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[01:45]	schestowitz-pi2	psydruid: https://www.manutd.com/en/matches/matchcenter?matchId=2336399
[01:45]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.manutd.com | Manchester United vs Barcelona - UEFA Europa League 23 February 2023 | Manchester United | Manchester United
[01:45]	schestowitz-pi2	4-3
[01:46]	schestowitz-pi2	https://www.manutd.com/en/matches/matchcenter?matchId=2336399#
[01:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.manutd.com | Manchester United vs Barcelona - UEFA Europa League 23 February 2023 | Manchester United | Manchester United
● Feb 24
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	the sad reality of work https://dilbert.com/strip/2023-02-22
[02:16]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Does Great Work - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2023-02-22 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	i did  a part and a meme about this in the sirius series
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	i learned this first hand
[02:59]	schestowitz-pi2	[02:58] <schestowitz-pi2> re http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/24/FOSSDA_Project_Introduced.shtml
[02:59]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines FOSSDA Project Introduced
[02:59]	schestowitz-pi2	[02:59] <schestowitz-pi2> the founder is a bit of a Microsoft (CodePlex IIRC), but i have had her in my feeds. just a word of caution
● Feb 24
[03:24]	techrights[sec]	re: FOSSDA so then the goal would be revisionism and injecting that revisionism 
[03:24]	techrights[sec]	into the official record
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	could be
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	judging by her blog this past two years
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	it's lawyerism
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	and corporate-freiendly openwashing at times
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	not very keen on GPL iirc
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	christine hall just gave that some coverage
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	but hall = former OSI
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	and the site, foss force, almost always attacked RMS
[03:25]	schestowitz-pi2	even ifit was "brucie" doing tyhe attacks
[03:25]	techrights[sec]	Exactly: revisionist history
[03:26]	schestowitz-pi2	iirc, mozilla is sponsoring this
[03:26]	schestowitz-pi2	unless I conflate this with other news
[03:26]	schestowitz-pi2	let me check
[03:26]	schestowitz-pi2	"I am thrilled to announce that, with generous support from Mozilla and the Apache Foundation, we have officially launched FOSSDA, the Free and Open Source Stories Digital Archive. It's time to tell the story of the free and open source movement!" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/23/Browsers_Google_Chrome_and_Mozilla_Firefox.shtml
[03:26]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Browsers: Google/Chrome and Mozilla/Firefox
[03:27]	schestowitz-pi2	the open source movement
[03:27]	schestowitz-pi2	yay! the github movement
[03:34]	techrights[sec]	So Google weighs in, via Mozilla.  Google was only possible because of FOSS but
[03:34]	techrights[sec]	there are so many microsofters there now that the culture has become decidedly
[03:34]	techrights[sec]	anti-FOSS and all the good people left ages ago.  
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	gulag laid off dibona
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	he was anti-rms
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	but their chief 'FOSS' person last I checked
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	Gulag has a nose for money
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	noithing else
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	it's not even gulag anymore
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	it's "ALPHABET"
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	and watch who was put in charge of YouTUbe
[03:35]	schestowitz-pi2	like Mozilla putting MARKETING and AD people from FB and Twitter in change of Firefox
[03:36]	techrights[sec]	The presence of M$ culture there also explains the pervasive sexual harassment 
[03:36]	techrights[sec]	and misconduct.  
[03:40]	techrights[sec]	.  Nym-shifting to avoid various things.
[03:42]	schestowitz-pi2	can you take a look at signs that fossda is revisionism?
[03:42]	schestowitz-pi2	then we can point out who's behind it
[03:42]	schestowitz-pi2	who funds it
[03:42]	schestowitz-pi2	and caution a priori
[03:42]	schestowitz-pi2	i saw the press release, foss force, then the mozilla thing i just linked to
[03:42]	schestowitz-pi2	it's still early enough for preventive 'strike'
[03:46]	techrights[sec]	THe microsofters present there can be called out as such and their antaganism 
[03:46]	techrights[sec]	to the movement, its principles, and (especially) its principals disqualifies
[03:46]	techrights[sec]	them even from participation let alone taking the lead.  Again, this looks like 
[03:46]	techrights[sec]	the main goal is rewriting history in the image of His Billness.
[03:46]	schestowitz-pi2	did they or she sign the anti-RMS petition?
[03:47]	schestowitz-pi2	also, if there already hostile material under that name/unberella?
