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| schestowitz | >> the encoding in the last attachment of links was wrong, but I was able | Jan 26 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | >> to manually search and replace (in Kate) to substitute the invalid | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | >> characters | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | >> prior to that I tried opening the file as various different | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | >> encodings/charsets | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | > Which links specifically? I can look at them in detail but I've just | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | > taken a quick look in both Chromium and Firefox and am not able to | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | > reproduce any errors in encoding or rendering. | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | It seems to impact the first (manual) part in particular. Open the original and see if the invalid chars show up (showing as a wrong sequence for utf8 or others), depending perhaps on the editor used. | Jan 26 04:23 |
| schestowitz | > Surprisingly little coverage of the NYT article below. It should have | Jan 26 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > been a blockbuster. I guess that's just business as usual for the GOP | Jan 26 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > now, the country has become so corrupt that no one even bats an eye. | Jan 26 04:32 |
| schestowitz | See how European media buries EPO scandals... | Jan 26 04:32 |
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| schestowitz | someone: | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > I think it’s time I start pointing my followers in your direction. I’m | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > feeling like we need to widen the research effort. | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > Before I do that I should warn you my followers are mostly families of | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > vaccine injured children and people who are actively defending parental | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > rights/informed consent. | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I am aware (I saw the site) and I am fine with not being 100% in agreement on 100% of issues; I work with people whose views differ all the time. That's the key to successful and honest research rather than tribalism. No two people will ever agree on everything, not even within the same people. Not even spouses. My wife and I disagree on things such as death penalty, for instance... | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | I will now read the remainder of the message. | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | The reason I seem to downplay some of the above issue is because I know what audience they would instantaneously alienate. These are very divisive matters. | Jan 26 12:35 |
| schestowitz | > Also I have to say after looking into some of your work, I am extremely concerned about your defense of Stallman (http://techrights.org/2019/09/15/media-attention-has-been-shifted/) | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I did not defend what Stallman had said. Au contraire -- I repeatedly distanced myself from views he had expressed on the subject. I even condemned these views (things he said years ago and some of what he said about Minsky). His words speak for themselves; they're not good, not good at all. The things he said years ago were a lot worse and he has since then retracted those -- not that it helps... | Jan 26 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Richard Stallman’s Controversial Views Are Nothing New and They Distract From Bill Gates’ Vastly Worse Role | Techrights | Jan 26 12:37 | |
| schestowitz | What's wrong is the way this (old views etc.) were designed to distract from the real MIT scandal and let off the hook the actual, direct offenders, punishing people for merely receiving MIT funds from offenders or for 'explaining' for Minsky or oddball views on the subject (views I do not share even remotely). I wrote a lot about the above subject (this is one of many articles). I can point out more relevant articles on this topic. | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | > as a teen rape victim, attitudes and views that it is just fine to have sex with teens is a HUGE issue in society and one that directly connects to the systematic rape of children and teens. Further, the belief that ephebophilia and rape of teens is fine is RAMPANT in tech and underlies so much of this. | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I understand this and I think you misunderstood me. What I deplored was their inability to actually hold the worse offenders accountable, maybe because they too are MIT donors. I wrote about this yesterday. | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | > Are you willing to re-visit these views? I don't really fuck with ephebophila apologists at ANY level and I'm not sure I'll be willing to work with you further on this topic | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | My views are very strong on this. I view ephebophila as bad as paedophilia and have never in my entire life defended either. See what I wrote yesterday about underage marriages/child marriages. | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | > if I can't establish that you hold a truly moral position on these issues (i.e. the complete ending of teen and child sexual abuse and all those who enable it and support it any way, including in any form of statement) | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | You and I are on the same mission. But I think you conflated my views with those of RMS (whom I never agreed with on this subject). I find his views on this embarrassing, since 2012 or thereabouts when he posted on the subject... | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | > You know what, don't even answer that. Your work speaks for itself. You aren't > good enough to work with me. Stay away. | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | If you can reconsider what my views and track record >actually< are, then I'm here to collaborate and help. Please explore the broader context of what I wrote. | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Kind regards, | Jan 26 12:37 |
