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schestowitz-TR2bad news/good newsJan 26 01:30
schestowitz-TR2joindiapora is shutting downJan 26 01:30
schestowitz-TR2unless someone saves it o r takes over, which tbh I doubt at this pointJan 26 01:30
schestowitz-TR2so I'm thinking... maybe I should quit Twitter soon, discontinue/shelve the account thereJan 26 01:31
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Techrights-secif / when you shelve the twitter account do it with a long lead in and lots ofJan 26 03:52
Techrights-secnotice both there and on the webJan 26 03:52
schestowitz-TR2first let's see if we can save joindiapora, that still seems achievableJan 26 03:52
schestowitz-TR2tuxmachines relies on it also. for twitter, mastodon, tumblrJan 26 03:53
Techrights-secok that would be bestJan 26 03:53
Techrights-secwowJan 26 03:53
schestowitz-TR2i feel a little guilty that over tyhe past 2 years I've not bveen keeping up with replies there (whereas the garbage I get in MINDS I did keepo up with)Jan 26 03:54
Techrights-secsites like diaspora live or die based on usageJan 26 03:55
schestowitz-TR2that and funds... so I've said publicly I would gladly help pay for my share of the usage. I did donate about 5 times in recent years.Jan 26 03:56
Techrights-secackJan 26 03:56
schestowitz-TR2pulling out of it and everything it connects to may be gratifying ont he shallowJan 26 03:57
schestowitz-TR2surface, but it is in essence, pulling a Lunduke, harming onselfJan 26 03:57
Techrights-seclunduke seems to have gone off the deep end anywayJan 26 04:00
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Techrights-secIf students build a Gemini client or server on OpenBSD, then Jan 26 04:28
Techrights-sechttps://man.openbsd.org/pledgeJan 26 04:28
Techrights-sechttps://man.openbsd.org/unveilJan 26 04:28
Techrights-secunveil(2) and pledge(2) would help in not just securing the results but  Jan 26 04:28
Techrights-secorganizing their concept of the systemJan 26 04:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-man.openbsd.org | pledge(2) - OpenBSD manual pagesJan 26 04:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-man.openbsd.org | unveil(2) - OpenBSD manual pagesJan 26 04:28
schestowitz-TR2maybe you can tell that to A.F. who is the reason I enters mumbleJan 26 04:28
schestowitz-TR2can do multip-user callJan 26 04:29
Techrights-secokJan 26 04:39
Techrights-secI'm not sure I'm articulate on the topic, I'm certainly barely knowledgable.Jan 26 04:39
Techrights-secOpenBSD is well-suited for teaching doe to it's careful design, very cleanJan 26 04:41
Techrights-seccode base, and exquisite documentation.Jan 26 04:41
schestowitzre: sorry - spellingJan 26 05:27
schestowitz> Coroner was not spelt correctly to begin with, it is fixed nowJan 26 05:27
schestowitz> Jan 26 05:27
schestowitz> In case anybody tries to create more hype, the report is not a leak:Jan 26 05:27
schestowitz> anybody can contact the coroner's office to ask for a copy.Jan 26 05:27
schestowitz> Jan 26 05:27
schestowitz> Some people are already madly trying to block the link from searchJan 26 05:27
schestowitz> results.  This goes against the nature of a coroner's report.  TheJan 26 05:27
schestowitz> coroner conducts hearings in public so that society can look at theJan 26 05:27
schestowitz> circumstances and learn from them.Jan 26 05:27
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/160687Jan 26 05:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Coroner's Report: Lucy Wayland & Debian Abuse Culture | Tux MachinesJan 26 05:28
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896Jan 26 05:35
schestowitz"Jan 26 05:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/Jan 26 05:35
schestowitz@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) As this isn’t my first rodeo — I’ve been through a few platform migrations — I’ve learned a few things and can suggest priorities based on them.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzPreserving your own continuity and data are the most straightford and high-probability-of-success steps you can take. They directly enable other courses of action in the future and maximise future options.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzAttempting to salvage JoindiasporaCom at this point is a long shot and one that seems unlikely given present admin responses (effectively: none). I don’t know why Lukas is unresponsive, only that he is.Jan 26 05:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 26 05:35
schestowitzSuggested Actions, In Order of PriorityJan 26 05:35
schestowitz    Establish a new presence now. That ensures a presence going forward. Even if you ultimately choose not to use that profile, it is useful and a form of insurance.Jan 26 05:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 26 05:35
schestowitz    Archive your existing posts. Profile → Settings → Export Data (https://joindiaspora.com/user/edit)Jan 26 05:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLabJan 26 05:35
schestowitz    The back-end for importing posts to a new instance has been developed, the front-end has not. You should be able to re-import and re-host your old posts in future.Jan 26 05:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-joindiaspora.com | JoinDiaspora* - Sign inJan 26 05:35
