 22 09:08
Techrights-secv3.15.0_alpha20210804-1255-g76c8efcb0c [http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main]Sep 22 09:08
Techrights-secv3.15.0_alpha20210804-1273-g8c164d3380 [http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community]Sep 22 09:08
Techrights-sec2 errors; 15251 distinct packages availableSep 22 09:08
Techrights-secOk, 10:15 utc then?   Sep 22 09:08
Techrights-secOr is tomorrow AM the best?Sep 22 09:08
schestowitz-TRatm I don't want to risk breaking anythingSep 22 09:09
schestowitz-TRand would rather focus on what needs signing  Sep 22 09:09
schestowitz-TRnot a good time for more thingsSep 22 09:09
Techrights-sec$ sudo lxc-attach -n vieraSep 22 09:09
Techrights-secfetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gzSep 22 09:09
Techrights-secERROR: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main: UNTRUSTED signatureSep 22 09:09
Techrights-secfetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gzSep 22 09:09
Techrights-secERROR: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community: UNTRUSTED signatureSep 22 09:09
Techrights-secv20200917-1125-g7274a98dfc [http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main]Sep 22 09:09
Techrights-secv20200917-1124-g01e8cb93ff [http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/community]Sep 22 09:09
Techrights-sec2 errors; 13202 distinct packages availableSep 22 09:09
Techrights-secThe reboot are essential 1) so that the updates take effect (kernel)Sep 22 09:19
Techrights-sec2) to verify that the services start on their own       Sep 22 09:19
Techrights-secMaybe 08:15 UTC tomorrow then.Sep 22 09:19
Techrights-sechv has a script for the containers: phased-shutdown.shSep 22 09:19
schestowitz-TRreboots would strictly need to be done by kaniini because manual intervention is sometimes neededSep 22 09:21
Techrights-secThen what is the proceedure for maintaining the services?Sep 22 09:25
Techrights-secI would expect that the containers do not needd his attention.Sep 22 09:25
schestowitz-TRit has long been like thisSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRbecause the agreement was, minimal interventionSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRand atm it's a terrible timeSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRI overslept 5 hoursSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRand have far too many tasksSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRthings to get on top ofSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRsome urgentSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRhaving days of downtime in a site that does not come bakc onlineSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRis also risk of rerandking/relistingSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TR(derankingSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRI'll check my notes about the reboots in a few hoursSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRfirst I need to settle inSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TRI've not even caught up with irc yetSep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TR09:23] <schestowitz> "The far right has changed many words and phrases.Sep 22 09:27
schestowitz-TR[09:24] <schestowitz> " gemini://idiomdrottning.org/integrationSep 22 09:27
Techrights-secackSep 22 09:28
Techrights-sectm-new and tr-new can be rebooted tomorrow, at the leastSep 22 09:28
schestowitz-TRyes, those are a lot more reliableSep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRbut let's talk about it later todaySep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRit's burning me out a bit tbhSep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRbecause I overspltSep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRalready told rianne not to tell me anythingSep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRas I was drowning here in tasksSep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRsome are 'invisible'Sep 22 09:29
Techrights-secokSep 22 09:29
schestowitz-TRi linked to that not because I agreeSep 22 09:29
Techrights-secackSep 22 09:31
schestowitz-TRsocial control media fosters an unhealtrhy culture ofd,Sep 22 09:31
Techrights-secackSep 22 09:31
schestowitz-TRx links to y, hencer x agrees on everything y ever saidSep 22 09:31
schestowitz-TRand should be held accountable as suchSep 22 09:31
schestowitz-TRnot only links but also "likes" opr "reposts" someone else's linkSep 22 09:31
schestowitz-TRiot has gotten so bad that I need to 'hide' linking to certain p[ages, e.g. only post to -socialSep 22 09:32
