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| schestowitz-TR | i pushed a chage to git with favicon | Jul 26 06:46 |
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| schestowitz-TR | did not know how to pull it from the server | Jul 26 06:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tidied a lot of file system permissions in the Git repository; apparently | Jul 26 06:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that is how it is done :/ | Jul 26 06:46 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I've been thinking how the same CMS can be fitted into TR | Jul 26 06:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | like some sites that have a subsite for in-depth "investigations" | Jul 26 06:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | with more flexible (freeform) HTML than a CMS facilitates | Jul 26 06:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I also had literal shower thoughts on how to migrate TM, inc. some pseudocode, but that's for much later | Jul 26 06:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The slowing down of journalism seems to be monotonic and never recover after | Jul 26 07:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | holidays and breaks. | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | ha, | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | iwas about to say | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) geminispace was quiet yesterday and so far today | Jul 26 07:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) lots og emini traffic in techrights in recent days, and its http proxy | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but tuxmachines can go on OK | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, I attempted to use tm-update last night | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | using a command which I think worked before | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but could not get it done | Jul 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wanted to add today's howtos as update to an earlier post | Jul 26 07:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 26 07:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tm-update seems to still work | Jul 26 07:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | where any errors or warnings presented? | Jul 26 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried -u and then the url | Jul 26 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking scrollback | Jul 26 07:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | which URL ? | Jul 26 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems to be working now | Jul 26 08:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried with another node | Jul 26 08:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok, that's good | Jul 26 08:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | irc was derailed topic-wise before | Jul 26 08:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | needs observation for now | Jul 26 08:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | as it might be short-lived | Jul 26 08:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne is leaving for 3 days in about an hour | Jul 26 08:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but my productivity levels will be the same | Jul 26 08:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will think how to use tmux for monitoring of the new server, which is now running but only advertised in IRC for now | Jul 26 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I suck at making config files for tmux session that has the panes intact even after reboots (restoring them) | Jul 26 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I looked into it years ago | Jul 26 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | should we add apachetop or similar? | Jul 26 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | what is needed ? Launching tmux like that is just a shell script | Jul 26 08:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tmux ... \; ... \; ... \; | Jul 26 08:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | etc | Jul 26 08:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | will think about it during breakfast, e.g. what molnitor | Jul 26 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | given that it's an up to date OS it might make sense to put ALL the monitoring on there, inc. TR | Jul 26 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | afaik, upon launch tmux would not initiate an ssh connection to a peer (another machine) | Jul 26 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | brb | Jul 26 08:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jul 26 08:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tmux cannot be reasonably nested however | Jul 26 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, I paid conil this morning for the time | Jul 26 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | we were logged in anyway | Jul 26 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | savers' rates went up from like 0.5 aer to 2.2 for 2 years (aer) | Jul 26 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | still FAR below inflation rate | Jul 26 08:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 08:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes and then there are the "service" fees to cancel even those small rates out | Jul 26 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | they give no service really | Jul 26 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | for some task we must book appointment | Jul 26 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | walk is in not an optiomn | Jul 26 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | massive queue | Jul 26 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to book an appointment I can gues going through bots, costing time and money | Jul 26 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | our calling rtates are high | Jul 26 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | \ | Jul 26 08:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are about 11 httpd service running on the VM, not sure if this is intended | Jul 26 08:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, so I hve a tmax session running as "tuxmachines" with just top for now | Jul 26 08:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | on "cavan" | Jul 26 08:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | processes, yes, probably that is set in the Apache2 configuration file | Jul 26 08:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 08:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The number of spares can be brought down if necessary. Currently it is 10 spare | Jul 26 08:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | servers: | Jul 26 08:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | $ grep -r -E 'StartServers|MinSpareServers|MaxSpareServers|MaxRequestWorkers' /etc/apache2 | Jul 26 08:35 |
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| schestowitz-TR | if you are logged in as root, which I think means connected through the hv, can you make /var/log/apache2 more lierally accessible, e.g. to tuxmachines | Jul 26 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to tail -f for errors | Jul 26 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am also guessing we won't be adding images to the site, as that would mean downloading a lot of files, both to the server and for visitors | Jul 26 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | adding images would "only" be a matter of finding and tuning an acceptable work | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | flow, more than just guessing and rolling out the guess into production | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Off hand, I can't think of an easy way that would involve only a single step | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or at most two steps. | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tail -f for errors would be a good idea but that is a good use-case for | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | file system permissions or at worst sudo than root | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the server name" | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sftp+incron would be easier than that, but the step after that is unknown | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | internal labeling within the cert is the issue, it would clear up some of the | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | browser warnings as well; IIRC it is possible to make a cert which covers | Jul 26 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | several hostnames or even a "wildcard" certificate | Jul 26 08:46 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | internal labeling within the cert is the issue, it would clear up some of the | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | browser warnings as well; IIRC it is possible to make a cert which covers | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | several hostnames or even a "wildcard" certificate | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | For the images it might be possible to have an upload directory when serves | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | as a staging area; incron could remove the images, make a thumbnail, and store | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | them in a yyyy/mm/dd/ subdirectory within the web server's document root; | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | then at that point they'd be publicly accessibe; then when referencing them, | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | an absolute URL could be used but instead of getting blocked for hotlinking | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the files could be verified via the file system and then the URL converted | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to a relative URL. However, I feel the markup part of that is too nitpicky | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to be convenient | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | FOSSForce has been inactive for a long time, any other feeds that TM shouud hvhave instead? | Jul 26 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | LWN is out too | Jul 26 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | good point re images | Jul 26 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | one fallback is, have another teminal open, toss wget in there with url | Jul 26 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | then make a new local url | Jul 26 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that can come much later | Jul 26 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | we can still change the cert, it's not like people assume it's production or forgery | Jul 26 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | Until a decade ago I would have said groklaw | Jul 26 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne has just left | Jul 26 09:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I hope she has a good / safe trip | Jul 26 09:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | maybe pick random URLs daily from Groklaw and use those? | Jul 26 09:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would not news "news." site then | Jul 26 09:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 09:35 |
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| schestowitz-TR | phone bank | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait 4 minutes | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | lady decides she cannot book yet | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will phone you back | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | time passes call, one ring only | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | cannot answer that fast | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | still waiting now | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | cannot have music didn't even book an appointment yet | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Smart" | Jul 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Modern" | Jul 26 10:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :/ | Jul 26 10:28 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | if you got the name of the person from the first call, then that can be mentioned and it will still be a setback but not quite back to the beginning | Jul 26 10:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | what's the point having a number for booking an appointment if the people answering are too busy to book an appointment???? | Jul 26 10:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I already explained to her our needs are more compliated than site and app | Jul 26 10:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we must see someone "urgently" | Jul 26 10:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will probably need to phone again, starting againt from scratch | Jul 26 10:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | i gave my first name but was too optimistic to take hers | Jul 26 10:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh phone | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | holy hit | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | what crap | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | phone to book | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | monday sue mart str. 3pm sophie | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | scrobble herte for myself | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | 12 mins on phone | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | with manager | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | what a fucking clusterfuck | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now they say they cannot book an appointment after 2 people there said we should | Jul 26 11:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we end up arguing about them being understaffed and misinforming clients | Jul 26 11:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's essential, unfortunately, when dealing with bureaucracy to make a habit | Jul 26 11:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of jotting down the name, time, date, and topic onto a piece of paper or text | Jul 26 11:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | file at the very /start/ of the conversation | Jul 26 11:09 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I did, in hindsight, get the name of the first person and gave negative feedback to her manager | Jul 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe in the future a bank will just be "some aws account" | Jul 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | "no branch"..." | Jul 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | no nothing | Jul 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | "online only" | Jul 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | so what fucking service do the banks even GIVE? | Jul 26 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you and I had the same convo 12 months agfoi I'd tell you interst rates were so laughable that you might be better off buying a safe | Jul 26 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and telling the bank to sod off | Jul 26 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | you know, you need to ask for permission to take your OWN money | Jul 26 11:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's one heck of a massive hidden risk right there | Jul 26 11:15 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | is there a simple way to aurorun the two scripts when a new page gets added? | Jul 26 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | yesterday I saw that if I just run "refresh" it can make all those existing pages vanish 404 | Jul 26 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I now export first, then refresh | Jul 26 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | otherwise pages that I add do not show up yet, either in the index or the rss feed | Jul 26 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes the refresh script should do that now the tm-extract script was added to it | Jul 26 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | brilliant, tested just now and it works well | Jul 26 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's also fast on the server | Jul 26 11:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | great | Jul 26 11:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | though subjectively it was fast on the RPi too | Jul 26 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah, I just remmeber weeks ago for a few seconds there would be an empty page there | Jul 26 11:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think that when adding a page it follows that the front page should self-update, otherwise I need to up press up a couple of times (used to be 3 times) to run another com | Jul 26 11:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | command | Jul 26 11:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | should the addition of a record trigger an refresh? ok | Jul 26 11:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/25/michigan-students-walk-out-ceremony-over-keynote-speakers-pro-forced-birth-views | Jul 26 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Michigan Students Walk Out of Ceremony Over Keynote Speaker's Pro-Forced Birth Views | Jul 26 11:48 | |
