●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 23, 2023 ●● ● Jan 23 [00:04] schestowitz-TR Office for National Statistics (ONS) Entered Into Propaganda Business? https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/23/ons-propaganda-business/ [00:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Office for National Statistics (ONS) Entered Into Propaganda Business? [00:40] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jan 23 [01:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [01:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@fpfsqjchsbkme.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 23 [03:43] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:48] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 23 [05:47] schestowitz AI will replace academics unless our teaching challenges students again [05:47] schestowitz That means to say plagiarism. Hardly a new issue; the media panic is reinvigorated by PR from Microsoft [05:47] schestowitz Delivery of educational material chunked at the optimal grade for retention by passive student-consumers is ripe for automation, says Andy Farnell [05:47] schestowitz Right, but automation and "HEY HI" (hype) aren't the same thing. [05:47] schestowitz [Albert Einstein head in a humanoid prototype to illustrate AI will replace [05:47] schestowitz academics unless our teaching challenges students again] [05:47] schestowitz Source: Getty (edited) [05:47] schestowitz Einstein became a bit of a cult figure and mascot. Many of his theories did not turn out to be true. But that's me nitpicking. [05:47] schestowitz These past months have seen a wave of articles about a new kind of AI [05:47] schestowitz called large language models (LLMs), of which ChatGPT is the most [05:47] schestowitz prominent. The liberal progressives have embraced it, declaring that [05:47] schestowitz its ability to auto- generate plausible-sounding text in seconds [05:48] schestowitz strengthens_the_case for 'authenticity' in assessment. [05:48] schestowitz This "wave of articles" is partly Microsoft spam. That helped distract from last October's layoffs and this month's layoffs. This is easily demonstrable. Microsoft keeps pretending to have "embraced" some future brands, such as "clown computing". [05:48] schestowitz By contrast, the conservatives are doubling down on detection, proctoring and [05:48] schestowitz reference-checking. But both camps are missing the bigger question: if [05:48] schestowitz you cannot tell a machine from a genuine student, what makes you think [05:48] schestowitz a student cares whether they're taught by you or a machine? Critics [05:48] schestowitz are quick to seize on ChatGPT's limitations. By averaging a colossal [05:48] schestowitz training set of 1TB of text, containing 175 billion word-association [05:48] schestowitz parameters, it responds to question in the style of an overconfident [05:48] schestowitz sixth-form essay, with a strident, repetitive tone. [05:48] schestowitz It's large-scale brute-force plagiarism with some automation built in. Hardly new. SCIGen, for instance, is nearly 20 years old. But it didn't have Microsoft's PR budget to flood the media and brainwash hundreds of millions of people. The emperor is naked. [05:48] schestowitz But truth is not a [05:48] schestowitz reliable outcome of this process, as many examples have [05:48] schestowitz highlighted. LLMs lack even the most basic epistemic position and any [05:48] schestowitz understanding of causation or structure. Yet that doesn't matter, [05:48] schestowitz advocates argue. This is just a start. LLMs, notable because they are [05:48] schestowitz superficially human, have yet to integrate with other kinds of AI in [05:48] schestowitz this rapidly maturing field. Once they do, they will be capable of [05:48] schestowitz effective reasoning ' or its useful simulation. The likely impact of [05:48] schestowitz LLMs on labour markets is certainly underestimated. Application [05:48] schestowitz researchers are already eyeing them for tasks such as retail, customer [05:48] schestowitz assistance, query and decision support. And their impressive ability [05:48] schestowitz to interactively deliver short, informative responses, more succinct [05:48] schestowitz and focused than Google or Wikipedia, makes them strong candidates for [05:48] schestowitz teaching, too. Using current technology, adding speech systems for [05:48] schestowitz accurate listening and expressive voice synthesis is almost trivial. [05:48] schestowitz Teaching can