schestowitz    Consider spinning up your own instance / self-hosting. That was the promise of Diaspora* all along.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitz    Work to see if JoindiapsporaCom itself can be salvaged. Given that Lukas Matt is highly unresponsive to requests, that seems like a long shot.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzThe first four steps, though, will ensure that your own profile and data continue to exist.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzArchiving DataJan 26 05:35
schestowitzYou can also reasonably easily submit your own posts to the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine once you’ve extracted the JSON archive. That requires both that you’ve created the archive AND that JoindiasporaCom is still online, so the sooner you create the archive the better. IA’s Wayback Machine does not include comments in its archives so far as I can tell. But you’ll at least have the posts, and links elsewhere can be reasonably Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzeasily reassociated with IA’s copy.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitz(I’ve detailed more of this at the Migration Issues post mentioned previously in this thread.)Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzArchive.Today will capture comments, but there’s no bulk archive capability that I’m aware of, posts must be individually submitted, and the site puts up frequent CAPTCHAs.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzYou can also take steps to ensure your old posts are federated across other Diaspora* and Fediverse instances, though in my experience this doesn’t capture older comments.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzHow much value you find in comments and discussions on your old posts is for you to determine.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzYour CallJan 26 05:35
schestowitzAgain: this is my acquired wisdom over time. Your actions are your call. But given options and outcomes, I strongly recommend you create a profile (or multiple profiles) elsewhere, announce those now, and start exporting your data if you’ve not already done so.Jan 26 05:35
schestowitz"Jan 26 05:35
schestowitzThank you for the long message. For my account, migration is almost infeasible (cannot export content except photos) and I think we should strive to get stewardship for this pod, provided it can be passed over with data, login credentials etc. If someone is willing to help, and if Lukas isn't responding, contact me as I think Lukas is responsive to those not perceived to be wasting time. Lukas, can you reconsider for this one pod the plan to Jan 26 05:55
schestowitzdisband if we can raise enough funds from enough users?Jan 26 05:55
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schestowitz-TR2restarting apacheJan 26 09:58
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896Jan 26 09:58
schestowitz"Jan 26 09:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/Jan 26 09:58
schestowitz@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) My experience was that ~2800 posts ran about 18 MB compressed.Jan 26 09:58
schestowitzText should be much smaller than photos.Jan 26 09:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 26 09:58
schestowitzIf you do actually have 500k posts (about 16% of all posts on JD FWIW), you’re probably looking at a few GB of total data if your post size patterns follow my own.Jan 26 09:58
schestowitz(2800 posts, 18 MB compressed → 6.4 kB/post → 3.2 GB for 500k posts, very roughly.)Jan 26 09:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 26 09:58
schestowitzAs I recall, most of your content is linking to your own Techrights.org site, or otherwise link syndication. Relatively little is unique to JD, correct?Jan 26 09:58
schestowitzAgain, your call.Jan 26 09:58
schestowitzPavithran SJan 26 09:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLabJan 26 09:59
schestowitzPavithran S - about 2 hours agoJan 26 09:59
schestowitz    For my account, migration is almost infeasible (cannot export content except photos)Jan 26 09:59
schestowitzSame problem, Is it because Roy and me have very old accounts?Jan 26 09:59
schestowitzPavithran SJan 26 09:59
schestowitzPavithran S - about 2 hours agoJan 26 09:59
schestowitz    This is frightening news to me. I spent almost 12 years posting (I think) about half a million posts here, made friends and connections here, still rely on it a great deal.Jan 26 09:59
schestowitzYes it is frightening. I remember you had not just those posts which might be exported but worst of all the community and comments are all gone :(Jan 26 09:59
schestowitz**joeJan 26 09:59
schestowitz**joe - about an hour agoJan 26 09:59
schestowitzI wonder if @Maxwell Salzberg can help?Jan 26 09:59
schestowitz"Jan 26 09:59
schestowitzI do not have the option to export my data and either way, it would be a shame to throw away a working domain with maybe a million links leading to it, tons of Internet history. Let's save what exists already, using the existing domain. We can raise money...Jan 26 09:59
schestowitz-TR2almost 3 hours downtime?Jan 26 10:02
schestowitz-TR2ackJan 26 10:08
schestowitz-TR2checkingJan 26 10:08
schestowitz-TR2It went out at just after 05:00, so yeah it was out and my )(*&^%$%^&* scriptJan 26 10:08
schestowitz-TR2failed to squawk.  Jan 26 10:08
schestowitzhttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-lawful-interception-market-size-102100572.htmlJan 26 10:09
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-finance.yahoo.com | The global Lawful Interception Market size is expected to grow USD 3.5 billion in 2021 to USD 12.9 billion by 2026, at a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 29.3%Jan 26 10:09
schestowitz-TR2nothin major in messagesJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2ok, some quick thoughtsJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2moving to the coffee nowJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2it was a small breaskfastJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2so let me just see first what happens with joindiaporaJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2ftr, here is how it works:Jan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2i posted there since 2010 or 2011Jan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2prior to that it was identica, which was warningJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2instead of exporting from identica to twitter i started doing this from JDJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2JS is joindiaporaJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2JD would expore later also to wordpress.comJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2tuxmachines was later inheriting the official linus account in JDJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2it then exporet to:Jan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2twitterJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2mastodonJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2tumblrJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2so JD became a 'firehose for 4 accounts of tuxmachines and 3 of TRJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2never mind Daily Links, IRC, schestowiutz.com copies etc.Jan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2if  JD falls over, as several instances of gnusocial/mastodon/pleroma did (I  Jan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2used all 3 for fediverse presence), then we might need to o rethink a lotJan 26 11:22
schestowitz-TR2JD cutoff or deadlie is March 1stJan 26 11:23
schestowitz-TR2only last night Lukas started advertising this in the front page of everyoneJan 26 11:23
schestowitz-TR2so I think it's a call for help or for someone to take over using aJan 26 11:23
schestowitz-TR2bit of alarmismJan 26 11:23
Techrights-secI don't have the skill to program the backend, or the front end for that matterJan 26 11:24
Techrights-sectail -f /var/log/messages ? Jan 26 11:25
schestowitz-TR2-n something | moreJan 26 11:25
schestowitz-TR2I took a look, did not help me Jan 26 11:26
schestowitz-TR2Jan 26 11:23:46 techrights rc.local: ...Jan 26 11:26
schestowitz-TR2specificallyJan 26 11:26
schestowitz-TR2it's mirroring IRC or something?Jan 26 11:26
Techrights-secJan 26 11:23:46 techrights rc.local: ...Jan 26 11:27
Techrights-secspecificallyJan 26 11:27
Techrights-secit's mirroring IRC or something?Jan 26 11:27
schestowitz-TR2this is okJan 26 11:27
Techrights-secIs this script: /root/irc-all.sh noisy on stdout or stderr?Jan 26 11:27
schestowitz-TR2iirc, this is not that file but the IRC bot itselfJan 26 11:28
schestowitz-TR2it has 5 instances for 5 channelsJan 26 11:28
Techrights-secright but something is putting IRC messages into /var/log/messagesJan 26 11:29
Techrights-sectail -f /var/log/messages | awk '$5~/rc.local/'Jan 26 11:31
schestowitz-TR2i imagine that's just the way the bot are made and certainly not the cause of apaJan 26 11:31
schestowitz-TR2che issuesJan 26 11:32
schestowitz-TR2I did not write this botJan 26 11:32
Techrights-secok, then we'll need >/dev/null 2>&1 thereJan 26 11:32
schestowitz-TR2yes, can you use mumble?Jan 26 11:33
Techrights-sechttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeaconingJan 26 12:36
Techrights-sechttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_lawJan 26 12:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Meaconing - WikipediaJan 26 12:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Ex post facto law - WikipediaJan 26 12:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896Jan 26 12:56
schestowitz"https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896"Jan 26 12:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/Jan 26 12:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 26 12:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLabJan 26 12:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLabJan 26 12:56
schestowitz"Yeah true, I am also willing to donate. I also have so many comments and discussions which I cherish from this pod."Jan 26 12:56
schestowitzI can think of many active users here, Glyn Moody, for example, who knowing the situation would join us in a fund-raising campaign. What's the annual hosting bill, aside from manual work associated with it (maintenance)? This pod is so important to me that I'm willing to share the cost of the bills and also help on the technical side gives access to machines...Jan 26 12:58
schestowitz-TR2thanks for the long chat btw, lots of stuff to think about, got tons of days off work next month, trying to sort out the JD situation and will prioritise as necessary to ensure we maintain maximal/positive impactJan 26 13:10
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schestowitz-TR2just wrapped up Daily LinksJan 26 13:21
schestowitz-TR2will "OTA" in a momentJan 26 13:21
schestowitz-TR2hope site will cope okJan 26 13:21
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Techrights-secnpJan 26 13:36
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schestowitz-TR2doneJan 26 13:51
schestowitz-TR2while recording I spotted a permissions issueJan 26 13:51
schestowitz-TR2the ipfs account cannot write to the page in gemini that presents the list of ipfJan 26 13:51
schestowitz-TR2s hashesJan 26 13:51
Techrights-secackJan 26 13:51
Techrights-secI've been thinking more about the system and that part of the reality is thatJan 26 13:51
Techrights-secall systems have a built-in lifecycle.  With CentOS 6 having passed its EOL,Jan 26 13:51
Techrights-secin March we probably ought to make concrete plans and set a timeline for Jan 26 13:51
Techrights-secmigration.      Jan 26 13:51
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schestowitz-TR2permission issue solved, will record another videoJan 26 13:56
Techrights-seclookingJan 26 13:57
Techrights-secThe directory permissions need to be member of the group ipfslinksJan 26 13:57
Techrights-secThen g=wrxs for the directory.  Jan 26 13:57
Techrights-secAlso I should be in the group gpio in order to use the ping_roy scriptJan 26 13:57
Techrights-secor make another group instead of ipfslinks and use that for xxxx and gemini toJan 26 13:58
Techrights-secshare the directory.Jan 26 13:58
Techrights-secexcellentJan 26 13:58
schestowitz-TR2yes, we will do somethign about the whole infra, it's a sham that we are using suJan 26 13:58
schestowitz-TR2ch stale a stackJan 26 13:58
schestowitzusermod -aG  gpio youJan 26 14:04
Techrights-secackJan 26 14:04
schestowitz-TR2OTAJan 26 14:04
schestowitz-TR2doneJan 26 14:44
schestowitz-TR2the current scripts help me make and process several video in conjunctionJan 26 14:44
schestowitz-TR2restarting apxcheJan 26 15:04
schestowitz-TR2 see draftJan 26 15:12
Techrights-secit must have been out only a short timeJan 26 15:12
Techrights-secackJan 26 15:12
schestowitz-TR2yes, I caught that within a minute while trying the article after the gemini one, with the video now preocessing while the first finishes the uploadJan 26 15:13
schestowitzDon't Fall for Microsoft's Spin That Everything is Not Secure and Cannot be SecuredJan 26 15:14
schestowitzyour witty remarks can be integratedJan 26 15:14
schestowitzI am still working on the textJan 26 15:14
Techrights-secThe simplicity of both the Gemini protocol and Gemtext are what makes it   Jan 26 15:14
Techrights-secattractive for teaching, for it allows the students to focus on Jan 26 15:14
Techrights-secthe system.  As you pointed out earlier. Jan 26 15:14
schestowitz-TR2I have just triggered the processing of video #1 as the first one is doing phaseJan 26 15:17
schestowitz-TR22 of uploadJan 26 15:17
schestowitz-TR2rianne has tuxmachines covered for now, along with marius et alJan 26 15:17
schestowitz-TR2I work at 5:30Jan 26 15:17
schestowitz-TR2draftJan 26 16:17
schestowitz-TR2upload in phase 1 now so you can start playing the first few mins of the videoJan 26 16:17
schestowitz-TR2am still editing the text a bit, adding refsJan 26 16:17
Techrights-secRust is GitHub :(Jan 26 16:17
schestowitz-TR2Rust is security :-)Jan 26 16:18
schestowitz-TR2except when Rust itself has holesJan 26 16:18
Techrights-secapache seems stuck againJan 26 16:39
Techrights-secah yes, small text ...Jan 26 16:39
schestowitz-TR2yes, who to restart, me or you?Jan 26 16:39
schestowitz-TR2waitJan 26 16:39
schestowitz-TR2you are  in tuxmachinesJan 26 16:39
schestowitz-TR2waitJan 26 16:39
schestowitz-TR2wrong machineJan 26 16:39
Techrights-secfirefox: The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.Jan 26 16:41
Techrights-secAny idea how long the Gemini mailing list will be out for?Jan 26 16:49
schestowitz-TR2official gemini capsule/site does not say when, only that it will be backJan 26 16:49
schestowitz-TR2thanksJan 26 16:53
Techrights-secthanksJan 26 16:53
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Techrights-sechad to restart httpd againJan 26 21:03
Techrights-sec17:38Jan 26 21:03
Techrights-secload is quite high for httpd / php-fpmJan 26 21:03
Techrights-secone of the php-fpm processes was pushing 99% CPU utilization so I killed itJan 26 21:03
Techrights-secmanually and the whole load dropped off quickly afterward.   FYIJan 26 21:03
schestowitz-TR2thanks, I'm back againJan 26 21:03
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schestowitz-TR2restartingJan 26 22:49
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