●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 24, 2022 ●● ● Jun 24 [01:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 24 [03:05] schestowitz-TR Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/24/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-increased-68-44-so-far-this-month/ [03:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month ● Jun 24 [04:13] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:14] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-ganu55.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:55] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:55] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 24 [05:34] Techrights-sec2 a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on [05:34] Techrights-sec2 GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done [05:34] Techrights-sec2 It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible [05:34] Techrights-sec2 But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked [05:34] Techrights-sec2 a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on [05:34] Techrights-sec2 GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done [05:34] Techrights-sec2 It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible [05:34] Techrights-sec2 But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked [05:35] schestowitz-TR Microsoft can now interfere directly, no need for lobbyists [05:35] schestowitz-TR they can censor people with CoC etc [05:49] Techrights-sec2 yes the right way would be for the congress to host its own Git service and own [05:49] Techrights-sec2 issue tracker ● Jun 24 [06:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:51] schestowitz-TR do you find the latest epo coverage illumating wrt the issues? [06:51] schestowitz-TR or do you suggest improving it for general audiences? [06:54] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 24 [07:18] Techrights-sec2 checking [07:18] Techrights-sec2 some additional general audience posts would help. the current ones are good [07:18] Techrights-sec2 of course but some specifically made for general audiences would always [07:18] Techrights-sec2 be beneficial for outreach [07:18] Techrights-sec2 I'm starting to see just how catastrophic the reduction in skilled / knowledgeable ICT people is world-wide; There are few to none forthcoming through off [07:18] Techrights-sec2 icial [07:18] Techrights-sec2 channels and many of the official pipelines are set up to cull out people with [07:18] Techrights-sec2 interest + talent so that only microsoft resellers remain with credentials [07:21] schestowitz-TR you say "resellers" [07:21] schestowitz-TR in my experience, it's not limited to "Microsoft" [07:21] schestowitz-TR but buzzwords and cargo cults like SaaS (outSaarCing) and clown [07:21] schestowitz-TR which means there is lessened likelihood of companies having any infra at all [07:21] schestowitz-TR never mind the fake security BS [07:21] schestowitz-TR which I am starting to loathe more and more [07:21] schestowitz-TR seems like more and more data collection/spying [07:21] schestowitz-TR sold to us as "security" [07:21] schestowitz-TR even at shops [07:21] schestowitz-TR re epo, we have a intro you wrote in 2011, still at top of wiki listings [07:21] schestowitz-TR being a wiki, it can be expanded upon [07:21] schestowitz-TR main barrier is lack of media participation [07:21] schestowitz-TR we cannot bribe or "buy" space like EPO or LF or Microsoft/ICBM [07:22] Techrights-sec2 yes but occasional summaries of current events, tying them to the old intro, [07:22] Techrights-sec2 would be attractive; the logical fallacy 'appeal to novelty' is valid [07:22] Techrights-sec2 yes lack of media participation is still a problem but they won't look at "old" [07:22] Techrights-sec2 news only "new" news so the posts have to be new [07:24] schestowitz-TR Snowden leaks are "old" :) [07:24] schestowitz-TR WW2 is "old" [07:24] schestowitz-TR Esptein's circle is "old" [07:24] schestowitz-TR BTW, good news about netflix [07:24] schestowitz-TR all those bubbleCorps need to die [07:24] schestowitz-TR not get bailed out [07:24] schestowitz-TR make no money? [07:24] schestowitz-TR then WTF are you still doing in business? [07:24] schestowitz-TR you are a yoke! [07:24] Techrights-sec2 https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Novelty [07:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.logicallyfallacious.com | Appeal to Novelty [07:26] schestowitz-TR TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty" [07:26] schestowitz-TR and also some memes [07:26] schestowitz-TR with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before [07:26] schestowitz-TR ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps" [07:26] schestowitz-TR reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers [07:26] schestowitz-TR TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty" [07:26] schestowitz-TR and also some memes [07:26] schestowitz-TR with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before [07:26] schestowitz-TR ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps" [07:26] schestowitz-TR reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers [07:27] Techrights-sec2 For over 20 years, the appeal to novely fallacy has been the backbone of [07:27] Techrights-sec2 sales in computer hardware and proprietary software; Thus there are several [07:27] Techrights-sec2 work generations of people trained to accept it. So the cost of doing out [07:27] Techrights-sec2 reach is the occasional "new" article/ [07:27] Techrights-sec2 Something better than ytalk could be made with python and mqtt; the bash-based [07:27] Techrights-sec2 test showed that but Bash alone was not quite up to the task. [07:29] Techrights-sec2 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty [07:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rationalwiki.org | Appeal to novelty - RationalWiki [07:29] schestowitz-TR "The Famine Is Coming" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/global_food_shortage_crisis_ukraine_russia | Source: Democracy Now [07:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | The Famine Is Coming: War in Ukraine & Climate Crisis Contribute to Food Insecurity in Somalia | Democracy Now! [07:31] schestowitz-TR the depressiing news is coming [07:31] schestowitz-TR but I posted one batch of links already [07:31] schestowitz-TR I need to leave a pocket of time available constantly [07:31] schestowitz-TR for breaking epo news [07:35] schestowitz-TR for people to whom expensive food means no food desperate measures open up [07:35] schestowitz-TR murders, smuggling, theft, hoarding, revolutions [07:35] schestowitz-TR ukraine was a grain capital for some [07:35] schestowitz-TR and then there's the gas prices [07:35] schestowitz-TR I hope we can keep those expenses down with discounts and smarter usage [07:35] schestowitz-TR to avoid burning away savings [07:35] schestowitz-TR I always lugh at "smart" meters "saving energy"; afaik, they are powered by... electricity ;-) [07:37] Techrights-sec2 Yes, EPO news is among the highest priority; TR is uniquely positioned to [07:37] Techrights-sec2 cover it [07:37] Techrights-sec2 yep food shortages mean more wars and human trafficking, as well as useful idiots feeding both [07:37] Techrights-sec2 Ukraine also produced neon which was used for semiconductor manufacturing [07:37] Techrights-sec2 I don't see any benefit from the attributes associated with "smart" meters [07:37] Techrights-sec2 there is a long list of disadvantages, though [07:43] schestowitz-TR we wrote a lot about it [07:43] schestowitz-TR to complement we can add more daily links, yesterday we did about 5 batches and this past week more than 20 [07:43] schestowitz-TR I think this tempo is healthier as it puts important news in titles, e.g. release of xyz [07:43] schestowitz-TR I know many people who read these over rss [07:43] schestowitz-TR it is quite a unique thing in the free software world [07:43] schestowitz-TR some tried to emulate it over the years but gave up [07:43] schestowitz-TR it did not scale, they did not have the tools, the feeds etc. [07:43] schestowitz-TR or the time [07:43] schestowitz-TR sometimes I see articles about "smart" cars [07:43] schestowitz-TR or "autonomous" cars [07:43] schestowitz-TR I have hands-on experiencece (programming) with