| schestowitz-TR | the evangelicals are winning | Jul 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | locked down "computing " lobby | Jul 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | the outsourcers of banks (outsoucring the jobs to clients) | Jul 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind war, climare, disease | Jul 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | the first three are also a form of disease | Jul 26 11:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | undoing centuries of human progress to suck out more capital from the "peasants" | Jul 26 11:50 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | had to fight with Git a while, try add-and-refresh-from-db.sh | Jul 26 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | banks have discarded their traditional external customers in favor of | Jul 26 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | financialization | Jul 26 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, I can see now | Jul 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | no -a option | Jul 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but my name is 3 letters so it's still fast | Jul 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | (a lady just came from the energy supoplier to take power and gas readings, I kept distance, still a lot better than "online" and spy meters) | Jul 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it scales poorly when only few households need a visit | Jul 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm relieved I did not screw up git last night, it was my first commit to that repo, I struggled a little at first | Jul 26 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | as I tried to then pull in the fivicon changes to the server and did not succeed | Jul 26 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 26 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | git is a bit complicated in most situations and the EXT file systems don't make | Jul 26 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | shared work easier | Jul 26 12:09 |
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| schestowitz-TR | yay. I've just made my firust successful page update. | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's the one that says "UDPATEDx1" in the front page | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had to run the refresh script after that for chasnges to take effect | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | next I will try your new util | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am guessing that to "bump it up" I'd have to change the date too | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | in quiterss the update is not detected as I think it checks the url in the entry, which is the same, | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | not the title change | Jul 26 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | but different rss readers behave differentlty | Jul 26 12:18 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | excellent | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It should be in the feed by the modification date | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Within any given date though, things are sorted by record number. | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | So it's there, there' just no hour:minute tracking | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a timestamp could be added to the keys table maybe | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok thanks, it is best to keep it as simple as possible | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | oh, I suppose there should be db locking for writes so that there are | Jul 26 12:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not problems like a race condition when (if) two edit at the same moment | Jul 26 12:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | no need, the schema can stay simple for a simple site/s | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | being able to post today's howtos as clusters helps compact the "bulletin" | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | while at the same time having a fast burst of updates | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | with indicating of when new stuff is added | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | like a dozen stories about some system76 announcement | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | i would have imagine that this is dealy with (lcokin) at the DB level, like queing up write operations | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I don't know much about sqlite, we use postgres at work and I used mysql since ~2000 a lot | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | sqlite is a quiet giant | Jul 26 12:23 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | I'll need to rearrange the internal workflow quite a bit for that one | Jul 26 12:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | script, but I think it is a good idea to get that fixed | Jul 26 12:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | so far it has been sufficientl.y robust from the users' end, in the sense that what's there does not break | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | except last night when I ran the two commands or just one and then all the pages temporarily vanished | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | the update mechanisms are great and importanty | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | evenmn Gulag NOISE USED (used!) to cluster stories | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | it got worse over time | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | now, in rss, it does not provide excewprts | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think for legal reasons (fair use litigation) | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to see ALL the important stories reader rely on clustering, such as howtos all in one place | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | programming in one place, ordered by language etc. | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | next, I will try the new data entry util you made | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I just need to find material to enter, it's not longer a "junk" site to have a knock on | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, in apache configs I comments out 8 lines (4 http, 4 https) in case we want to restrict some things again | Jul 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | this morning when I checked access logs it was around 4k lines | Jul 26 12:28 |
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| schestowitz-TR | using the new script, it yielded the 30th record | Jul 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the front page was updated | Jul 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the page itself (the new page) is 404 | Jul 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | so maybe missing a step | Jul 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's the linky you sent me, open source xplained | Jul 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the top | Jul 26 12:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I saw the Apache2 configuration change. | Jul 26 12:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | what is the URL for the problem page? I can check | Jul 26 12:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks | Jul 26 12:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep a step was skipped, puzzling since I recall writing it in | Jul 26 12:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | fixing ... | Jul 26 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, I noticed it now defaults to submitted using "Tux Machines" | Jul 26 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | or should I run this xcript with my personal account, "roy", instead? | Jul 26 12:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok corrected script | Jul 26 12:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | defaults can be overridden but it takes the name from the $USER info | Jul 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | it has shaped up to the point where rianne just needs to log in as rianne, run | Jul 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | one comment, it autocompletes most things, "tidy"[ies] it up and then she can check the outcome | Jul 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think marius is not checking his protonmail account, it might be years old | Jul 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | he's a very nice person btw | Jul 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | very reliable and principled too | Jul 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | will never cover microsoft shit, ever | Jul 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think it's part of the problem he had at softpedia | Jul 26 12:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jul 26 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | good to hear | Jul 26 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | too bad, it's a shame so many sell out and/or fall for the lies | Jul 26 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's not that the lies are believable it's just that some are so eager to | Jul 26 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | bend reality to believe the lies | Jul 26 12:52 |
