IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 27, 2021

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> Sorry for the delayed response. I took a look at the capsule and it

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> looks like you have a lot of great content. It is unfortunately not well

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> structured for how spacewalk works (but is undoubtedly a good and

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> functional structure in general).

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> Spacewalk works based on page hash comparrison. Since your capsule moves

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> things into pages based on month/year, spacewalk would only see an

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> update every month or year... rather than every time you add a new

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> article. I am unfortunately, and with regrets, not able to update a link

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> to the current month folder every time the month changes.

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> I definitely support what y'all are doing and if you end up with a page

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> that shows maybe the top 10 or 20 most recent posts sorted by date or

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> hte like I'd be happy to include it as a part of the spacewalk feed. I

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> know making something extra just for this feed is probably out of scope

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> for you, but wanted to offer just in case you were interested.

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> Be in touch and let me know how you'd like to proceed. If more

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> information on how spacewalk works would be helpful I can provide that

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> as well.

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> Best wishes,

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Hi,

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How about

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/daily-feed

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and also

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/feed

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Let me know if that works better or needs further work.

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Regards,

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> Former media advisor Brittany Higgins[1] went public about 2 weeks ago,

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> claiming

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> a) rape on the sofa of female defense minister,

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> b) she didn't specify the suspect's name (Lehrmann), reports suggest her

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> gripe is with the Government for helping suspect make a clean getaway,

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> officials even steam cleaned the sofa before the police could check it

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> Even though she never told anybody the name of the suspect, three other

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> women immediately made complaints about the same suspect

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> I can't help wondering, if this guy had the same profile as Appelbaum,

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> would there be even more women with the same concerns as the first four?

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> The cover up is a story in itself, it involves the most senior officials

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> in a G20 government, that potentially makes it a lot bigger than the

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> Alex Salmond stuff. Australia also seems to have much more intense

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> injunctions such as the Securency super-injunction and the injunction

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> that concealed the case against Cardinal George Pell.

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> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/30/wikileaks-gag-order-open-justice-is-threatened-by-super-injuctions

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theguardian.com | WikiLeaks gag order: open justice is threatened by super-injunctions | Australia news | The Guardian

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> It seems that both techrighs and kangaroocourtofaustralia.com have been

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> shadow banned by Twitter and Facebook, so you have something in common

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> The media are having a field day with it because there are so many

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> pictures of the victim alongside powerful figures:

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> https://www.qt.com.au/news/what-speaker-knew-about-rape-claims/4199321/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.qt.com.au | ‘ACCESS TO SUITE’: List of staffers who knew of ‘incident’ | Queensland Times

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> and also because everybody is obviously lying, even a junior journalist

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> might get lucky exposing a lie with the right question

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> I might write something comparing the way Lehrmann's name has been

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> protected against the way Appelbaum and Assange where deliberately shamed.

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I generally know so little about these Aussie affairs that I'd rather not touch it myself, for fear I might write something wrong.

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Twitter went further than shadow-banning.

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Compare

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http://techrights.org/2021/01/28/twitter-censorship-regime/ (January)

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Twitter is Hiding Techrights and Partly Shadowbans Yours Truly | Techrights

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http://techrights.org/2021/02/04/twitter-berserk/ (Feb)

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and one day later:

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Twitter: We Suspend Your Account For Quoting the Media About Bill Gates | Techrights

http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/

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Afterthought (an hour ago):

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights

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Another example for the mix is RMS.

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The whole thing "started" with a mailing list post, which was almost understandably controversial.

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But he was cancelled for many women online then saying things about him, about things he's alleged to have "thought" ages ago. Or even outright fabrications (never corrected), e.g.:

http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/

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The damage is done:

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights

http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/

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https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20164558#e8ff1410598e0139c9a122bfe022ffdd

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Can Linux Run Video Games? • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148125

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"dude, it depends on the hardware, come on... are you trolling?"