schestowitz-TRhoping nobody would noticeSep 22 09:32
schestowitz-TRthought-policingSep 22 09:32
Techrights-secackSep 22 09:32
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schestowitz-TRbillg send them tipsSep 22 10:43
schestowitz-TRin the bank accountSep 22 10:43
schestowitz-TR"onlt the tip"Sep 22 10:43
schestowitz-TR-drpizzaSep 22 10:43
schestowitz-TRtuxmachines 18.5 yearsSep 22 11:12
schestowitz-TRtechrights: soon 16Sep 22 11:12
schestowitz-TR35 years without security breaches (that we know of)Sep 22 11:12
schestowitz-TRremind me to schedule a reboot of tm and tr new maybe over the weekendSep 22 11:12
schestowitz-TRwe'll see ipfs comes back okSep 22 11:12
schestowitz-TRit need to be run manually, but that's the easy partSep 22 11:12
Techrights-sec:)Sep 22 11:12
Techrights-secThanks.  A weekend reboot would be good, among other things to cement theupgradeand for verifying the automationSep 22 11:12
Techrights-secI would recommend trying via hv and using Sep 22 11:14
Techrights-sec lxc-autostart -r ___Sep 22 11:14
matteobinCongrats on the anniversary! What do you think of IPFS? Why do you like, if you do, and why do you use it?Sep 22 11:15
schestowitz-TRI spent ages on ipfs yesterdaySep 22 11:16
schestowitz-TRsometimes it feels like it's now worth the effort/troubleSep 22 11:16
schestowitz-TRbut in case of major incidentsSep 22 11:16
schestowitz-TRit helps to have a contigencySep 22 11:16
schestowitz-TRit's already "too late" when incidents happenSep 22 11:16
schestowitz-TRsome machines are as fussy a f*Sep 22 11:17
schestowitz-TRI'd not reboot them unless there is some incidentSep 22 11:17
schestowitz-TRnot worth the riskSep 22 11:17
schestowitz-TRregarding tm, rianne is posting links atSep 22 11:17
schestowitz-TRI've just added a videoSep 22 11:17
schestowitz-TRwill do a daily links lump quite soonSep 22 11:17
schestowitz-TRtrying to see how well I can clkuster by topicsSep 22 11:17
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schestowitz-TRrianne has found three very nice drainks, which are usually very expensive but are about quarter priceSep 22 11:54
schestowitz-TRdue to "date"Sep 22 11:54
schestowitz-TRjord is my favourite, oat-based fom denmarkSep 22 11:54
schestowitz-TRthe others are almond and coconutSep 22 11:54
Techrights-secExcellentSep 22 11:54
schestowitz-TRmakes the coffee and tea more interesting, or even cerealSep 22 11:54
schestowitz-TRbut finding discounted food got more difficultSep 22 11:55
schestowitz-TRneed to know times (of markdowns) betterSep 22 11:55
schestowitz-TRand rianne cycles through up to 9 stgores at a time, I think Sep 22 11:55
schestowitz-TRthis route can save 200 pounds a monthSep 22 11:55
schestowitz-TRwhile running some errandsSep 22 11:55
Techrights-secYes, there is a lot of competition for it nowadays, especially with theSep 22 11:56
Techrights-secdumpsters being fenced *and* locked. Sep 22 11:56
matteobinI like rice milk a lot!Sep 22 11:56
schestowitz-TRi never tried it, I thinkSep 22 11:56
matteobinTry it, it's very nice, maybe a bit too sweet if you are accustomed to suger-free soy milk.Sep 22 11:56
schestowitz-TRi liked sugar in the soy milkSep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRbut they changes the priceSep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRnow you need to pay extra for the sweet oneSep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRTechrights-sec: Sep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRlet the food "die in peace"Sep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRnot to be eaten by anyoneSep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRpeople getting access to "free" or cheap food means fewer sales Sep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TR:sSep 22 11:57
schestowitz-TRmatteobin: my grandma used to cook rice with milk and sugarSep 22 11:58
schestowitz-TRis this what you refer to?Sep 22 11:58
matteobinI mainly drink suger-free soy milk, if I want to sweeten it up I add honey.Sep 22 11:58
schestowitz-TRthe real honey got expensiveSep 22 11:58
schestowitz-TRsome don't label is rightSep 22 11:59
schestowitz-TRthey say "honey"Sep 22 11:59
schestowitz-TRbut it's just chemicalsSep 22 11:59
matteobinNo, I'm talking about a vegetable based rice drink.Sep 22 11:59
matteobinI call it milk, but it's vegan. I call it that way for convenience' sake.Sep 22 12:00
schestowitz-TRtoday we made vegan "cheese"Sep 22 12:00
schestowitz-TRit was heavily discountedSep 22 12:01
schestowitz-TRhallumi but no milkSep 22 12:01
