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*Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-socialJul 23 02:35
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schestowitzRe: Fwd: "The EPO's hostility towards software and AI patent applications"Jul 23 03:16
schestowitz Bastian Best Jul 23 03:16
schestowitzBastian BestJul 23 03:16
schestowitz@https://twitter.com/bastianbestJul 23 03:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/bastianbest )Jul 23 03:16
schestowitzThe folks at Kilpatrick Townsend have published an interesting one-pager about The Rise of Artificial Intelligence in the Automotive Industry.Jul 23 03:16
schestowitzThis statement worries me, although I have to agree to a certain extent:Jul 23 03:16
schestowitzWhat do you think?Jul 23 03:16
schestowitz> Hello Mr. xxxxx,Jul 23 03:28
schestowitz> Jul 23 03:28
schestowitz> I’m a former Microsoft engineer/analyst and I just wanted to reach outJul 23 03:28
schestowitz> and say that you were spot-on for highlighting the threat that MicrosoftJul 23 03:28
schestowitz> and software monocultures pose to national security and that yourJul 23 03:28
schestowitz> Computerworld article xxxx fromJul 23 03:28
schestowitz> 1998 is still as relevant as ever. I wasn’t even aware of your workJul 23 03:28
schestowitz> prior to publishing my own article on this same problem but edited itJul 23 03:29
schestowitz> after the fact specifically to cite you though. Feedback welcome, butJul 23 03:29
schestowitz> I’d personally love to see you revisit this subject and elaborate further. Jul 23 03:29
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Techrights-sechttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210405/14181146555/dc-appeals-court-affirms-sidelining-Jul 23 11:30
Techrights-secattorney-larry-klayman-who-attempted-to-change-sides-litigation.shtmlJul 23 11:30
Techrights-sec?Jul 23 11:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techdirt.com | DC Appeals Court Affirms Sidelining Of Attorney Larry Klayman, Who Attempted To 'Change Sides' In Litigation | TechdirtJul 23 11:30
acer-box____/fnKlayman has long been a crank and litigious asshole with deep pockets. Mike and team play with fire, then run to Charles Koch for "free speech" defense money...Jul 23 11:31
Techrights-secNothing good can come of sucking up to Koch, not even once (which he did already).Jul 23 11:31
acer-box____/fnTW, I am not justifying the lawsuits etc. but the tone of his Shiva A. pieces asks for troubleJul 23 11:32
acer-box____/fn*btwJul 23 11:32
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schestowitz-TRHard to say.  Shiva A is more than just a crank, but only just.Jul 23 11:35
schestowitz-TRMainly he is a charlatan and a fraud. Jul 23 11:35
schestowitz-TRand a crank.Jul 23 11:35
schestowitz-TRI see a lot of the same, e.g. Lee (FN) and sometimes even RMS with too big an ego, even is disguised as parodyJul 23 11:35
schestowitz-TR*ifJul 23 11:37
Techrights-secHe's got a lot of fake web sites up pushing crap and disinformation.Jul 23 12:14
Techrights-secThat gives him some staying power.  Jul 23 12:14
Techrights-sechttps://www.sigcis.org/AyyaduraiJul 23 12:14
Techrights-sechttps://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/02/13/says-invented-email-dispute-him-your-own-riJul 23 12:14
Techrights-secsk/wGQn4o6erpIJEs7kk13UyJ/story.htmlJul 23 12:14
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.sigcis.org | Did V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai Invent Email? | SIGCISJul 23 12:14
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/02/13/says-invented-email-dispute-him-your-own-ri/ )Jul 23 12:14
Techrights-secPart of the problem in all those cases is societal, as one becomes wealthyJul 23 12:15
Techrights-secor otherwise influential, flunkies accumulate and real, timely, accurateJul 23 12:15
Techrights-secinformation cannot penetrate the layers to the person at the center.Jul 23 12:15
Techrights-secShiva, though, is not in that category.  He is just a charlatan and a fraud.Jul 23 12:15
Techrights-secand a crank.Jul 23 12:15
schestowitzWhen Boston Globe contacted me about him it felt like they were spying and shilling for him, which I think was confirmed to me by MikeJul 23 12:17
Techrights-secHe gained a lot of unearned, uncritical support by playing the race cardJul 23 12:22
Techrights-secearly on.  Many picked that up and ran with it only to find much laterJul 23 12:22
Techrights-secon that they'd been played.  However, most who did that only became quietJul 23 12:22
Techrights-secrather than issuing apologies.Jul 23 12:22
schestowitzEven Chomsky :-)Jul 23 12:22
Techrights-secyes, though Chomksy's advanced age can partially excuse his getting fooled, butJul 23 12:27
Techrights-secit cannot excuse the failure to correct the situation once the facts Jul 23 12:27
Techrights-secwere reminded.Jul 23 12:27
Techrights-secShiva found an appealing narrative which so many parroted uncritically.Jul 23 12:27
Techrights-secTwitter and other social control media amplify such attacks, like theJul 23 12:27
Techrights-secones against RMS and JA and LT.Jul 23 12:27
Techrights-secPart of the amplification that social control media provides disinformationJul 23 12:29
Techrights-secit to make it visible first.  Once people make up their minds, very very fewJul 23 12:29
Techrights-secwill even consider changing their position despite a preponderance of factsJul 23 12:29
Techrights-secand evidence in favor of doing so.  Jul 23 12:29
schestowitz-TRPart of the design is, EDITING IS NOW ALLOWED.Jul 23 12:29
schestowitz-TRSo many lies remain in tact.Jul 23 12:29
schestowitz-TRThe platform owner then gets to decide which lies to push and whenJul 23 12:29
schestowitz-TRThat's only a small part.  The main factor is the speed with which the Jul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRdisinformation is promulgated.  By the time the facts become known, Jul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRthe topic has blown over and is no longer as popular or may even be forgottenJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRalready.  That is on top of the problem of people digging in and not wantingJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRto accept facts if they mean it would be necessary to reexamine their Jul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRposition on the topic.Jul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRYes the platform owner gets to decides which lies to push and when, bothJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRup front and indirectly via 'algorithms'.  It's all about shifting theJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRcenter of the bell curve ever so slightly, something which is dreadfullyJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TReasy to do at scale.  Remember the 'experiments' that Facebook did withJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRvoting engagement so many years ago?  They calculated that they couldJul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRpush a national election several percentage points in any direction Jul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRthey wished.  Jul 23 12:34
schestowitz-TRI mentioned it in IRC a few days agoJul 23 12:34
Techrights-sechttps://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/5190Jul 23 12:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 308 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/5190 )Jul 23 12:39
Techrights-sec93/Jul 23 12:39
Techrights-secYes, I saw that in IRC.  It remains a severe problem    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/27Jul 23 12:39
Techrights-secJust because it remains unaddressed does not mean it will go away, ratherJul 23 12:39
Techrights-secthe opposite.Jul 23 12:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pnas.org | Table of Contents — July 06, 2021, 118 (27) | PNASJul 23 12:39
schestowitz-TRThankfully I've weaned myself off social control media almost completely, I push but don't pull off it. And TBH, I'd rather people use RSS for a site then follow my own notes Jul 23 12:40
Techrights-secOld: https://text.npr.org/743195213Jul 23 13:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Facts Aren't Enough: The Psychology Of False BeliefsJul 23 13:02
schestowitz-TRAre you among those who live remotely enough and won't interact with many people and can thus afford to use distancing instead of shots?Jul 23 13:03
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schestowitzamarsh04: welcome back!Jul 23 13:22
amarsh04thanksJul 23 13:23
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