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | Can Linux Run Video Games? | Tux Machines

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"it can’t sorry, you need to switch to windows"

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<li>

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<h5><a href="https://betanews.com/2021/02/26/mageia-8-linux-download/">Mageia 8 Linux distro ready for download</a></h5>

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-betanews.com | Mageia 6 Linux distribution now available for download

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<p>"ARM support has continued to develop, with both AArch64 and ARMv7 now having all packages built and being close to primary architectures now. Support for Wi-Fi installation in the classical installer using WPA2 encryption has been added, as well as improved support for newer filesystems allowing installations on F2FS. Support for NILFS, XFS, exFAT and Windows 10 NTFS has been improved to allow for better

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partition management," says Donald Stewart, Mageia developer. </p></blockquote></li>

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<li>

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<h5><a href="https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/02/23/getting-started-with-libreoffice-7-0-guide-just-arrived/">Getting Started with LibreOffice 7.0 Guide Just Arrived!</a></h5>

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<p>The Documentation Team is happy to announce the immediate availability of the LibreOffice 7.0 Getting Started Guide, updated to include all LibreOffice 7.0 features. </p>

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.documentfoundation.org | Getting Close to LibreOffice 4.1 - The Document Foundation Blog

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<p> The guide is written for anyone who wants to get up to speed quickly with LibreOffice. Readers may be new to office software, or may be familiar with another office suite. This guide is a valuable asset for all users. </p></blockquote></li>

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Feb 27 10:15

schestowitz__

I have put DB login details in my personal notes. I was going to send a more complete formula over ssh, but I see you got it anyway

Feb 27 10:15

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BTW, I still toggle logging on and off for Gemini, so the file is never complete. Over the past 2 days, however, due to growing strain from spiders, I left it on for longer periods of time. It helps to know how much it affects our connection and what the limits/bottlenecks are. Gemini is small, so I think a million requests per day can be barely noticeable. To us in the house anyway...

Feb 27 10:39

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IOW, for something compact like gem text I don't foresee a need to host from outside one's premises

Feb 27 10:39

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In the days of gophers you'd assume modem connections, so no 10MB per page midset

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In the days of gophers you'd assume modem connections, so no 10MB per page mindset

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Yeah. Though I am wondering specifically which parts the one bot was

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looping through the other day.

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I keep an eye on the gemini mailing lists now but have not subscribed as there it too much and lots of OT stuff

Feb 27 10:41

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gopher and wearly web were concurrent.

Feb 27 10:42

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LOTS of off topic stuff there, too bad.

Feb 27 10:42

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There are also a lot of people

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that don'tr / won't understand what document metadata is. Where it is useful

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and whether there should be some in Gemini text is another matter, but

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it's hard to discuss when many don't grasp the topic. Which is a major puzzle

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since many claim to be in ICT yet lack core knowledge and some major concepts.

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The TR browsing structure is only possible because there was a way to

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smuggle date and title of documents through the workflow to the end stage.

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At the end of the day it is about ke-value pairs. Fighting over the semantic

Feb 27 10:45

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contents is pointless. Perhaps that this their goal, to bog it down

Feb 27 10:45

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with concern trolling and fake misunderstanding.

Feb 27 10:45

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I'm not sure adding metadat to gemini files is good, I am not sure it is bad.

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But it is frustrating that while some clearly understand, and that is good,

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many appear to refuse to understand the concepts.

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Anyway, with direct access to the MariDB database through SQL, it will b

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e possible to streamline and simplify the generation of pages.

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It's more of an exercise in principle now, but doing it that way

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is more likely to be reusable by other projects.

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ime, what's lacking is documenting (project's generic name isn't helping), so we need to document, cover, advocate, just spread gemini:// links etc.

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For a large site focused on tech news we can become an early show case >on a large scale< and I think this gives us some influence over the direction taken as nothing is yet set in stone or standardised

Feb 27 10:52

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ts would come from pacakging

Feb 27 10:53

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some clients for various distros.

Feb 27 10:53

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I can poke some DDs, but not sure of the procedures followed

Feb 27 10:53

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Agreed, but one of the biggest advancements would come from pacakging

Feb 27 10:54

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some clients for various distros.

Feb 27 10:54

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It's more of a few skill levels below DD

Feb 27 10:56

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even I could probably package, if I had a dedicated system and ensured that

Feb 27 10:56

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I could commit to setting time aside for a cycle or two.

Feb 27 10:56

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it might be best for the original s/w devs to do/propose, then pass to a DD/DM with keyring access

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iow, I think it's well outside our scope and priority. Some of the main tools rely on the BLOAT of rust cargo cult, which having explored on arm the other day, I now regard to be as bad as Electron

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frameworks and bloat are now seen as benign and simple tools as malicious and dangerous

Feb 27 10:58

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I always feel a bit guilty about logging gemini, knowing what this project is inherently against, but I'm sure others too pursue some sort of diagnostics, which makes sense when one address can make half a million reqs in several hours. Should we package something up to that effect? Maybe as means of DDOS protection? Surely it'll become a real issue in coming months/years.