[03:50]	schestowitz-pi2	does that mention work with Microsoft? 
[03:50]	schestowitz-pi2	or is it more like Breton removing the Rothschild Bank from his
[03:50]	schestowitz-pi2	resume?
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	Not sure yet.
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	Some background writing:
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	https://fossa.com/blog/oss-license-compliance-expert-heather-meeker-agpl/
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	and background material:
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	https://www.techlawpartners.com/heather
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	https://heathermeeker.com/a-brief-history-of-java-licensing/
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-OSS License Compliance Expert Heather Meeker on the AGPL - FOSSA
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techlawpartners.com | Heather Meeker Tech Law Partners LLP
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-heathermeeker.com | A Brief History of Java Licensing Copyleft Currents
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	https://heathermeeker.com/open-source-faq/what-should-my-company-know-about-open-source/
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-heathermeeker.com | What should my company know about open source? Copyleft Currents
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	https://heathermeeker.com/open-source-faq/what-are-the-most-difficult-questions-in-open-source-licensing/
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-heathermeeker.com | What are the most difficult questions in open source licensing? Copyleft Currents
[03:51]	techrights[sec]	https://heathermeeker.com/open-source-faq/basic-open-source-software-licensing/
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-heathermeeker.com | Basic open source software licensing Copyleft Currents
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	i followed her blog for years
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	iirc, she did 'consulting' or more for microsoft
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	she struck me as a corporate, nose-for-money shill 
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	not a community person
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	we "smell"
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	reminds me of sandler
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	getting millions on the backs of volunteers
[03:56]	schestowitz-pi2	without ever coding anything
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	licensing/
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	https://fossa.com/blog/heather-meeker-open-source-license-notices-automation/A      
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	missing: https://conferences.law.stanford.edu/bestpractices2021/sessions/track-3a/
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	some text, audio, and video:
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	https://www.pli.edu/faculty/heather-j.-meeker-i288590
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	But to answer the one question, her name does not seem to be on the anti-RMS
[03:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://fossa.com/blog/heather-meeker-open-source-license-notices-automation/a/ )
[03:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-conferences.law.stanford.edu | Track A: AI, IP, and Data Interoperability - Digital Economy Best Practices 2021 Digital Economy Best Practices 2021
[03:57]	techrights[sec]	letter.
[03:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pli.edu | Heather J. Meeker - Practising Law Institute
[03:58]	techrights[sec]	https://fossa.com/blog/heather-meeker-open-source-license-notices-automation/
[03:58]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Heather Meeker on Open Source License Notices and Automation - FOSSA
● Feb 24
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	just want to be sure we would not be over-reacting
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	and have remorse later
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	maybe it's a case of,
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	let's wait and see
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	judge the site/s by what it says
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	microsoft stefano, i gave lots of chace to him btw, even welcomed him to osi
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	but he turned out to be just a waterboy of bill and lolita 
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	$150k a year does things to people who used to be reasonable
[04:01]	schestowitz-pi2	iirc, for sandler it was $220,000 a year in 2020
[04:02]	techrights[sec]	Sure.  Best to investigate first and be sure one way or another.
[04:02]	techrights[sec]	ack
[04:03]	schestowitz-pi2	if later on FOSSDA turns out to be rogue at least we have some material ready to give possible
[04:03]	schestowitz-pi2	explanation
[04:03]	schestowitz-pi2	inc. professional background and funding source (Alphabet Mozilla)
[04:08]	techrights[sec]	youtube.com/watch?v=TAwzfIqx8K8
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR]	Presented by Heather Meeker, General Partner, OSS Capital & FOSSDAFOSSDA -- the Free and Open Source Stories Digital Archive -- is an oral history project fo...
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR]	Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?youtube.com/watch?v=TAwzfIqx8K8
[04:22]	techrights[sec]	Most unfortunately the "survey" linked  to at the FOSSDA site is run by
[04:22]	techrights[sec]	mailchimp
[04:22]	techrights[sec]	so it is blocked by a lot of proprietary javascript as well as not under the  
[04:22]	techrights[sec]	control of FOSSDA, who knows what information Mailchimp collects and then sells
[04:22]	schestowitz-pi2	mozilla uses github (micreosoft) for "telemetry"
[04:22]	schestowitz-pi2	thes epeople talk legalete
[04:22]	schestowitz-pi2	*legalese
[04:22]	schestowitz-pi2	they are not "activists"
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	The site may say FOSS but the text of the survey is only about OSS
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	Well, by focussing only on OSS, they exclude the FOSS community itself. 