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| schestowitz-TR | now softpedia is all but officially a dead site | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | you'll never see it | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | they started their own death spiral | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, lxer aired out story, part iii, re security | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | 95% of gnu/linux users don't trust microsoft | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they are not in "publishers" | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't pass muster | Jul 26 12:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm surprised it is such a low number ;) | Jul 26 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | imho | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are two (or more) types of "linux users" | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | people who use it "at work" on some server but use windows/mac on a laptop | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and people who actually univerally gnu/linux users | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the former are the "practical" types who call the latters zealots | Jul 26 12:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the CSS still needs tweaking for some of the posts ??? | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it's "only for geeks" | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's because gnu/linux became so dominant in servers that they always deploy to it | Jul 26 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | even from some mac witrh electron or whatnot | Jul 26 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then they use LF, OSI etc. to wield influence | Jul 26 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are "linux tourists" | Jul 26 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, no, it was worse as it took down the bodiy of the page to the bottom, BELOW 9to5Linux | Jul 26 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | one thing i noticed, in some browsers (a day ago in quiterss, maybe resolved already), | Jul 26 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | if the title of a post is very long it would rather push out the right-hand pane to the botton of the page than expand the title (headline) to a second/third line | Jul 26 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | depending on the browser | Jul 26 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, no, it was worse as it took down the bodiy of the page to the bottom, BELOW 9to5Linux | Jul 26 12:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes I would like it to do that but don't know how; I spent quite bit of time | Jul 26 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | on just that, last week, but made no progress. | Jul 26 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the way to experiment with that is not via the live CSS nor the live scripts | Jul 26 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but to save a copy of one of the posts locally and work on it in the local | Jul 26 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | file system without a web server; however, after spending quite a bit of time | Jul 26 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | on it, I was still no closer to the desired result; | Jul 26 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have had this problem in my personal blog,as the engines that are not gecko render the side menu always at the bottom | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | the same thing happened with techrights wiki sidebar | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | a decade later I didn't find a solution and hardly pursued one | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | the web is too complex | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | you change nothing in your site | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | then opera renders it wrong | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | then chromne | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then chrome becomes almost every browser | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | so your old page suddenly looks "wrong" | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | lwn always kept it simple and it seems to work well on many devices | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | what they wrote about wipo was biased and disappointin | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | they have quite a history doing this... | Jul 26 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | Corbet was author... LF | Jul 26 13:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 13:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | as predicted the Xbox was / is a testbed for DRM in commodity hardware | Jul 26 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just xbox | Jul 26 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | the tpm ambitions go a long way back | Jul 26 13:09 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | yes but the Xbox, specifically, was a step along that road and very clear | Jul 26 13:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | about what their long term goals were; | Jul 26 13:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | They also went after a BIOS maker long prior to UEFI | Jul 26 13:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | TR covered the Pheonix affairs several times | Jul 26 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and said it was about locking things down | Jul 26 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was around 2008 or 2009 | Jul 26 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | half a decade before security threatre geneticiss as a mole | Jul 26 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes; sadly when such attacks appear as incremental changes or as "too technical" | Jul 26 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | then the public not just lets the attacks slide but eventually come to embrace | Jul 26 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | them after 18 months or so | Jul 26 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is an eternal fight-back | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | china won't take shit | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so you can hope that on a national level these measures will be thwarted | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | like germany turning down UEFI sec theatre | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and russia putting in the bin some so-called 'IP' | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | china can reverse-engineer and how the know-how for making the same chips | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | sans the BS | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | like the TN physical machine, which lacks the ME | Jul 26 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | *TM | Jul 26 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | China wants the same control but with them in charge so they don't object | Jul 26 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to the technology as much as about who is holding the reins | Jul 26 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | soon lacking the ME or the TPM3 or the Pluton will be deemed illegal | Jul 26 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | just like whitebox PCs were deemed illegal by bought-and-paid-for politicians | Jul 26 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | around the globe | Jul 26 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | being naked (PC) in public is indecent, at the very least | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | and not buying a PC encumbered with Bill and Lolita Gates malware | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | is a sign of