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[04:07] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [04:08] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [04:08] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [04:08] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [04:08] *asusbox (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:08] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:08] *rianne (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:13] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:13] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:46] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:48] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:52] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:52] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 25 [05:12] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:14] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:14] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:15] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-j7a7ih.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:57] schestowitz-TR gm [05:57] schestowitz-TR emergency-ish here [05:57] schestowitz-TR we had 1.5 hour electric outage [05:57] schestowitz-TR do not try to retreieve [05:57] schestowitz-TR ipfs stuff just yet [05:57] schestowitz-TR it has not run yet [05:57] schestowitz-TR worse yet, I cannot gegt wlan to show up on the pi [05:57] schestowitz-TR after the reboot [05:57] schestowitz-TR upon boot iy says "failked to start Load Kernel Module" [05:57] schestowitz-TR then it goes into the desktopop OK [05:57] schestowitz-TR but it seems like wireless option is hard to get going [05:57] schestowitz-TR any pointers? [05:57] Techrights-sec I wondered why no access to gemini.techrights.org [05:57] Techrights-sec wlan troubles here too [05:57] Techrights-sec can you do a system update? [05:58] schestowitz-TR About half these are Microsoft, for the second day in a row, but the corrupt media lets Microsoft badmouth "Linux" over admins who choose lousy passwords. These are actively-exploited Microsoft holes! https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/24/cisa-adds-20-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [05:58] schestowitz-TR for system update I would need a connection I assume [05:58] schestowitz-TR unless you think it will try to amend something locally, too [05:58] schestowitz-TR does it have ethernet port? or over usb? [05:59] Techrights-sec What about the package 'debsums" ? [05:59] Techrights-sec no Ethernet at all? [05:59] Techrights-sec It has Ethernet next to the USB ports ● May 25 [06:00] schestowitz-TR i am goint to try [06:00] schestowitz-TR icidentally, I am getting to test my usb clone of the system [06:00] schestowitz-TR brb [06:19] schestowitz-TR a) usb boots OK [06:19] schestowitz-TR b) usb very slow for anything, both on rianne's and mine [06:19] schestowitz-TR c) when it finally booted wlan0 worked [06:19] schestowitz-TR but it's an old backup of the whole system, and slow [06:19] schestowitz-TR d) gooing back to sd card [06:19] schestowitz-TR e) running system update now [06:19] schestowitz-TR linux (kernel) has no new version, I assume maybe version update broke it (I did system update about 2 weeks ago) [06:19] schestowitz-TR f) eth0 works fine, I didn't even remember the pi4 has it [06:19] Techrights-sec ack [06:24] Techrights-sec ack [06:24] Techrights-sec f) it's not quite 1Gb/s but close [06:24] Techrights-sec but most home networks are probably still only 100Mb/s [06:30] schestowitz-TR no, wait, yoiu leap ahead [06:30] schestowitz-TR so I did full system update [06:30] schestowitz-TR no linux update was there [06:30] schestowitz-TR you said you too lost wifi ####################################### [06:30] schestowitz-TR so I told rianne not to update hers # ########################## # [06:30] schestowitz-TR when rebooting now it is the same issue [06:30] schestowitz-TR wifi works OK when I bot from the older clone [06:30] schestowitz-TR I chedked how to boot the pi with an older klernel [06:30] schestowitz-TR knowing it does not use grub [06:31] Techrights-sec ssh: connect to host gemini.techrights.org port 22: No route to host [06:31] Techrights-sec DNS may be out of date? [06:35] schestowitz-TR do you know how to choose another kernel? I looked up some info, but it was not too useful [06:35] schestowitz-TR assuming the pi does kerp old kernels and lets me select these [06:35] Techrights-sec ack [06:35] Techrights-sec is that in /boot/config.txt ? [06:37] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:40] Techrights-sec if so, then shutdown and remove USB drive, mount it in another machine, [06:40] Techrights-sec edit the