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	by definition.  
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	That said, I hope they can get Larry Wall interviewed, and that they are 
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	able to rephrase their wording and branding such that the original FOSS    
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	community from back before OSS was even a thing and it was only FS can 
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	participate.
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	Seriously that's a small but useful action that the FSF could take.  
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	Who remains at the FSF that could do such outreach?
[04:27]	techrights[sec]	The videos are hosted over on www.aviaryplatform.com :(
[04:29]	techrights[sec]	No connections to people who can self-host apparently
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	for most things, self-hosting is not even that hard
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	there are far more complex tasks out there
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	and many people who are out of the workforce know how to deploy and self-host
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	they just need to be paid properly
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	just moments ago in kitchen |just protein shake) i was thinking of sirius
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	how they never rewarded workers for working extra
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	like solving issues
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	improving perf
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	or adding some features
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	no promotion
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	no bonus
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	same salary as in 2011
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	if not lower!
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	how does a company like this expect to motivate staff?
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	people will embrace the "just enough" mindset
[04:32]	schestowitz-pi2	and "minimum not to get in trouble"
[04:33]	schestowitz-pi2	dilbert
[04:34]	techrights[sec]	The bar for that is low and yet it was not reached.
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	last year, about 3 times, I kept telling them 
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	you can NEVER hire any talent or staff worth a f*
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	given how the company is run
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	and indeed, turned out they had lied about trying to
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	said they'd look into hiring
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	then admitting they had not even started
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	we were becoming understaffed and unmotivated
[04:34]	schestowitz-pi2	all of us
[04:36]	techrights[sec]	It doesn't.  It merely exploits them.
[04:36]	techrights[sec]	Once thatr "minimum not to get in trouble" becomes an established culture,
[04:36]	techrights[sec]	the nation infected with it is a goner.  
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	i have just checked companies house
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	for any further filings 
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	none yet
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	i have a bottleneck on the pension thing
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	as ex-colleague is looking into one pension that 'vanished'
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	if we find it, then the nature of the others' scandal will be different
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	this is painfully slow
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	much likie pensions
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	the ever-expanding window, like "40 years from now"
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	if... if....
[04:41]	schestowitz-pi2	Putin, NATO, hyper-inflation...
[04:42]	psydruid	schestowitz-pi2: I like both teams, but Ten Hag has done something remarkable and made a team out of the players that actually plays football again
[04:43]	psydruid	as he has done countless times here in the Netherlands as well as in his time at Bayern, when he was coaching the second team while Pep was coaching the first team
[04:46]	schestowitz-pi2	now they are in the same City(TM)
[04:50]	schestowitz-TR2	The oligarchs' media: make more people take more debt https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/02/23/an-aging-population-poses-issues-just-like-the-baby-boom-did/ | Source: Counter Punch
[04:50]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-An Aging Population Poses Issues, Just Like the Baby Boom Did - CounterPunch.org
● Feb 24
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	the fish is still going
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	made is past 1.5 years today
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	just put her in pyrex with epson salt
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	to help defeat the parasite
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	unless it's too late already
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	seems like a miracle she has come this far
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	96 hours since isolation
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	no food, not eating, no poo either
[05:37]	schestowitz-pi2	/*epsom
[05:38]	schestowitz-pi2	sometimes we try a fresh large flake
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[08:33]	schestowitz-pi2	today'snational publishers
[08:33]	schestowitz-pi2	are short
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	short of details too
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	if they cover a technical matter, no technical details
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	we know there was outage
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	the customers affected know why
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	but what happened?
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	who is to blame?
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	it's hard to get answers out of companies
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	they typicall insist "it's back"
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	and refuse to provider any details
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	I had such experience but forgot... cannot name them
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	sirius did this to client too
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	"it's back, don't ask what happened or whose fault"
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	"shit happened..."
[08:34]	schestowitz-pi2	they keep info from getting out using threats, intimidating, spsying, or perception of these
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[11:30]	schestowitz-pi2	db 
[11:30]	schestowitz-pi2	my video notes atm:
[11:30]	schestowitz-pi2	videos suepo+epo
[11:30]	schestowitz-pi2	epo wiki
[11:30]	schestowitz-pi2	campinos
[11:30]	schestowitz-pi2	videos scale
[11:31]	schestowitz-pi2	that latter is SCALE
[11:31]	schestowitz-pi2	is there anything left to be said about it though?