sympathy for ISIS | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | also: according to Bill and Lolita Gates, encryption should be illegal, | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | except when Bill and Lolita Gates use it | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in Twitter criticising the death cult of Bill and Lolita Gates is | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | also illegal | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | and will get you repeate4dly suspended | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | until you stop mentioning the Bill and Lolita Gates Foundation | Jul 26 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | and how it profits from death | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or some such excuse though the politicians seem to gain from allowing the daesh | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to spread and increase | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I've noticed that | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | for a long time | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | same for Reddit, where Bill's minions control most of the forums | Jul 26 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and subforums | Jul 26 13:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've noticed how, since Pro Publica bagged bribes from Bill and Lolita Gates Foundation | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | it still write about tax evasion and oligarchs but leaps over the mention of Bill | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and stop its seires about the Microsoft IRS affairs | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | the corrupting power of money | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | to me, Pro Publica is something that used to be good, | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | Lessign was a big fan of it | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | but funding must have run low (very few new stories, shorter ones, less impact) | Jul 26 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so they fail to see what a libility Epstein-stained green paper will entail | Jul 26 13:21 |
| psydruid | will backdoored hardware be outlawed in all societies? | Jul 26 13:34 |
| psydruid | what about smaller semiconductor companies who aren't in on the scheme? | Jul 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | they will tolerate some | Jul 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | as long as or until it becomes "unberable" risk to the ruling class | Jul 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is how they also treat the media and WBer | Jul 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | *unbearable | Jul 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | secure technologyu means stuff like endless EPO leaks | Jul 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | which they cannot put an end to | Jul 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | as they have no bloody clue whoi does what | Jul 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | and this is why we get loads of material | Jul 26 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | andf nobody is ever caught | Jul 26 13:47 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Well Bill Gates also "Cashed in During COVID", but Pro Publica took bribes from this famous criminal, so no articles in Pro Publica about that ☛ https://www.propublica.org/article/cemetery-long-island-pinela<techrights-news> Well Bill Gates also "Cashed in During COVID", but Pro Publica took bribes from this famous criminal, so no articles in Pro Publica about that ☛ https://www.propublica.org/article/cemetery-long- | Jul 26 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | island-pinelawn-lockes-pinelawn | Source: Pro Publicawn-lockes-pinelawn | Source: Pro Publica | Jul 26 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.propublica.org/article/cemetery-long-island-pinela<techrights-news ) | Jul 26 13:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.propublica.org/article/cemetery-long- ) | Jul 26 13:51 | |
| schestowitz-TR | Pro Publica -> No Pubica | Jul 26 13:52 |
| psydruid | it seems most IT jobs are in surveillance companies directly or indirectly these days | Jul 26 13:55 |
| psydruid | and that's called having a career | Jul 26 13:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's correct | Jul 26 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just spying | Jul 26 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | military in general; | Jul 26 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did a one hour video about it a few months ago | Jul 26 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | part of a serie | Jul 26 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | based on a source who worked in one such company | Jul 26 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will continue that series some day | Jul 26 13:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | remember how much capital the US regime sink into "defense" each year | Jul 26 13:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | that money ends up in some private companies which offer 6-figure and 7-figure salaeries | Jul 26 13:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | while the nation itself is drowning in debt it can never pay back | Jul 26 13:57 |
| psydruid | you are considered a failure, if you don't go for such a 6-figure or 7-figure salary yourself | Jul 26 14:00 |
| psydruid | because if you don't, other people will and have "great" lives | Jul 26 14:01 |
| psydruid | by selling your soul out to the highest bidder | Jul 26 14:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but they use the wrong yardstick | Jul 26 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I pity them | Jul 26 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | all their work is not theirs | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're also working very tiring, long hour | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | *hours | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | Techrights-sec2: | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | the all-in-one script for registering a new page has worked flawlessly, I've just had something to test it with | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne's laptop is still offline, so she probably focuses on chatting with her widow aunt | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | no smell of cooking this afternoon :( | Jul 26 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but she took the cooking book we received to read on the train | Jul 26 14:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is some decent food available, but not much | Jul 26 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | when ti runs out I can use cereal, peanuts, and mixed nuts as fallbacks | Jul 26 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | but would rather pace down consumption of the "proper" foods, esp. fruit and veg | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not eat healthy as a student | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and probably pay for it to this day | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | larry lessig used to incorporate into his talks the old story about the | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | warning that digital machines would harm the vocal chords | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | by discouraging people learning how to sing and use their voice | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | to entertain peers | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think the same is true for cooking now, esp. with processed food | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's more expensive to bake a cake now than to make a fresh one on one's own | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind the cost of time | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and with overworked labour forces that won't improve | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and kids are now educated or raised by gadgets instead of proper parenting | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is a cascading effects of sorts | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | my mom bemoans [redacted] having kids that he does not know how to raised, s | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | spends no time with, spends no money on | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and as a part-time working mom who devoted her life to the kids (I was the favourite) | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | she finds