Feb 27 11:02

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I added gawk as a dependency for dates in the logs

Feb 27 11:03

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iftop -i wlan0 -P -t -L 1000 | grep -B 0 -A 1 :1965 | grep -v :1965 | gawk '{ print strftime("[%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:]"), $0 }' >> /home/gemini/log.txt

Feb 27 11:04

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sudo tcpdump --direction=in -l -tttt -i wlan0 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn) != 0 and port 1965' | awk '{sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$2); sub

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(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$4); print $1, $2, $4;}'

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more accurate than iftop

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let's try that...

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it seems to work ok so far, and with more real-time-like traits

Feb 27 12:33

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tcpdump may have to be added, but it is the mainstay of network toolboxes every-

Feb 27 12:34

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where

Feb 27 12:34

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also throw in a -p there in the tcpdump part

Feb 27 12:34

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cat log_gemini_new.sh

Feb 27 12:36

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tcpdump -p --direction=in -l -tttt -i wlan0 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn) != 0 and port 1965' | awk '{sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,,); sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,,); print , , ;}' >> /home/gemini/log.txt

Feb 27 12:36

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corrected now, lost some bits

Feb 27 12:38

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show-new-visitors.sh may now need amending. I kept the old version of the logger aside (old filename).

Feb 27 12:40

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yes and it won't miss connections

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it is precise since the gemini protocol has one-one for connections and request

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^ tario

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ratio

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ok I'll check the script

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the show-new-visitors.sh can be simplified to just contain tail

Feb 27 12:49

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all set

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remember the >> append redirect?

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did the port change or something? I've been struggling here, can't figure out why it's not writing anything with either network tool

Feb 27 13:17

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sudo tcpdump --direction=in -p -l -tttt -i wlan0 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn) != 0 and port 1965' | awk '{sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$2);

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sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$4); print $1, $2, $4;}' >> /home/gemini/log.txt

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it has to write to expected location

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either the new or the old one-liner would not write to that file anymore and it does not seem to be a permissions issue (I checked loads of things)

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ok. on the RPi it must be:\

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sudo tcpdump --direction=in -p -l -tttt -i wlan0 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn) != 0 and port 1965' | awk '{sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$2);

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sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$4); print $1, $2, $4;fflush();}' >> /home/gemini/log2.txt

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adjust the log name as needed

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now=`date +"-%Y-%m-%d"`

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echo '----------------------------------------------------------------------------' >> /home/gemini/gemini-log${now}.txt

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echo -n 'Restarting logging at ' >> /home/gemini/gemini-log${now}.txt

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date >> /home/gemini/gemini-log${now}.txt

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echo '' >> /home/gemini/gemini-log${now}.txt

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# tcpdump -p --direction=in -l -tttt -i wlan0 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn) != 0 and port 1965' | awk '{sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$2); sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$4); print $1, $2, $4;}' >> /home/gemini/log.txt

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sudo tcpdump --direction=in -p -l -tttt -i wlan0 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn) != 0 and port 1965' | awk '{sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$2);sub(/\.[0-9]+$/,"",$4); print $1, $2, $4;fflush();}' >> /home/gemini/gemini-log${now}.txt

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The viewer may need to be adapted somewhat for this, I think having a separate directory like ~/log is worthwhile too

Feb 27 13:34

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a separate directory is probably a good idea

Feb 27 13:36

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you have just made one

Feb 27 13:37

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ok, it's now running and writing correctly to the right file/s

Feb 27 13:39

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just tidied up ~ a little with subdirs

Feb 27 13:46

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yes, see also ~?bin/tcpdump-logger.sh

Feb 27 13:47

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much improved

Feb 27 13:47

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checking..