[11:31]	schestowitz-pi2	we'll probably have many EPO leaks this year
[11:31]	schestowitz-pi2	and another round of github layoffs later in the year
[11:31]	techrights[sec]	Nothing that I can think of on the spot
[11:31]	schestowitz-pi2	other than that, and maybe pluton, i see not much "annoying" in the news
[11:31]	schestowitz-pi2	hope it stays that way
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	seeing the latest from Economist
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	i think aloud
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	is this the cliff edge for youtube
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	it's not growing revenue is down, ads up
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	and i don't see that changing
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	except as a tool of (propaganda) war
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	russia saw the threat and has "tube" of its own
[11:35]	schestowitz-pi2	but youtube could swallow massive losses and expand to every country on the planet
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	that's why on monday i thought they might have another go at "preiums" of some kind
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	passing more costs eiother to watchers or "creators"
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	not sure which
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	the new manager seem unfit and unqualified
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	unless the goal is "product"
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	that is what they call video hosting? PRODUCT?
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	YouTube produces NOTHING
[11:40]	schestowitz-pi2	at least netflix uses to produce a LITTLE
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	And Youtube's storage costs are only ever rising  
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	However, it has too many ads to effectively serve as a propaganda channel.
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	The ads prevent people from watching the service in general and drives away
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	much of the potential audience.  It's not ads in and of themsevles, people put
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	up with those, it's the excessive amount and intrusive implementation.
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	So if it loses too much of its value as a propaganda medium, the bailouts 
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	will cease.
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	See Rossmann's latest complaint about Youtub:
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	 "Google okays human trafficking, bans independent repair - MAKES SENSE!"
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/google-okays-human-trafficking,-bans:8
[11:43]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Google okays human trafficking, bans independent repair - MAKES SENSE!
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	"creators" are moving away, forced away really, and what's left then?
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	If the plan is to pull the plug then it does not matter if they have 
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	appointed an unqualified marketeer to head the unit. 
[11:43]	techrights[sec]	The product would be the propaganda and steering the recommendation algorithms
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	yes, that one video (saw title, did not click) was in my mind also
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	they drive away the sort of "rare" stuff you don't and won't get on national
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	broadcast 
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	as if the goal is to compere with TV channels
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	that won't work!
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	btw, today i logged in to isp www 'site' (JS)
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	to check phone bill etc.
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	they stick popups these, trying to upsell
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	and they mention "netflix" by name
[11:44]	schestowitz-pi2	yay!
[11:44]	techrights[sec]	Not even rare stuff.  
[11:46]	schestowitz-pi2	i sort of worry and not worry about it
[11:46]	schestowitz-pi2	i'm barely a stakeholder in that outcome
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	based on 100 days in apachetop TR does 2mb/sec, mostly videos
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	now 1.9mb/sec
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	and a lot is old videos
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	i don't need to worry about "moderation" or host changing ToS
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	with this fast connection i will also habitually rsync the whole lot as insurance
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	dns+hosting
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	dns is not owned by a company
[11:47]	schestowitz-pi2	(per se)
[11:47]	techrights[sec]	NO, exactly, but domains can still end up in trouble via the wrong hosting
[11:47]	techrights[sec]	provider.  
[11:47]	techrights[sec]	s/NO/No/
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	without dns there is ipfs
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	was gonna mention this, but not important enough to bother you with,
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	ipfs regain some reliability 2 days ago
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	prior to this it would sometimes time out on remote requests
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	as conflicts escalate ipfs MIGHT become more attractive
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	balkanised Web and all
[11:49]	schestowitz-pi2	the LE/CA issue was brought up again today, in #techrights
[11:50]	techrights[sec]	or registrar  
[11:50]	techrights[sec]	IPFS is too fringe, impossile to use, and doesn't scale.
[11:50]	techrights[sec]	^ that's all I know about IPFS      
[11:50]	techrights[sec]	Certificate authorities and how they are mismanaged in browsers negate
[11:50]	techrights[sec]	any potential privacy in browsers, and that IMHO is on purpose these days
[11:50]	techrights[sec]	or it would have been redesigned long ago already
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	fringe is better than universally deplatformed, persona non grata
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	i know from clients, thankfully, what aws and clownflare do
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	many use this crap, also for CAs
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	never mind godaddy
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	awful company!