file and then return it and boot [06:43] Techrights-sec maybe copy the data over to the clone and use that? [06:44] schestowitz-TR ok [06:44] schestowitz-TR well, the clone is out od date [06:44] schestowitz-TR and the approch does not solve the issue [06:44] schestowitz-TR I may try to downgrade the kernel [06:44] schestowitz-TR it it does not seem too risky an approach [06:48] schestowitz-TR I have looked at config.txt [06:48] schestowitz-TR the options there do not allude to older kernel [06:48] schestowitz-TR I do not use a USB drive, I'm back to using the SD card [06:48] schestowitz-TR the goal is to boot into a state where wlan works again [06:48] schestowitz-TR (I did test wlan works if I boot into the USB clone) ● May 25 [07:16] Techrights-sec RPi systems are easier to replace than repair by swapping out the storage medium [07:26] schestowitz-TR I am going to try to run it close to me, with ethernet, headless [07:26] Techrights-sec ack [07:58] schestowitz-TR I have restored things one by one [07:58] schestowitz-TR soon the ipfs processes will be fully caught up with [07:58] schestowitz-TR nginx is failing [07:58] schestowitz-TR I don't know hy yet [07:58] schestowitz-TR *why [07:58] schestowitz-TR would you like to see the error it gives? [07:58] schestowitz-TR maybe a newer version of it was unhappy with configs? [07:58] schestowitz-TR I think when I did system updates it already restarted nginx as part of the process ● May 25 [08:01] schestowitz-TR [emerg] socket() [::]:80 failed 97: address family not supported by prtotocol) [08:11] schestowitz-TR OK, I think that the ipfs bits are ready to pick up now from the pi [08:11] schestowitz-TR the internal ip changed from 82 to 84 in D block [08:11] schestowitz-TR maybe some future system update will 'fix' wifi [08:11] schestowitz-TR for now, http/s, gemini and ssh route to the ethernet address [08:18] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:18] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:28] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-240522.html#tMay%2024%2016:37:41 [08:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 [08:41] schestowitz-TR my connection requires that I run the tc scripts on the pi [08:41] schestowitz-TR I changed ip=wlan to eth [08:41] schestowitz-TR but it than acts unhappyabout running the commands [08:41] schestowitz-TR as if they are only working with wlan [08:41] schestowitz-TR I guess eome other scripts alsdo make references to that [08:41] schestowitz-TR I also had to change internal references to the name of the mchine [08:41] schestowitz-TR whioch is not the same when it is on ethernet [08:42] Techrights-sec ack [08:44] Techrights-sec yes, but the wifi problem can be at the router posisbly [08:44] schestowitz-TR the upside is that there are now better fallback and maybe some time in the future the wifi issue will be [08:44] schestowitz-TR solved by system update [08:44] schestowitz-TR more iurgent that the geminiproxy/nginx, I need to figure out the traffic shaping [08:44] schestowitz-TR as my connecction is slow [08:44] schestowitz-TR and rianne's aloso [08:46] schestowitz-TR it looks like some kernel thing [08:46] schestowitz-TR as wlan is not even being loaded after the reboot [08:46] schestowitz-TR like a missing component [08:46] schestowitz-TR and it works ok with the old snapshot running off the sub stick [08:48] Techrights-sec ack [08:48] schestowitz-TR something in the OS itself has changed [08:48] schestowitz-TR I am so tired, been up since 2:40 [08:48] schestowitz-TR I just want to get tc right [08:48] schestowitz-TR and then take a break ● May 25 [09:00] Techrights-sec ack [09:01] schestowitz-TR going tito get much-needed sleep [09:01] schestowitz-TR losing health over it not worth iit given [09:01] Techrights-sec ack [09:01] schestowitz-TR that more critical things are unning again [09:01] schestowitz-TR the outage did not cause me as much trouble as the pi losing wlan [09:19] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:19] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-j7a7ih.