Feb 27 13:47

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imported to "pi" the more elegant script (bash) and reran with files set afresh (binned the older files in /tmp )

Feb 27 13:53

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do you want to modify show-new-visitors.sh or should I? File location changed (dynamic) and maybe the format too needs adapting to (awk)

Feb 27 13:56

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I'll get it

Feb 27 13:57

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excellent, thanks. I was reluctant to run my old hack with cli mode top because it was too cpu-intensive to be worth it, except when diagnosing. The current implementation is a lot better and doesn't have high i/o in the mix

Feb 27 13:58

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ok I have ~/bin/tcpdump-logger.sh and ~~/bin/show-new-visitors.sh matching

Feb 27 14:04

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I have just diff'ed ~/bin/tcpdump-logger.sh and what's running. It seems not to have changed since I fused that in.

Feb 27 14:04

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except indentation? I see file change 5 mins ago.

Feb 27 14:05

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to avoid conflicts I've just put RO log_gemini_new.sh in ~gemini/bin

Feb 27 14:07

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yes tweaking, a bad habit of always changing

Feb 27 14:08

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I know my lazy quick and dirty hacks can be factorised there

Feb 27 14:08

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to make it less like spying and more like DDOS prevention is might be worth extending to give something like count of reqs per host, periodically, to highlight bw hogs

Feb 27 14:09

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then it will have to escalate in complexity

Feb 27 14:10

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that can be a separate script e.g. flag_hoarder.sh

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that can be in awk or perl then

Feb 27 14:12

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host in space-separated line feed is always 3rd element

Feb 27 14:13

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I typically process that with 'cut' and you could reuse some online hacks for counting and sorting by number the hostnames

Feb 27 14:14

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for multi-day 'cat' can help (aggregating files)

Feb 27 14:14

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something like cat log* | cut SOMETHING | sort THEN CRUNCH/Count

Feb 27 14:15

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$ awk '$3 {a[$3]++} END{ for (b in a) {print a[b],b}}' OFS="\t" /home/gemini/logs/gemini-log-$(date +"%F").log

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| sort -k1,1nr -k2,2

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awk ... /home/gemini/logs/*.log

Feb 27 14:16

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this works! gee, that was fast!

Feb 27 14:17

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can be periodically run with 'clear' and maybe two-pane tmux for ~/bin/show-new-visitors.sh

Feb 27 14:18

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would decrease the number of command we need to run rather than monitoring pane to observe

Feb 27 14:18

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it's awk, so low overhead

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watch will do that.

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watch awk ...

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maybe wrap it in a shell script on ~/bin?

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see the -n or --interval option

Feb 27 14:20

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I see you edit the file (.swap)

Feb 27 14:21

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lock release, sorry I forgot it was open

Feb 27 14:22

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now it is run with watch

Feb 27 14:22

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show-new-visitors-count.sh is the wrapper for the above awk

Feb 27 14:22

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It's not so efficient in that it will re-read the whole file, so the interval

Feb 27 14:23

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ought to be nice and long

Feb 27 14:23

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watch-for-heavy-users.sh is in place

Feb 27 14:25

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chmod set

Feb 27 14:25

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ok, 755 might be better permissions or 555 or 550

Feb 27 14:26

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I think one script with fail -f was modified a bit to accomplish something different and then exit

Feb 27 14:29

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I've modified 3 lines, commented out two and brought another up to date with the filename format

Feb 27 14:32

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./show-new-visitors-count.sh is locked, I was going to make a rule for edge case of date being added for logger shutdown/startup (something to exclude "at")

Feb 27 14:34

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see also /lib/systemd/system/gemini-tcpdump-logger.service

Feb 27 14:35

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/usr/local/sbin/tcpdump-logger.sh

Feb 27 14:35

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Oh, it is just read only

Feb 27 14:36

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now it is writable again

Feb 27 14:36

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With the daemon running the "at" thing will no longer be an issue

Feb 27 14:37

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we'll just need a policy for flushing out rotated logs or whatnot to respect privacy

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logrotate can do that

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should I just turn off the logging from pi account? Assuming the daemon can do the same already?

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yes the 'pi' account does not need to do logging now, the (ugh) systemd

Feb 27 14:40

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service does that now

Feb 27 14:40

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coming soon: Task Manager :-) OK, disabling that at the pi account now

Feb 27 14:41

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Active: active (running) since Sat 2021-02-27 14:32:24 GMT; 10min ago

Feb 27 14:43

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there are two files on logs, maybe one is from an old script that was not updated

Feb 27 14:44

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Oh, there is a missing "-log"

Feb 27 14:45

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I will override the service, comment out the current

Feb 27 14:46

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I've changed the file in /usr and restarted/reloaded the service, though it still writes logs to the old location

Feb 27 14:53

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$ sudo crontab -l | grep -Ev '^$|^#'

Feb 27 14:53

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0 0 * * * /bin/systemctl restart gemini-tcpdump-logger.service

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/home/gemini/logs/gemini-2021-02-27.log is getting the input for now

Feb 27 14:57

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yes, it has gotten split into two files

Feb 27 14:57

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and I worry that the other peripheral scripts probably anticipate the form with "-log" in it

Feb 27 14:57

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show-new-visitors-count.sh for example anticipates the newer form (filename)

Feb 27 15:00

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show-new-visitors-count.sh and show-new-visitors.sh in ~/bin now

Feb 27 15:05

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look for the new file name

Feb 27 15:05

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I made some changes to location, but I cannot get my head around the fact it's still writing to the older location, no matter if I restart the service

Feb 27 15:06

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those were the only two ther looking for the old one

Feb 27 15:06

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which old location?

Feb 27 15:08

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I think that the "newer" one has "log-" or "-log" in the filename

Feb 27 15:08

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Oh, I think my commenting style in the middle broke it

Feb 27 15:15

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I also see you've just edited that out

Feb 27 15:15

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the file structure we want is /home/gemini/logs/gemini-log-$(date +"%F").log

Feb 27 15:19

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I think it boils down to inconsistent in what we thought would be the target file

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I think it boils down to inconsistent thinking or confusion/lack of understanding in what we thought would be the target file

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fixed, I think

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there was some weird stuff in the service script

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It was my fault for putting a comment in a multi-line bit

Feb 27 15:21

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There were also some invalid filters in tcpdump

Feb 27 15:21

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I'll set all the scripts to /home/gemini/logs/gemini-log-$(date +"%F").log

Feb 27 15:21

schestowitz__

Yes, we keep changing our stuff back and forth due to unintended lack of understanding

Feb 27 15:22

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imagine what it's like when two devs get confused over what "master" turns to, "main" or "leader"

Feb 27 15:22

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yes

Feb 27 15:24

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ok the system script is fixed, I'll copy a backup to ~/bin

Feb 27 15:24

schestowitz__

Cheers, I'll test what existing scripts we have. I see that logging still goes into gemini-2021-02-27.log in ADDITION to the other file? Maybe two service running at the same time? Have not checked.....

Feb 27 15:25

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Hmm. That means a bug in the systemd file, I'll get it

Feb 27 15:28

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the rest all seems to work now, I'll make it easier for me to monitor now, esp. as we tend to attract some crazy bots (two of them yesterday)

Feb 27 15:29

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KillMode=process

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needed to be

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KillMode=control-group

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KillMode=mixed

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The IBM way of doing think. IBM is not mast... I mean, leader in Linux

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The IBM way of doing things. IBM is not mast... I mean, leader in Linux

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systemd is not about making things easier or more efficent, one look

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at the code belies that. What systemd appears to be about is IBM

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carrying through on M$ old goals of decommodifying Linux

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It's getting too complex for any amateur or part-timer

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I had to learn because all the server distros now have it

Feb 27 15:36

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IBM probably read the Halloween Documents years ago, and figured theu

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could beat M$ at its own game and attack Linux by wrapping it in

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PID1 and being the bottleneck between the kernel and GNU space

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might we also joke that 'Microsoft came from IBM' (in some weird sense)?

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Maybhe but more that IBM saw what M$ was trying to do and decided to beat them

Feb 27 17:54

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at it: docommoditization

Feb 27 17:54

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Maybe I can think of an article to do about it, but that would require os/2 research and I know too little

Feb 27 17:54

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It'd be hard to dig up the material but there was a lot at the time. M$

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backstabbed IBM badly over NT vs OS/2. They led IBM into thinking that

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there would be applications for OS/2, at the same time M$ was acquiring

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partial copyright over OS/2. So later on down the road, IBM could do nothing with OS/2 because M$ shared copyright.

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When lawyers (of law school drop-outs) dominate companies and not techs... we all lose

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and MBAs. I am sure there is an inversre relationship between the

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number of MBAs in a company to its viability. The only problem is that

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the research would be in the area of "business" and so the MBAs would

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be the ones to decide about the research grant.

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THey'd block it.

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