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	the chain of packet exchange means censorship, spying etc.
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	mostly by the US
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	evcerything gets routed through there
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	unless it is very very fringe of highly techjnical
[11:52]	schestowitz-pi2	*or
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	moz is advancing this fraud of 'secure' or 'private' DNS
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	with preloaded options
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	guess which LOL!
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	I got the latest ff ESR in Deb11
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	wtf?? this is not free software 
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	it's a genderless "fox" logo
[11:53]	schestowitz-pi2	that rides the old brand
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	ftr: clownflare is mitm for DNS, www traffic, CAs, even IPFS
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	they also toy around with other protocols
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	they LOSE money
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	the longer they operate, the poorer they becomee
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	never mind all this "potential" or "inertia"
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	that's MBA BS
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	The Empire is willing to lose money just to make sure you cannot make any
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	and they are very very mean 
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	(Clingely.... about Microsoft ;-) )
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	same mindset
[11:58]	schestowitz-pi2	zero-sumism
● Feb 24
[12:06]	techrights[sec]	Clownflare is a *very* pervasive problem nowadays and blocks / monitors an 
[12:06]	techrights[sec]	an overwhelming majority of sites' traffic, both coming and going
[12:06]	schestowitz-pi2	(fish still not eating, but looks surprisingly healthy on the surface)
[12:06]	schestowitz-pi2	clownflare has gotten only more aggressive over time
[12:06]	schestowitz-pi2	i ranted in irc the other day because the w3c validator, which I've used
[12:06]	schestowitz-pi2	a lot since... like forever? ... got put behind clownflare JS crap, sometimes
[12:06]	schestowitz-pi2	"pick plane/truck..." ... about 2 years ago
[12:07]	schestowitz-pi2	it's not compatible with falkon
[12:07]	schestowitz-pi2	so i need to still open firefox sometimes 
[12:07]	schestowitz-pi2	in the past it did its own thing but 1-2 weeks ago it started asking me to click
[12:07]	schestowitz-pi2	on thigns.... all this just to check my posts have valid xhtml
[12:07]	schestowitz-pi2	clownflare is STILL losing money
[12:07]	schestowitz-pi2	IMAGINE what would happen if it started to 'CASH IN'
[12:09]	techrights[sec]	Yes, it blocks the W3C validators, all of them, from use.
[12:09]	techrights[sec]	If you do not let their javascripts run wild on your system then they deny
[12:09]	techrights[sec]	access to the RSS and Atom feed validators.
[12:09]	techrights[sec]	I suspect it already is cashing in with some level of surveillance and
[12:09]	techrights[sec]	perhaps minor encouragement of some sites and discouragement of others.
[12:33]	techrights[sec]	Some sites' visitors can get more trouble and others given an easier time,
[12:33]	techrights[sec]	and when done at scale that will affect the amount of visitors that stick around
[12:33]	techrights[sec]	and or come back, and in that way the topics those sites covered either 
[12:33]	techrights[sec]	enhanced or suppressed. 
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	rianne and i becaame familiar with the proprietary back end (web-based, not the back-end of clownflare
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	the compan) at CF
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	but correct me if I am wrong;
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	the webmaster selects mode
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	like one that blocks tor
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	but the CF "HEY HI" then uses heuristics to discriminate against the visitor
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	some get capcha
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	some not
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	some blocked
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	some need to click
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	and it depends on page 
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	ane gelocation
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	and history
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	say, if you visit the site many times a day
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	or ip/cookie got you "flagged"
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	this gives CF lots of leeway for mass manipulation
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	while
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	1) pretending to be neutral
[12:36]	schestowitz-pi2	2) saying the webmaster is in complete control of this
[12:45]	schestowitz-pi2	feeling productive this past week in spite of not doing many videos/articles, it's not the only thing that "cou
[12:45]	schestowitz-pi2	nts"
● Feb 24
[13:01]	schestowitz-pi2	";next weds morning, 9am-1pm ish, will be afk; rianne's ceremony, friend joining us (athlete); confirmed 
[13:01]	schestowitz-pi2	today
[13:10]	schestowitz-pi2	who was the sesame street guy who was 'reobbed'?
[13:10]	schestowitz-pi2	i searx'ed it
[13:10]	schestowitz-pi2	many refs to Morriset, who died a month ago
[13:10]	schestowitz-pi2	says he was co-founder o
[13:10]	schestowitz-pi2	of it
[13:11]	techrights[sec]	When?