| schestowitz | If you are still interested, I can direct you straight to the right case with detailed instructions and screenshots (which we had prepared). | Jan 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | We also have access to the court documents now. You do too. | Jan 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Go here and click on “Don’t have an account” https://dja-ecreweb.kingcounty.gov/ecronline/External/LogonPages/Logon.aspx | Jan 26 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dja-ecreweb.kingcounty.gov | King County Department of Judicial Information Electronic Court Records (ECR) Online - Account Login | Jan 26 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 26 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | After you have an account go back and search case #: 14-1-06789-1 | Jan 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | I can send directions for the police files too. | Jan 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Please read my earlier message. I feel rather bad to have been misunderstood so badly. | Jan 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> Attached are the five cases we've come up with that could be a potential match based on some preliminary number crunching. One issue is that "Medina" the suburb where the Gates mansion is doesn't even appear as a neighborhood anywhere in the CSV files pulled, so we went for "unknown neighborhood" which may or may not get us any closer... do any of these seem to line up with what you know, or do you by chance have a report number or | Jan 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | other we can go by? | Jan 26 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > That’s really cool that you would be up for that. I’m always open to collaborating. We’ll figure out best plan of action as soon as we know what we’re dealing with. | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | > It could open up details of something bigger that we need to look further into. You never know. Or, it could be all redacted. | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | > I’m really looking forward to getting those interviews or statements, if any, and the search warrant affidavit. Over 2000 pages? Eeek. My guess with a case file that size there was a much bigger investigation there. | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | > We will see. | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | If they don't show us, that itself will be a scandal. | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | I've meanwhile been contacted by victims. I cannot comment further on this, but we'll be getting further help. | Jan 26 13:32 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > Hmmm… | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > Let me ask you this way. | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > How was it possible for someone to instantly dox me by my Twitter account xxxx? | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> > Is there a database somewhere that would have associated my account with my identity? | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> Wow. Maybe someone is trying to scare you. | Jan 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> Twitter is in general no way to preserve one's anonymity. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <schestowitz> What was the nature of the dox and does anything connect it to the FOIA? | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | This happened a while back from someone who was in the news last year for making fake Russian troll accounts. She worked for xxxxxxxxxxx. That name was all in the news last year. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I published this article in xxxxxx about the person which is why I was targeted for doxxing. Originally (see Wayback), the article did not identify the woman by name but it was obvious to people who were following her campaigns. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | xxxxxxxxxxx twitter-falsely-accused-of-passing-info-to-stalkers/ | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Immediately after posting that article she doxxed me by full name. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/searchxxxxxxxxxxx | Jan 26 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/searchxxxxxxxxxxx ) | Jan 26 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | She’s been working as a “issue campaign” operative pushing for censorship in social media. These people pull stunts in the media (or with help from the media) and then suddenly policies are getting changed. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I’m just curious if I’m more exposed than I realize. Need to know how vulnerable or what private information is accessible to people. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Especially before getting these reports out in the public. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | By the way, no response from them today. However, they’ve been 1-5 days late before more than once. | Jan 26 13:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/op_hector/status/1221417646492659713 | Jan 26 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@op_hector: @schestowitz I agree with you about not agreeing with me... ☺ | Jan 26 13:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OhhAudie/status/1221208549126217728 | Jan 26 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@OhhAudie: @schestowitz Do you like Brave browser? I think the same guy that started mozilla created it. | Jan 26 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221196328803323909 | Jan 26 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @EdHerdman @schestowitz I agree. I think this one is a simple bug, and it’s mostly Firefox’s fault for their weird… https://t.co/VYaMzOYomM | Jan 26 13:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @EdHerdman @schestowitz I agree. I think this one is a simple bug, and it’s mostly Firefox’s fault for their weird… https://t.co/VYaMzOYomM | Jan 26 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | "I agree. I think this one is a simple bug, and it’s mostly Firefox’s fault for their weird browser agent string. The reason I replied was to point out Apple’s role in this confusion: they don’t allow Web browsers in their store that don’t use the system WebKit and JS engine." | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EdHerdman/status/1221192297473355777 | Jan 26 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EdHerdman: @jhamby @schestowitz Worth noting that they're reportedly tripping over ESR releases too, which seems bad to me if… https://t.co/fNJG7lf9sC | Jan 26 13:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EdHerdman: @jhamby @schestowitz Worth noting that they're reportedly tripping over ESR releases too, which seems bad to me if… https://t.co/fNJG7lf9sC | Jan 26 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Worth noting that they're reportedly tripping over ESR releases too, which seems bad to me if you're trying to work with corporate / business users in mind. | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of the old "IE 5.0 compatible / best on Netscape" banners, but I don't think this is a market share play. | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221191214176686080 | Jan 26 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz The full user agent string is: “Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KH… https://t.co/2X02otS0Je | Jan 26 13:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz The full user agent string is: “Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KH… https://t.co/2X02otS0Je | Jan 26 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | The full user agent string is: “Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) FxiOS/21.0 Version/13.0.3 Safari/605.1.15” | Jan 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | You’re right about web standards. No way to parse this and get useful results, unless you know all the variations. | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221190654505521152 | Jan 26 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz I can see why this warning is happening on my iPad. It’s reporting itself as “Firefox 21.0 on macOS Ca… https://t.co/MX96tHm9pJ | Jan 26 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz I can see why this warning is happening on my iPad. It’s reporting itself as “Firefox 21.0 on macOS Ca… https://t.co/MX96tHm9pJ | Jan 26 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | I can see why this warning is happening on my iPad. It’s reporting itself as “Firefox 21.0 on macOS Catalina 10.15.” | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | As I said, Firefox on iOS/iPadOS isn’t “really” Firefox. GitHub made a simple mistake in checking the version string and confusing fake Firefox with real Firefox. | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/1221190413228433411 | Jan 26 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Mine :) | Jan 26 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | cool! Subscribed!! | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221189985627328512 | Jan 26 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz You’re right: checking the browser agent string and giving warning messages because your JS code doesn… https://t.co/XHZyVodkx2 | Jan 26 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz You’re right: checking the browser agent string and giving warning messages because your JS code doesn… https://t.co/XHZyVodkx2 | Jan 26 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | "You’re right: checking the browser agent string and giving warning messages because your JS code doesn’t know what’s going on is not very friendly. Of course Google does that too, which doesn’t make it any less evil. I bet MS probably wants iOS users to switch to “Edge”." | Jan 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/op_hector/status/1221178797518659585 | Jan 26 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@op_hector: Pesadilla distópica: En la visión de algunos funcionarios de Estados Unidos, los derechos constitucionales de la C… https://t.co/jdQAe4pYaU | Jan 26 13:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@op_hector: Pesadilla distópica: En la visión de algunos funcionarios de Estados Unidos, los derechos constitucionales de la C… https://t.co/jdQAe4pYaU | Jan 26 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Ashhh... Ya no sean pobres... Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Jan 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Pesadilla distópica: | Jan 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz | En la visión de algunos funcionarios de Estados Unidos, los derechos constitucionales de la Constitución de EUA no aplican para extranjeros. Sólo para norteamericanos. | Jan 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz | (1/2) | Jan 26 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/0ShineDiamond0/status/1221460526917615617 | Jan 26 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@0ShineDiamond0: @RealEye21233163 https://t.co/KcugQTOeqg pedo gates | Jan 26 15:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part I: Bill Gates Has Plenty to Hide. Money and Connections Have Helped. | Techrights | Jan 26 15:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/thelinuxgamer/status/1221528327539904512 | Jan 26 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thelinuxgamer: Whoa. TechRights just shared my video from last year. https://t.co/Jp22QQ0js9 | Jan 26 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The Linux Kernel is No Longer Free Software? | Techrights | Jan 26 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WebFreak001/status/1221529072666390534 | Jan 26 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WebFreak001: @thelinuxgamer and you even pronounced his name correctly :p | Jan 26 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221531682794131456 | Jan 26 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: Forget it Roy, it’s #clickbait town. That slideshow was pretty wacky. Microsoft wasn’t the only joke on that “top 1… https://t.co/tP6XwvaerY | Jan 26 20:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: Forget it Roy, it’s #clickbait town. That slideshow was pretty wacky. Microsoft wasn’t the only joke on that “top 1… https://t.co/tP6XwvaerY | Jan 26 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Jake Hamby Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Jan 26 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Forget it Roy, it’s #clickbait town. That slideshow was pretty wacky. Microsoft wasn’t the only joke on that “top 10 open source companies” list. | Jan 26 20:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Adobe was there too... | Jan 26 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221529470311391236 | Jan 26 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: I guess *someone* isn’t interested in getting a job at this UK-based security company that I hadn’t heard of before… https://t.co/Z1hQcWDnUq | Jan 26 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: I guess *someone* isn’t interested in getting a job at this UK-based security company that I hadn’t heard of before… https://t.co/Z1hQcWDnUq | Jan 26 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Jake Hamby Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Jan 26 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I guess *someone* isn’t interested in getting a job at this UK-based security company that I hadn’t heard of before. Snyk just raised a $150M Series C funding round. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/sny | Jan 26 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/sny ) | Jan 26 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 20:36 |
| schestowitz | debt | Jan 26 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221529879503486977 | Jan 26 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: In Sep. 2018, they raised $22M on a $100M valuation. I wonder what absurd valuation #Snyk is claiming today. Here’s… https://t.co/FXx0QqWx3R | Jan 26 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: In Sep. 2018, they raised $22M on a $100M valuation. I wonder what absurd valuation #Snyk is claiming today. Here’s… https://t.co/FXx0QqWx3R | Jan 26 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | "In Sep. 2018, they raised $22M on a $100M valuation. I wonder what absurd valuation #Snyk is claiming today. Here’s their pitch:" | Jan 26 20:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1221506639687110656 | Jan 26 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrobertson: You thought systemd was a bit off, well .... https://t.co/XRe07k8QHV | Jan 26 20:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #ibm monetising #systemd OS (which only #redhat can properly deal with) https://t.co/Eb7L1G2fWs | Jan 26 20:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankMoretti5/status/1221504499166208003 | Jan 26 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrankMoretti5: @schestowitz Dear Democrats, Please stop destroying our great country. Please stop telling lies. Please help to kee… https://t.co/KpJZzSnFGi | Jan 26 20:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrankMoretti5: @schestowitz Dear Democrats, Please stop destroying our great country. Please stop telling lies. Please help to kee… https://t.co/KpJZzSnFGi | Jan 26 20:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Dear Democrats, | Jan 26 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Please stop destroying our great country. Please stop telling lies. Please help to keep America great. America: Thanks | Jan 26 20:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 26 20:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/1221453326140747776 | Jan 26 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Thank you! | Jan 26 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | if you post there, Rianna and I will link, let's hope it grows... | Jan 26 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1221450987497492480 | Jan 26 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: @schestowitz Doesn't it, sort of, 'jeopardize' police databases, too? | Jan 26 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tweets_nika/status/1221446358936231936 | Jan 26 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@tweets_nika: #SaveYourInternet See? And everyone at the pro camp called us stupid when we had concerns https://t.co/iECvtX3j8y | Jan 26 20:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #techdirt #google #AlphabetAgency ☞ #YouTube Streamer Hit With Demonetization Over #Copyright Claims To Nu… https://t.co/TNJCkTmLk0 | Jan 26 20:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1221539888266280960 | Jan 26 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: And it’s only the SDK that’s open source, not the robot itself. https://t.co/pPCgmE7xTU | Jan 26 21:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #openwashing deadly weapons with #microsoft #proprietarysoftware trap #github https://t.co/u8vD43gdUy #deletegithub (ICE booster, too) | Jan 26 21:14 | |
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