the latter [07:43] schestowitz-TR it's BS [07:43] schestowitz-TR like face rec [07:43] schestowitz-TR soem of the methods envisioned are unbelievable! [07:43] schestowitz-TR like connected ALL the cars [07:43] schestowitz-TR and manage them in "the clown" [07:43] schestowitz-TR like "smart" assistants which do all the processing in server farms [07:43] schestowitz-TR meaning the audio is retained somewhere [07:43] schestowitz-TR not by accident [07:43] schestowitz-TR to them, it's spying. to you, it's "savings" (offloading) [07:43] schestowitz-TR there are already listening devices in a lot of cars [07:43] schestowitz-TR you can insurance "discounts" for playing ball [07:45] schestowitz-TR 1) a car on the road that's remotely controlled can be used to kill you in your "dumb" car [07:46] schestowitz-TR 2) this is not limited to cars (anymore?) as homes have devices in them that can be used [07:46] schestowitz-TR to convict/frame tenants [07:49] schestowitz-TR Food Shortage or Economic Crisis https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate | Source: Democracy Now [07:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now! [07:53] schestowitz-TR reinforced by MAD MAX [07:53] schestowitz-TR as if you can eat cars and oil [07:54] Techrights-sec2 MadMax was always confusing, the show would have ended after a few days once the [07:54] Techrights-sec2 fuel tanks ran empty; again that goes to much of the world holding cars so [07:54] Techrights-sec2 sacred and holy that they cannot even imagine the idea of no fuel even in a [07:54] Techrights-sec2 "post-apocolyptic" collapse [07:55] schestowitz-TR don't worry, they'll stock up on it... in plastic bags if necessary ;-) [07:55] schestowitz-TR chemistry 101 [07:55] Techrights-sec2 yes; those 55-gallon trashbags are cheap and can hold lots of fuel for use [07:55] Techrights-sec2 later; :/ [07:56] schestowitz-TR Mad Max plastgic bag edition [07:56] Techrights-sec2 https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/government-urges-people-not-to-fill-up-plastic-bags-with-gasoline/ [07:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Government Urges People Not To Fill Up Plastic Bags With Gasoline | Carscoops [07:58] schestowitz-TR EFF is dead to me. Recommends Privacy-Infringing Microsoft-Run DuckDuckGo that spies on you!! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/security-and-privacy-tips-people-seeking-abortion | Source: EFF [07:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Security and Privacy Tips for People Seeking An Abortion | Electronic Frontier Foundation [07:58] schestowitz-TR same gov. that needed to tell people in FL not to fire their rifles at the hurricane [07:58] schestowitz-TR I wonder if any planes or birds got hitr [07:58] schestowitz-TR bunch of geico cavemen [07:58] Techrights-sec2 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-nuking-hurricanes-1535171 [07:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Fact-Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest Nuking Hurricanes? [07:59] Techrights-sec2 EFF has been running opposite to its charter for a long time [07:59] Techrights-sec2 It's not incompetence, it's malice ● Jun 24 [08:00] schestowitz-TR Why did EFF leave out Microsoft??? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/bipartisan-digital-advertising-act-would-break-big-trackers | Source: EFF [08:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | The Bipartisan Digital Advertising Act Would Break Up Big Trackers | Electronic Frontier Foundation [08:06] Techrights-sec2 EFF probably has M$ sympathizers working against digital freedom from the inside [08:06] Techrights-sec2 :( [08:06] Techrights-sec2 PBS also is thoroughly infiltrated [08:07] schestowitz-TR publicaccess put a Microsoft employee inside the board [08:07] schestowitz-TR the rats infest the orgs [08:07] schestowitz-TR PBS is literally bribed by Bill Gates [08:07] schestowitz-TR for over a decade already [08:07] schestowitz-TR maybe the bribes could be funneled via Jeffrey Esptein [08:07] schestowitz-TR oh, wait [08:07] schestowitz-TR no. [08:07] schestowitz-TR "well, he's dead" [08:08] Techrights-sec2 not just that, but infiltrated at the staff level [08:08] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:11] schestowitz-TR the media as a whole has become a catastrophic clusterfuck [08:11] schestowitz-TR where you just buy articles about yourself [08:11] schestowitz-TR I mentioned this in the 30-min video last night [08:11] schestowitz-TR and the solution to this, imho, is rejection of such media [08:12] schestowitz-TR but it uses its size to invade everything [08:12] schestowitz-TR e.g. zer-rating [08:12] Techrights-sec2 that's a natural and predictable progression from moving to ad-based revenue [08:14] schestowitz-TR i mentioned bbc a lot [08:14] schestowitz-TR and how it spikes epo coverage [08:14] schestowitz-TR bbc (yes, layoffs!) violated its charter [08:14] schestowitz-TR while using tax money to run (TV Licensing) it also took bribes from criminals like Gates [08:14] schestowitz-TR and poorly vetted managers [08:14] schestowitz-TR e.g. people from Microsoft UK [08:14] schestowitz-TR as if this won't leave to issues [08:14] schestowitz-TR so I boytcott the billBC entirely these days [08:14] schestowitz-TR also for footbal and weather [08:14] schestowitz-TR and I urge others to do the same [08:14] schestowitz-TR rianne still reads it though [08:15] Techrights-sec2 I skim one page of it but generally avoid picking any artice if they are [08:15] Techrights-sec2 available elsewhere [08:15] schestowitz-TR the risk of brain brainwashed by bad actors like Microsoft and rogues like Gates is just too high [08:15] schestowitz-TR I would not even enter any address of bbc [08:15] Techrights-sec2 yes [08:15] Techrights-sec2 and, by the way, the links on their main page are /still/ broken even after [08:15] Techrights-sec2 all these years; It is clear they have not competent management and no [08:15] Techrights-sec2 comptetent IT staff and *no one* in between who gives a shit [08:16] schestowitz-TR farnell USED to work there [08:16] schestowitz-TR I know abother person in USENET who did [08:16] schestowitz-TR now instead of tech they havr resellers [08:16] schestowitz-TR like iPlayer scandals [08:18] Techrights-sec2 I know at least one person who worked there but that was decades ago back [08:18] Techrights-sec2 when it was of reasonably high quality [08:18] Techrights-sec2 Even more than PBS, BBC has been infiltrated by microsofters [08:18] Techrights-sec2 at the staff and management levels [08:23] schestowitz-TR this past week I saw 2 or 3 new spam domains that plagiarise news [08:23] schestowitz-TR I did not add to spamSites [08:23] schestowitz-TR as I do not know if you funnel in anything form gulag noise [08:23] schestowitz-TR but over time I think we can develop a better workflow and somehow organise news [08:23] schestowitz-TR with focus on s/w [08:23] schestowitz-TR not brands, real software [08:23] Techrights-sec2 It'd be good to add them to spam sites, because I have seen quite a few new [08:23] Techrights-sec2 spam domains recenly also [08:23] schestowitz-TR OK, if I see these a second or third time I will add [08:23] schestowitz-TR maybe they get culled fast enough [08:24] Techrights-sec2 Though maybe the threshold for adding ought to be if they are slick enough to [08:24] Techrights-sec2 get through once, then they can be added to ensure that it does not happen again [08:24] Techrights-sec2 Some are still around. About once a week the spamsite checking script catches [08:24] Techrights-sec2 one that would have otherwise gotten through. I notice that many such sites [08:24] Techrights-sec2 are trying to piggyback on FOSS to get through somehow. Also, the [08:24] Techrights-sec2 Bill Gates testimony videos appear to be circulated by fringe groups, probably [08:24] Techrights-sec2 in an attempt to further marginalize criticism of His Billness [08:28] Techrights-sec2 on another topic the publisher Springer pushes some DOCX variant [08:29] schestowitz-TR for full published words? [08:29] schestowitz-TR or drafts of some kind? [08:30] schestowitz-TR *works [08:33] schestowitz-TR "People who have never even been charged with a crime can have their life savings taken away. Thats civil asset forfeiture." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/23/john-kiriakou-robbed-by-law-enforcement/ | Source: Scheerpost [08:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-John Kiriakou: Robbed by Law Enforcement scheerpost.com [08:35] Techrights-sec2 for "Electronic Supplementary Material" [08:35] schestowitz-TR springer = sharecropping [08:35] schestowitz-TR a friend of mine published a book with them [08:36] schestowitz-TR it did not sell well (they do not market) [08:36] schestowitz-TR and they take the lion's share of money [08:36] schestowitz-TR i think they just print on demand [08:36] schestowitz-TR it's a parasitic company [08:36] Techrights-sec2 yes Springer is not healthy for higher institutions [08:36] schestowitz-TR privatising surplus, like patents pursued by unix [08:36] schestowitz-TR *unis [08:40] Techrights-sec2 patents are usually never held by the universities which set them up [08:40] Techrights-sec2 they are usually spun off into a startup so that the profits elude [08:40] Techrights-sec2 the financer [08:40] Techrights-sec2 and ensure that there is no economic return for the university [08:40] Techrights-sec2 they stand for the cost; sadly they are less involved with basic research these [08:40] Techrights-sec2 days and more and more for inappropriate business development [08:42] schestowitz-TR in 2012 (IIRC) I went for a job interview where I had stufied sine 2003 (phd) [08:42] schestowitz-TR and one interviewer was my former supervisor [08:42] schestowitz-TR the other was some "business" something [08:42] schestowitz-TR which I deemed not appropriate [08:42] schestowitz-TR for an academic position [08:42] schestowitz-TR they start viewing the institute from the lens of money [08:42] schestowitz-TR as a student, you produce a lot of work for them [08:42] schestowitz-TR all they give back is a desk and a PC [08:42] schestowitz-TR and those too are just "leased" [08:42] schestowitz-TR so that diploma mill is highly exploitative ● Jun 24 [09:02] Techrights-sec2 I wonder if some kind of press sheet or summary page would be useful, [09:02] Techrights-sec2 like the old one but updated [09:02] schestowitz-TR in what context? can you elaborate a bit? rereading did not help... [09:09] Techrights-sec2 there are several concurrent topics, which one? [09:10] schestowitz-TR the one about "press sheet" [09:10] schestowitz-TR I try to do 4-5 daily links batches and atm prioritise epo internal docs/leaks [09:12] Techrights-sec2 oh. that was about the old summary made a long time ago, [09:12] Techrights-sec2 perhaps it would be useful to do a new one with a /slight/ focus on the [09:12] Techrights-sec2 upcoming actions [09:12] Techrights-sec2 something to get an interested journalist an overview [09:13] schestowitz-TR many of them are compromised [09:13] schestowitz-TR I said last night that ime it would almost be a waste of time contacting politicians and press [09:14] schestowitz-TR based on my experience [09:14] schestowitz-TR btw, I've just noticed no irc logs for today [09:14] schestowitz-TR I ran ipfs 2 minutes late today, I hope it did not mess up the pipeline [09:14] Techrights-sec2 checking [09:17] schestowitz-TR re press heet [09:17] schestowitz-TR sheet [09:17] schestowitz-TR my supervisor told me ages age it would take HOURS just to write an abstract [09:17] schestowitz-TR of course AFTER you spend MONTHS going through peer review [09:17] schestowitz-TR which is days' worth of work [09:17] schestowitz-TR you might get 100 views just on the abstract online [09:18] schestowitz-TR maybe 10 will bother reading what you spent months on [09:18] schestowitz-TR that put me off academia [09:18] schestowitz-TR I could get better number on the www [09:18] schestowitz-TR so you end up with scholars who produced 40 papers in 40 years (age 25-65) [09:18] schestowitz-TR and barely had real impact other than "teaching many students" [09:18] schestowitz-TR and "marking up many exams" [09:18] schestowitz-TR not fulfillinf imho [09:19] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:19] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:19] Techrights-sec2 checking [09:19] Techrights-sec2 yes the papers end up being mostly filler [09:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:21] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:21] schestowitz-TR good scholars, top guns, might put hundreds in GOOD journalists [09:21] schestowitz-TR that actually DO GET READ [09:21] schestowitz-TR and maybe attract some media attention for one day in a year [09:21] schestowitz-TR but those are rare [09:21] schestowitz-TR and limited to top unis [09:21] schestowitz-TR of course the media snd BS films like Beautioful Mind tell you only about the "success stories" [09:21] schestowitz-TR same for the "music" (copyright) industry [09:21] schestowitz-TR those "success stories" often end up dying from drug overdoses [09:21] schestowitz-TR /s/jopurnlists/jorunals [09:21] schestowitz-TR conference papepr = some little ~20 min talk or poster, with some paper that goes with it [09:21] schestowitz-TR and almost nobody reads... probably a reused paper from some failed journal submission [09:21] schestowitz-TR or slight improvement over it [09:25] Techrights-sec2 That film was BS put out by the banskters to try to (wrongly) lend an air [09:25] Techrights-sec2 of legitimacy to their fraud. [09:25] Techrights-sec2 posters have little to no impact, for most participants they are just [09:25] Techrights-sec2 scenery; few get looked at even superficially; hardly none at all get [09:25] Techrights-sec2 examined with any level of interest [09:25] schestowitz-TR the www is on 'borrowed' time imho [09:25] schestowitz-TR but I cannot tell you how things will pan out [09:25] schestowitz-TR I can guess, but only for 1-2 years [09:25] schestowitz-TR as a medium, it's becomigng obsolete [09:25] schestowitz-TR as it's not for pages anymore [09:25] schestowitz-TR it's a canvas [09:25] schestowitz-TR the rendering is done by proprietary programs from the server, not thre browser [09:27] schestowitz-TR (top clarify, the server executes locally AND remotely) [09:27] schestowitz-TR the codde you get with the chrome (or clone) binary does not do the heavy lifting, it's like a 'runtime') [09:27] schestowitz-TR compared gulag news in 2005 to the 'web' 'page' it is in 2022 [09:31] Techrights-sec2 yes the main thing is that it can't handle the way it's being misused; [09:31] Techrights-sec2 browsers are being used as VMs to run applications sourced from unauthenticated [09:31] Techrights-sec2 distributed sources [09:31] Techrights-sec2 the server only sends the applications, all the processing is done locally [09:31] Techrights-sec2 in the client, as if it were a VM, no matter how inefficient that is [09:31] Techrights-sec2 I'd hate to begin to calculate the gigawatts of electricty wasted repeatedly [09:31] Techrights-sec2 running the same scripts again and again around the world in various clients [09:31] Techrights-sec2 when the same thing could have been run once on the server and cached for a [09:31] Techrights-sec2 while [09:32] Techrights-sec2 pages aren't pages anymore, they are "apps" and even some of the kids these days [09:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:32] Techrights-sec2 refer to them as such, it's done out of ignorance but still they are correct [09:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:32] Techrights-sec2 albeit by accident [09:32] schestowitz-TR some sites till take the right and "traditional" approach [09:32] schestowitz-TR those are also a lot easier to convert to hugo, gemini etc. [09:32] schestowitz-TR so the technical detb associated with keeping alive for many years is vastly reduced [09:32] schestowitz-TR many news sites are pu offline as sys admins are "expensive" and totally necessary to run those sites [09:32] schestowitz-TR so over the LONG run they're out and we're still in the ring [09:32] schestowitz-TR sometimes they keep online static copies with very broken layout and no images, etc. [09:32] schestowitz-TR withh weird URLs long not indexed by anything, not seen by anyone [09:33] Techrights-sec2 Google does not index very much any more, somehow it seems they are easing out [09:33] Techrights-sec2 of that business [09:34] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:37] Techrights-sec2 "shareholders" is just an excuse and distracts from the real reason but [09:37] Techrights-sec2 it works since few look past that [09:39] schestowitz-TR not just that [09:39] schestowitz-TR I've said something to that effect [09:39] schestowitz-TR the goal isn't fairness or archiving material [09:39] schestowitz-TR theyd delete at will anything [09:39] schestowitz-TR because the shareholders don't value those sorts of things [09:39] schestowitz-TR and you SHOULD NEVER RELY ON ANY CORPRORATION TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR OWN INTERESTS [09:39] schestowitz-TR or site... like JoinDiaspora [09:39] schestowitz-TR it's a wrong, risky assumption [09:40] schestowitz-TR they would mess around with you and your work which they do not value [09:40] schestowitz-TR it's about their, not your, bottom line [09:40] schestowitz-TR gulagtube killed off many hard-working "reators" [09:40] schestowitz-TR that's one heck of a thank-you [09:40] schestowitz-TR because their videos are harder to "monetise" [09:40] schestowitz-TR one dya gulag might say, pay us to keep online videos older than 5 years [09:40] schestowitz-TR and some people might pay [09:40] schestowitz-TR like old sites/journals/news sources that start paywalling their archives [09:40] schestowitz-TR so they say you need to pay x for some article from the 1980s that you need [09:40] schestowitz-TR or so-called 'acamemic' (private) publishers [09:40] schestowitz-TR that demand you pay them money to access your own papers [09:40] schestowitz-TR shareholders become the state when a lot of money (high revenue, little investment, i.e. high profit/turnout) is stuff like [09:40] schestowitz-TR "Maven" and "defence" budget. Then you can throw whole channels like "RT" under the bus [09:40] schestowitz-TR nothing to do with shareholders per se [09:40] schestowitz-TR it's quid pro quo [09:40] schestowitz-TR and to them the "creators" are 'collateral damage' [09:40] schestowitz-TR is that video still online BTW? Maybe won't be for long.. [09:40] schestowitz-TR "community guidelines"... "sign in to view"... nothing showing up in search results [09:40] schestowitz-TR (both Gulag Search and YouTube Search) [09:40] schestowitz-TR for your own protection [09:46] schestowitz-TR looking at your dad's papers [09:46] schestowitz-TR many similarities [09:46] schestowitz-TR ResearchBillGates (ye, bribed by Bill) [09:49] schestowitz-TR indexes like these, much like Gulag "scholar"/"news"/"search", are bogus and faux [09:49] schestowitz-TR because there is scarce indexing of old work [09:49] schestowitz-TR no incentive to crawl further back [09:49] schestowitz-TR and so the calculated sums naturally favour recent stuff [09:49] schestowitz-TR I ignore impact factors and all those "scores" [09:49] schestowitz-TR it is like social control media [09:49] schestowitz-TR there were sites like KLOUT for this [09:49] schestowitz-TR they vanished [09:49] schestowitz-TR they just scanned a bunch of "tweets" and tried to assign [09:49] schestowitz-TR "importance" to people [09:49] schestowitz-TR as if "tweets" are worth a f* s* [09:50] schestowitz-TR or "angegement" is a measure of merit [09:50] schestowitz-TR you could be posting photos of some stuff and get many "likes" [09:50] schestowitz-TR photos from some holiday [09:50] schestowitz-TR or even sexually explicit [09:54] schestowitz-TR in the UK, going into administration [09:54] schestowitz-TR means something like Chapter 11 [09:54] schestowitz-TR in the US [09:54] schestowitz-TR you waneted to say administration works like that in the US [09:54] schestowitz-TR I knew what you mean the next line [09:54] schestowitz-TR ironically, it feels like working in a uiniversity's admin these days [09:54] schestowitz-TR does mean the same [09:54] schestowitz-TR crushing the uni or crashing the darn thing into the ground [09:54] schestowitz-TR to get some golden eggs or foreign students from china [09:54] schestowitz-TR for the diploma mill the university becomes [09:54] schestowitz-TR because the brand dilution [09:54] schestowitz-TR also see: Linux [sic] Foundation ● Jun 24 [10:00] schestowitz-TR academia seems to have become shit here maybe 20 years ago [10:00] schestowitz-TR I was not embedded deeply for long, so cannot verify how or when [10:01] schestowitz-TR in 2004 or 2003 two universities in Manchester agreed to merge [10:01] schestowitz-TR one of them, UMIST, not a shiity polytechnic but a lesser university [10:01] schestowitz-TR with little reputation or tradition [10:01] schestowitz-TR I was not happy about this [10:01] schestowitz-TR and insisted that on my degree it should say VICTORIA U of Manchester [10:01] schestowitz-TR the new merged thing was called the same as the old (original) [10:01] schestowitz-TR university [10:01] schestowitz-TR I don't know if this was an "efficincy" move [10:01] schestowitz-TR to attracty intl' students [10:01] schestowitz-TR (the 'vash cow') [10:01] schestowitz-TR but it makde my undergard degree look potentially of less value [10:01] schestowitz-TR my degree now does say victoria [10:01] schestowitz-TR but most people cannot tell the difference [10:01] schestowitz-TR they don't know the hisotry [10:01] schestowitz-TR there were 3 other unis I could go to and accepted my application [10:07] schestowitz-TR I've just checked my disploma [10:07] schestowitz-TR the official one [10:07] schestowitz-TR they broke the promise [10:07] schestowitz-TR like when companies merged [10:07] schestowitz-TR they said we'd be abkle to choose to say "victoria" on it [10:07] schestowitz-TR of course it does not say that [10:07] schestowitz-TR people forget the promise/pledge [10:07] schestowitz-TR and now the degree is associated with the NEW university bearing the same name as the old one [10:07] schestowitz-TR having said that, some universities had really big blunders [10:07] schestowitz-TR and those servd to vevalue the diplomas of alumni [10:07] schestowitz-TR in ours there was this mass rapist from indonesia [10:07] Techrights-sec2 yes, when remineded they whine about being reminded [10:07] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:09] schestowitz-TR brb workout [10:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:54] schestowitz-TR back [10:54] schestowitz-TR inconclusive research [10:54] schestowitz-TR might not be work in progress anymore (exercise thought): [10:54] schestowitz-TR is jperlow still in lF? [10:54] schestowitz-TR last blog post 2 months ago [10:54] schestowitz-TR new guy hired [10:54] schestowitz-TR I cannot see linkedin (MSFT) [10:54] schestowitz-TR but twitter says LF research [10:54] Techrights-sec2 good question [10:54] Techrights-sec2 they don't have a staff roster [10:54] Techrights-sec2 https://www.linuxfoundation.org/author/jperlow/ [10:54] Techrights-sec2 he was there at the end of April at least [10:54] schestowitz-TR so maybe he was assigned to that other fake "department" [10:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Jason Perlow, Author at Linux Foundation [10:54] schestowitz-TR rather than left [10:54] schestowitz-TR LF periodically updates a few pages, e.g. board, management, committees [10:55] schestowitz-TR but the arrival of that new man who knows NADA about Linux coninciding [10:55] schestowitz-TR with no "perlow" anywhere did make me wonder [10:56] schestowitz-TR boosting the scam before it fell LOL [10:56] schestowitz-TR not decentralised [10:56] schestowitz-TR just another fraud [10:56] schestowitz-TR but LF gives it veneer of legitimacy [10:56] schestowitz-TR at the expense of "LINUX"(R) [10:56] schestowitz-TR "mom, what is Linux?" [10:56] schestowitz-TR "it's this vaccine passport blockchain WSL thing" [10:59] Techrights-sec2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jason-squared-two-nerds-talk-tech/id1507265943 [10:59] Techrights-sec2 nothing recent there either [10:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-podcasts.apple.com | Jason Squared: Two Nerds Talk Tech on Apple Podcasts ● Jun 24 [11:00] schestowitz-TR vanished around the time we called him out for AGEISM [11:00] schestowitz-TR and IBM, where he came from [11:00] schestowitz-TR but I doubt it is in any way related [11:00] schestowitz-TR I'm sure he can see the weakness of LF from the inside [11:00] schestowitz-TR they hired him for PR [11:00] Techrights-sec2 https://www.zdnet.com/meet-the-team/us/jason-perlow/#bio [11:00] Techrights-sec2 ^ blocked by javascript [11:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jason Perlow | US | Meet the Team | ZDNet [11:01] Techrights-sec2 but he wrote at ZDNet last week [11:03] schestowitz-TR ah, maybe there's something there [11:03] schestowitz-TR let me check dates... [11:03] schestowitz-TR 4/4/22 dan whitining makes debut in linux.com [11:03] schestowitz-TR where jperlow had parked after spamnil vanished [11:03] schestowitz-TR but then weeks later that NFT BS was posted [11:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/dan-whiting-linux-foundation/ [11:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has a New Lead Editor. Like Jim Zemlin, He Doesnt Use Linux. Hes in Love with iPad. | Techrights [11:03] schestowitz-TR dan allowing [11:04] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:11] schestowitz-TR our motto: they won't give away their weakness [11:11] schestowitz-TR same in EPO [11:11] schestowitz-TR so we must dig in and be inquisittive [11:11] Techrights-sec2 press releases get transcribed into fake articles easily [11:11] Techrights-sec2 I recall one "columnist" who did that for too many years until she got called [11:11] Techrights-sec2 out on it and the paper pulled the plug on her "column" [11:11] schestowitz-TR as other blogs barely bother [11:11] schestowitz-TR x y.z released [11:11] schestowitz-TR linus says... [11:11] schestowitz-TR but hardly looking for new info [11:11] schestowitz-TR unless it's spoonfed to them with PR bribes [11:13] schestowitz-TR microsoft and epo do this a lot [11:13] schestowitz-TR of course they are not alone [11:13] schestowitz-TR but it is easier to see when you folloe particular topics and can compare texts, photos etc. [11:13] schestowitz-TR I get like 40 spam a day [11:13] schestowitz-TR half of it from pr agencies trying to get me "interested" [11:17] schestowitz-TR it probably got miles worse ein the "digital" era [11:17] schestowitz-TR because it became faster and "cheaper" [11:17] schestowitz-TR I can iomagine how it would be done 50 years ago [11:17] schestowitz-TR you would need to lick envelopes and find telephone numbers and fax things [11:17] schestowitz-TR (no fax yet) [11:17] Techrights-sec2 again, it seems that Google is hardly indexing anything any more [11:17] schestowitz-TR so from an economic POV there was less incentive [11:17] schestowitz-TR this is why www rapidly becomes "webspam" [11:17] schestowitz-TR you can whip up a "site" in mintes [11:17] schestowitz-TR in the USENET newsgroups we used to have fierce arguments about this [11:17] schestowitz-TR as some people were making fake sites [11:17] schestowitz-TR and then trying to sneak them into Gulag [11:19] schestowitz-TR theory: the likes of matt cutts at google (no idea if he still holds that role) [11:19] schestowitz-TR studies the domain space and coclude x% of domains are spam [11:19] schestowitz-TR and therefore gulag should be super-apprehensive adding domains it does not know about [11:19] schestowitz-TR even if they have IBLs (inbound links) because such links can be purchased [11:19] schestowitz-TR they even penalised for certain IBL patterns [11:21] Techrights-sec2 could be it [11:21] Techrights-sec2 thy're certainly not indexing some legitimate but small sites, even ones hosted [11:21] Techrights-sec2 in data centers and all [11:21] Techrights-sec2 in years past it was enough to put up a site and wait a week or so [11:21] Techrights-sec2 now, nothing [11:21] schestowitz-TR take it from me (wasted years) [11:21] schestowitz-TR 1) checking stats is a waste oif time and can be demoralising (a lot of the web is bots) [11:21] schestowitz-TR 2) enever optimise anything for gulag (SEO is a cargo cult) [11:21] schestowitz-TR 3) don't add ads to anything. waste of time. hassle. [11:22] Techrights-sec2 Brave, DDG, and Startpage have all indexed the site(s) but not Google [11:22] Techrights-sec2 haven't (and won't) checked Yandex [11:24] schestowitz-TR should you care? [11:24] schestowitz-TR is it worth the worry? [11:24] schestowitz-TR the time could instead be spent doing all sorts of other things [11:24] schestowitz-TR with more predictable results [11:24] schestowitz-TR sometimes the host is pooling ip addresses and some other sites on a share servers made it into a blacklist [11:26] schestowitz-TR the maslow heirarchy of Net: ;-) [11:26] schestowitz-TR a) your site [11:26] schestowitz-TR b) the web [11:26] schestowitz-TR c) web brands [11:26] schestowitz-TR no web -> no web brands [11:26] schestowitz-TR a site can be moved to xanadu, gopher etc. [11:45] Techrights-sec2 " In the process, they built a tool which facilitates the large-scale laundering of free software into non-free software by their customers, who GitHub of [11:45] Techrights-sec2 fers plausible deniability through an inscrutable algorithm. " [11:45] Techrights-sec2 https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/23/Copilot-GPL-washing.html [11:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | GitHub Copilot and open source laundering [11:47] schestowitz-TR yes, none of that is new [11:47] schestowitz-TR we said that in our series n umerous times [11:47] schestowitz-TR I want to wait and see what Miguel and Nat do before proceeding much [11:47] schestowitz-TR It'sFOSS wrote about it, but weakly [11:47] schestowitz-TR it also shills for LF, so... ● Jun 24 [12:05] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:06] schestowitz-TR I wonder how to best tackle the latest LF propagadafest in Texas [12:06] schestowitz-TR not giving it more visibility [12:06] schestowitz-TR /me checks if spamnil bought another round of clickfraud [12:06] Techrights-sec2 which one are they doing now? [12:10] schestowitz-TR spamnil last did this to video about 20 days old [12:10] schestowitz-TR so the anomalies are stunning [12:33] Techrights-sec2 this? https://www.linux.com/news/ensuring-patents-foster-innovation-in-open-source/ [12:33] Techrights-sec2 "Patents are an important legal protection to foster innovation ..." [12:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ensuring Patents Foster Innovation in Open Source - Linux.com [12:34] schestowitz-TR I responded to this yesterday [12:34] schestowitz-TR and quoted the bit about LF+OIN+Microsoft working together on patents [12:34] schestowitz-TR this is LF in a nutshell [12:34] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:46] schestowitz-TR next stage is, they convince or blackmail torvalds into parroting the same lines [12:46] schestowitz-TR and lies [12:46] schestowitz-TR and then call us "all about hate" if we don't parry the same [12:46] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:48] schestowitz-TR like the time rms foolishly went to microsoft [12:48] schestowitz-TR and then sjvn said repeatredly stuff like, even RMM is accepting them [12:48] schestowitz-TR and if you don't, you're extraeme [12:48] schestowitz-TR (of course he then went on to relentlylessly defaming RMS regardless) [12:49] Techrights-sec2 in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices [12:49] Techrights-sec2 and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine [12:49] Techrights-sec2 after ther torture [12:49] Techrights-sec2 LF doesn't use torture [12:49] Techrights-sec2 it uses mental blackmail and therapists [12:49] Techrights-sec2 civil forefeit of the Linux project [12:50] schestowitz-TR in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices [12:50] schestowitz-TR and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine [12:50] schestowitz-TR after ther torture [12:50] schestowitz-TR LF doesn't use torture [12:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:50] Techrights-sec2 yes, the LF has used torture, [12:50] schestowitz-TR it uses mental blackmail and therapists [12:50] schestowitz-TR civil forefeit of the Linux project [12:50] schestowitz-TR 2+2=5 [12:50] schestowitz-TR and then you see 5 articles about torvalds singing praises of github rust [12:51] Techrights-sec2 https://phr.org/news/cia-torture-report-highlights-unnecessary-medical-procedure/ [12:51] Techrights-sec2 not those specific methods but unnecessary medical treatment in general, [12:51] Techrights-sec2 sending him off and then having him recant and confess afterwards [12:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-phr.org | Physicians for Human Rights - CIA Torture Report Highlights Unnecessary Medical Procedure [12:52] schestowitz-TR