be done by just reading books. But teachers exist because books are not enough. [05:48] schestowitz About 5 an hour currently buys computing power to service five to 10 [05:48] schestowitz students simultaneously. Surely administrators will be falling over [05:48] schestowitz themselves to replace teachers with bots trained in specific knowledge [05:48] schestowitz areas ' perhaps incorporating Douglas Adams-style 'personality' [05:48] schestowitz add-ons, allowing students to be taught by simulated Einsteins or [05:48] schestowitz Feynmans. [05:48] schestowitz Economics and teaching should be put apart. [05:48] schestowitz But as the cost falls, and as people become increasingly unable to [05:48] schestowitz distinguish plausible-sounding nonsense from genuine wisdom, human [05:48] schestowitz suppliers will compete with machines in a race to the bottom. And the [05:48] schestowitz disastrous consequences will not be limited to academics' bank [05:48] schestowitz balances. As a systems theorist, I predict that this market for [05:48] schestowitz lemons, as economists call it, will run into the same problem that [05:49] schestowitz devastated banana production in the late 20th century: production of [05:49] schestowitz sterile monocultures. [05:49] schestowitz This isn't even a new problem. [05:49] schestowitz Positive feedback loops of mediocrity will kill off intellectual [05:49] schestowitz progress by failing to reproduce innovative experts with core [05:49] schestowitz disciplinary skills. At best, we will be stuck in an endless recycling [05:49] schestowitz of 'approved facts'. At worst, our ability to reason and assess [05:49] schestowitz knowledge claims will collapse, leave us sitting ducks for recruitment [05:49] schestowitz and brainwashing by malign forces. In fact, you could argue that we [05:49] schestowitz are nearly there already. [05:49] schestowitz Not even ML was needed for this. I'm not so old, but hype set aside, we had all this before. [05:49] schestowitz Credential inflation means that a degree is now considered a [05:49] schestowitz necessity, and many students are not so much thirsty for knowledge as [05:49] schestowitz anxious about being left behind in the red queen's race to grow their [05:49] schestowitz CVs. Profit-hungry universities' response to this market has, at the [05:49] schestowitz extreme, reduced professors to poorly paid operators of degree [05:49] schestowitz machines that chunk educational material at the optimal grade for [05:49] schestowitz retention by passive student-consumers. Such a model is ripe for [05:49] schestowitz automation and sublimation by LLMs, whose training data can be washed [05:49] schestowitz of anything too marginal. [05:49] schestowitz There's already a long but still-creeping threat of recruiters scanning for buzzwords like "IoT" because they have no grasp of technological substance. [05:49] schestowitz To save both our jobs and society, academics must go back to the future. At our [05:49] schestowitz best, we did not use to spoon-feed students, as we do today. Nor is that what [05:49] schestowitz they wanted. They came for guidance, encouragement and socialisation into [05:49] schestowitz collegiate life, already as full adults. We always had an implicit duty of [05:49] schestowitz care, but we also had authority to direct and judge. [05:49] schestowitz That sounds more like The Times than a hacker ;-) [05:49] schestowitz I know, I know... language adapts to the platform/editors ;-) [05:49] schestowitz In my tutorials in the 1990s, anyone who sat in meek, expectant [05:49] schestowitz silence was ignored ' by me as much as by their peers. Something [05:49] schestowitz important I took from a psychoanalyst is that 'this doesn't begin [05:49] schestowitz until you have the courage to speak first'. A good professor is a [05:49] schestowitz sparring partner who aims to toughen up young minds through merciless [05:49] schestowitz examination of purported knowledge, a process continuous with [05:49] schestowitz research. And I believe many students still crave to be challenged ' [05:49] schestowitz even if they have lost the words to express it. There is [05:49] schestowitz unquestionably a demand for passive inculcation, too. But in a world [05:49] schestowitz bereft of benevolent intellects, trusted, respected human knowledge [05:49] schestowitz curators will command a premium like never before ' possibly in new [05:49] schestowitz freelance roles akin to those of consultants or therapists. [05:50] schestowitz It's