schestowitz-TRfriedSep 22 12:01
matteobinHere in Italy you can find local beekeepers, not too much expensive.Sep 22 12:01
matteobinWas it good?Sep 22 12:01
schestowitz-TRyeahSep 22 12:02
matteobinMy GF's mother makes some very good vegan "cheese". :DSep 22 12:02
matteobinCheese is the only think I sometimes miss being a vegan.Sep 22 12:03
matteobin*thingSep 22 12:03
schestowitz-TRahSep 22 12:04
schestowitz-TRrianne is vegetarianSep 22 12:04
schestowitz-TRI'm flexetarianSep 22 12:04
matteobinAnyway there are some good vegan cheese makers out there!Sep 22 12:04
schestowitz-TRveganism is hardSep 22 12:04
matteobinFrom the eating point of view, in Italy, it's not that hard, for me at least.Sep 22 12:05
schestowitz-TRhere the prices are insaneSep 22 12:05
schestowitz-TReven though veganism can just mean eat bread, jam, not butterSep 22 12:06
schestowitz-TRwater, veg, fruitSep 22 12:06
schestowitz-TRhence not so expensiveSep 22 12:06
matteobinIt's harder using Free Software only. Or even harder is finding a Free Software job! :DSep 22 12:06
matteobinWhere do you live?Sep 22 12:06
matteobinBeing a vegan means you'll have to cook a bit more and it can be tiresome.Sep 22 12:07
schestowitz-TRyeah, cooking helpsSep 22 12:08
schestowitz-TRrianne cooks a lotSep 22 12:08
schestowitz-TRwe live in manchesterSep 22 12:08
matteobinHowever I like it. Just like using Free Software. Free Software is really great!Sep 22 12:08
schestowitz-TRmany people here do not and cannot cookSep 22 12:08
schestowitz-TRapparently some countries not boast homes with no kitchensSep 22 12:08
schestowitz-TRFree software is a long-term ivestmentSep 22 12:08
matteobinI'll be in London in November for AdventureX!Sep 22 12:09
schestowitz-TRapple is now massively hiding prices in eu-eurozoneSep 22 12:09
schestowitz-TRbecause they can... when people are in "i" prisonsSep 22 12:09
schestowitz-TRLondon is like its own countrySep 22 12:09
matteobinI've been in Ireland last April and I noticed they don't cook much there.Sep 22 12:09
matteobinI would like to visit Scotland the next summer or so.Sep 22 12:10
matteobinDo you know AdventureX?Sep 22 12:10
matteobinBy the way, who is Rianne?Sep 22 12:12
schestowitz-TRno, first time I heard of itSep 22 12:12
schestowitz-TRmaybe I heard of it in passing but it didn't sink inSep 22 12:12
schestowitz-TRrianne is the wifeSep 22 12:12
schestowitz-TRshe posts in tux machinesSep 22 12:12
matteobinYour wife?Sep 22 12:12
schestowitz-TRyeahSep 22 12:13
schestowitz-TRshe has just posted 4 pages in tux machinesSep 22 12:13
matteobinI just realised you are the guy from Techrights!Sep 22 12:13
matteobinI watched your video about Rust in Linux this morning!Sep 22 12:14
schestowitz-TRyes, but there are overlaps with tux machinesSep 22 12:14
schestowitz-TRtux machines is the older siteSep 22 12:14
schestowitz-TRtux machines = the news, no opinionsSep 22 12:15
schestowitz-TRtechrights: analysis and opinionSep 22 12:15
schestowitz-TRTechrights-sec: Sep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRthe locking is separate from the issue of not selling on the cheapSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRrianne complains that some coffee shops here throw away perfectly fine but "unsold" foodsSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRlike sandwiches, pastriess...Sep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRand when they put out the bin bags they intentionally mix the food with napkins and stuffSep 22 12:20
Techrights-secackSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRjust to make it unediable Sep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRwhere is the ethics inn that?Sep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRor the worker in the kitchen/counter "voiding" the fodSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TR*foodSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRto make sure people cannot eat it or barely eat itSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRthey could instead give that to a food bankSep 22 12:20
schestowitz-TRbut that requires some "effort"Sep 22 12:20
matteobinThe same effort that one could use to learn a Free Software tool, but people mostly don't care. Sep 22 12:22
matteobinYou are right.Sep 22 12:22
matteobinYou are this guy: https://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/var/albums/Ceremony-Day/DSC_5678b.jpg Right?Sep 22 12:22
matteobinI was browsing your website this morning. I'm not stalking you! :DSep 22 12:23
schestowitz-TRlook at public material is not stalkingSep 22 12:26
