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| schestowitz-TR | I have added 5 files from fig.. to git | Mar 26 04:52 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I think we are in good terems again | Mar 26 04:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | but he can be unpredictable | Mar 26 04:52 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe relevant: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreign-corrupt-practices-bribery-whistleblower-contractin | Mar 26 06:54 |
| Techrights-sec | g | Mar 26 06:54 |
| Techrights-sec | s/knew to/new to/ | Mar 26 06:54 |
| Techrights-sec | "The actual technical progress made since then is nearly zero." by whom and | Mar 26 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Microsoft is tied to hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign bribes, whistleblower alleges - The Verge | Mar 26 06:54 | |
| Techrights-sec | which turning point? | Mar 26 06:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wanted to say last night,m | Mar 26 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | could you pick up as many links as possible inc. the Verge one? | Mar 26 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I catalogue these under tuxmachines | Mar 26 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | and will be linking to these a lot in the future | Mar 26 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I corrected the typo | Mar 26 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm not sure if you ask me to clarify further on progress | Mar 26 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | draft | Mar 26 06:56 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes that assertion needs clarification as to which progress and who should have | Mar 26 06:56 |
| Techrights-sec | been making it. | Mar 26 06:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe you can put that in your own words for me to quote? | Mar 26 06:57 |
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| Techrights-sec | Note, the above link only addresses /foreign/ bribes. Domestic bribery is | Mar 26 07:13 |
| Techrights-sec | probably off the scale | Mar 26 07:13 |
| Techrights-sec | I have not seen the video so I cannot summarize | Mar 26 07:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | the reports likely allude to a particular law, which says "foreign" | Mar 26 07:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that may not preclude domestic | Mar 26 07:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | we covered this in relation to EPO | Mar 26 07:14 |
| Techrights-sec | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson%27s_War:_The_Extraordinary_Story_of_the_Largest_Covert_Operation_in_History | Mar 26 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec | covers some of the methods and motives likely used for the /foreign/ bribery | Mar 26 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec | ^book, /not/ movie | Mar 26 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History - Wikipedia | Mar 26 07:18 | |
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| Techrights-sec | The shortcomings in TheVerge's article include downplaying the extent of the | Mar 26 09:17 |
| Techrights-sec | corruption. Also although Hungary is mentioned, Russia and Pakistan are omittomitted. | Mar 26 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | if it were up to me, TheVerge would be excludeed like The Guardian. Both are in Bill's bag. | Mar 26 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | having said that, I want to '\bag' as many narticles about this as possible | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | those will be handy for years to come | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the source is not just an insider | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | but a high-level one | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the way Microsoft responded | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | only vidicates him | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | so if you can find more or better articles, I'll add to TM | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | it also helps me call Microsofters what they are | Mar 26 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | criminalks | Mar 26 09:19 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, without bribery and other illegal more cult-like behaviors M$ products | Mar 26 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec | would have disappeared from the market long ago despit the pentagon's ongoing | Mar 26 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec | overt and covert support | Mar 26 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec | looking, but unlikely to find others | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | theverge's article is rather soft on M$ | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/microsoft-paying-hundreds-of-millions-in-bribes-claims-whistleblower-1220326 | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | 00217_1.html | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.ibtimes.com/whistleblower-says-he-lost-job-microsoft-exposing-200-million-foreign-bribe-scandal-3451341 | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) compartmentalizes the domestic bribery | Mar 26 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.business-standard.com | Company News: Company Business News, Indian Companies News, Company Analysis, Corporate Industry News | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| Techrights-sec | and corruption and allows full distraction from it. | Mar 26 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ibtimes.com | Whistleblower Says He Lost Job At Microsoft For Exposing $200 Million Foreign Bribe Scandal | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.thurrott.com/microsoft/264805/microsoft-accused-of-violating-the-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-again | Mar 26 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/microsoft/264805/microsoft-accused-of-violating-the-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-again ) | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| Techrights-sec | "...again" | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.lioness.co/post/microsoft-is-using-illegal-bribes-in-the-middle-east-and-africa-why-is-the-sec-turning-a-blind-eye | Mar 26 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lioness.co | Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and Africa. Why is the SEC turning a blind eye? | Mar 26 09:35 | |
| Techrights-sec | Elabd focuses on the middle East and Africa but EU, Russia, and North America | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | are not without prodigious amounts of bribery and corruption in regards to | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | m$ deployments. The Better Business Bureau, along with the SE and DOJ, side with | Mar 26 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | M$ consistently instead of solving problems. | Mar 26 09:35 |
| schestowitz | https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/microsoft-paying-hundreds-of-millions-in-bribes-claims-whistleblower-122032600217_1.html | Mar 26 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.business-standard.com | Microsoft paying hundreds of millions in bribes, claims whistleblower | Business Standard News | Mar 26 09:39 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I have just added these with caveats. | Mar 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | Those 3 links are better than nothing | Mar 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | in short, I'd say | Mar 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't blame the messsenger for how the media twiists things | Mar 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | he saw accounts in particular regisons, where he worked | Mar 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media might say things like, "you cannot know about other place" | Mar 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | "WHERE SI THE RPOOFF!!" | Mar 26 09:42 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, and then once proof is provided, they respond by trying to dismiss the | Mar 26 09:43 |
| Techrights-sec | proof because of its 'age'. | Mar 26 09:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | this article is important because it discredit thew "age" comeback lines | Mar 26 09:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft loves LINUX, y'know? | Mar 26 09:43 |
| Techrights-sec | However a lot of EU countries have very high levels of corruption but go to | Mar 26 09:45 |
| Techrights-sec | great lengths to fill out the right paperwork to hid it. | Mar 26 09:45 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, a leopard can | Mar 26 09:45 |
| Techrights-sec | can't cchange its spots | Mar 26 09:45 |
| Techrights-sec | tldr; the problem is not limited to Russia, Middle East, and Africa | Mar 26 09:59 |
| Techrights-sec | but also, I strongly suspect, permeating all of the EU and Europe | Mar 26 09:59 |
| Techrights-sec | Furthermore while coming forward is a good thing, Elabd did actually work | Mar 26 09:59 |
| Techrights-sec | /for/ M$ and was used to spread its crap throughout large parts of the world. | Mar 26 09:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | like stamos and facebook | Mar 26 09:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | or that FB whistgleblower with the european name | Mar 26 09:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | better to take what we have from them | Mar 26 09:59 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 26 11:42 |
| Techrights-sec | About the M$ articles, the question remains unanswered as to why the | Mar 26 11:42 |
| Techrights-sec | SEC and DOJ are both continuing to turn a blind eye to M$ improprieties? | Mar 26 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | just got a new laptop, what OS to put on it? | Mar 26 11:42 |
| Techrights-sec | openbsd? devuan? | Mar 26 11:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | i worry openbsd would not be ok with things like webcam and some file systems | Mar 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems ok for a laptop not so primary | Mar 26 11:50 |
| Techrights-sec | WHen it works at all it tends to work very well. | Mar 26 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | what about fsf-<approved ones? | Mar 26 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | Devuan? | Mar 26 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | Gnewsense i defunct | Mar 26 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | Guix, trisquel, or PureOS might be worth looking into, but Devuan would be | Mar 26 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | most familiar if you are comforatble with Debian. It's more free than | Mar 26 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | Debian because of the2~removal of Systemd | Mar 26 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, i will consider getting devuan iso | Mar 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | taking lalllaptops downstarirs now | Mar 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | please let's now talk in ytalk while I move | Mar 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | as it adds to stress :-) | Mar 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbiab | Mar 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | *let not talk | Mar 26 12:08 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 26 12:09 |
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| schestowitz-TR | thanks, i will consider getting devuan iso | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | taking lalllaptops downstarirs now | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | please let's now talk in ytalk while I move | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | as it adds to stress :-) | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbiab | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | *let not talk | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | done moving | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | no damage | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | about to uynpack the laptop | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | you tell me | Mar 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | my screen that I type into is 90 deg diagonal | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, i will consider getting devuan iso | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | taking lalllaptops downstarirs now | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | please let's now talk in ytalk while I move | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | as it adds to stress :-) | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbiab | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | *let not talk | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | done moving | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | no damage | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | about to uynpack the laptop | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | you tell me | Mar 26 14:14 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 26 14:14 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Mar 26 14:14 |
| Techrights-sec | which distro? | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | my screen that I type into is 90 deg diagonal | Mar 26 14:14 |
| Techrights-sec | devuan is what I would recommend if using GNU/Linux instead of OpenBSD | Mar 26 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | all 9 screens on now | Mar 26 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | how many watts for the whole menagerie? | Mar 26 14:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | so far the howtos I am seeing, the official ones, | Mar 26 14:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | specify an assumption I have an optical drive | Mar 26 14:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am looking for a USB option | Mar 26 14:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind, I think the CLI installer can cope OK with UPS | Mar 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | Assuming this laptop can | Mar 26 14:54 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan#https-mirrors | Mar 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec | /devuan/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso | Mar 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec | If you stay with Chimaera then use tasksel to add the desktop items, | Mar 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec | if not, then uncheck all the tasksel options do the installation and then | Mar 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec | upgrade to daedalus before using tasksel | Mar 26 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.devuan.org | Get Devuan | Devuan GNU+Linux Free Operating System | Mar 26 14:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, I got the USB boot menu | Mar 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | now I need to know which ISO to usew | Mar 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is the latest stabkle one? | Mar 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's worry about minor details later | Mar 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will need to get networking going with it | Mar 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | from the docs I see strict free software is expert option | Mar 26 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec | latest stable is 4 (chimaera) | Mar 26 14:58 |
| Techrights-sec | 5 (daedalus) is under development | Mar 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | later I will do a newerr full backup of the pi | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | dm,aesg says it uses d/dev/sda | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, with lsblk I mcan assure myself it is the right one | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | the nlocal disk is "nvme something" | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | download done | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | will do dd if=net.....iso of=/dev/sda bs=1M && sync | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | running it now | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is only about 300mb | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | i installed debian the same way, I then select lots of things to get over the network | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok done | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | uefi is so bonkers | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is a new PC | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they make nnew hoops for you too jump through | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | enter this 4-dgit code, then enter, | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | LOL, FU, HP | Mar 26 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | installing now, copying the files | Mar 26 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, dmesg is importnat since devices can change | Mar 26 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | it depends.=, if you are booting from the microSD card then sda will be available | Mar 26 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 26 15:35 |
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| schestowitz-TR | is regulatory.db important for wifi? | Mar 26 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's non-free firmware | Mar 26 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems like wifi will need that | Mar 26 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | ping? | Mar 26 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe resizing made your buffer not visible? | Mar 26 16:08 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm not sure. I've not encountered it before, at least consciously. | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | There are some settings which needto take place to limit frequencies | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | used so that the wifi is legal in each country. | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, :( | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | that's the hardware unfortunately | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | Ive not encountered blobs lately | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | what specific wifi hardware is in the machine? | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | does it show up in dmesg? | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, It seems like you were afk and ytalk was not at fault | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | So Intired devuan from usb | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | it needs some blob for wifi | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I insert another usb stick | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | it seems to ignore it and moved on | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | got debian 11 mini.sio | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | Same issueusually when installing from cd-rom it would check the usb | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | this time usb being the installer as well might cause | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | conflict | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and this is a network install | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | so no network, no install | Mar 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | am GETTING lmde 5 atm | Mar 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec | what model of wifi and/or what model of laptop? | Mar 26 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | these instructinos ought to apply to both: | Mar 26 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware | Mar 26 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ^oop, just a sec | Mar 26 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi | Mar 26 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.debian.org | DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware - Debian Wiki | Mar 26 16:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.debian.org | WiFi - Debian Wiki | Mar 26 16:26 | |
| schestowitz-TR | devuan wanted some db file | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | debian wanted something else | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I supplied it on a second usb device | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | but could not have both install usb and second one inserted at the same timre | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | but this is now imho was causded the issue | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | on my machine and rianne supplying the blog from usb worked ok | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | that was debian 10 on cdrom or maybe dvd | Mar 26 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | great | Mar 26 16:28 |
| Techrights-sec | oops | Mar 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | given the sgre of lmde (just ages) and given that it's a nbnew distro | Mar 26 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | to me (I used to live cd in the past several times), maybe I'll give | Mar 26 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | that a spin | Mar 26 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I don't like it, I will replace before migrating any files | Mar 26 16:29 |
| Techrights-sec | at worst there could be LMDE with the propietary binaries | Mar 26 16:30 |
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| schestowitz-TR | based on lots of research and forum posts, this card is notorious becaue | Mar 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | of the linux drivers | Mar 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will try kde neon in a bit | Mar 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | some people reported that ubutnu base may have some woirkaround or fix | Mar 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd hate to use ethernet, but this laptop always stays here, so it's not | Mar 26 18:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | yet out of the querstiuon | Mar 26 18:53 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 26 19:01 |
| Techrights-sec | ethernet is not so bad, maybe that can be for the installation and | Mar 26 19:01 |
| Techrights-sec | during the time it takes to figure out the proprietary firmware for | Mar 26 19:01 |
| Techrights-sec | the wifi. | Mar 26 19:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | i got this machine for the 1tb of storage | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not fast, two cores, 4gb of ram | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | nut I offload tasks regardlless | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I just need a reliable box for the datas | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is is refurbished | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but looks 100% new | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | with all the wrappings and all | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | so themagnetic disk might last 5+ years | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am booting kde neon atm | Mar 26 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec | nice | Mar 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | YUUUUUUUUSSS!!!!! | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | KING. KDE. Neon. | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | Thanks Jriddell | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they made kde look fantastiuc out of the box | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, I will copy the data across tonight | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | tomorrow it's that annoying patent BS video day | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | you sent me some 'teaser' in daily links today | Mar 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | do you want a photo of the new 'office'? | Mar 26 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | ! | Mar 26 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | :)ack | Mar 26 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 26 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Mar 26 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | 9 screens! | Mar 26 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | sound a little like a national level NOC I once viewed and almost decided to | Mar 26 19:10 |
| Techrights-sec | work at | Mar 26 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne has 2 screens as well, and 2 machines | Mar 26 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is what we do for a living, so... | Mar 26 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | noc is ou job and lots of teamwork | Mar 26 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne has one vpn machine one foor the rest, non-monitoring | Mar 26 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | [ppi is file server | Mar 26 19:11 |
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| schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.eu/as1001/status/1507791889885540355#m | Mar 26 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Anne (@as1001): "techrights.org/2013/06/07/au…" | nitter | Mar 26 20:37 | |
| schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.eu/orwell2022/status/1507680512328011780#m | Mar 26 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Orwell2024 (@orwell2022): "9/ Is it an exception? No. Here is another one which is more and more enjoying their legal immunity options. Skandal after scandal. If bending / breaking law is legal, why not use it to make more and more money? And for personal gain. http://techrights.org/2015/02/11/zeljko-topic-kopcic-and-sanader/" | nitter | Mar 26 20:37 | |
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