this inexcsusable that people would turn out like this | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | a chain of beating parents are not chains of totally cluelless parents who have | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | neither time nor clue about raising kids, so corporations fill up the vacuum | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | with Skinner boxes | Jul 26 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | preservatives that contain a lot of sodium (iirc) are not good for the gut, but practical [sic] in "fast-moving" "always-on" world | Jul 26 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 14:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes kids are raised by companies via the gadgets and have many times | Jul 26 14:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | more contact hours per day with the companies' agendas than they do with | Jul 26 14:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | their own peers and family combined. Then if you consider that their peers | Jul 26 14:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | are subjected to the same indoctrination, the effect is even stronger. | Jul 26 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | can you chain refresh-site-from-db to update page, please? | Jul 26 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just added a second lump of howtos | Jul 26 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | and needed to run refresh to apply the changes to the static file (from DB) | Jul 26 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | now we can update stuff more rapidly, "UPDATEx[number]" might become common | Jul 26 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I assume that changing the date will help bump it back up to current date | Jul 26 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the DB scans for current date or rather the script scans the DB based on this kield | Jul 26 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | *field | Jul 26 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know what the primary key is, but I assume page ID#, sequential | Jul 26 14:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | refreshed | Jul 26 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | btw look at https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/26/Open_Source_Explained.shtml | Jul 26 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | with CSS there is no need for a linked image | Jul 26 14:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'll add a wrapper script like for the new records | Jul 26 14:46 |
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| schestowitz-TR | in 2020 we rebuilt the front page of TR to contain nothing more than a single HTML file | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you made your second, fluid version for narrow devices like fonts | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are still accessed a great deal | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think that if the new tuxmachines is less than 100kb for each page | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and even linked images are rescaled at the server side (not the browser) it'll make navigation very much better | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the moment it's easy to move between the last nodes as if they were a photo album | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | if later on we add a gemini directory, say /g/ | Jul 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | the images won't be of use anyway, unless they're linked to from the same directory, a local directory, with another protocol | Jul 26 14:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | update-and-refresh-from-db.sh | Jul 26 14:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it takes a url as an option iif it works | Jul 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | that script works, yes... and I assume amending the date would act as a "sticky note" for pages that keep updating for days | Jul 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | to append further links on same topic/theme | Jul 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | to compact things | Jul 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | google used to do a decent job at it until around 2011 | Jul 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gulag Noise... before the Noise outweighed the signal | Jul 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | they sabotaged their own "product" (disservice) | Jul 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | partly for legal reasons, I think | Jul 26 14:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the date modified gets updated so the updated records will appear in the | Jul 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | batch of recent posts, but currently that is a fixed number so if it is 11 out | Jul 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of 10 allowed it will not show up. The script perhaps ought to be modified | Jul 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | so that it is n records or m days worth of records, whichever is larger | Jul 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I noticed that and thought 10 might be too small, given the "cheapness" of just an itemised list of plain URLs with short text | Jul 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are good from a usability and crawling POV | Jul 26 14:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes 10 is too small | Jul 26 15:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Ok, it;s increased to 15 for now until the OR can be added. | Jul 26 15:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | pushing to Git in a bit | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, very nice! 100% css, works in falkon | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | librewold (gecko) also | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll need to update our temnplates | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne's also | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the script that vomits out that template | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | hang on... | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | oih, wait | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would then not work across in the "old" site | Jul 26 15:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | so not yet | Jul 26 15:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | my irc checker has just output 5 new links, so I assume that alkso expanded the scope of the xml file to 15 (from 10) | Jul 26 15:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jul 26 15:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^ it's increased to 15 for now uintil the OR can be added to the approriate | Jul 26 15:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | script | Jul 26 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | coming to think of it, the irc checker can double up as a downtime alerter at a later stage | Jul 26 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | for now all the monitoring I have is tmux on cavan | Jul 26 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | our gemini capsule is 100% uptime since the major power outage | Jul 26 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I monitor is constantly | Jul 26 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | dns needing update it the biggest risk | Jul 26 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | *is | Jul 26 15:09 |