schestowitz-TResp. as I put that material there myselfSep 22 12:27
schestowitz-TRI don't do FB and people don't upload photos of meSep 22 12:27
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matteobinI was joking.Sep 22 12:59
schestowitz-TRyes, I know :DSep 22 13:00
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Hunger ☛ https://truthout.org/video/1-person<techrights-news> Hunger ☛ https://truthout.org/video/1-person-dies-of-hunger-every-4-seconds/ | Source: TruthOut-dies-of-hunger-every-4-seconds/ | Source: TruthOutSep 22 13:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | 1 Person Dies of Hunger Every 4 SecondsSep 22 13:11
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Autumn Coming, COVID-19 Already Making a Comeback in England https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/22/covid-comeback-in-england/Sep 22 16:22
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Autumn Coming, COVID-19 Already Making a Comeback in EnglandSep 22 16:22
Techrights-secackSep 22 16:27
Techrights-secJust stop testing and stop publishing the results, and the problem goes away.Sep 22 16:27
schestowitz-TRthey also need to hide excess mortality reportsSep 22 16:29
schestowitz-TRfrom what I saw, they use a BS forumaSep 22 16:29
schestowitz-TRit takes past 5 yearsSep 22 16:29
schestowitz-TRso in 2022 they factor in 2021 and 2020Sep 22 16:29
schestowitz-TRas if they were "normal" yearsSep 22 16:29
schestowitz-TRso 2022 looks not so badSep 22 16:29
schestowitz-TRhalf your dataset is lockdown panicSep 22 16:29
Techrights-secackSep 22 16:31
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Figures From UK’s Office for National Statistics (ONS) Confirm: This Past Summer COVID-19 Caused the Most Deaths https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/22/figures-from-office-for-national-statistics/Sep 22 16:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Figures From UK’s Office for National Statistics (ONS) Confirm: This Past Summer COVID-19 Caused the Most DeathsSep 22 16:54
schestowitz-TRhowtoforge has just committed another suicideSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRinstead of clownflare now it' s a popupSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRI assume cssSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRthat you cannot dismiss without some jsSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRso you have overlap covering the whole page, unless you click somethingSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRthat you cannot clickSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRain't the www lovely?Sep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRcommon practice btw, with or without jsSep 22 16:59
schestowitz-TRcontent ransomSep 22 16:59
matteobinNice! :(Sep 22 17:00
matteobinWhat browser do you use?Sep 22 17:00
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schestowitz-TRin this case, quiterssSep 22 17:11
schestowitz-TRand it cannot access the siteSep 22 17:11
Techrights-secackSep 22 17:11
Techrights-seccheckingSep 22 17:11
Techrights-secHowToForge is over.  There are means around that but tedious and inefficientSep 22 17:11
Techrights-secones.  It's not worth the effort.  I wonder why HowToForge chose to impode?Sep 22 17:11
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schestowitz-TRoh oh.... did the hv just go titsup again?Sep 22 17:27
schestowitz-TRI think it didSep 22 17:27
schestowitz-TRok, I think it was just the networkSep 22 17:27
Techrights-seccheckingSep 22 17:28
Techrights-secstill there afaikSep 22 17:28
Techrights-sec $ uptimeSep 22 17:28
Techrights-sec 16:25:42 up 2 days, 13:17,  0 users,  load average: 2.37, 2.62, 2.89Sep 22 17:28
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matteobinGotta go, see ya!Sep 22 17:30
schestowitz-TR0/Sep 22 17:31
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schestowitz-TRI have just loaded the opml file Sep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRit looks similar or overlapping what I already have from the last timeSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRI wrote some export thing for list of feeds beforeSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRbut we never used that to share new entriesSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRbut I think I can run that on this new fileSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRand then what I haveSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRthen do a diffSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRlet me checkSep 22 18:08