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 25 [10:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:20] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:20] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 25 [11:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:48] Techrights-sec that's good news then [11:48] Techrights-sec that the outage was minimal [11:50] schestowitz-TR back [11:50] schestowitz-TR at the end there were two unrelated issues [11:50] schestowitz-TR 1) pi after updated [11:50] schestowitz-TR 2) 1.5 hours of outage [11:51] schestowitz-TR first such outage in 15 years [11:51] schestowitz-TR I was a lot younger when last experiencingf an outage that's not my own fault and fixable on the stop [11:51] schestowitz-TR rianne and I were like zombies, much better now [11:51] schestowitz-TR priority now is 1) fix tc (maybe kernel change is the culprit?) [11:51] schestowitz-TR s) fix the gemini-proxy or rather nginx ● May 25 [12:04] schestowitz-TR Suffered my first electric outage (not caused by myself and immediately fixable in the fuse box) since more than 15 years ago! Shocking that the emergency line for this used a robot to pick up call. Emergency lines should send you directly to a person. [12:04] Techrights-sec ack [12:51] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:51] *activelow (~activelow@6h225yswjsmje.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 25 [14:08] schestowitz x https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4050185/microsoft-open-sources-adatest-toxigen [14:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computing.co.uk | Microsoft open-sources tools to create safer language models [14:08] schestowitz x https://www.techcityng.com/applications-open-for-the-microsoft-africa-development-center-adc-open-source-connect-for-developers/ [14:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techcityng.com | Applications open for the Microsoft Africa Development Center (ADC) Open Source Connect for developers - TechCity [14:10] schestowitz x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3661673/adobe-tightens-microsoft-integration-for-document-management-validation.html [14:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Adobe tightens Microsoft integration for document management, validation | Computerworld ● May 25 [15:04] psydruid Adobe trying to keep its friends relevant [15:05] schestowitz-TR shared crises [15:07] psydruid that's why I always disregard people's discounting GNU/Linux for not having Adobe and Autodesk products [15:08] schestowitz-TR I understand those people [15:08] schestowitz-TR some have worked for 20 years with these [15:08] schestowitz-TR they know no other way [15:08] schestowitz-TR they dee autocad [15:08] schestowitz-TR not windows [15:08] schestowitz-TR and some have used "Mac" for 20 years [15:08] schestowitz-TR so they see no other way [15:08] schestowitz-TR but that perception can change [15:08] schestowitz-TR psydruid: are you good at iptables and nftables [15:08] psydruid if you are flexible enough you can learn anything [15:09] schestowitz-TR Techrights-sec seems to be offline at the moment [15:09] schestowitz-TR yeah, but Techrights-sec spent a lot of time learning these, I spend 2 hours today in vain [15:09] schestowitz-TR I think we need to rewrite our traffic shapers [15:09] psydruid I worked for one of these CAD/CAM companies as a technical support [15:09] schestowitz-TR Debian decided to move to newer packages that are not compatible with old [15:09] schestowitz-TR I already had to fix 3 broken things [15:09] psydruid So I know what I'm talking about [15:10] schestowitz-TR or work around [15:10] schestowitz-TR technical support is awful experience [15:10] schestowitz-TR you get abuse [15:10] psydruid I haven't worked with iptables directly [15:10] psydruid That's why I eventually quit [15:10] schestowitz-TR the pi was forcibly reboot [sic] [15:10] schestowitz-TR we had the first such outage in over 15 years [15:11] schestowitz-TR I was joking to myself about Putler flicking a switch [15:11] schestowitz-TR just to "fuck with us" [15:11] schestowitz-TR but at 2:50am in summer power usage is very low [15:12] schestowitz-TR psydruid: yes, better even garden than handle people on the phone MORE so people who are ANGRY as something went WRONG [15:12] psydruid I used to set up Slackware with Shorewall for an easier interface to iptables [15:12] schestowitz-TR Now I don't even want to make a snapshot/clone of the pi [15:12] psydruid Most customers were nice, except for the French, who have no matters [15:13] psydruid manners* [15:13] schestowitz-TR because of all the things 'broken' with the latest patches [15:13] schestowitz-TR France has a reputation for it [15:13] schestowitz-TR not just in EPO [15:13] schestowitz-TR what a strange day it has been today [15:14] psydruid Sometimes they started cursing and I am the kind of person who treats others the way he is treated himself [15:14] schestowitz-TR pushing infra changes to git [15:14] schestowitz-TR let me put it crudely [15:14] psydruid Can you go back to a previous working state? [15:14] schestowitz-TR jobs suck [15:14] schestowitz-TR IT jobs suck more [15:15] schestowitz-TR an artilce in The Register 1-2 years ago [15:15] schestowitz-TR said something to the effect of [15:15] schestowitz-TR 90% of people in tech or IT or software [15:15] schestowitz-TR (cannot recall which) [15:15] schestowitz-TR dislike their job [15:15] psydruid I am considering non-IT jobs in the future too [15:15] schestowitz-TR the worst part is working on stress [15:15] schestowitz-TR like downtime, data loss, things breaking [15:15] schestowitz-TR that's when the health is also impacted [15:16] schestowitz-TR I woke up after just 3 hours of sleep, stayed up 6 hours [15:16] psydruid I know when I was working for that company I didn't even feel like staying in the workplace for lunch [15:16] schestowitz-TR until I decided that I fixed "enough" of the "more important" things [15:16] psydruid So I went home not to see or hear from anyone [15:16] psydruid And I put on weight because of the stress [15:16] schestowitz-TR makes sense [15:16] schestowitz-TR do not before close friend of colleague [15:16] schestowitz-TR or relationships [15:16] schestowitz-TR *become [15:17] schestowitz-TR need to separate the worlds [15:17] schestowitz-TR when I worked in burger king my girlfriend was a colleague [15:17] schestowitz-TR it's getting a bit awkward sometimes [15:17] psydruid I've always been pursued in the workplace, but held it off ● May 25 [16:03] schestowitz-TR psydruid: FURTHER (oops, caps) to main channel powwow [16:03] schestowitz-TR I mentioned you on the phone [16:03] schestowitz-TR to the man I spoke to [16:03] schestowitz-TR he worked in IT [16:03] schestowitz-TR found it stressful [16:04] schestowitz-TR now does power supplier stuff [16:04] schestowitz-TR the good thing here is, power cuts are avoided in crowded places [16:04] schestowitz-TR in bohol some people have had no power for 6 months [16:04] schestowitz-TR due to the hurricane [16:04] psydruid I think people in IT are undervalued, especially if they have degrees in CS [16:05] schestowitz-TR maybe there is an oversupply [16:05] psydruid you learn all this theory and these advanced skills [16:05] schestowitz-TR they moan about "shortages" to lower the salaries [16:05] schestowitz-TR by increasing oversupply [16:05] schestowitz-TR and not even training and teaching properly [16:05] psydruid and then you go into the workplace and do all kinds of boring things [16:05] schestowitz-TR shit like "AWS certification" [16:05] psydruid for which you don't even need the degree [16:06] schestowitz-TR yes, that's another issue [16:06] schestowitz-TR and it is why rianne and I want to leave our job [16:06] schestowitz-TR we lost some staff [16:06] schestowitz-TR so sometimes we do shit jobs of people who left [16:06] schestowitz-TR I already drafted something about going part time [16:06] schestowitz-TR at first about leaving [16:06] schestowitz-TR but I softened my stance [16:06] schestowitz-TR a friend read my draft yesterday [16:07] schestowitz-TR after speaking to the power supplier our address is registered like a business [16:07] schestowitz-TR so maybe we can live up to that [16:07] schestowitz-TR and do techrights full time, not that stupid job full time [16:07] schestowitz-TR more people need to do their own thing [16:07] schestowitz-TR but gov gives subsidies to very wealthy (graft) copmpanies [16:07] schestowitz-TR and they eat all the pie [16:08] schestowitz-TR the only way out of it is to not play their game [16:08] schestowitz-TR self-hosting is one [16:08] schestowitz-TR our company sometimes feels like resellers [16:08] schestowitz-TR we used to have our OWN RACKS in the office [16:08] schestowitz-TR now the media says everyone needs THE CLOWN [16:09] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:11] psydruid I think we should try to change the system [16:12] psydruid The big problem is most companies siding with government and surveillance capitalism businesses [16:12] schestowitz-TR it is a marriage of convenience [16:12] schestowitz-TR gov, military, large companies [16:12] psydruid With the objective of keeping technical people out of top jobs and companies [16:12] schestowitz-TR spying and hoarding taxpayers' money [16:12] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:12] schestowitz-TR now the energy copmpanies and food giants make huge profits [16:13] *activelow (~activelow@74573q3ezrepn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:13] schestowitz-TR having killed off the small shops drting pandemic [16:13] psydruid It's technologists vs business people [16:13] schestowitz-TR prices went up by a lot [16:13] psydruid And we should realize that [16:13] schestowitz-TR the other thing is demoting techs [16:13] schestowitz-TR because they are seen as a threat to the 'empty suits' [16:13] schestowitz-TR see EPO [16:14] schestowitz-TR bankers and politicians or MBAs at the top [16:14] schestowitz-TR no science [16:14] schestowitz-TR the scientists are treated like farmers [16:18] psydruid I'm in favour of reversing this situation [16:18] psydruid with scientists at the top and bankers and politicians at the bottom [16:19] schestowitz-TR but we need to organise [16:19] schestowitz-TR or unionise across firms [16:19] schestowitz-TR there are some movements [16:19] schestowitz-TR but too scattered [16:19] schestowitz-TR gnu helped coders as "hackers" do this [16:20] schestowitz-TR and bypass proprietary unix [16:20] schestowitz-TR so now there are optinos [16:20] schestowitz-TR bsd also [16:27] schestowitz-TR Techrights-sec: [16:27] schestowitz-TR aha [16:27] schestowitz-TR and we're back [16:30] psydruid Scientists are competing too much against one another for jobs and salaries [16:30] psydruid So yes, I agree about unionising [16:38] schestowitz-TR EPO uses "promotion" to create hostility [16:38] schestowitz-TR but the union points back at the real issues [16:39] schestowitz-TR which is not colleagues [16:39] schestowitz-TR but the dictators who plunder everyone [16:39] schestowitz-TR EPO is a "success story" for unions [16:39] schestowitz-TR I wonder if I should make a statement on today's service interruption [16:40] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[16:40] schestowitz-TR the main issue is the Debian 11 kernel update [16:40] schestowitz-TR seems to have broken at least 4 services [16:41] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:41] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:42] psydruid Yes [16:42] schestowitz-TR that'st the part I really hate about tech [16:42] psydruid This shouldn't happen in a "stable" release [16:42] schestowitz-TR it is stressful [16:42] schestowitz-TR tech needs to be judged by what happens when things go wrong [16:43] psydruid So standards seem to be slipping [16:43] schestowitz-TR like kids bullied into suicide in FB [16:43] schestowitz-TR or shamed into it [16:43] schestowitz-TR or when businesses lose a ton of data [16:43] schestowitz-TR or server suffer major breach [16:43] schestowitz-TR ransomware too [16:43] schestowitz-TR and people then skip a night's sleep [16:43] psydruid That's always my way of thinking [16:44] schestowitz-TR same for relationships [16:44] schestowitz-TR 'thehoneymoonisover" [16:44] schestowitz-TR so they say [16:44] psydruid Test for breakage instead of only proper functioning [16:44] schestowitz-TR as if marriage is just some long vacation [16:44] schestowitz-TR I even plugged in the usb clone [16:44] schestowitz-TR wifi was OK [16:44] schestowitz-TR I then used ethernet to bring everything up to date [16:44] schestowitz-TR checked old kernels [16:45] schestowitz-TR but that did not fix wifi [16:45] schestowitz-TR Techrights-sec told me to just throw it away and use the clone [16:45] schestowitz-TR as it would be faster [16:45] schestowitz-TR based on experience [16:45] schestowitz-TR with those types of devices [16:45] psydruid I had this with a Debian 11 install a few months ago [16:45] schestowitz-TR people used to say sound broke [16:45] schestowitz-TR after they had upgraded [16:46] psydruid I applied updates and networking stopped working [16:46] psydruid So I did a reinstall [16:46] schestowitz-TR to me, eth0 still works [16:46] schestowitz-TR I need to rewrite some scripts and stuff [16:46] psydruid As I couldn't be bothered figuring out what exactly went wrong [16:46] schestowitz-TR and it needs to be close to the router now [16:59] schestowitz-TR rianne and I are joking today that Putler is flicking the switch on and off [16:59] schestowitz-TR to feel how much power -- pardom the pun -- he has [16:59] schestowitz-TR I spoke for over 30 mins with the power supplier [16:59] schestowitz-TR the upstream one [16:59] schestowitz-TR got our addressed registered as "high priority" ● May 25 [17:02] schestowitz-TR I spent a coupld of hours messing with tc, seeing that we now use "deprecated" tools and commands [17:03] schestowitz-TR tried to work around that, as ipfs takes up the b/w at home [17:03] Techrights-sec did you try it with nftables [17:03] Techrights-sec ack [17:03] schestowitz-TR I reckon the commands can be converted to nftables [17:04] schestowitz-TR but do not know how [17:04] schestowitz-TR There are similar issues people have with RHEL 8 [17:04] schestowitz-TR and some compatibility fallbacks [17:04] schestowitz-TR like patches for the kernel [17:04] schestowitz-TR but in the long run using these tools will get harder [17:04] schestowitz-TR until rewritten [17:04] schestowitz-TR this is less of an iissue [17:04] schestowitz-TR I did fix the logger and the nginx stuff, pushed to git [17:04] schestowitz-TR so the only remaining PITA is tc [17:04] schestowitz-TR maybe some time in the future the kernel will pick up wlan OK [17:05] schestowitz-TR