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| schestowitz-TR | just checked some of the bash wrappers to perl | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | to see if dialog fits (it does not) | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | your code is very neatly written and organised | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | compared to mine | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | but if I put more time/effort into mine, it would improve | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of TM and TR became your force multipliers | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | up until 2018 most stuff was manual | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | i used dialog to amke some ncurses UIs for rianne | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and that saves her time | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | she does not use git, but she now saves files to a repo of shared files, which automates backups | Jul 26 15:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and makes sharing stuff very simple | Jul 26 15:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the neatness is actually the quick way to write it | Jul 26 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm not sure ncurses would help here but I have no objection to it | Jul 26 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | if it can fit into the work flow AND there is insistence on it | Jul 26 15:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | dialogue only comes in hjandy for non free-form text input | Jul 26 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | like "select from the following users" | Jul 26 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | for tuxmachines it would not add anything | Jul 26 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | with the browser I sometimes streamline the postings using multiple tacs | Jul 26 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the drupal UI is not optimal.. far from it | Jul 26 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | *tabs | Jul 26 15:24 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | sure the kiwi-irc applet and other clients can be of use there | Jul 26 15:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there are still permission problems with the way we have Git, some further | Jul 26 15:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | planning is needed to streamline it | Jul 26 15:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | re irc page in new site, should we add the kiwi-irc applet there? | Jul 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | something similar to "old"? | Jul 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was about to say, if you set up the html file for that page, then I can dump the stuff into it via git | Jul 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, new pages don't have the favicon stuff in them yet | Jul 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I was guessing you did not pull those changes in to prod. | Jul 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried last night and was horribly confused | Jul 26 15:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the IRC page has a placeholder. I'll look at the Favicon stuff now | Jul 26 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec2 | (just pushed script changes to Git too) | Jul 26 15:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | did yhou add/push irc template/placeholdder? | Jul 26 15:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've pulled, grep'ed "irc" a | Jul 26 15:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and nothing in git show either | Jul 26 15:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | just made a hardlink from the Icon for favicon.ico | Jul 26 15:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not yet, I'll add the IRC placeholder | Jul 26 15:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | np | Jul 26 15:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Git is trouble again, but working on it ... | Jul 26 15:59 |
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| schestowitz-TR | cheers! | Jul 26 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | git will be replaced by something that promises to do the same core stuff while keeping it simple | Jul 26 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | like sequoia for pgp | Jul 26 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | software has this lifecycle that leads to sucking at some stage | Jul 26 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | the www reached that point as well | Jul 26 16:01 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ok pushed to Git | Jul 26 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sequoia looks promising | Jul 26 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but it is needed in Thunderbird but Mitchell Baker is killing Thunderbird | Jul 26 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | through active neglect and chasing irrelevant goals, perhaps at the behest | Jul 26 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of her paymaster, Google | Jul 26 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep a poison kitchen | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | a baker in Gulag's "poison kitchen" | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's get rid of rss | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | who needs it anyway? | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | get rid of xul too | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | extensions arend't need, we need ads | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | pocket for spying on bookmarks.,.. "DATZ DE SHIT!!" | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | pushed irc file | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | can you pull/deploy? | Jul 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | or tell me how to do that most safely? | Jul 26 16:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tm-generate-feed.pl now does an OR of the sets produced by -d and -n if | Jul 26 16:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they are both used at the same time; | Jul 26 16:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I have no idea, the permissions are still a mess | Jul 26 16:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | try from your account | Jul 26 16:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | git commit -m 'relevant commment' irc.shtml | Jul 26 16:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | git push origin HEAD:master | Jul 26 16:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that might work | Jul 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I pushed it OK, I just don't know how to pull in the changes from the server side, even selectively for that file | Jul 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I reckon some accounts like tuxmachines | Jul 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | lack direct access to some of these files | Jul 26 16:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | great | Jul 26 16:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | git pull origin master | Jul 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, that worked from your end, with some screen sizes itg looks better than with others... testing... | Jul 26 16:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, kiwiirc uses clownflare, but that affects only this one page | Jul 26 16:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | somehax0r told me | Jul 26 16:11 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Michael Larabel has just changed his profile picture in all Phoronix pages to https://www.phoronix.com/assets/categories/michaellarabel.webp | Jul 26 16:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | he's not looking happy any more, perhaps because of the fallout from selling out | Jul 26 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and what the act of selling out did to him inside | Jul 26 16:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | he gained a lot of weight, but this photo does not show it | Jul 26 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | I saw him | Jul 26 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | he has a bit of a beer belly | Jul 26 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | he used to be very thin | Jul 26 16:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | as well as what it did to his reader base | Jul 26 16:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I hope his health is ok and that he can recover both physically and morally | Jul 26 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | wife lost job | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | baby born | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, opposite order | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the order matters | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then power bills up sharply | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and many readers tight with money | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | which lwn said caused many casncelations in the wake of covid | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | to his credit, he is VERY hard-working | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | just no longer as principled | Jul 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think dire straits | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | a year or two ago he turned to slashdot.org in search of traffic | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | submitting his stgories there, as did SJVN 'fan club' (LF) | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | same trajectory as spamnil | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | except I cannot accuse Larabel of clickfraud | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | which spamnil is not "doping" on | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | he must be in a panic | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | his guests seeing their viewcount barely exceeds 10 people | Jul 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne has a thing or two to say about "pretentiousness" of "his" [something racist] | Jul 26 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the *refresh.sh scripts are updated to do a union of the last two days worth | Jul 26 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of posts OR the last 15 posts, whichever set is larger | Jul 26 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | np | Jul 26 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | One can hope. Maybe there will be a return to some special posts like the | Jul 26 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | reviews or similar | Jul 26 16:24 |
