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[05:04] schestowitz hi prawn / prawnsaald just wanted to extend a HUGE thank-you for the work and to also ask if it's still possible to upload a background image for the welcome screen of "nextclient" from within account settings ... in my case, myclients/30927/Techrights/settings
[05:05] schestowitz trying to customise everything...
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[09:32] *Now talking on #boycottnovell
[09:32] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social
[09:32] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021
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[10:11] schestowitz-TR2 two things
[10:11] schestowitz-TR2 1) earlier this morning our network (server) had a 10-min outage. still less than aws.
[10:11] schestowitz-TR2 2) what should our position on fsfe be?
[10:11] schestowitz-TR2 (I don't; want to destroy them, they still do some good things)
[10:12] Techrights-sec2 afk
[10:12] Techrights-sec2 1) ack, I noticed that the connection was broken but it came back quickly
[10:12] Techrights-sec2 2) it should be measured, but I would say that they probably ought to change
[10:12] Techrights-sec2 the name. Yes, many of the things they do are good, but far from all.
[10:12] schestowitz-TR2 OK, thanks for thatinput, we need to budget our time to deal
[10:12] schestowitz-TR2 with great threts and more urgent things
[10:12] schestowitz-TR2 sometimes barking without biting can discourage further bad behaviour
[10:12] Techrights-sec2 ack
[10:12] Techrights-sec2 sometimes
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[10:16] schestowitz-TR2 I think the approach is conditional love or tough love (I prefer the former terms). Commend them when they do sometimes good, condemn when they do something negative, then hope they will do less of the latter, over time, to maintain cleaner reputation and balance sheet
[10:16] schestowitz-TR2 it pains me because I used to know people from there
[10:18] Techrights-sec2 ack
[10:22] schestowitz__[TR] x https://www.zdnet.com/article/programming-languages-how-python-is-building-a-developer-community-of-millions/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[10:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Programming languages: How Python is building a developer community of millions | ZDNet
[10:23] Techrights-sec2 back in a bit
[10:25] schestowitz-TR2 just fyi (not a complaint or anything ;-) :D): in other links sometimes, maybe once a month and last seen yesterday, the same links would be posted twice, I assume a copy-paste oopsie. Today, as once or twice before, my joindiapora url (profile) was included
[10:45] Techrights-sec2 back
[10:45] Techrights-sec2 yeah, the "other" links are not checked in any meaningful way, they are
[10:45] Techrights-sec2 just for information anyway
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[10:48] schestowitz__[TR] =
[10:48] schestowitz__[TR] old:
[10:48] schestowitz__[TR] https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/XWiki/JessicaIavarone
[10:48] schestowitz__[TR] # blocked by javascript
[10:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.opensource.org | Profile of Jessica Iavarone - XWiki
[10:49] schestowitz__[TR] =
[10:49] schestowitz__[TR] old:
[10:49] schestowitz__[TR] https://opensource.org/volunteersandstaff
[10:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensource.org | Volunteers & Staff | Open Source Initiative
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[11:19] Techrights-sec2 https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2021/12/22/december-2021-web-server-survey.html
[11:19] Techrights-sec2 I think you've read that one already. M4 is basically gone, even from
[11:19] Techrights-sec2 the "all sites" category.
[11:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | December 2021 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
[11:20] schestowitz-TR2 this became a node title in TM and a post title (Daily Links) in TR. Worth doing another video about? I did many long ones about netcraft, can do another
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[11:27] Techrights-sec2 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-202011-202111
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 if one includes tables, mobile, etc, then M$ is hovering just above 30%
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 Probably worth mentioning so as to drive home the point The Netcraft reports
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 have a lot of interesting hints about other HTTP servers but no details.
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 Nginx is clearly eating the market, but lots of small projects are becoming
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 visible also.
[11:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 For example, the "top million busiest sites" have moved to "other" ahead of
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 both Apache2 and Nginx
[11:27] Techrights-sec2 I suppose Flask and such are there in "other" but Netcraft does not say.
[11:30] schestowitz-TR2 +1
[11:30] schestowitz-TR2 I am going to record a video in a few mins
[11:30] schestowitz-TR2 I will mention gemini, www, and what you found in the stats
[11:30] schestowitz-TR2 but the point to take home is, WEB servers are not the only game in town
[11:31] Techrights-sec2 Yes, and another is that WWW != Internet, and that social control media
[11:31] Techrights-sec2 *is not* the WWW. It gets tiring having to repeat those points. Since
[11:31] Techrights-sec2 fewer and fewer people understand that, I wonder if there is another way
[11:31] Techrights-sec2 to get the point across.
[11:40] Techrights-sec2 yes
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[12:33] schestowitz-TR2 recordded 40+ mins in spite of trying to keep it concise
[12:37] Techrights-sec2 ack
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[13:18] schestowitz-TR2 rough first draft in place, video still processing
[13:54] schestowitz-TR2 you can have a read
[13:56] Techrights-sec2 "Its about hierarchy or topology" -> "Its about hierarchy or control." ??
[13:56] Techrights-sec2 Some stats on the mail servers would help. Many, very wrongly, assume that
[13:56] Techrights-sec2 M$ has high marketshare there.
[13:56] schestowitz-TR2 i wondered the same but never saw pie charts
[13:57] Techrights-sec2 http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.202101/mxsurvey.html
[13:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityspace.com | Mail (MX) Server Survey
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[14:00] Techrights-sec2 Microsoft 1,690 0.31%
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 Exim 332,908 60.28%
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 Postfix 179,315 32.47%
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 ...
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 There's a long tail of oddball mail servers, M$ being among them.
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.202111/mxsurvey.html
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 more recently ^
[14:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityspace.com | Mail (MX) Server Survey
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 Microsoft 1,364 0.26%
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 Exim 306,492 59.52%
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 Postfix 172,824 33.56%
[14:00] Techrights-sec2 ...
[14:05] Techrights-sec2 there's a bit of variation back and forth with exim and postfix, but
[14:05] Techrights-sec2 I mean there's a bit of variation up and down with exim and postfix, but
[14:05] Techrights-sec2 their relative positions are stable. Strangely there are about 3.5 % using
[14:05] Techrights-sec2 sendmail still. Those must be *old* sites.
[14:10] schestowitz-TR2 ok, refresh draft page, see footnote
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 probably ellipsis between the M$ lines and the postfix+exim block, there
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 are others in between as M$ is part ofthe long tail
[14:12] Techrights-sec2 of oddball mail servers
[14:12] schestowitz-TR2 I have just rewarded the first sentence a little
[14:13] Techrights-sec2 ack
[14:13] schestowitz-TR2 reoiwrded
[14:13] schestowitz-TR2 reworded
[14:17] Techrights-sec2 also expand on the remark about Windows being less efficient and requiring
[14:17] Techrights-sec2 more M$ systems in order to get the same level of service as with regular
[14:17] Techrights-sec2 systems.
[14:19] Techrights-sec2 buying relevance also includes M$ Teams, I presume
[14:19] Techrights-sec2 https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08/29/microsoft-to-acquire-parlano/
[14:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Microsoft to Acquire Parlano - Stories
[14:20] schestowitz-TR2 "FAST:>
[14:20] schestowitz-TR2 What was therir name
[14:20] schestowitz-TR2 Noirwegian company?
[14:21] Techrights-sec2 Trolltech was the only Norwegian company that comes to mind but that is not
[14:21] Techrights-sec2 related to this topic (AFAIK)
[14:22] schestowitz__[TR] nm, I was thinking of search https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-sells-off-part-of-its-fast-enterprise-search-acquisition/
[14:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft sells off part of its FAST enterprise-search acquisition | ZDNet
[14:22] Techrights-sec2 https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need
[14:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need )
[14:23] Techrights-sec2 I almost recall. ... thinking ...
[14:23] schestowitz__[TR] https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08 https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need
[14:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | August | 2007 | News Center
[14:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.socialmediatoday.com | MindAlign, the IM alignment you need | Social Media Today
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pull-a-fast-one-on-microsoft-more-details-about-the-mess-at-fast-search-transfer/
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 The question of debt loading makes some of these acquisitions quite intriguing
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 The destruction of Mojang was obviously to keep a generation of kids off of
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 GNU/Linux by locking out Minecraft. Other than that, they'll never recover
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 their large investment (purchase price) on that one. However, many of the
[14:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techcrunch.com | Did the "Enron of Norway" Pull a Fast One On Microsoft? More Details About the Mess at Fast Search & Transfer TechCrunch
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 others were probably bought with two purposes in mind, 1) crush a small
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 potential competitor early on, 2) offload massive debt.
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pull-a-fast-one-on-microsoft-more-details-about-the-me
[14:29] Techrights-sec2 https://www.businessinsider.com/microsofts-15-biggest-acquisitions-and-what-happened-to-them-2011-3
[14:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft: the 15 Biggest Acquisitions and What Happened to Them
[14:34] schestowitz-TR2 adding another footnote
[14:43] schestowitz-TR2 see first footnote
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[14:52] Techrights-sec2 ellipsis still needed
[14:52] Techrights-sec2 for clarity
[14:52] schestowitz-TR2 i do not wish to edit their image. I added the numbers anywau
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[15:06] Techrights-sec2 should be plain text though?
[15:06] schestowitz-TR2 cleaned up many typos and published. There might still be typos. gemini will poicm up the figures
[15:11] Techrights-sec2 In numbers:
[15:11] Techrights-sec2
[15:11] Techrights-sec2 Exim 60.28%
[15:11] Techrights-sec2 Postfix 32.47%
[15:11] Techrights-sec2 . . .
[15:11] Techrights-sec2 Microsoft 0.31%
[15:11] Techrights-sec2
[15:11] Techrights-sec2 back in a bit
[15:11] schestowitz-TR2 now I know what you meant. amended twice.
[15:29] schestowitz__[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/Facebook
[15:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Facebook - Techrights
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[16:08] Techrights-sec2 back
[16:08] Techrights-sec2 thanks
[16:09] schestowitz-TR2 btw, rianne and I will send money later this month in your name. no need to send us anything, I want to ensure our host feels moral support for both admins.
[16:10] schestowitz-TR2 ok thanks but I can send some amount
[16:10] schestowitz-TR2 his work is definitely appreciated even if it cannot be compensated adequately
[16:10] schestowitz-TR2 economically.
[16:10] Techrights-sec2 ok thanks but I can send some amount
[16:10] Techrights-sec2 his work is definitely appreciated even if it cannot be compensated adequately
[16:10] Techrights-sec2 economically.
[16:18] Techrights-sec2 thanks
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[17:47] schestowitz__[TR] potential source to inspire us (we can have our own, but ideas are there, e.g. how to 'colour' the diffs): gemini://git.skyjake.fi:1968/
[17:50] Techrights-sec2 ack
[17:50] Techrights-sec2 interesting, though I see no colors
[17:50] schestowitz-TR2 yes, it emulates this under the assumption some clients use different colours for code bits
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[23:16] Techrights-sec2 ack
[23:16] Techrights-sec2 best to avoid gimicks and focus on raw text
[23:16] Techrights-sec2 text is readable across all clients
[23:16] Techrights-sec2 afk
[23:16] schestowitz-TR2 re gemini, yes, hacks and client-specific things ought to be avoided
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