what complicates me fixing this is that I barely have a grasp of how the tc scripts work at the moment [17:05] schestowitz-TR but I reckon a mapping from one command to another would solve this [17:05] schestowitz-TR we vey much r ely on this for all tasks and computer [17:05] schestowitz-TR as the network is slow and ipfs is still useful enough [17:05] schestowitz-TR the issue with ipfs taking up a lot of bw is widely known [17:05] schestowitz-TR because it needs to scatter many copies around, that's the whole point of it [17:06] Techrights-sec the main problem with tc is that it runs on a host within the LAN rather than [17:06] Techrights-sec the LAN's router [17:06] Techrights-sec can IPFS be adjusted to not use more than a certain amount of bandwidth on its [17:06] Techrights-sec own? [17:06] schestowitz-TR I looked into it again this morning, with newer docs, but people suggest traffic shaping [17:09] Techrights-sec ack [17:09] schestowitz-TR we have long known that iptablkes is being phased out [17:09] schestowitz-TR and now there's an opportunity to future-proof the setup [17:09] schestowitz-TR The news is slow today, but I hardly slpt and my RSS feeds need cleaning [17:09] schestowitz-TR at least all key services are fully restored [17:09] schestowitz-TR inc. ones I did not push to git, like changing to the devices name [17:09] schestowitz-TR it now has two 'profiles', LAN Eth and WLAN [17:16] psydruid It's still inexcusable for such changes to take place in a stable distribution [17:16] schestowitz-TR yes, I mean.. [17:16] schestowitz-TR likle breaking apis and compatibility [17:17] schestowitz-TR with apt/apt-get update [17:17] schestowitz-TR not upgrade [17:17] schestowitz-TR just leave it the fuck alone [17:17] schestowitz-TR it works, it runs [17:17] schestowitz-TR no upgrades [17:17] schestowitz-TR maybe security fixes, that's enough [17:17] schestowitz-TR like nginx suddenly complaining about the config files [17:18] schestowitz-TR because the syntax that was OK before it's not "Emerg"(ency) [17:18] schestowitz-TR so the gemini proxy was down for like 9 hours [17:20] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [17:25] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@gkzts8j8yqmh2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:25] Techrights-sec ack [17:25] Techrights-sec I should look at NFTables again soon. [17:28] schestowitz-TR thanks so much [17:28] schestowitz-TR we have two tc scripts that are called by gemini [17:28] schestowitz-TR at the moment they do nothing [17:28] schestowitz-TR they fail to run [17:28] schestowitz-TR fixing this is more to do with "convenience" (latency etc.) than uptime [17:28] schestowitz-TR afaik, I did fix or work around all the other issues [17:28] schestowitz-TR but I will babysit tonight's scripts in real time just to be sure [17:28] schestowitz-TR along the way on multiple machines at home we made things more robust in case of a next incident [17:31] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:42] Techrights-sec ack ● May 25 [18:08] schestowitz-TR my energy provider is eager to protect what we have here in terms ofreisilience [18:08] schestowitz-TR the person I spoke to used to work as tech in telecoms [18:08] schestowitz-TR so the network side [18:08] schestowitz-TR BT uptime has been superb so far this year [18:08] schestowitz-TR no outages at all, just those annoying firmware updates without prior warnings, followd by IP address roll-over [18:08] schestowitz-TR at leasy my vague and basic understanding is that iptables is being replaced and phased out [18:08] schestowitz-TR for good, solid, factual reasons [18:08] schestowitz-TR technical reasons, not some corporation shoehorning vendor lockin [18:09] Techrights-sec ack [18:09] Techrights-sec yes and nftables is easier to use just it's missing the enormous wealth of [18:09] Techrights-sec (good, bad, terrible) tutorials [18:10] schestowitz-TR today's news is (so far) clean of Microsoft shitposts [18:10] schestowitz-TR so far... [18:10] schestowitz-TR so we can be offeensive with positive stuff, not "defensive" [18:11] schestowitz-TR Spamnil headline 3 hours ago: "Your Much Loved macOS Linux Terminal..." Waaah??? "macOS Linux Terminal"? The kernel has a terminal? Linux is MacOSX? macOS? When clueless people are propped up by Jim and Sheela Zemlin... to attack tech (no spamnil has no tech skills) [18:12] Techrights-sec ack [18:12] Techrights-sec though Apple's, Microsoft's, John Deer's, and other's astroturfers have been [18:12] Techrights-sec active in framing Apple's repair kit in a way that attacks right to repair and [18:12] Techrights-sec tries to further erode the right [18:13] schestowitz-TR those are other battles [18:13] schestowitz-TR