●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 23, 2021 ●● ● Oct 23 [00:34] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:54] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [01:05] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:06] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:12] *altlink_b1b has quit (connection closed) [01:12] *altlink_883 (~altlink_883@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:29] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:30] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:30] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:31] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:33] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:34] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:35] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:37] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6c5xpxtugdc9q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [02:31] *psydroid3 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 23 [03:47] *leah has quit (connection closed) [03:47] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [04:16] schestowitz-TR2 the logs do have a mention (irc) of the ongoing trolling tactics, wherein rust critics are somehow closeted transphobes [04:17] Techrights-sec ad hominem is all they have [04:17] Techrights-sec same method used to inject systemd into distros [04:18] schestowitz-TR2 hence yesterday's meme, without a direct reference that feeds the troll [04:18] Techrights-sec Debian specificially [04:19] Techrights-sec usually ignoring them makes them move on and find a weaker target [04:19] Techrights-sec weaker or more entertaining, eiter one [04:20] Techrights-sec I suppose soon they'll complain about copraphobes and necrophobes [04:20] Techrights-sec having run of of shock material [04:20] schestowitz-TR2 lol [04:27] schestowitz-TR2 I think we're good either way, as many of these smears and efforts to undermine us have failed (employer, platform, lynch mobs) [04:28] Techrights-sec the public is starting to get wise to the lynchmob tactics [04:33] schestowitz-TR2 we recently hit 70 sim. users in our self-hosted irc networks. with freenode we could approach 100, but network effect comes at a cost, which we paid when we left that train behind [04:34] Techrights-sec yes, and it seems that at least some others took TR's example to heart and [04:34] Techrights-sec made their own instances too. [04:35] schestowitz-TR2 that was the intent. I'm happy to see gemini moving away from gitlab, as when I researched installing it I was put off. [04:36] Techrights-sec gemini still has a bit of settling in to do, the spec is not finished yet [04:36] Techrights-sec it's close though [04:36] schestowitz-TR2 the project is very new (2019 afaik) [04:43] Techrights-sec It's quite new, it's a good move but as stated before, there needs to be [04:43] Techrights-sec some clients packaged for the more popular distros so that it can go up [04:43] Techrights-sec in adoption. It's not appropriate or reasonable to expect people to [04:43] Techrights-sec deal with compiling. It's also more energy efficient to handle that [04:43] Techrights-sec once per distro unless there are substantial reasons to do otherwise. [04:43] Techrights-sec Let the computer do the work of tracking versions and updates and such. [04:43] Techrights-sec I haven't followed enough of what's happening to Debian lately. [04:43] Techrights-sec It's still a very important distro but has substained a lot of damage [04:43] Techrights-sec to both the project itself and its general reputation. A goal of the [04:43] Techrights-sec opponents has been to weaken it and in that they have made progress. [04:43] Techrights-sec But speaking of monocultures, too many derivative distros are dependent on [04:43] Techrights-sec Debian. There area few growing from Arch though. That's good. [04:43] Techrights-sec Notably the Debian -> Ubuntu -> Mint dependency is a liability. [04:43] Techrights-sec However, it is such a large portion of the GNU/Linux market that those [04:43] Techrights-sec companies which actually do provide packages provide them for APT on x86 [04:44] schestowitz-TR2 I checked debian buster today; still nothing in it. Not sure about bullseye. At the back of my mind: google funding, vested in www monoculture(s). [04:53] Techrights-sec I think asking for Pacman from them at this stage would be premature, [04:53] Techrights-sec but maybe soe progress can be made towards something more abstract such [04:53] Techrights-sec as source code access and letting people and projects roll their own. ● Oct 23 [05:02] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:05] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:59] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 23 [06:12] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6c5xpxtugdc9q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:17] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Oct 23 [07:39] schestowitz # is the site "Market Research Telecast" any good / legitimate? [07:39] schestowitz It's just AUTOMATED translations from German, typically linking to originals in German. Sometimes, for some topics, there's value to it, but very limited as the quality sucks [07:54] *leah has quit (connection closed) [07:54] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [08:07] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:11] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:47] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [08:47] *activelow (~activelow@tjyeecr8dbswi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:55] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:55] *blitzed has quit (connection closed) [08:55] *blitzed (~blitzed@d3wswzztcj3cy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [09:01] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:09] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:21] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:33] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:39] *n-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:46] *n-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@eganakf2bu9k2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [10:13] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:20] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:20] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:50] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [10:50] *activelow (~activelow@vf9uspfbqtzpu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [11:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 23 [12:02] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:06] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:37] Techrights-sec "EFF has always valued and appreciated Gilmores opinions, even when we disagree." [12:39] Techrights-sec I guess that's one kind of medication :/ [12:39] schestowitz-TR2 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/john-gilmore-leaves-eff-board-becomes-board-member-emeritus [12:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | John Gilmore Leaves the EFF Board, Becomes Board Member Emeritus | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:39] schestowitz-TR2 better than being sent to therapists and forced to write an apology [12:39] schestowitz-TR2 Like Alan Turing ● Oct 23 [13:19] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:19] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:22] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:36] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:36] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:47] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:47] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [14:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:50] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 23 [15:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:07] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:42] schestowitz-TR2 When automated translations go VERY wrong. This headline says exactly the opposite of what happened. #pr [15:42] schestowitz-TR2 otonmail threw the activist under the bug by divulging addresses. https://marketresearchtelecast.com/prot [15:42] -altlink_883/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: marketresearchtelecast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://marketresearchtelecast.com/prot [15:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marketresearchtelecast.com | Market Research Telecast [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 onmail-defends-ip-address-of-climate-activist/148697/ [15:43] Techrights-sec ack [15:43] Techrights-sec probably best to remove the site from the approved source and mark it as [15:43] Techrights-sec undesirable ● Oct 23 [16:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:41] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [18:26] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@48yqyzxk47ux4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 23 [19:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:08] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:19] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@znahu4npa3evq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:32] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:34] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:34] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [21:56] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Oct 23 [22:46] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 23 [23:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vc3q2vduvxhz8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:44] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@h6h2z4irymv4s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell