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[00:44] *rianne__ (~rianne@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:44] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-4d3.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 24 [01:49] schestowitz terminating bot, new version ready http://techrights.org/videos/Gates6Depo.ogg [01:49] *TechrightsBN has quit (connection closed) [01:50] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:50] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.77 [01:51] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog [01:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog [01:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> yewtu.be | Kung Fu Mantis Vs Jumping Spider | Life Story | BBC - Invidious ● Feb 24 [02:10] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:10] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[06:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@hngiv8sdpiaf2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 24 [07:00] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [07:00] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Feb 24 [08:07] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:54] schestowitz-TR i have changed traffic shaper on the gemini server [08:54] schestowitz-TR I also made a full system backup overnight [08:54] schestowitz-TR we added the irc bot to git ● Feb 24 [09:07] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) [09:17] *spazzz is now known as spazz [09:24] schestowitz-TR did the changes to tc impede the script taking the irc bits? ● Feb 24 [10:00] Techrights-sec there was a brief outage here [10:01] schestowitz-TR I was also going to ask, should I start adding links to Daily Links which are gemini:// ? [10:02] Techrights-sec Not sure yet. Maybe it is a good idea to have a few each day but not so manyyet. [10:02] schestowitz-TR maybe a separate section in the bottom of the list of Links? [10:03] Techrights-sec . [10:03] Techrights-sec That would work. [10:03] schestowitz-TR I will think how to do this... [10:06] schestowitz-TR would that fit into the taxonomy ok if added after leftovers at the [10:06] schestowitz-TR same depath level as leftovers? [10:06] schestowitz-TR I don't want to add a whole new block just for gemini [10:06] schestowitz-TR as I dsoubt it would have more than half a dozem items per day [10:07] Techrights-sec The taxonomy is currently by subject, not protocol. So the way to fit it [10:07] Techrights-sec in would be to just plae it according to topic. Maybe prefix the link with [10:07] Techrights-sec a Gemini symbol. That can be done in CSS can't it? [10:07] Techrights-sec The taxonomy is currently by subject, not protocol. So the way to fit it [10:07] Techrights-sec in would be to just plae it according to topic. Maybe prefix the link with [10:07] Techrights-sec a Gemini symbol. That can be done in CSS can't it? [10:07] schestowitz-TR I will check if the selector can be for protoco, rather than domain [10:09] Techrights-sec The protocol is just a string and the pattern if it can be done by pattern is [10:09] Techrights-sec anchored to the beginning of the href attribute. [10:22] schestowitz-TR i am going to run some tests [10:22] schestowitz-TR may take a bit of time [10:22] schestowitz-TR at some point we might want to add our custom-made wordpress "theme" (php) and [10:22] schestowitz-TR css to git as well, but that would need a new grouping [10:22] schestowitz-TR i've just corrected something which has long bothered me [10:22] schestowitz-TR httpS://techrights.org links won't have external site icon next to them [10:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights [10:22] schestowitz-TR now let's try gemini [10:22] schestowitz-TR there are many blog posts that already have gemini:// links in them, not just the [10:22] schestowitz-TR IRC posts [10:22] Techrights-sec ok [10:22] Techrights-sec That would probably be good. I'm not familiar enough with WordPress to suggest [10:22] Techrights-sec a directory hiearchy name. MAybe it should reflect the directory hiearchy used [10:22] Techrights-sec by WordPress. Or are the CSS not in static files? [10:22] Techrights-sec ack [10:22] Techrights-sec excellent [10:26] schestowitz-TR should I use some fancy unicode or little gif? could use asnimated, too [10:27] Techrights-sec Just the unicode symbol would be the least intrusive way. Just a second. [10:27] Techrights-sec It's U+264A [10:38] schestowitz OK, go to https://techrights.org/2021/11/19/gemini-protocol-usage-is-growing/ CTRL+R to flush out css, see first two gemini links [10:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | For the Second Month in a Row, Almost Half a Million Page Requests Over Gemini Protocol (gemini://) | Techrights [10:38] Techrights-sec ♊ in decimal; [10:38] Techrights-sec ♊ as hexadecimal; [10:39] Techrights-sec The ::before selector might not work with the escaped hex or decimal codes. [10:39] Techrights-sec So it might be necessary to just paste in the symbol itself. [10:58] schestowitz-TR should I push the "theme" to git and exclude images? [10:58] Techrights-sec ack [10:58] Techrights-sec Yes, exclude images. [10:59] schestowitz-TR later I will do a video, then some article, about us starting to add gemini:// [10:59] schestowitz-TR News Picks, gradually ● Feb 24 [11:00] schestowitz-TR and show how they are distinguished [11:00] schestowitz-TR the code assopciated with it [11:00] schestowitz-TR is already in 'view source' [11:00] schestowitz-TR but I will make a category for site [11:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fujrd6ajavpue.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:18] schestowitz-TR is there a way to suppress trailing whitespace warnings? [11:18] schestowitz-TR there's like hundreds of them obstructing me from committin the php files [11:38] schestowitz find . -type f -exec sed -i 's/ *$//' '{}' ';' [11:38] schestowitz find . -not \( -name .svn -prune -o -name .git -prune \) -type f -print0 | xargs sed -i 's/ *$//' '{}' ';' [11:38] schestowitz and various other things did not do a good enough job removing those trailing spaces [11:40] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [11:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@hngiv8sdpiaf2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:54] schestowitz At the end I used: sed -i 's/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:*$//' FILE [11:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | :space:*$// - Search results - Wikipedia [11:55] schestowitz oops [11:55] schestowitz konversation being clever [11:55] schestowitz [[ :space: ]] ● Feb 24 [12:00] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:00] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@hngiv8sdpiaf2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:10] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:12] Techrights-sec yes the way is to remove the tailing whitespace ;) [12:12] Techrights-sec there are pre-commit hooks which you can configure. The whitespaces can [12:12] Techrights-sec be caused by either tabs or actual spaces so the pattern has to take those into a [12:12] Techrights-sec ccount. [12:21] schestowitz " [12:21] schestowitz Please see this post for an official update, and please follow that account for future updates: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0 [12:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? [12:21] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [12:21] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago [12:21] schestowitz The update post as an interactable URL for Diaspora* users: [12:21] schestowitz An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com. [12:21] schestowitz " [12:22] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [12:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ... [12:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [12:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [12:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [12:25] schestowitz https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0 [12:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com [12:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:43] schestowitz " [12:43] schestowitz An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com [12:43] schestowitz Hello everyone. [12:43] schestowitz This is a message from the diaspora* Project Core Team, in collaboration with Lukas, the current administrator of JoinDiaspora. [12:43] schestowitz We know its been silent for a while, and everyone with an account on JoinDiaspora has been waiting for an update on what is going to happen with the pod in the near future. We have been busy in the background, and we now have a plan ready that we are happy to announce to everyone. [12:43] schestowitz We will explain everything in more detail below, but here is a short summary of what is going to happen: [12:43] schestowitz On Friday, March 4th, at around 20:00 UTC, JoinDiaspora will go down for a long maintenance break. We cannot yet estimate how long this will take. We will use that time to move JoinDiaspora and its data from infrastructure maintained by Feneas to infrastructure maintained by the diaspora* Core Team. This work will not resolve existing issues with exporting account data. Our work on the export feature will start at a later time, see below. [12:43] schestowitz When maintenance is completed, JoinDiaspora will be available again in a limited-service mode. In this mode, you will no longer be able to read or write posts or comments. However, you will be able to manage your account, and you will be able to export your account data. [12:43] schestowitz While this will be a big task for us, you do not need to do anything right now. We know that some of you have been having trouble exporting your profile and contents, but please refrain from using scrapers or similar means to copy your data. We will make sure that everyone who wants to receive an export will have the chance to do so once maintenance of the pod has been completed. Using scrapers and other means of automated downloading at this [12:43] schestowitz point will only cause excessive server load thats not conducive to our work and the systems reliability as a whole. [12:43] schestowitz Why is the maintenance break and the infrastructure move required? [12:43] schestowitz Feneas is winding down operations, including the operation of its services. A lot of people are concerned about losing their long-standing account data, and we wanted to help out if we possible could. We want to be able to offer everyone a long grace period to download the profile archives and eventually migrate to a new pod, but we cannot do that with the current infrastructure, as the diaspora* Core Team is not in control. [12:43] schestowitz JoinDiaspora is a big pod, and moving all the data over to a different setup will take a long time. We cannot start this process without shutting down the pod, as the only way to guarantee full data consistency with minimal effort is to turn off the pod. Well also use the time to make sure that the pod is updated to the latest code version, and that the general environment is up to date. This will make our future work easier. [12:43] schestowitz While we will prepare as much as possible, moving the final set of data and getting the pod running on the new hosts will take some time, and we cannot make any guarantees about when the pod will be available again. [12:43] schestowitz Why cant you just continue running JoinDiaspora as a full pod? [12:43] schestowitz Were aware that some of you would like us to keep running JoinDiaspora as-is, and youre not happy to learn that this is not going to happen. We feel you. [12:43] schestowitz JoinDiaspora is not just an old pod, its the oldest pod out there. JoinDiaspora started as a demo-instance, created by the original project team, and it continued its life as the most widely known pod, and one of the biggest. [12:43] schestowitz diaspora* looked a lot different back then. Not only was the interface completely overhauled multiple times, the internals were as well. JoinDiaspora and its data went through lots of different database concepts, database engines, code architectures, schema changes and all of that has taken a toll. [12:43] schestowitz Some of the architectural changes from the past has left parts of JoinDiasporas internal data structures in an inconsistent state. The project team is aware of lots of small and weird bugs and inconsistencies that are specific to JoinDiaspora only, and its hard, if not impossible, to address them all. The older JoinDiaspora gets, the harder it becomes to maintain. There is already a set of JoinDiaspora-specific workarounds in place that [12:43] schestowitz allow it to work at all, and those will only grow larger over time. [12:43] schestowitz As a project team, we have a lot of experience with debugging the weird edge cases of diaspora*, and weve also helped a number of old pods to fix their internal data. [12:43] schestowitz After careful evaluation and lots of internal discussion, we concluded that fixing and continuing to run JoinDiaspora is not feasable. All good things must come to an end eventually, and JoinDiaspora has unfortunately reached that point. [12:43] schestowitz I am currently not able to export my data. What will happen to my profile? [12:43] schestowitz Some of you are currently unable to export your profile data. You might either see an error message, or it might look like nothing is happening at all. We are aware of this. [12:43] schestowitz After the infrastructure migration is completed, we will start investigating the issues with account exports. Everyone who wants a data export will get one. [12:43] schestowitz If youre currently facing issues, please do not keep retrying the export over and over again. Please dont use automated tools like scrapers to manually acquire a copy of your data. Doing so will only cause exessive server load, which only makes our work even harder. [12:43] schestowitz As we dont know whats actually causing the export issues and how we can best fix them, this work will take some time. For each export, we have to observe its progress and intervene manually if errors arise. [12:43] schestowitz We dont know how long it will take, but everyone will get their account data exported. [12:44] schestowitz How long will I have to export my data? [12:44] schestowitz Our current intention is to keep JoinDiaspora running at least until the profile migration feature has been released to a stable version of diaspora* and a significant number of pods have updated to it. This will give everyone who has an account on JoinDiaspora the chance to migrate their old account to an account on a new pod. [12:44] schestowitz We are unable to offer a timeline or an estimate, but we will update everyone when an update is warranted. [12:44] schestowitz I do not consent to the diaspora* Project Team handling my profile data. [12:44] schestowitz If you do not consent to the project team handling your profile data as part of this migration, please head to your account settings and click the close account button. This will irrevocably delete your personal data. [12:44] schestowitz Where will you post future updates? [12:44] schestowitz We have created this diaspora* account, joindiaspora-sunset@pod.diaspora.software, specifically for this purpose. Any updates we have will be shared as posts via this account. [12:44] schestowitz You can read posts from this account even if you do not have a diaspora* account yourself by accessing this accounts public profile using this link. [12:44] schestowitz I have a question or concern thats not answered here. [12:44] schestowitz If you start sharing with this account, it will automatically share back with you. This allows you to send private messages to this account, which we will answer as soon as possible. [12:44] schestowitz Alternatively, you can write an email to joindiaspora-sunset@diasporafoundation.org. [12:44] schestowitz Please be patient while we work on resolving this situation. Well do our best to help you all move smoothly to a new home of your choice, as soon as we can. [12:44] schestowitz " [12:44] schestowitz " [12:44] schestowitz What will happen with the domain? It could be used for a general landing page for Diaspora in general. I think it would a shame if some domain grabber fetched it. [12:44] schestowitz The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team [12:44] schestowitz The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team - a day ago [12:44] schestowitz @Michael Vogel Yes, domain grabbers (and people who might try to snitch the domain for malicious purposes) have been a concern to us. [12:44] schestowitz The domain has been transferred to the project team. Even in the far future, when all users had a chance to migrate away and we finally turn off JoinDiaspora, we will continue holding that domain, and well host a landing page that explains JD has been shut down and links to the project website. [12:44] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [12:44] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago [12:45] schestowitz Archives of this post (comments to the time of submission only at Archive.Today): [12:45] schestowitz Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0 [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine [12:45] schestowitz Archive Today: https://archive.is/jSxbU [12:45] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.is | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com [12:45] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago [12:45] schestowitz @The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team Thanks, this is a good communication and a reasonable adjudication of the Joindiaspora pod. [12:45] schestowitz My principle concerns are [12:45] schestowitz Data export requests for those experiencing issues. Largely addressed [12:45] schestowitz Domain status after sunset. Largely addressed [12:45] schestowitz Account migration. Paritally addressed [12:45] schestowitz Permanent data archival. Partially addressed [12:45] schestowitz The propspect of a designated successor account feature for Diaspora* generally (e.g., Account A on Pod X has a designated successor of Account B on Pod Y.), and there is a system awareness of this in terms of permissions and data access. Future goals, not immediately applicable [12:45] schestowitz Data export [12:45] schestowitz Measures discussed seem to address this. As a possible metric, identifying how many users are affected by failed requests would be a good metric. I suspect this is a small number of cases. Ive noted that 6-month and 30-day active users are ~1,600 and ~500, of some 350k registered profiles, or about 0.5% of total registered profiles. Most inactives likely have little interest in preservation. Even numerous actives have stated as much. [12:45] schestowitz Domain status [12:45] schestowitz Retaining control over the Joindiaspora.Com domain name would avoid issues with poachers, squatters, or worse. That is addressed above. [12:45] schestowitz Data Archival [12:45] schestowitz There are sites which archive Web content, most notably the Internet Archive (IA) and Archive.Today (AT). These vary in capabilities and automation. [12:45] schestowitz Individual users can submit their own content. Ive written tools for automated submission using jq and a simple shell script, see Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread. [12:45] schestowitz https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/e0b4d980545c013a0103448a5b29e257 [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread [12:45] schestowitz Presumably the site could arrange for a bulk archival or data transfer. This is a stretch goal for which Id like to assess interest and/or possibility. In particular, building in tools to support this could aid in future Pod transitions, and is a Diaspora* development prospect. [12:45] schestowitz A stub server might not directly serve former JoindiasporaCom content itself but instead link to actual or possible IA / AT links, which can be automatically constructed based on host + GUID. I"ve written a few personal tools using #jq, see especially Create an Index-Archive of posts from an archive. [12:45] schestowitz https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ed03bc1063a0013a2ccc448a5b29e257 [12:45] schestowitz In particular, its possible to automate submissions to the Internet Archive, or to arrange for a special collection to be created. I believe working through either the Archive itself (mailto:info@archive.org) or the Archive Team would be appropriate for this. ArchiveTeam are an independent group which saves existing Internet content, and are aware of the pending Joindiaspora shutdown, see Deathwatch [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | My current jq project: create a Diaspora post-abstracter [12:45] schestowitz https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Deathwatch [12:45] schestowitz Note that the Internet Archive Wayback Machine does not archive comments. A special collection presumably could. [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.archiveteam.org | Deathwatch - Archiveteam [12:45] schestowitz Archive.Today does include comments but lacks an automated submission mechanism so far as Im aware. Im in contact with the site administrator on other issues and will enquire as to the possibility. Ive been manually submitting many of may own ~2,000 or so posts. [12:45] schestowitz Compare: [12:45] schestowitz Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/*/https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506 [12:45] schestowitz Archive.Today: https://archive.is/https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506 [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.is | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506: Im sorry, but its a fantasy: Jeff Gregorich, superintendent, on [12:45] schestowitz Account Migration [12:45] schestowitz Providing data import capabilities would be a huge benefit. [12:45] schestowitz Presently, there is no formal support, merely creation of a new account on the same or a new pod, and indication by the owner of those accounts that these are to be used. Theres no support for migrating followers, data, or block/ignore lists. The process is susceptible to impersonation attacks (e.g., #IvanZlax). Old posts should remain visible if federated, but lose any owner-moderation capabilities. [12:45] schestowitz Data migration would be a step up from this and would permit re-populating a successor account with content and followers from a previous account, or accounts. [12:45] schestowitz Designated Successor support [12:45] schestowitz A Designated Successor feature would enable both old and new accounts to formally indicate that there is a relationship, which could include preserving access to and control over private posts and messages. The successor would have moderation rights over the predecessors posts and comments. This isnt likely for the Joindiaspora shutdown but might be of interest for future development. [12:45] schestowitz There are some related issues with pod continuity and transfer which have also arisen of late, and will likely do so in future. Again, matters for future development or management guidelines. [12:45] schestowitz The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team [12:45] schestowitz The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team - a day ago [12:45] schestowitz Please use this thread for questions you have, and please respect the other folks who want to consume this thread as well, so keep it short. There is no reason to repeat stuff that has been already said. [12:46] schestowitz There are sites which archive Web content, most notably the Internet Archive (IA) and Archive.Today (AT). These vary in capabilities and automation. Individual users can submit their own content. Ive written tools for automated submission using jq and a simple shell script, see Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread. [12:46] schestowitz We stated very explicitly that we do not suggest - or even condemn - the use of automated tools. Doing so will only cause excessive server load, which only makes our work even harder. [12:46] schestowitz We will not be uploading anything anywhere. The point of diaspora* is to enable users to have control over their data, and this control includes the ability to use the delete button. If someone wants to build a tool that reads the exported archive and builds a static-blog out of it, cool. But if someone decides they do not want to have that done to their data and instead want everything deleted, then we have to accept that as well. [12:46] schestowitz Its not our authority to make decisions over other peoples data. [12:46] schestowitz Account Migration [] Designated Successor support [12:46] schestowitz Please read up on how diaspora*s migration feature is designed. A good starting point for that is the main account migration thread on Discourse, as well as the protocol specification, and all the discussions and issues that have been linked in that thread. If you have questions around that feature and its design, Discourse is also the perfect please to raise those. [12:46] schestowitz We said that we plan to offer the ability for everyone to migrate their accounts when the migration feature is fully built and released, and we mean that. We dont know when that will happen, but it will happen. [12:46] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [12:46] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago [12:46] schestowitz @The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team Thanks, thats clear. Just making my own views known. [12:46] schestowitz " [12:54] schestowitz " [12:54] schestowitz I have attempted to comment in the new thread, but it's in another pod, which does not permit account creation (even for commenting), so I must update here. [12:54] schestowitz Thank you for extending your efforts to enable all of us to export the data. Sad that millions of URLs will become dead links, but that's how the Web works, esp. with the "everything as database" mindset. It's not made to ensure as well as static sites. [12:54] schestowitz My concern is a bit different. If I was able to export all my posts (my own account and the "Linux" account), and knowing this data is large, would other pods be able to import this very large data? Would that not exceed file size limits, time out and so on? [12:54] schestowitz We need to send the message that Diaspora is federated and that federation means your data is safe. I've spent over 10 years on this. [12:54] schestowitz " [12:54] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [12:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ... [12:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [12:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [12:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab ● Feb 24 [13:13] schestowitz-TR joindiaspoira will be shutting down after all [13:13] schestowitz-TR all they offer is, we'll help you export [13:13] schestowitz-TR I asked, will I be able to import elsewhere? [13:13] schestowitz-TR this is crap [13:13] schestowitz-TR web is crap [13:13] schestowitz-TR it is also why I try to meticulously keep static copies/files of thinmgs I post [13:13] schestowitz-TR and to some degree comments I get [13:14] Techrights-sec :( [13:14] Techrights-sec With a paper journal or magazine or newspaper if there were a milliion subscriber [13:14] Techrights-sec s any one of them could keep a copy of their own with each site being centralized [13:14] Techrights-sec it takes only one person to pull the plug on the million subscribers; [13:14] Techrights-sec ack [13:27] schestowitz-TR I will do 4 videos [13:27] schestowitz-TR 1) red aht hiring from microsoft [13:27] schestowitz-TR 2) joindiarpoa [13:27] schestowitz-TR 3) epo (good news) [13:27] schestowitz-TR 4) gemini in Daily Links [13:28] schestowitz-TR i don't know if I should borhter with ANY social media anymore [13:28] schestowitz-TR maybe best to focus on TR and IRC [13:32] Techrights-sec ack [13:32] Techrights-sec Regarding the first topic, businesses are not being clever by hiring microsfoters [13:32] Techrights-sec . Thy are not hiring talent rather the opposite and on top of that they are [13:32] Techrights-sec bringing in their worst opponent inside their perimiter. [13:32] Techrights-sec Social control media is mostly a waste of time and the rest of it is just [13:32] Techrights-sec manipulation. Studies on Facebook usage have shown again and again that there [13:32] Techrights-sec is no safe level of exposure. Howevr, the worst part of all is that mainstream [13:32] Techrights-sec news consider social control media a news source and government officials [13:32] Techrights-sec consider it an acceptable replacement for official channels of communication, [13:32] Techrights-sec such as web sites. Both groups mistake it for a communications medium, when [13:32] Techrights-sec it is all about manipulation. The very few that acknowledge even one of those [13:32] Techrights-sec point all appear to consider (wrongly) themselves immune to the adverse effects. [13:32] Techrights-sec Which they are not. [13:35] schestowitz " [13:35] schestowitz Ive spent over 10 years on this. [13:35] schestowitz Same here, I just was reading my earliest messages and yes they are 11 years old :( [13:35] schestowitz The backup if I understand correctly will only be for the posts I made in my profile. All the comments are lost. Now that its confirmed that the pod will not survive there is no way mails will survive. I did change email addresses in the mean time so they are all not in one place. [13:35] schestowitz " [13:36] schestowitz Aside from that, email notifications have not worked in over a year. So even though I have hundreds of thousands of JD emails, they're not a complete trail of messages I received. I'm about to do video/article about this topic, still hoping that after a migration from Hertzer the site itself can be kept up, even as read-onyl. [13:36] schestowitz *only [13:36] *psydroid4 has quit (connection closed) [13:37] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:40] schestowitz-TR it is too early for me and rianne (Tuxmachines) to make a decision on socioal [13:40] schestowitz-TR control media as a whole, as I wish to first understand if imposrting [13:40] schestowitz-TR to another pod is at all a possibility [13:40] schestowitz-TR they make spec assuptions, like accunts not exceeding some threshold [13:44] schestowitz-TR I want to remind you that [13:44] schestowitz-TR 1) I lost everything in identi.ca [13:44] schestowitz-TR Then, even link shorteners died [13:44] schestowitz-TR including the ones used in "tweets" [13:44] schestowitz-TR 3) I lost 3 accounts in "fediverse" [13:44] schestowitz-TR 3) I quit using Gab [13:44] schestowitz-TR 4) MINDS had me fighting a few times to get the account backl [13:44] schestowitz-TR 5) Same with Twitter [13:44] schestowitz-TR 6) Now JD does the same as (2) [13:44] schestowitz-TR You could say, sorry Einstein, doing the same thing all over again [13:44] schestowitz-TR and expecting a better outcome, is just insanity at this point [13:44] schestowitz-TR I'd rather produce things I can keep onlioe as long as I wish and can [13:44] schestowitz-TR Not post some transient, volastile stufF [13:44] schestowitz-TR AND CHECK FOR TYPOS AND ALL [13:45] schestowitz-TR THOUGH IT'LL TURN TO ASHES YEARSD LATER [13:45] schestowitz-TR oops, cps [13:45] schestowitz-TR *Caps [13:45] Techrights-sec ouch [13:45] Techrights-sec yes, link shorteners have a short life span I and others warned about them [13:45] Techrights-sec from day one. They also impose a privacy problem. [13:45] Techrights-sec And an authenticity problem and a general security problems. [13:45] Techrights-sec It's all transient, social control media is the worst of the transient effects. [13:45] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass [13:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | This too shall pass - Wikipedia [13:46] schestowitz-TR I have just posted Daily LKinks [13:46] schestowitz-TR I will do 4 videos in a row shortly [13:46] schestowitz-TR then lots of writing about these [13:46] schestowitz-TR rianne is catching up with links tfor TM [13:46] schestowitz-TR I'm off work till Sat eve [13:46] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Sutra#Summary_of_the_sutra [13:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Heart Sutra - Wikipedia [13:47] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence [13:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Impermanence - Wikipedia [13:48] Techrights-sec That's a couple of days. Any tasks to try to work on between now and then? [13:48] schestowitz-TR we did some stuff for irc, with git added, last night [13:49] schestowitz-TR I think we'll still do links and all as usual. just not sure twitter and chums will be part of the circulation ● Feb 24 [14:02] schestowitz-TR the short story is, this would certainly mean less teraffic [14:02] schestowitz-TR but, it would also means less time spoent [14:02] schestowitz-TR and potentially more stuff created in ther site, faster [14:02] schestowitz-TR which can compensate for the hits from "Social" 'biotnets' [14:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:06] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:13] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Feb 24 [15:39] schestowitz-TR done 4 videos [15:39] schestowitz-TR forgot what I wanted to tewll you [15:39] schestowitz-TR but it was not so important anyway [15:39] schestowitz-TR otherwise I would have asked [15:39] schestowitz-TR I will do the text now [15:39] schestowitz-TR one unrelated (to the above) point was, [15:39] schestowitz-TR social control media is waning in general [15:39] schestowitz-TR no need to wait untikl it dies [15:39] schestowitz-TR seeing the general