as daemonFC recalls, from his personal experience, it is the only way to get rleased from the treatment [12:52] schestowitz-TR they reward for cooperation [12:52] schestowitz-TR objection reinforces the idea of a problem [12:52] Techrights-sec2 yes if they can get leverage over him and commit him then it's game over [12:52] Techrights-sec2 after that anything he says only digs the hole deeper -- regardless of [12:52] Techrights-sec2 the situation or of what is said [12:56] Techrights-sec2 LT escaped lightly, if they had forced prescriptions on him then they [12:56] Techrights-sec2 ^the [12:56] Techrights-sec2 "medications" are so primitive in that area that they would nearly 100% likely [12:56] Techrights-sec2 caused brain damage or at least severe personality disorder either permanently [12:56] Techrights-sec2 or during the course of the drug use [12:59] schestowitz-TR the story you told me is almost exactly the same as one from a gym friend [12:59] schestowitz-TR whose ordeals I wrote about in my blog a few times [12:59] schestowitz-TR he represented himself against NHS and won [12:59] schestowitz-TR almost exactly the same [12:59] schestowitz-TR , inc. the scnadsls of improvising and prison time [12:59] schestowitz-TR they basically experimented on him [12:59] schestowitz-TR he won the case [12:59] schestowitz-TR then I think they spied on him with PI [12:59] schestowitz-TR but hard to prove ● Jun 24 [13:00] Techrights-sec2 The trouble against LT really ramped up when he defended the GPL at his Aalto [13:00] Techrights-sec2 talk. The press made a distraction with him giving the finger to Nvidia, but [13:00] Techrights-sec2 the talk about the importance of the GPL really burned a lot of powerful people [13:01] schestowitz-TR Quite likely that they stoope that low. [13:01] Techrights-sec2 Quite likely that they stoope that low. [13:02] Techrights-sec2 However, it is even more unlikely that they will admit to breaking the law like [13:02] Techrights-sec2 that. [13:07] schestowitz-TR Norbert apparwently had to confeesss his "thought crime" [13:07] schestowitz-TR and then give a talk together nwith a diversity candisate (no code) at some event [13:07] schestowitz-TR maybehe realised this would never please theme [13:07] schestowitz-TR it just made him look like a tool, after he had invested 2 decades of his life as a volkunteer [13:07] schestowitz-TR in a project that was pushing him out [13:08] Techrights-sec2 Lunduke gave a good talk explaining how and why attempts at appeasement will [13:08] Techrights-sec2 only encourage and even rile up the bullied [13:08] Techrights-sec2 ^bullies [13:08] Techrights-sec2 did he blink "TORTURE" with his eyes while reading the confession? [13:12] schestowitz-TR over the years at lkeast 3 people (off the top of my head) tried to force me to write a statement [13:12] schestowitz-TR like apoloigising to them and such [13:12] schestowitz-TR one time I actually did something weakly worded to that effect [13:12] schestowitz-TR that was the first time [13:12] Techrights-sec2 yep [13:12] Techrights-sec2 yep [13:12] schestowitz-TR and then it never ends [13:12] schestowitz-TR change this, change that [13:12] schestowitz-TR if you show a sign of weakness [13:12] schestowitz-TR then they want to link to something to say "we won, he lost" [13:12] schestowitz-TR "we were right all along" [13:14] schestowitz-TR Linus did surrender [13:14] schestowitz-TR therapists AND forced apology [13:14] schestowitz-TR humiliation [13:14] schestowitz-TR he used to defned all that as finnish culture [13:14] schestowitz-TR I didn't even think it was limited to finland [13:14] Techrights-sec2 now they can hang both over his head indefinitely [13:14] Techrights-sec2 presumably with the threat of escalating either [13:14] Techrights-sec2 it is, but these days national identities, including Finnish, are now centered [13:14] Techrights-sec2 around defense of and support for Bill and M$ [13:17] Techrights-sec2 Some years ago he made an excellent explanation about clarity and why [13:17] Techrights-sec2 evaluation of code (not of people) had to be made in no uncertain or vague [13:17] Techrights-sec2 terms; the microsofters and the press they own where able to reframe his [13:17] Techrights-sec2 code critiques as attacks on people, which they clearly weren't if one bothered [13:17] Techrights-sec2 to read them , or as "being mean" [13:17] schestowitz-TR did you know the MFer works in a gown!!!! the MFer!!! [13:18] Techrights-sec2 yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business [13:18] Techrights-sec2 community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of [13:18] Techrights-sec2 a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea [13:18] Techrights-sec2 that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he [13:18] Techrights-sec2 was already complying by then [13:18] Techrights-sec2 not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well [13:22] schestowitz-TR it's the dress code equivalent of getting circumcised [13:22] schestowitz-TR or doing that to kids (FGM also), demonstrating physical sacrifice for the tribe [13:22] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 24 [15:00] schestowitz-TR slow tech news so far today [15:00] schestowitz-TR volume-wise [15:00] schestowitz-TR having to use a hook [15:00] Techrights-sec2 summer has started and more news sites will (permanently) reduce activities [15:00] Techrights-sec2 further [15:00] schestowitz-TR yeah, it had not quite occurred to me [15:00] schestowitz-TR either way, more time to focus on epo then [15:02] schestowitz-TR The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valves done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XCgSfDw0cM8 "TLG" so focused on Valve/Deck that I bet everything he took money from then [15:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve's done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious [15:21] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:40] schestowitz-TR curiously enough, based on the much-late 2013 paper abstract re photosynthesis, this is a very similar area [15:40] schestowitz-TR to the one of a friend whom I frequently mention [15:40] schestowitz-TR biogenesis and cells [15:40] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:40] schestowitz-TR those are important issues, unlike a lot of pseudoscience that does get counted as of [15:40] schestowitz-TR "indutrial value" or mere theory [15:41] schestowitz-TR news is slow, I did another batch [15:41] schestowitz-TR feeds empty [15:41] schestowitz-TR will check covid status [15:41] schestowitz-TR no important issue to record atm [15:41] schestowitz-TR might tidy up my place [15:41] schestowitz-TR rianne went hunting [15:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:52] Techrights-sec2 It's Midsummer Eve, are the stores even open? [15:53] schestowitz-TR food stores, I don't see why not [15:53] schestowitz-TR they're essential and I think the onl day they shut is dec 25th [15:53] schestowitz-TR which is why 24th is great for netting expiring items in large quantities [15:53] schestowitz-TR 31st and 1st (NYE) is partly open [15:53] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 24 [16:42] schestowitz " [16:42] schestowitz SUEPO The Hague Event on the day of the Administrative Council [16:42] schestowitz Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues, [16:42] schestowitz SUEPO The Hague is organizing a get-together meeting on the day of the Administrative Council for its members and those who want to become members. [16:42] schestowitz The gathering will take place on June 29, 2022 from 16:00 to 19:00 at "Welgelegen Food and Drinks" in Rijswijk on the day of the Administrative Council. [16:42] schestowitz Feel free to join us for this event! [16:42] schestowitz " [16:45] schestowitz " [16:45] schestowitz SUEPO Virtual Coffee Meetings, every Friday starting at 11:30 a.m. [16:45] schestowitz Dear SUEPO members, dear Colleagues, [16:45] schestowitz We are happy to invite you to a weekly coffee meeting of SUEPO this Friday, 24th of June. [16:45] schestowitz SUEPO committee members are looking forward meeting you. [16:45] schestowitz We would like to chat with you informally on the ongoing actions [16:45] schestowitz Working to the rule [16:45] schestowitz Feedback of yours for further actions [16:45] schestowitz We are