schestowitz-TRmaybe it only added feeds I did not hjave alreadySep 22 18:08
Techrights-secIt's similar.  However, I don't know how to do a diff or merge easily.  ThereSep 22 18:11
Techrights-secare a lot of additions but not hundreds.Sep 22 18:11
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schestowitz-TRvery busyb  in irc todaySep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRthe network hangup caused some confusion, bnut I crossed checked (3 clients) to assure nothing was missedSep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRthere cano be no netsplit when there is just one beefy serverSep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRI am getting tired and need a napo soonSep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRirc is busy esp. in techpolSep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRso the s/n ratio isn't too badSep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRmaybe we should indeed post MOAR linksSep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRthoughts?Sep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRmore links per daySep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRinc. general links?Sep 22 18:18
schestowitz-TRI am merging the old and new opmlSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRi found a way :-)Sep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRso now I have a bigger pool of materialSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRusually the weekends I spend going through lower priority stuffSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRno gulag noise anymoreSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRbut cherry-picked sources, over rssSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRa few I check manually as they lack rss feedsSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRusually every sundaySep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRthey perish anyway over timeSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRnot much new contentSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRand imagine wrtiting new posts in a site that does not have the nortion of subscribersaSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRand instead things twitter or other shitware will "manage" followersSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TRbiabSep 22 18:21
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Right wing politics on Gemini gemini://idiomdrottning.org/right-wing-politics-on-gemini "I couldn’t fault anyone who bought into that worldview for going right wing. It doesn’t surprise me. It just breaks my heart."Sep 22 18:23
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Techrights-secShould the "Misinformation/Disinformation" section be amended to read:Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-sec"Misinformation/Disinformation/Propaganda" ?Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-secShould the "Web Browsers" section be amended to read:Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-sec"Web Browsers/Web Servers" ?Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-secAs for quantity, I figure the quality of the links is quite good for nowSep 22 20:43
Techrights-secand many important posts and announcements get lost in the already large Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-secvolume.  Everyday there are usually a few which are highly important / relevantSep 22 20:43
Techrights-secand evey week there are usually one or two which are of outstanding Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-secimportance / relevant.  Yet none get the attention worthy of the topic(s) Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-seccovered.  Sep 22 20:43
Techrights-sec"Theres no need to balance true with false"Sep 22 20:43
schestowitz-TRthe suggestions you made are goodSep 22 20:45
schestowitz-TRif you push them upstream tell me so I can run a git diff ('show')Sep 22 20:45
schestowitz-TRand amend manutally at my side for consisntencySep 22 20:45
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schestowitz-TR So when did POP and IMAP become a “legacy protocol?” :"But on another level, this is concerning. Even though Microsoft announced this three years ago, it comes across as locking email down into a more centalized, proprietary system. I do have to wonder how long until Google decides that only certain clients can connect with Gmail?" gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/09/22.1Sep 22 22:42
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