worth noting troll and misinformation farms online. They too pose overlapping threats. [05:50] schestowitz [05:50] schestowitz We will need courage to retake the ground freed by the [05:50] schestowitz machines. Begging bowls in hand for grants and accolades, we've [05:50] schestowitz allowed_ourselves to be bullied by MBAs with twice our salaries and [05:50] schestowitz half our IQs. But once we accept that AI will completely replace our [05:50] schestowitz current jobs as mouthpieces for statistically 'consensual truth', we [05:50] schestowitz can begin valuing ourselves again. By re-embracing our former status [05:50] schestowitz as authorities and role models, we will become real professors again. [05:50] schestowitz I saw "MBAs with twice our salaries and half our IQs" in another site the other day, maybe quoting or copying you. [05:50] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:51] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 23 [06:57] schestowitz-TR "So yesterday my blog was on the front page of Hacker News. Twice. The comments were brutal, however some people politely pointed out some issues that I've brushed off in the past because it's difficult to interpret comments like "ur website is gay furry trash because I can't tell what is a conversation snippet lol"" https://xeiaso.net/blog/site-update-better-css [06:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-xeiaso.net | Site Update: CSS Fixes - Xe Iaso ● Jan 23 [08:33] schestowitz-TR we are watching the above video ah the moment [08:33] schestowitz-TR it is long, but starts with a 2-minute roundup/overview [08:33] schestowitz-TR very concerning [08:33] schestowitz-TR even our "Transparency" orgs are lying now [08:33] schestowitz-TR so where can I turn to data? [08:33] schestowitz-TR 5-6 Days Later Still No Reply From ONS; Statistic Regulator Receives Formal Complaint https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/23/5-6-days-later-still-no-reply-from-ons-statistic-regulator-receives-formal-complaint/ [08:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 5-6 Days Later Still No Reply From ONS; Statistic Regulator Receives Formal Complaint [08:34] techrigthssec That's problematic. [08:34] techrigthssec They seem to hide the data in various ways, including through delays. [08:50] schestowitz-TR swap=mem/ramx2 [08:50] schestowitz-TR swapless servers can become a mess to manage [08:50] schestowitz-TR gnu/linux, recent builds [08:50] schestowitz-TR thi is not a weakness [08:50] schestowitz-TR disk space is not expensive and not volatile (it can be) [08:50] schestowitz-TR case: you run shit program, it asks for moar and moar ram [08:50] schestowitz-TR system slows down [08:50] schestowitz-TR you realise something is wrong [08:50] schestowitz-TR you can kill the process that's offending [08:50] schestowitz-TR while ie eats up ram oom might have guessed wrong [08:50] schestowitz-TR but it can take a lot of time to totally exhaust ram [08:50] schestowitz-TR and you can killlall from a remote terminal or machine [08:50] schestowitz-TR if xserver has been kicked to swap by then [08:50] schestowitz-TR then give things time to recover//rebalance ● Jan 23 [10:01] schestowitz-TR After More Than an Hour on the Phone, "Standard Life" Says Pension Was 'Transferred', Refuses to Give Any More Information (Money Gone 'Missing') https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/23/phone-your-pension-provider-before-too-late/ [10:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive After More Than an Hour on the Phone, Standard Life Says Pension Was Transferred, Refuses to Give Any More Information (Money Gone Missing) [10:01] schestowitz-TR truly scandalous. And I've wasted so much time on this. [10:04] techrigthssec ack [10:16] schestowitz-TR ONS is Apparently Still Undercounting UK Deaths, Reality Likely a Lot Worse Than Stated https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/23/undercounting-uk-deaths/ [10:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive ONS is Apparently Still Undercounting UK Deaths, Reality Likely a Lot Worse Than Stated [10:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:59] techrigthssec ack ● Jan 23 [13:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:46] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:47] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@fpfsqjchsbkme.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 23 [15:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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