there also to answer all your questions about SUEPO and listen to your concerns such as [16:45] schestowitz - the consequences of the educational reform for staff in TH; [16:45] schestowitz - SAP; [16:45] schestowitz - teleworking guidelines; [16:45] schestowitz - or work pressure. [16:45] schestowitz But above all, we want to listen to you. SUEPO is nothing but its members, and your point of view matters very much to us. [16:45] schestowitz " [16:46] schestowitz-TR good and timely news [16:46] schestowitz-TR got 4 items from epo [16:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [16:52] schestowitz-TR as usual, we'll be the first and the only ones to cover it, I'm preparing some text atm ● Jun 24 [17:10] schestowitz The present publication emanates from Local Staff Committee the Hague which does not have access to mass email. It is re-published via SUEPO in order to reach a larger number of colleagues. [17:13] schestowitz-TR ok, draft [17:13] schestowitz-TR I can make up by missing bits with new image and summary [17:21] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:21] Techrights-sec2 excellent about being first and covering it but tragic that other sites do not [17:21] Techrights-sec2 pick up the news [17:21] Techrights-sec2 in accordance to how important it is [17:21] Techrights-sec2 checking [17:21] Techrights-sec2 s/pressurising/pressure/ [17:22] Techrights-sec2 the first sentence mentions a meeting, a word or two (maybe with link) would [17:22] Techrights-sec2 help remind the readers about the nature of the meeting [17:22] Techrights-sec2 It's in the second paragraph, but having a word at the start helps lead in [17:22] Techrights-sec2 s/which should not be granted/which should not be granted due to being outlawed [17:22] Techrights-sec2 by the European Patent Convention (1973) .../ [17:22] Techrights-sec2 The illegality of the sw patents granting and the reason it is illegal are [17:22] Techrights-sec2 important [17:22] Techrights-sec2 s/they're recruiting/the administrative council (managment) is recruiting/ [17:22] Techrights-sec2 the last two paragraphs can be merged, the "imagine working" sentence belongs with the previous paragraph [17:25] schestowitz-TR ok, all changes applied, added an image [17:39] Techrights-sec2 thanks [17:40] schestowitz-TR thew second (*last) pass caught a lot of typos and I clarified further [17:40] schestowitz-TR I have to assume there's a lot more on the way [17:40] schestowitz-TR to avoid getting PRESSURED MYSEFL :-) [17:41] Techrights-sec2 excellent [17:41] Techrights-sec2 it reads well now [17:44] *schestowitz_log has quit (*.net *.split) [17:44] *schestowitz-TR has quit (*.net *.split) [17:44] *schestowitz has quit (*.net *.split) [17:48] *schestowitz_log (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] *schestowitz (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [17:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 24 [19:00] schestowitz-TR new doc just in [19:00] schestowitz-TR draft [19:05] schestowitz-TR rianne asks, as she saw something in the gulag tyoob, if VAT is charged or shown separately in grocery stores [19:05] schestowitz-TR here it's not shown explicitly [19:05] schestowitz-TR very rarely at electronics stores too [19:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ssswqhrzqqbyy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:15] schestowitz-TR another draft (short) [19:15] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:15] Techrights-sec2 I thought food is not supposed to be subject to VAT [19:15] Techrights-sec2 as for electronics, some show it up front others hide it until checkout [19:15] Techrights-sec2 in the case of Apple vs Dell, for example, Dell only adds the VAT at the end [19:15] Techrights-sec2 but Apple shows it up front and you have to subtract it at the end if you're [19:15] Techrights-sec2 making a business purchase [19:15] Techrights-sec2 oddly in one case the Apple hardware was much cheaper than the Dell system [19:15] Techrights-sec2 of comparable specs [19:25] schestowitz-TR it's finalised now [19:26] Techrights-sec2 checking [19:27] Techrights-sec2 ok [19:27] Techrights-sec2 but the last sentence is not finished [19:28] schestowitz-TR grammatically it seems OK [19:32] schestowitz-TR apple has a "starter" kit [sic] [19:32] schestowitz-TR so maybe on the 'low end' they discard some stock [19:32] schestowitz-TR or desperate to show they can still sell [19:32] schestowitz-TR they cannot blame "supply chain" for eternity [19:32] schestowitz-TR and the MS/APPL-preloaded PCs are just little prisons [19:32] schestowitz-TR that later help them upsell or charge on top [19:32] schestowitz-TR so the price on the PC is misleading [19:32] schestowitz-TR Chromebooks, unless "fixed", are rentals you can take away and keep [19:32] schestowitz-TR so we have a 'brandless' problem here [19:32] schestowitz-TR and saying "boycott Microsoft" won't solve ALL the issues [19:32] schestowitz-TR we need to talk about the concept, IMHO [19:33] schestowitz-TR some people move from wiundows to apple [19:33] schestowitz-TR as an act of rebellion [19:33] schestowitz-TR because they don't know that the underlying issue is [19:33] schestowitz-TR they think it's just some cliches and logos [19:33] schestowitz-TR and carlin had wise words about US "choice" [19:33] schestowitz-TR and how meaningless that can be [19:33] schestowitz-TR I can find the clip, so can you if yoiu search "carlin choice" [19:34] schestowitz-TR back in the IBM says we called it "swapping masters" (over a decade ago; the word or metaphor was acceptable [19:34] schestowitz-TR then) [19:34] schestowitz-TR because it's like a slave being traded but not in fact liberated [19:34] schestowitz-TR hands changed [19:34] schestowitz-TR then hands chained [19:36] Techrights-sec2 back in the PPC days the hardware was simply bettere [19:36] Techrights-sec2 now it's just overpriced x86 garbage [19:36] Techrights-sec2 with proprietary additions [19:36] Techrights-sec2 now with the M2 the hardware is worse and locked-in [19:36] Techrights-sec2 they've even ported speculative execution exploits into the M2 [19:37] schestowitz-TR I hope the flow od epo documents stops soon [19:38] schestowitz-TR it's important but a bit fatiguing [19:38] schestowitz-TR I might take a nap before the 1am shift [19:38] schestowitz-TR and then do a video on some topic [19:38] schestowitz-TR bbl [19:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [19:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 24 [20:18] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Isn't there a way around the VAT, like shipping a computer from the US? [20:18] DaemonFC I mean, certainly there's a lot of sellers here that don't give a shit about collecting VAT tax. [20:19] DaemonFC Avoiding taxes is difficult, but it's the moral thing to do. [20:19] DaemonFC Propping up a state that steals from you to give to someone else is immoral. [20:20] DaemonFC There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. [20:20] DaemonFC In that tax evasion is also tax avoidance, but you break some law to do that. [20:20] DaemonFC And breaking the law isn't terribly smart, especially when you'll get caught. So it's important to avoid taxes as much as the law lets you get by with. [20:21] DaemonFC I could be mistaken, but I think VAT taxes are something the seller is supposed to collect and remit before the sale, so if you buy something that hasn't had VAT collected, that's not your responsibility, right? [20:22] DaemonFC Or maybe it works like it does with state sales taxes, where you're supposed to declare the difference between what you paid out of state and what your state sales taxes are and square up the difference as use tax at the end of the year. [20:22] DaemonFC Which nobody did, which is why the states went to the Supreme Court to reverse their 1992 decision on this. [20:24] DaemonFC Still, Wisconsin has sales tax holidays around Back to School time, so you can go up there and get all of the clothes and big ticket stuff you need and come back down to Illinois with it. The problem is that Illinois wants their money and if you pay with a credit card, they know what you did. [20:24] schestowitz-TR I asked about food [20:24] DaemonFC It's not unheard of to get a letter from the DOR saying "We saw you went up to Wisconsin during a tax holiday and bought $5,000 