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| schestowitz-TR | excellent, thanks! | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I reckon this site got a shot in the arm for another decade | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and adding gemini will be easy, I have enough experience to add it fast later, once there are .gmi files | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | then we can add the git repo, reusing the stuff from TR 'UI' | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | wordpress and drupal can be rigid in a number of ways | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | with this cms it's a blank sheet | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | so all sorts of publication forms are possible | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | though I'dnot overdo HTML5 | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would defeat the purpose | Jul 26 16:26 |
| schestowitz | how newswaffle sees it: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//news.tuxmachines.org | Jul 26 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | newswaffle seems to work | Jul 26 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | the "old" site seems too noisy for it to figure out where the main content is, in either modes | Jul 26 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | tuxmachines is a site from the php-nuke generation | Jul 26 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | where "smart" phone were not a thing yet and certain stuff like web forums was favoured over | Jul 26 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | few centralised BS mills like reddit and FB | Jul 26 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Phoronix has just gone offline. Even clownflare cannot reach it. Yes, it outsourced to this malCDN. | Jul 26 16:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | none of this has been exained properly on a mobile device yet | Jul 26 16:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :( | Jul 26 16:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's back now | Jul 26 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it was def. down for a bit | Jul 26 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | phoronix has high revenue demands because it feeds 3 people and many full racks that run at max capacity while biden fist-bumps mr. tandoori oil | Jul 26 16:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :( | Jul 26 16:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 16:41 |
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| schestowitz-TR | Linux Foundation would have you believe Microsoft (crime) is "community" and GitHub is "Open Source", never mind the brand "Linux" being misused for greenwashing: "Learn more about the OS-Climate community on GitHub." https://www.fosslife.org/os-climate-releases-3-tools-tackling-climate-change | Jul 26 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | OS-Climate Releases 3 Tools for Tackling Climate Change | Jul 26 17:18 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 26 17:23 |
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| psydroid2 | I presume aggi activelow | Jul 26 18:20 |
| psydroid2 | he's asking questions in Liberia now | Jul 26 18:20 |
| psydroid2 | is* | Jul 26 18:21 |
| britney | "That's crazy man. Have you ever tried DMT?" - Joe Rogan | Jul 26 18:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | potewntial edge case just detected | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | scare quote or single quote in headline makes ' in URL | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | in some cases it works OK | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | with the rss feed, in quiterss, it stops at ' | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | so maybe needs same treatment as / | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | omission | Jul 26 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: which channel/s? | Jul 26 19:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | can you point to a URL ? | Jul 26 19:21 |
| psydroid2 | schestowitz-TR, #linux-sunxi | Jul 26 19:21 |
| psydroid2 | his last message was a few hours ago | Jul 26 19:21 |
| psydroid2 | I wasn't around myself | Jul 26 19:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, front page under "Security:" | Jul 26 19:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 26 19:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The feed is getting constructed correctlky AFAIK. The problem may be with | Jul 26 19:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | QuiteRSS. It is possible to add in an escape for that character though. | Jul 26 19:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you add the xml url to quite rss, you will see | Jul 26 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder if some browsers too would struggle | Jul 26 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | any sort of quote inside a url can lead to ambiguity | Jul 26 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for spaces unless %20 | Jul 26 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It still validates. I can look at an escape for that char. | Jul 26 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm really starting to dislike how git fails to work in a shared environemnt | Jul 26 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it only really safely works when there is one, and only one, account per clone | Jul 26 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or checkout | Jul 26 19:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am guessing there was some rolllback as I've just noticed that the irc page isn't there at the moment | Jul 26 19:35 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | If I get more frustrated I will wipe Git and start ove, it seems to be losing | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a *lot* of work the last hours. | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the irc page should still be there | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | hmm it's gone | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | f*ck git | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I think I have salvaged some of it from memory but now have to find a way to | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | get that back /into/ Git yet again | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | try QuiteRSS again | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok I've kind of restored the IRC page | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | we'll have to re-look at how to implement the DocumentRoot as a Git clone, later | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | For right now, Git is not set up to have multiple accounts editing the same clone | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | So as long as the DocumentRoot allows multiple people to work on it, which is | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a good thing, there will be severe trouble shoehorning Git into it; | Jul 26 21:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | More reading / testing is needed offline | Jul 26 21:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | I got your modified version of IRC, edited it some more, merged with the local version I had prior to the loss | Jul 26 21:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've not pushed anything yet, I keep the merge (new) file here | Jul 26 21:40 |
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| schestowitz-TR | All-time record today. Techrights Gemini capsule 50k page requests for the day. | Jul 26 23:10 |
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