[13:11]	techrights[sec]	The one guy was basically killed by Disney.  The stress they put him under 
[13:11]	techrights[sec]	sent him to the grave, according to his business / creative partner.
[13:12]	schestowitz-pi2	this was mentioned in re star wars and lucasfilm
[13:16]	techrights[sec]	Was it this?
[13:16]	techrights[sec]	https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/19/big-bird-missing-costume-stolen/
[13:16]	techrights[sec]	Or was it this?
[13:16]	techrights[sec]	https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/frank-oz-muppets-disney-jim-henson-b1911118.html
[13:16]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.washingtonpost.com | Sesame Street Big Bird costume stolen from childrens circus in Australia - The Washington Post
[13:16]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.independent.co.uk | Disneys attempt to buy The Muppets is probably what killed Jim Henson, claims Frank Oz | The Independent
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	benson is the well known one that i had in mind
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	but another "co" founder died last month in his 90s
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	this is, imho, very relevant to foss or tech at large
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	many companies taken away from their founders
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	by "vultures" and "activist" investors or hedge funds
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	noorda, danger/rubin, cannot recall the docker guy's name atm ... does not matter
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	rms, lbt work in progress
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	rms is 70 on march 16
[13:17]	schestowitz-pi2	so they can "time him out"
[13:18]	techrights[sec]	Or was it this?
[13:18]	techrights[sec]	https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/frank-oz-muppets-disney-jim-henson-b1911118.html
[13:18]	techrights[sec]	Or was it this?
[13:18]	techrights[sec]	https://text.npr.org/2023/01/26/1151803288/sesame-street-co-creator-lloyd-morrisett-has-died-at-age-93
[13:18]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | 'Sesame Street' co-creator Lloyd Morrisett has died at age 93
[13:18]	techrights[sec]	And then rewrite him out of history with the help of many paid and unpaid weasels
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	that is what microsoft did to the mojang/minecraft founder
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	after he had opened his mouth
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	i'm not expert in this
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	but someone who knows the story told me
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	and somehow it's possible to still get the real facts on it
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	wqeasels and "vessels"
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	like the "books" about how netscape and nokia harmed themselves
[13:20]	schestowitz-pi2	or how torvalds basically ripped off a lecturer from the NL
[13:23]	techrights[sec]	Those books are easily debunked but because the  paid-for lies exist in printed
[13:23]	techrights[sec]	form they are harder to fight and those books persist (and their damage) persist
[13:23]	techrights[sec]	for years.
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	it is in a book, not a blog post, "SO IT MUST BE TRUE"
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	a "PUBLISHER" invested in it!
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	the battle over authority or perceived authority
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	pocock noted that when big names like "Tor" and "Debian" formally accuse you of something
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	it is hard to shake off the message
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	the same is true for some publishers, courts/govs
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	even if you are innocent
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	what's good about TR is, it does not need to "GiveAShit"(TM) about this
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	as the track record is OK
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	and we don't rely on social control media/conde nast etc.
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	rss, gemini etc.
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	if I 'fell under a bus', i am sure you and rianne can keep it going
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	the goal is to get people to push on the messages
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	e.g. on why the CA model may be flawed
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	because, in general, lies might travel faster
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	but they don't stick/persist
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	when the PR budget is gone, e.g. novell gone under, no amount of spin will prevail
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	let alone a site novell.com
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	black duck employees were moaning to me that i was destroying them (they should not say this; it
[13:28]	schestowitz-pi2	merely emboldens the person to carry on!)
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[13:48]	schestowitz-pi2	would the assertion, as below, be accurate or total BS:
[13:48]	schestowitz-pi2	one way to crush X is to associate the movement or grassroots around it with negative stuff
[13:48]	schestowitz-pi2	means to achieve that: brand confusion, division, distraction
[13:48]	schestowitz-pi2	i can think of non-tech parables
[13:48]	schestowitz-pi2	whether there is a coordinated effort against fs and other tech activism is hard to determine
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	without leaks like halloween docs
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	youtube is very shaky ground for any form of activism
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	people end up self-censoring 
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	even benign things like discussing how apple spies on your files
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	or how to repair a device that broke
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	in youtube, channels come and go all the time, based on "algorithms"
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	a planned "outcome", top-to-bottom
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	but i disgress somewhat
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	notice how the debate about feminism, climate, and antiwar changes
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	binary pro- and anti-putin, politics about how many bathrooms stalls are needed,
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	and 'activism' for climate like pouring paint on drawings
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	guess which things the media devotes the EMPHASIS
[13:49]	schestowitz-pi2	like "billy is bad coz [strawman"
[13:49]	techrights[sec]	The defeat comes through associating the projects and their goals with 
[13:49]	techrights[sec]	irrelevant (to the project) divisive goals.  Divide and conquer.
[13:50]	schestowitz-pi2	see latest blog post from lxoliva
[13:50]	schestowitz-pi2	ge covered it in re fsf
[13:50]	schestowitz-pi2	*he
[13:57]	schestowitz-pi2	<techrights-news> "Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is having another senior moment. He judges Free software only by the catalogue that Microsoft controls, using proprietary software. He needs to retire to avoid alienating the few who still trusted his writings." https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/24/who_writes_open_source/
[13:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Who writes Linux and open source software? The Register
● Feb 24
[14:07]	schestowitz-pi2	<techrights-news> SJVN is either willfully ignorant or lying; judging Microsoft "contributions" based only on what it is controlling in its platform is propaganda that goes back to 2014, when it made plans to buy the company; those who don't trust Microsoft don't host anything there and SJVN does not count them. How foolish. This is not your daddy's "SJVN"; this is a clown. https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/24/who_writes_open_source/
[14:08]	techrights[sec]	checking
[14:08]	techrights[sec]	The latest Oliva blog post: https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2022-12-26-digital-vegan-walled-culture.en.
[14:08]	techrights[sec]	html
[14:08]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: Digital Vegan, Walled Culture
[14:09]	schestowitz-pi2	sorry, maybe the one before that
[14:09]	schestowitz-pi2	about fsf
[14:09]	schestowitz-pi2	and how people tried to derail it
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	it was over a month ago 
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	i reposted it in TR
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	appeasing trolls is pointless
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	it alienates people
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	and you appease nobody, except you think you do
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	referring to singular person as plural and saying it "with the wrong tone or attitude"
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	is just another perceived sin
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	hateful people who tear things down would look for any excuse
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	and best thing is, change the subject to what matters
[14:19]	schestowitz-pi2	madness belongs in the asylum
[14:24]	techrights[sec]	Appeasment is always a losing proposition.  
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	compromise is almost a synonym
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	but either way, in this case, "meeting half way" is meaningless
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	like theist meeting half way with atheist
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	or agreeing that science and pseudo-science can co-exist
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	better todebate other scientists
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	even if >50% of the nation believes in shit like rapture
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	science is not based on "market share" or surveys
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	or "public opinion"
[14:26]	schestowitz-pi2	code does not give a shit, either
[14:31]	schestowitz-pi2	<techrights-news> New York Times just put itself in a hot spot by giving platform to divisive nonsense https://www.thenation.com/article/society/new-york-times-open-letter-more-to-say/ | Source: The Nation
[14:31]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | I Signed the New York Times Open Letter. I Have More to Say. | The Nation
[14:36]	schestowitz-pi2	<techrights-news> "great resignation" as a great Big Lie https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/02/24/on-the-great-resignation-interrogating-the-neoliberal-narrative/ | Source: Counter Punch
[14:36]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-On the Great Resignation: Interrogating the Neoliberal Narrative - CounterPunch.org
[14:36]	schestowitz-pi2	terrible lie
[14:36]	schestowitz-pi2	nobody even uses that term after the dece-feb wave of layoffs
[14:36]	schestowitz-pi2	as it would not hold water
[14:42]	schestowitz-pi2	news inn uk nation media today: price of paste to double
[14:42]	schestowitz-pi2	beyond our control, but let's hope the war ends soon
[14:42]	schestowitz-pi2	not a full recovery, but less bloodshed
[14:42]	schestowitz-pi2	*pasta, not paste
[14:57]	schestowitz-pi2	<techrights-news> Neoliberals Declared War on the Poor https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/02/24/when-neoliberals-declared-war-on-the-poor/ | Source: Counter Punch
[14:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-When Neoliberals Declared War on the Poor - CounterPunch.org
● Feb 24
[17:27]	schestowitz-pi2	will be afk soon
[17:27]	schestowitz-pi2	fish still ok
[17:27]	schestowitz-pi2	almost 5 days in hospital
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