direction [15:39] schestowitz-TR if I can recsall what IU wanted to tell you, I will update here [15:39] schestowitz-TR this year I started taking some voice memos [15:39] schestowitz-TR the problem is, [15:39] schestowitz-TR now even the very very fine level an unimportant things [15:39] schestowitz-TR I still try to recall, knowing they were not imp[ortant anyway [15:39] schestowitz-TR social control media became a noise machjines [15:39] schestowitz-TR and some news sites like BBC tried to emulate these [15:39] schestowitz-TR so when you go to these 'news' sites [15:39] schestowitz-TR there are distractions arll around [15:39] schestowitz-TR which pains the brain and makes it har dot concenteate -- [15:39] schestowitz-TR incidentially a subject Mogeln spoke about years ago [15:39] schestowitz-TR oh yeah!! [15:39] schestowitz-TR I know what I wanted to ask or day [15:39] schestowitz-TR in theoruy,, if we abandon all social contrtol media account [15:39] schestowitz-TR we can then rewrite out code which makes hashtags to instead say [Pakiatain Medis [15:39] schestowitz-TR a] [15:39] schestowitz-TR or [New York Times] [15:39] schestowitz-TR For archival in IRC etc. [15:39] schestowitz-TR in fast, it would make sense to add source name prior to headline [15:39] schestowitz-TR example [15:40] schestowitz-TR [New York Times] Title git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [16:38] schestowitz " [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [16:38] schestowitz I have attempted to comment in the new thread, but its in another pod, which does not permit account creation (even for commenting), so I must update here. [16:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [16:38] schestowitz Use this link to access the post via your pod. That works, and that allows you to comment - as opposed to the diaspora.glasswings.com-specific link Morbius posted for whatever reason. [16:38] schestowitz If I was able to export all my posts (my own account and the Linux account), and knowing this data is large, would other pods be able to import this very large data? Would that not exceed file size limits, time out and so on? [16:38] schestowitz Account migrations should work just fine, regardless of how old and large the account is. If thats not the case, then thatd be a fixable bug. Give it a try when the feature is eventually deployed, and if it fails for you, let us know. [16:38] schestowitz The backup if I understand correctly will only be for the posts I made in my profile. All the comments are lost. [16:38] schestowitz The account export archive includes comments you made under other peoples posts, as well as the comments other people made under your posts. [16:38] schestowitz " [16:38] schestowitz This sounds reassuring. Thank you. ● Feb 24 [17:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@389qztengum92.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 24 [18:57] schestowitz-TR it would help to replace social control medua URLs [18:57] schestowitz-TR with more gemini:// essays [18:57] schestowitz-TR I don't know how well amfora is managing subscriptions [18:57] schestowitz-TR crtrl+a iirc [18:57] schestowitz-TR but we need more stuff from there [18:57] schestowitz-TR to 'rewards' people who write good stuff there [18:57] schestowitz-TR re JD and Twitter etc. [18:57] schestowitz-TR JS is being nice to me [18:57] schestowitz-TR but I cannot promise to carry on [18:57] schestowitz-TR i think for our credibility we ought to siugnal people to move to self-hosting [18:57] schestowitz-TR and for that thery need SIMPLE things [18:57] schestowitz-TR no dbs and shit [18:57] schestowitz-TR they won't be able to handle that in the long run, unlike static fgiles [18:57] schestowitz-TR like gophere ● Feb 24 [19:05] Techrights-sec yes self hosting BBought to be encouraged whenever possible for as long as it [19:05] Techrights-sec remains legal. [19:05] Techrights-sec Perhaps it can be kept legal if enough people (re-)gain awarness of how [19:05] Techrights-sec useful and easy it is. [19:12] Techrights-sec ack [19:12] Techrights-sec could use a link to the list of Gemini clients, that link is worth repeating [19:12] Techrights-sec often [19:12] schestowitz-TR added [19:12] schestowitz-TR draft [19:14] schestowitz-TR today rianne picked up some roses for half price [19:14] schestowitz-TR so the next month's videos will likely have them in the bg [19:16] Techrights-sec Sounds like an improved background. [19:16] Techrights-sec thanks! [19:19] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:19] *liberty_box (~liberty@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:22] Techrights-sec I wonder if there is a way to get the various Gemini client authors intereste [19:22] Techrights-sec in packaging for Debian? It is upstream for hundreds of derivative distros. 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