like Florian told me last month, better for us to focus on upc and epo [18:13] schestowitz-TR he tackles apple's abuses a lot these days [18:13] schestowitz-TR there are 3 people I know who write 24/7 about fight or right to repair [18:13] schestowitz-TR they can explain it a lot better than me [18:14] Techrights-sec yes, of course, but one to check on from time to time because it is increasingly [18:14] Techrights-sec crossing into software and with it licensing and, lately, into software patents [18:14] Techrights-sec yes, that too, however, the increasing misuse of patents and the incursion of [18:14] Techrights-sec software patents into the fight is sometign to be aware of and check on from [18:14] Techrights-sec time to time [18:15] schestowitz-TR maybe there are clips or portions of clips that can illuminate this [18:15] schestowitz-TR as expalined by other people [18:15] Techrights-sec good idea. I'll try to make note next time sw patents come up in one of the [18:15] Techrights-sec vlogs [18:17] schestowitz-TR very improbable I'll make videos today as the wind was out of my sails by 9am and I'm just trying to survive [18:17] schestowitz-TR as feed items pile up and we only posted 10 nodes in drupal so far today (usually it's about 50 per day), except weekends [18:19] schestowitz-TR I spoke to the nortjhwest power manager [18:19] schestowitz-TR and he said that for the router and the pit it makes sense to get a ups [18:19] schestowitz-TR as the exchanges run on backup batteries anyway [18:19] schestowitz-TR and a ups for small devices should be 50-80 pounds [18:19] schestowitz-TR if we have another ppoower cut, I'll go purchase something [18:19] schestowitz-TR the laoptops have batteries [18:19] schestowitz-TR all of them have working batteries, some last longer than others [18:19] Techrights-sec :/ [18:19] Techrights-sec problems like power outages will do that [18:19] Techrights-sec would a UPS for one or two of the computers have helped? [18:20] schestowitz-TR cost of ups ~ 4 hours of babysitting elephants in librewold [18:20] schestowitz-TR so we don't have to wake up colleagues [18:20] schestowitz-TR (for the NOC, which is useless if you work in the blind) [18:24] schestowitz-TR I reckon we'll live and operate like this for a llong time to come [18:24] schestowitz-TR given recent circumstances [18:24] schestowitz-TR hence renewing domain for 5 years as well [18:24] schestowitz-TR the savings alone can assure that [18:24] schestowitz-TR I've manually checked the gzx file this afternoion [18:24] schestowitz-TR those are the bread and butter of the sites [18:24] Techrights-sec ack [18:24] schestowitz-TR though the file system matters as well [18:24] schestowitz-TR with fibreoptics I'd have backups it up a lot more often rather than rely on RAID and on you [18:25] Techrights-sec I don't feel comfortable until problems with the filesystem are ru;ed out [18:27] schestowitz-TR yes, hence the need to reduce working hours [18:27] schestowitz-TR the time seems right [18:27] schestowitz-TR and we made the decision (final) even before the employer communicated anything [18:28] schestowitz-TR now we have excuse and opportunity [18:28] schestowitz-TR I already ponsoered years ago either passing to rianne or going part time [18:28] schestowitz-TR but the money was easy and I feared it would insult the boss [18:28] schestowitz-TR like "OK, I'm out, but plkease keep rianne in" [18:28] schestowitz-TR becaause it comes as a set [18:28] schestowitz-TR (when sareen was being a gas I threatened to quit and the boss reacted in panic sucking up [18:28] schestowitz-TR and staff; she was sacked shortly after that) [18:29] schestowitz-TR work politics is toxic shit that wears you down [18:29] schestowitz-TR working 9-5 and communiting fnished you, even if you could in theory, type away and blog 7pm to midmnight [18:30] schestowitz-TR you do not have the mental and emotional capacity anymore [18:30] schestowitz-TR it is a hidden enemy [18:30] Techrights-sec yep and those that don't do any work or anything constructive at all, sahy [18:30] Techrights-sec microsofters, have all the time in the world to wear down productive people [18:30] Techrights-sec with their politics [18:31] schestowitz-TR when getting older some people regret having been "budy making money" (they cannot even use up, just waste like "business c [18:32] schestowitz-TR class seats") when they could in fact use the time doing something personal [18:32] schestowitz-TR and at 40 you do start to wonder... [18:33] schestowitz-TR heck, you cpould be that "professional clock [18:33] schestowitz-TR "along the lines ofm "biological clock" (typically a feminine term) [18:37] Techrights-sec microsofters often run the clock out on