worth of stuff. You declared that you didn't owe us any use tax. Here's what you owe us, plus interest, and a fine.". [20:26] DaemonFC The banks that do business in Illinois have to turn over their bank records to Illinois. So Illinois DOR has a matching program. It knows what all the rates are in other states and how much stuff you bought. So if it's a few bucks, probably nothing happens. If you owe then $400-500, you'll get a letter demanding payment. [20:27] DaemonFC On their website, which probably nobody reads, it warns that this can happen. [20:27] DaemonFC So if you do go up there on a tax holiday, bring cash. [20:27] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Did you see that the US Supreme Court got rid of the Miranda Warning? [20:28] DaemonFC "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you by the court." [20:28] DaemonFC The police don't have to warn you anymore. [20:29] DaemonFC You can't sue them if they don't. And it's much less likely that anything you say without being warned will get thrown out of evidence. [20:29] DaemonFC You still have those rights, but they don't have to tell you. [20:29] DaemonFC Indiana doesn't have "free" public defenders for the indigent. [20:29] DaemonFC They have a "sliding scale fee" for the public defender. [20:29] schestowitz-TR yes, I read about SCOTUS doing that [20:30] schestowitz-TR next stage is, more powers for cops [20:30] schestowitz-TR and more guns [20:30] DaemonFC So it's not uncommon to see the courts taking a guy who has no job and sending him a $500-600 bill for the public defender, who is only there so that they can say you got a minimal legal defense while they were railroading you. [20:31] DaemonFC They just add it to what you owe the court, and then to make sure you pay, they deduct it from your bail money that you coughed up so you didn't have to sit in jail for a year waiting on them to get around to you for a misdemeanor. [20:32] DaemonFC The courts in Indiana only move swiftly if you bonded out of jail. [20:32] DaemonFC If you can't afford to bond out of jail, they frequently take five or six times longer to get you into court. [20:32] DaemonFC The idea is they'll sweat a confession out of you because they'll end up sentencing you to less time than you were already sitting in jail waiting for your hearings. [20:33] DaemonFC The maximum jail term for a misdemeanor is 364 days in jail. [20:33] DaemonFC So they just leave you sitting in jail for a year if you can't bond out so you'll confess to a lesser offense or something just to get out of jail. [20:34] DaemonFC The longer you stay quiet and don't confess, the longer you end up waiting in jail. [20:34] DaemonFC This is why nearly everyone charged with a misdemeanor is convicted of a misdemeanor. [20:35] DaemonFC Even if you didn't do it, or it's not as bad as they allege, you know you'll be sitting in jail anyway, and most likely end up being convicted anyway, so at least by confessing you get out sooner. [20:36] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, What happened to me was essentially charge and sentence bargaining. And it ended up being probably most directly comparable to a police caution in your system. [20:36] schestowitz-TR like plea bargain? [20:37] DaemonFC Yeah. I told the prosecutor I absolutely would not confess to a violent crime, ever, and that if he insisted on it, we were going to court and I would demand that he produce John and Luis and I'd take my chances in front of a jury. [20:37] DaemonFC So it ended up being like "Okay, what do you want?". [20:38] DaemonFC I say , "I'm not going past a Class C Misdemeanor and I'm not going to jail, and I'm not going to have a conviction on my record. Figure something out.". [20:38] DaemonFC So then it was like "How is court supervision on Disorderly Conduct?". [20:40] DaemonFC Like, he'd probably win on the original charges, but I would make it the absolute most hassle on him that I could to get there and I definitely wasn't confessing to that, so unless he wanted to carve out a few days just for me with everything else going on in this county..... [20:41] DaemonFC Sometimes you can't win, but you can make it too much of a bother to fight you. [20:41] DaemonFC There's few surprises in court, so basically I had my attorney give the prosecutor a preview of what our strategy would be in court. [20:42] DaemonFC I was going to plead not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect and say that I went temporarily insane due to a combination of underlying mental illness and mental suffering inflicted by John, which finally boiled over when he brought Luis into the house. [20:42] DaemonFC "I temporarily took leave of my sanity and I'm better right now." [20:43] DaemonFC It's better to get diverted to psychiatrists than to be convicted and sent to jail, schestowitz-TR [20:43] DaemonFC The psychiatrists will fuck around with your medicine and eventually get tired of you. [20:43] DaemonFC Jail is jail, and a conviction is a conviction. [20:44] DaemonFC When they send a person to a psychiatrist, usually what happens is that eventually the psychiatrist declares that their intervention was a success, when in fact it was not. [20:44] DaemonFC And then they move right along. [20:44] schestowitz-TR did you see what we said about LT? [20:44] DaemonFC Nope. [20:45] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I'm now on four prescription drugs. [20:45] schestowitz-TR [13:18] yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business [20:45] DaemonFC I'm a miracle of modern medicine. [20:45] schestowitz-TR [13:18] community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of [20:45] schestowitz-TR [13:18] a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea [20:45] schestowitz-TR [13:18] that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he [20:45] schestowitz-TR [13:18] was already complying by then [20:45] schestowitz-TR [13:18] not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well [20:45] schestowitz-TR you were mention here earlier [20:45] DaemonFC Yes, what we project is more important than what we are, Roy [20:46] DaemonFC If you want to be successful at manipulating others, you have to create an appearance for them to base their opinions on. [20:47] DaemonFC Most people in your life who make important decisions about you interact with you for 10 or 20 minutes. It's important for them to see you in the way that ensures the correct outcome. [20:49] DaemonFC It's better to have a chameleonic personality than it is to have a fixed one. You can always revert to your true personality later when it matters less. [20:50] DaemonFC I've figured out different ways to present myself. Sometimes it's desirable to portray yourself as having an average or low intelligence so you don't appear threatening or very capable of being deceitful. [20:50] DaemonFC It forces people, subconsciously, to let their guard down, and it makes it easier to get what you need and move on. [20:51] DaemonFC A big important concept in law is intent, even when the law theoretically doesn't make intent an important factor. [20:52] DaemonFC You will be punished much more severely if the prosecutor proves you knew it was wrong, didn't care, and proceeded anyway. [20:52] DaemonFC Therefore, it is always useful to prove you did not knowingly break the law or did not intend to, or that you had no knowledge of the law, or that you were duped into breaking the law. [20:53] DaemonFC You can lower your culpability by showing that you didn't know what the law was, have imperfect understanding of the facts that set up your guilt, or that you have diminished capacity which made it, at least for a time, impossible to understand what you were doing. [20:54] DaemonFC I blacked out while I was doing that. I don't remember doing that. [20:54] DaemonFC If people tell you that you're doing something wrong, say "I don't want to know that, and I didn't hear what you just said.". [20:55] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I told a lawyer something once and she said. "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you say that." and I went to repeat myself and she said "I don't think you should repeat whatever it is you just said.". ● Jun 24 [21:24] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 24 [23:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell