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| schestowitz | http://beta.tuxmachines.org/ | Jul 24 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Just a prototype for now, written from scratch. | Jul 24 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Can you send me your public ssh key for access to the site's admin side? | Jul 24 01:06 |
| schestowitz | (Rianne has tried posting some nodes, with success, over ssh) | Jul 24 01:07 |
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| schestowitz-TR | mjg59_: instead of constantly arguing, maybe we can collaborate on trying to squash swpats, inc. in USPTO | Jul 24 01:50 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I am working on series detailing some very explosive leaks in this area | Jul 24 01:51 |
| mjg59_ | schestowitz-TR: I rank the growing movement to deny people the ability to accurately describe their gender as a greater threat to society than swpats | Jul 24 02:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you adopt thew approach of parking for years, 24/7, in online forums and IRC channels, looking for ways to defame people in Saudi-run (they hate LGBQ) Twitter | Jul 24 02:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/ | Jul 24 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The EPO Bubble — Part XII — The Shape of Things to Come? | Techrights | Jul 24 02:25 | |
| schestowitz-TR | we need your help there, mjg59_ | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | notice how, for example | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | people with NO qualifications in CS were put in charge | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they focus on BS | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | like granting as many patents as possible | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | not doing what's good for the profession | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | just law firms and and megacorporations | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | like your previous employers | Jul 24 02:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can use your voice there to help CS | Jul 24 02:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | rather than try to 'hunt down' people who do the heavy lifting for you | Jul 24 02:27 |
| mjg59_ | Yes, this is all bad | Jul 24 02:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks for helping | Jul 24 02:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | spread the word | Jul 24 02:28 |
| mjg59_ | As is failing to, for instance, recognise that trans men can get pregnant | Jul 24 02:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | these are semantic differences | Jul 24 02:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have trans friends | Jul 24 02:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I also know how languages work | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | like gendered languages | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | I speak several | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, we're a technical site | Jul 24 02:29 |
| mjg59_ | Do you deny that trans men can get pregnant? | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's focus on tech | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | mjg59_: I focus on real issues atm | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | not all that sematics | Jul 24 02:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | *semantics | Jul 24 02:29 |
| mjg59_ | 18:05 < schestowitz-TR> "Pregnant People"... what people get pregnant? ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/right-to-travel-abortion/ | Source: The Nation | Jul 24 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Could GOP States Really Stop Pregnant People From Traveling to Get Abortions? | The Nation | Jul 24 02:29 | |
| mjg59_ | You literally raised that topic | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | it showed up in my feeds | Jul 24 02:30 |
| mjg59_ | And you commented on it. Here. | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, you stalked us here all day | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking for "dirt" opportunisties | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's pathetic tbh | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a sign of a feeble mind | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | to spend so much time on this | Jul 24 02:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbl | Jul 24 02:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | got better things to do... | Jul 24 02:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | before the bulletin cutoff at 2:35am | Jul 24 02:31 |
| mjg59_ | schestowitz-TR: An easy thing for you to say here would be "Oh, right, I hadn't considered that - I understand why they would use this terminology" | Jul 24 02:31 |
| mjg59_ | But instead you become defensive | Jul 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | naa.. | Jul 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, back later | Jul 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | really have deadline due to bulletin | Jul 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | all this genderphobia is not our focus anyway | Jul 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | even in this channel it's just a like a minror one liner | Jul 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | you cherry pick and dirt-dig | Jul 24 02:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is pathetic and petty | Jul 24 02:33 |
| mjg59_ | I think you failing to understand that trans men get pregnant is actually pretty important | Jul 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can assure you I'm busier than most people, and hard-working, I don't stalk IRC channels all day long. Might be indicative of need for psychotherapy. You could get a lot more done elsewhere | Jul 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are changing the subject | Jul 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | and dwell on it | Jul 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | \bbl | Jul 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | enough of this | Jul 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | more than 90% of women on the world do not side with you | Jul 24 02:38 |
| mjg59_ | Do not side with me on what topic? | Jul 24 02:39 |
| mjg59_ | It's a pretty obvious fact that trans men get pregnant | Jul 24 02:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | damn, I missed bulletin deadline | Jul 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | because of youi | Jul 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'lkl just ignore you from now on | Jul 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the post didn't make it to today's bulletin | Jul 24 02:42 |
| mjg59_ | You could have just ignored me until you'd done the bulletin, there's no requirement that IRC be synchronous | Jul 24 02:44 |
| mjg59_ | Instead it just comes across as you not wanting to explain what you meant | Jul 24 02:44 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | thanks | Jul 24 08:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the update of the feeds and such needs to be automated. Cron is not the | Jul 24 08:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | way to go for that. I wonder if wrapper scripts are the way to go | Jul 24 08:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or if incron should be used to watch the whole /n hiearchy or something else. | Jul 24 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | gm | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, I was gonna say, | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | it seems like adding update steps as a manual thing would increase overhead | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe not for a small site with few updates but one with 50+ updates per day | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | where speed matters a lot | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've sent Marius some details, will check my email tonight | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, he can do pgp, as it's protonmail | Jul 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | not that I trust protonmail much after what they did to the climate activist | Jul 24 08:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | gm | Jul 24 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Perhaps wrapper scripts are the way to go. | Jul 24 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | However, I will test incron too | Jul 24 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | By the way, the posts don't have the date in the body, I suppose they should. | Jul 24 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The date is in the URL and the metadata but not in the body text | Jul 24 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've noticed that | Jul 24 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the URL says the date | Jul 24 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the page does not | Jul 24 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It might help a bit with Gemini to have the date also in the body text | Jul 24 08:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Shoul it be yyyy-mm-dd (ISO) or just mm/dd or mmm dd ? I think maybe the | Jul 24 08:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | last one is the least ambiguous | Jul 24 08:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | year matters as well as it gives context, age of news | Jul 24 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | some sites say x "years ago" | Jul 24 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | for those who find the articlss and need to be reminded these may be well out of date | Jul 24 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok that make sense | Jul 24 08:58 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I see that clickfraud spamnil has taken the fraud up another notch. Linux Foundation subsides fraud. | Jul 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | now he buts clicks within 1-2 days of publication | Jul 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | to cover up what a sham that channel is | Jul 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | gulag might be tolerating it because it's not a "big" channel | Jul 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | or, like twitter or FB, it makes them look "big" | Jul 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | Linux Foundation defrauds people. It damages the "Linux" brand. http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/ | Jul 24 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights | Jul 24 10:38 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep, I still say it is part of a planned campaign to run the brand into the | Jul 24 10:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ground | Jul 24 10:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they could have easily afforded to keep the actual journalists around and | Jul 24 10:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | let them continue writing | Jul 24 10:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | nearly done now with links file | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think we can do the part about security and microsoft media moles | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | you found 2 windows tco stories | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | i need to think of a suitable clustering pipeline or style for new tuxmachines | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you can think of a more effective one from a reader's POV | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | like, it would be nioce is updated posts would have the update on TOP, then bubble up or get "bumped" to top of rss feed | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | as this is one approach to dealing with same story, many sources, coming at different times and adding up | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | mainstream "news" sites have a very poor handling or emerging, changing stories | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then they turn to twitter etc. | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is worse | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | it means their site becomes fragmented across platforms | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | just like the comments | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | imaging if you boarded a train and they sent you journey updates via Saudi Twitter | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | just imagine... | Jul 24 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | having it on top would entail tracking the hours too | Jul 24 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it can be done, but would require quite a bit of reworking various pieces and | Jul 24 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | parts | Jul 24 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the scotland train incident was because the company decide not to notify its | Jul 24 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | passengers and instead tried to pretend that a "tweet" was as good as an | Jul 24 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | official announcement | Jul 24 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | that also vainly assumes people carry around tracking devices with "notifications" turned on, an "app", and "follow" the private company | Jul 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the analogue alternatives are SO much better | Jul 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | here, with nhs, the old skool methods are usually still available | Jul 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | like phonecall, not "text" | Jul 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | visits, no web sites | Jul 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I hope it'll stay that way | Jul 24 10:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there is pressure to eliminate reliable methods and several directions of | Jul 24 10:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | presure to steer people into social contol media | Jul 24 10:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we need to embolden and grow a counter movememn | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | so large that the shitty firms cannot afford to ignore the needs of peopl | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | and receive lengthy complaints like a bunch I submitted last year | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's costing them a lot of money | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | to me it costs only time | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm not salaries to do it | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | but you can estimate they spent hours or dozens of hours of managers' time | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | on each such incident | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | manchester town hall, that yorkshire medical thing, BT... | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they learn not to f* with people for piuurely economic reasons | Jul 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is the only language these "suits" understand... money | Jul 24 10:52 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but now that a critical mass of people are addicted to social control | Jul 24 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | media it is far easier for the corporations to manipulate their opinions | Jul 24 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | especially because most mistake it for having anything to do with communication | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's not overestimate | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) how many people use it | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) how many people are addictaed to it | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the globe, maybe it's 20% for (a) | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and 5% of (b) | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they are vocal | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some are politicians | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the average farmer doesn't give a shit | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we need to lean on those 80% to keep some things as they ar,e e.g. paper voting | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and purchases in person, with cash etc. | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a yuppie western thing to pay "contactless" with a "phone" | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | few people do this | Jul 24 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | vocal and prominently placed in positions of authority, all too often | Jul 24 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Never trust Vladolf Putler ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/un-chief-condemns-airstrikes-key-ukrainian-port-hours-after-grain-deal | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 24 11:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | UN Chief Condemns Airstrikes on Key Ukrainian Port Hours After Grain Deal | Jul 24 11:03 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 11:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | easier time in my life to be | Jul 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | critical | Jul 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | cynical sceptical | Jul 24 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to distance myeself from "the system" | Jul 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | seeing how they dealt with covid before and AFTER it hads spread, now: | Jul 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | techrights-news> Another patent racket? ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/who-declares-monkeypox-global-public-health-emergency | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 24 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | WHO Declares Monkeypox a Global Public Health Emergency | Jul 24 11:11 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:04] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.commondreams.org | WHO Declares Monkeypox a Global Public Health Emergency | Jul 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:05] <techrights-news> "Whitney discusses the parallels between the “rescue” of Emergent Biosolutions with anthrax (and potentially now monkeypox) and the “rescue” of Moderna and BioNTech with Covid." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/monkeypox-fears-may-rescue-endangered-corporations/ | Jul 24 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-unlimitedhangout.com | Monkeypox Fears May Rescue Endangered Corporations | Jul 24 11:11 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I know people under 60s who reacted badly to covid and/or to vaccines | Jul 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and many who die are in their 60s and above | Jul 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | so from an economic POV they're of no value anymore | Jul 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | or "almost done" anyway | Jul 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | like a 10 year old laptop with bad keys and dimmed screen | Jul 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm guilt-free now about this new lifestyle | Jul 24 11:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | no gym, no flights | Jul 24 11:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | if people ask me, I have the answers well prepared | Jul 24 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | same as the "when do you have kids?" BS | Jul 24 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | that too got even simpler to answer after covid, inflation, wars | Jul 24 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have answer with a question | Jul 24 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | *can answer | Jul 24 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is mostly a burden of rpoof thing | Jul 24 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need to convince me, to compel me, that your side makes any sense at all | Jul 24 11:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 11:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> With Windows, there are back doors. With Linux, however, you need to first get in somehow. The media fails to mention this. https://www.securityweek.com/intezer-documents-powerful-lightning-framework-linux-malware | Jul 24 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Intezer Documents Powerful 'Lightning Framework' Linux Malware | SecurityWeek.Com | Jul 24 11:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Intezer Documents Powerful 'Lightning Framework' Linux Malware | SecurityWeek.Com | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167589 | Jul 24 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science | Tux Machines | Jul 24 11:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science | Tux Machines | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> So don't run this script. Nobody forces you to. https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28860 | Jul 24 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center | Jul 24 11:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Using Microsoft backdoorsware to do "research" into security is a gas! https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28872 | Jul 24 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center | Jul 24 11:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Microsofters @ sans dot edu :-) ... about the cult, about the back doors, not about security | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | This only works if you've already taken over the machine https://www.securityweek.com/new-cross-platform-luna-ransomware-only-offered-russian-affiliates | Jul 24 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com | Jul 24 11:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com | Jul 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | SANS: let's use back doors OS in WINDOWS to "prove" SSH is 'dangerous'... | Jul 24 11:36 |
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| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Conflating targets with infects. Just because someone wishes to infect "Linux" with this thing doesn't mean it'll be feasible; with Windows there are back doors https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55138-linux-hit-by-a-rather-nasty-persistent-virus | Jul 24 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Linux hit by a rather nasty persistent virus | Jul 24 12:02 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's not even clever enough to be called FUD but the media publishes and | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the PHBs like it because it allows them to continue to rationalize their | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ongoing use of M$ | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | through the Microsoft Effect: all software has bugs therefore there is no | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | point in trying; even though the nature and quantity of bugs differ there | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by orders of magnitude | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a lot of the "certification" crowd have their panties in a twist over SSH | Jul 24 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | anyway for years | Jul 24 12:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> This is not security but Linux (Microsoft) Foundation propaganda and stigmatisation that distracts from the back doors https://www.computing.co.uk/feature/4053287/about-sboms-moves-secure-software-supply-chain | Jul 24 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computing.co.uk | All about SBOMs: the latest moves to secure the software supply chain | Jul 24 12:04 | |
| schestowitz-TR | no posts from Sandra-Henry-Stocker | Jul 24 12:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | YUNIX AS A SXECOND LANMGUAGE | Jul 24 12:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | since 2-03 weeks ago | Jul 24 12:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe IDG(China) is canning her too | Jul 24 12:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | no ad revenue from MSFT and co. | Jul 24 12:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 12:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | We can now show TM feed info by X recent entries and not just by date | Jul 24 12:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the date is not so useful if some time has passed, but is good if there | Jul 24 12:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | are a lot of entries over a shorter time | Jul 24 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm not sure what good practice is for entry per feed, it probably depends on density of entries and length of each | Jul 24 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but for people who refresh once a day ~50 latest should be enough | Jul 24 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | some detect duplicates based on titlte, some on datastamp and/or url | Jul 24 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | the idea is to make it visible again when a post gets updated | Jul 24 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | without creating yet another (new) page | Jul 24 12:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm starting to worry that some combinatino of both methods might be best | Jul 24 12:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | X records or since YYYYMMDD which ever is greater. | Jul 24 12:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | So should the list in latest-news.html | Jul 24 12:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | show the date, too? | Jul 24 12:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Right now it is title and description. | Jul 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the moment I am not even sure what to put under desc tbh | Jul 24 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | as we never had anything other than title, sometimes summary, then full text | Jul 24 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the latter two were always the sdame and merges | Jul 24 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | *merged | Jul 24 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | title only is too terse for a feed | Jul 24 13:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe desc can be name of site, which camelcase file can help derive for suggestions | Jul 24 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and this way it says something more than headline | Jul 24 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | also in latest-news | Jul 24 13:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that'd not be so useful information , hovering over the link will show | Jul 24 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the URL anyway | Jul 24 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but I'm talking about the feed for TM itself as renderd as an HTML definition | Jul 24 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | list (DL) in the file latest-news.html | Jul 24 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne would not like to write summaries and afaik linuxtoday and lxer just quote a portion from the article as the outline | Jul 24 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | so for a site that linsk to other sites that field is an enigma | Jul 24 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 13:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it | Jul 24 13:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's not so much an enigma but instead value added, a reason to follow TM | Jul 24 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder if the alga that inputs freeform text, tidied, from nano, can then derive something to be adopted for desc if desc is left blank | Jul 24 13:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | rather than just use the linked site's feed. | Jul 24 13:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It could, if there were some level of predictability about what ends up in | Jul 24 13:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the body | Jul 24 13:07 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | The description can be short, a one-liner. It does add a lot of usefulness | Jul 24 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to the feed and the ability to work with the records to produce pages. | Jul 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I understand, this shows up in | Jul 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) latest news | Jul 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) rss feeds | Jul 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | c) not in the page? | Jul 24 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a) latest-news (inserted into each page above the footer) | Jul 24 13:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | b) the Atom feed | Jul 24 13:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | c) the search engine results (iirc) for each post, if they get indexed | Jul 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | i see | Jul 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | 50 one liners a day is still a lot of lines to proofread ;-) and harder for rianne | Jul 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | many pages are clusters of links correlated to one another for that day | Jul 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, I understand. The site can be done without them, I am for now presenting | Jul 24 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the case for how they can be valuable. Then the description for a link | Jul 24 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | cluster would say more or less that. There's no reason not to re-use | Jul 24 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | such descriptions over and over | Jul 24 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | here is an idea | Jul 24 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | for TR, I can add editorial comments to a lot more picks | Jul 24 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and those would be some of the same comments that go as descriptions in TM | Jul 24 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, that would work | Jul 24 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne can lead it blank sometimes | Jul 24 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes | Jul 24 13:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's something to consider and only "needs" to be a line. Having that little | Jul 24 13:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | bit of more information helps people know what's at the link shown and | Jul 24 13:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | entices them to click, with more awareness than just random clicking | Jul 24 13:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Here is an example, see the second entry in the dl | Jul 24 13:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Jul 24 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml ) | Jul 24 13:23 | |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, you sold it to me | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | as a way to hit two bird with one stone | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | opportunity foreditorial comments and also adding something "new" in TM\ | Jul 24 13:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am guessing rianne can leave "-" if she has nothing special to say or use some placeholder text | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am going to add half a dozen nodes shortly | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | to exercise such a workflow | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | give me 10 mins, tea is on the hob | Jul 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the day in techrights page I see some unicode was mishandled a little, at least as shown as html | Jul 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've added 3 nodes and am adding some more with descriptions now | Jul 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | tried to refresh the pages, probably ran the wrong commands (outdated) | Jul 24 13:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | which URL? | Jul 24 13:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Jul 24 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 24 13:47 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It seems to be that way in the original body in the database. | Jul 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the issue might be at terminal/alpine/console/data entry/clipboard | Jul 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will try to pay close attention | Jul 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can now refresh or add all the new thingsa in the DB | Jul 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've lost track of what command upates which page/.s | Jul 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | finished adding nodes for now | Jul 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | inc. proper desc | Jul 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I prctices the workflow | Jul 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | terminal in same page as TM add node | Jul 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | and passing around the description between 3 windows to recycle the extra effort | Jul 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | it worked well | Jul 24 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | could be, I'm looking into some questions about it | Jul 24 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it seems to get /into/ the database ok, so the problem must be in the other | Jul 24 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | script(s) | Jul 24 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | excellent | Jul 24 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | examining the editing script, it may be an option with tidy | Jul 24 13:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | as a side note, original tuxmmacines cannot and could never handle eoji | Jul 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | high-0numbered unicode makes it sort of panic and stop processing at the char | Jul 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure if it'sa DB-level limitation | Jul 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | given the age of that DB | Jul 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | which in some sense became dead end since xrevan said innodb migration routes were far from trivial | Jul 24 14:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 14:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok something does not like any kind of HTML entities in the text, checking further | Jul 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | editing/updaitng howtos to add new ones | Jul 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking the options | Jul 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | managed to update | Jul 24 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure how to export to html now | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | (found yet another difficult utf8 bug, probably with sqlite3) | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | export to HTML : | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -d $(date -d '-2 days' +'%F') -s | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the -v is optional and the -f is only needed if updating existing files | Jul 24 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I should wrap it all in a script | Jul 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, now it shows up correctly | Jul 24 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | what the old site cannot do is, bump updated posts in front page or rss | Jul 24 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | this way, insted of ~3 "today's [sic] howtos" per day it can be just one for the day | Jul 24 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | with updates that add more links periodically | Jul 24 15:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Jul 24 15:16 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 15:16 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | well either the utf8 situation has been improved or worsened | Jul 24 17:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | either way there are some changes in Git now | Jul 24 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | back from 2-hour nap, working till 1am now | Jul 24 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | but will catch up with links | Jul 24 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had dreams working on the beta site | Jul 24 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | lots of very detailed dreams | Jul 24 17:30 |
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| schestowitz-TR | lun duke doing a onlyfans again | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | wasting time write "meta" stuff | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | and diluting the signal imho | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if the blog is about selling subs | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | riddle me this | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | why did he abandon his OWN site | Jul 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | for this third party that is obscure and likely proprietary? | Jul 24 18:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not sure, he's not been firing on all cylinders since before he got sick | Jul 24 18:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | correlated to the mental crisis | Jul 24 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | like fianncial etc. | Jul 24 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | oir literally brain damagew (physical)? | Jul 24 18:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | probably both | Jul 24 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | in a kingdom full of covid-19 recoverees a person without it is in for a helluva time | Jul 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | or, maybe more competitive, nopt sure | Jul 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've long said it about people who waste their time with "smart" phones | Jul 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | trying to get "work" done on 5-inch (or smaller) screens | Jul 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | (saw even a prof friend wasting his time like this, his workstation at uni has 4 screens) | Jul 24 18:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 24 19:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | one can spend 20 times the time and effort doing a clumsy job on a smartphone | Jul 24 19:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or else wait until a reasonable computer is available and get the job done | Jul 24 19:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in a tiny fraction of the time and effort; but then again "smart" phones are | Jul 24 19:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | about engagment and not efficinency or ease of use | Jul 24 19:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | literally 30 secs ago I read Ruben Schade writing about his dreeam where he loses the "phone" | Jul 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had a pattern of dreams before when I enter water with the PDA still inside my pocket | Jul 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | must have happened hundreds of times, must be a common theme for other people too | Jul 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | other common dreams: you're back in schools doing exams, needing to attend classes, sometimes showing up barely dressed in thr wrong place, teeth falling out, | Jul 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | those seem to be rather common themes | Jul 24 19:02 |
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| schestowitz-TR | good news | Jul 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | my uncle is OK | Jul 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | he made it | Jul 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | just needs some therapy for a while ahead | Jul 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that puts an end to some really bad thoughts I've been having lately | Jul 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | he wrote a long message directly this time, not via son | Jul 24 20:15 |
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| schestowitz-TR | he is old enough to tell ww2 stories where he was stationed in germany as a troop | Jul 24 20:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | (for us) | Jul 24 20:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | excellent. I'm glad to hear he is doing ok, | Jul 24 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have been anxious for a week | Jul 24 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes, understandably | Jul 24 20:33 |
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| mjg59_ | schestowitz-TR: I'm genuinely glad to hear about your uncle, and I know that must have been stressful. | Jul 24 22:44 |
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