projects, making them miss deadlines [18:37] Techrights-sec and fail through obstruction [18:37] Techrights-sec delay, and interference [18:37] Techrights-sec since they never get measure by the same criteria, they can fail all day [18:37] Techrights-sec every day and only get praised and promoted for it [18:38] schestowitz-TR and when all else fails, outsource [18:38] schestowitz-TR to places where they still retain some actual engineerrs [18:38] schestowitz-TR on borrowed money [18:38] schestowitz-TR because they lack a business model [18:38] schestowitz-TR too obsssessed with grabbing all the "share" ("market") [18:38] Techrights-sec oh, too bad, it was almost ready, if there had only been a little [18:38] Techrights-sec more time/money/upgrades [18:47] schestowitz Security mjg being pawned again (or pwn3d rather) [18:47] schestowitz I want to spend more time in irc if I spend less time on the job [18:48] Techrights-sec ack [18:58] schestowitz-TR "The malware creates a working directory %TEMP%\\OfficeInit and copies to it INIT and cmpbk32.dll files, as well as a legitimate 32-bit Windows executable cmdl32.exe from either System32 or SysWOW64 folder, depending on if the operating system is 32 or 64 bit." https://research.checkpoint.com/2022/twisted-panda-chinese-apt-espionage-operation-against-russians-state-owned-defense-institutes/ [18:58] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- research.checkpoint.com | Twisted Panda: Chinese APT espionage operation against Russians state-owned defense institutes - Check Point Research [18:58] schestowitz-TR "Filename: eset_ssl_filtered_cert_importer.exe SHA-1 hash: 796362BD0304E305AD120576B6A8FB6721108752 ESET detection name: Win32/Agent.AEGY" https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/05/20/sandworm-ukraine-new-version-arguepatch-malware-loader/ [18:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-research.checkpoint.com | Twisted Panda: Chinese APT espionage operation against Russians state-owned defense institutes - Check Point Research [18:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Sandworm uses a new version of ArguePatch to attack targets in Ukraine | WeLiveSecurity [18:58] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Sandworm uses a new version of ArguePatch to attack targets in Ukraine | WeLiveSecurity ● May 25 [19:21] Techrights-sec ack [19:30] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:47] schestowitz-TR "Despite assurances by Eben Upton that theres no supply shortage of Raspberry Pi CM4 modules for commercial and industrial customers, installations or projects requiring just a few modules may be out of luck. So alternatives are needed" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/25/raspberry-pi-cm4-compatible-module-amlogic-a311d-cpu/ [19:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cnx-software.com | Raspberry Pi CM4 compatible module coming soon with Amlogic A311D CPU - CNX Software [19:49] Techrights-sec ack [19:49] Techrights-sec ack; not all the manufacturing can take place in Wales yet, and of course [19:49] Techrights-sec there is the matter of the components too [19:49] schestowitz-TR not computer enthusiats hoard components [19:49] schestowitz-TR car makers do [19:49] schestowitz-TR and of course CrankCoin people [19:49] schestowitz-TR but they are buying into duds that lack value or lose value very rapidly [19:57] Techrights-sec not the enthusiasts but the manufacturers of chips and other basic parts [19:57] Techrights-sec their not hoarding but are just not able to make enough [19:57] Techrights-sec scalpers are another problem and a big one which has popped up rather recently [19:58] Techrights-sec in response to the shortage [19:58] Techrights-sec people buy up units at the normal price and then auction them off for several [19:58] Techrights-sec times higher [19:58] schestowitz-TR data is the new aunflower oil :-) [19:58] psydruid it also depends on the types of chips [19:59] schestowitz-TR fish and chips [19:59] schestowitz-TR with sunflower oil [19:59] psydruid I think it's more important to get more smaller chips out there than these x86 monstrosities [19:59] schestowitz-TR made or farmed in ukraine ● May 25 [20:08] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [20:08] *activelow (~activelow@dndb9c48s7mjg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 25 [21:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@x3y3yqvk7d2hg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 25 [22:17] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:33] *schestowitz_log has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:33] *Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). 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