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| schestowitz-TR | gm | Mar 27 07:00 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I'm mostly set now, main remaining task is data migration and stuff like | Mar 27 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | thunderbird | Mar 27 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | jriddell et al did a glorious job on kde neon | Mar 27 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | so if you like KDE, you might want to try it one day | Mar 27 07:00 |
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| Techrights-sec | gm | Mar 27 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec | I'll have to take another look at KDE sometime soon. I'm risking getting too | Mar 27 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec | locked into XFCE4 with all the customizations currently. | Mar 27 08:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | xfce4 is nice also, I still use it on an old laptop, but if you don't have capacity constraints no compelling reasons to use it.... it still lacks some powerful features and its native stuff (mousepad, file manager etv) leaves much to be desired | Mar 27 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | I tend to mix and match the extras, like file manager and text editor | Mar 27 08:19 |
| Techrights-sec | XFCE4 is just the DE | Mar 27 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you receive rianne's email? | Mar 27 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a 10+ y-o galaxy without number, no network access, no wifi | Mar 27 08:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | we use that as a camera now | Mar 27 08:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | on LAN | Mar 27 08:21 |
| Techrights-sec | Nope. Which account / time? There's nothing in the spam boxes either. | Mar 27 08:21 |
| Techrights-sec | Maybe it's trapped in greylisting? What was the topic? | Mar 27 08:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe wrong email address, it was just a photo | Mar 27 08:35 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 27 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kdeneon | Mar 27 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: KDE neon | Mar 27 09:15 | |
| Techrights-sec | re-packaged Ubuntu | Mar 27 09:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but they are no friends of Canonical and some of it devs followed me in Twitter and RTd while I was still there | Mar 27 09:16 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 27 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course DST is already causing minor niggles in some clients' systems. What is DST good for? NOTHING. In TM and TR I never saw any issues related to ths. IRC logging also works fine, it may simply mean leap or same hour twice. | Mar 27 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the only upside is, that give rianne and I something to put in handovers | Mar 27 09:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | ecording paten video, very long, in a few mins | Mar 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | ota | Mar 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will be recording paten video, very long, in a few mins | Mar 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | ota | Mar 27 10:50 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 27 10:50 |
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| schestowitz-TR | done recordfing | Mar 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | ZERO mentions of EPO strike!!!!!! | Mar 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | it NEVER happened | Mar 27 13:54 |
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| schestowitz-TR | if you are aware of a software frameworby which to distribute video encoding, tell me/point me | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | as we might need to implement somethng of our own | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | one option is ffmpeg file split, e.g. into 30-min shunks | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | then sending these to different machines | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | process | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | then re-assembled ad merge | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the very cpu-intensive part is the watermark | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | not the format shift | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've been reluctant to add anything more as it would slow things down even further | Mar 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it's grinding away at the file system | Mar 27 14:22 |
| Techrights-sec | not aware of any such video tools but there might be some or it might be | Mar 27 15:03 |
| Techrights-sec | possible to script | Mar 27 15:03 |
| Techrights-sec | however, 30 minutes is maybe too long anyway | Mar 27 15:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you type anything before the buffer was reset? | Mar 27 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | I rsync over vonick to bubi right now | Mar 27 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | bubi is an elephant's name | Mar 27 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | thenm I will rsync againthen do some sanity check | Mar 27 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | also installing some software like thunderbird at the moment | Mar 27 15:52 |
| Techrights-sec | no, just typed in the wrong window | Mar 27 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | Speaking of Thunderbird, have you seen mention anywhere about how to get | Mar 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | past the block that GMail will put into place at the end of May? There | Mar 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | were some hints about allowing an "application password" but no functioning | Mar 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | guides or tutorials anywhere. | Mar 27 15:54 |
| Techrights-sec | Speaking of Thunderbird, have you seen mention anywhere about how to get | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | past the block that GMail will put into place at the end of May? There | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | were some hints about allowing an "application password" but no functioning | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | guides or tutorials anywhere. | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | Sylpheed, Thunderbird, Re-Alpine, Mutt, and all the others will soon be excluded | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | from working over GMail. For some that is a big problem. Even for those that don't use GMail it is a problem because Google is | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | that much closer to gaining | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | control over the protocols involved. They already break IMAPS. By eliminating | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | the non-Google clients and saddling people with their webmail, not only | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | will tracking capabilities go through the roof, but also their potential to | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | close off the e-mail 'market' | Mar 27 15:58 |
| Techrights-sec | and turn written messaging into something proprietary which they control totally | Mar 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know close to nothing about it, I did a view about it this year | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I used yahoo more than 20 years ago | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | then an uncle's domain | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | then my own in 2004 | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I also has cs.man.ac.uk address | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but those are a bad idea to use | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | along with sp accounta dna other cademic accounts | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | *isp | Mar 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | *i did a video | Mar 27 16:00 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | Mar 27 16:03 |
| Techrights-sec | like riseup | Mar 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | gmx can shut down any day | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | for legal reasons | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | financial reasons | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | they and gulag cAN also suspend and blacklisty peole | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | turning the email system into the social control media with "@" for email rather | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | than handle names like in twitler | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | "sorry, yur email account is not compatible with our value; you insist on two genders only" | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | "no free email for yuou" | Mar 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | i have a rather dumb question | Mar 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | but your ballpark | Mar 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | does rsync involve any crc checks | Mar 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | by which it can detect and announce data issue sna mitsmatches? | Mar 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | network has that, but we still use checksums | Mar 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to know if there was a corruption in daata from vonick | Mar 27 16:25 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Mar 27 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | SNA? | Mar 27 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | rsync has a rolling checksum as it passes through blocks of each file | Mar 27 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | with rsync the transfer will be sound but the question would instead be | Mar 27 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | whether or how uch the data was already corrupted on the defective drive befor | Mar 27 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | the transfer | Mar 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's just say that this issue went on for like a month | Mar 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it always declares recovery based on what I saw | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and moreover I did not see any weak binaryy crashes | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | or data refusing to load | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I can hope the system always found OK blocks to work with | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I left ted I did at one point see a message like, | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | "this is not supposed to happen! Taata will be lost" | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | That was already around the time I was offloading data off the machine, which was 11 | Mar 27 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | openzfs has checksumming of individual files and, to a certian extent, error | Mar 27 16:30 |
| Techrights-sec | correction but EXT4 lacks that | Mar 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | re files, i think I did OK overall. what I lost from teen years was of little value | Mar 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | like very lousy email correspondences, mostly family | Mar 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | and maybe some graphics stuff of a teen | Mar 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | inc. winamp theme | Mar 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | and music | Mar 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | music that I can recover, it's not mine | Mar 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | my mail goes back 20+ years | Mar 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | halfway not in rsync | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will do a second pass | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | how can I "ork" thunderbird on one machine to ensure I do not launch it onthe old one by accident? | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did have this issue before | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | pop3 and all means I risk breaking account consistency | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | one option is to remove thunderbird completely from the old machine | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | another is to disable account checks | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | or "offline mode" | Mar 27 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm not sure of how to have an exclusive lock across separate systems | Mar 27 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe use one account read-only. POP3 should not be used, only IMAPS. It | Mar 27 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec | can either leave the mail on the server or download it or both | Mar 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | back to keyboard | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | thought: | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | i have directory "blah" in ~ | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want all files in blah to be accessible | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | but NONE to be changed | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | what permissions/user/other? | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | chomd 555 for ~/blah covers all case? | Mar 27 16:55 |
| Techrights-sec | I'd say disable it partially or completely on the old machine | Mar 27 16:55 |
| Techrights-sec | 551 or 555 for the directories 444 or 440 for the files | Mar 27 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | can I now just do that at the top level rather than recursievely? | Mar 27 16:56 |
| Techrights-sec | It has to be recursive | Mar 27 16:59 |
| Techrights-sec | find . -type d -exec chmod o=rx,g=rx,o=x {} \; -print | Mar 27 16:59 |
| Techrights-sec | find . -type f -exec chmod o=r,g=r,x= {} \; -print | Mar 27 16:59 |
| Techrights-sec | or something like that | Mar 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | how about the approch os selective write -protection | Mar 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | or | Mar 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | change directory names | Mar 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that any attempts to even access these files will result in errors? | Mar 27 17:11 |
| Techrights-sec | the partition could be mounted read-only but only if /var and the others are | Mar 27 17:11 |
| Techrights-sec | elsewhere | Mar 27 17:11 |
| Techrights-sec | You could also make a new thunderbird profile and move/rename/delete the old one | Mar 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the past I did mv ~./thunderbird somethinglese | Mar 27 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think that should be enough | Mar 27 17:12 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Mar 27 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | to detect any writes to othgeher files | Mar 27 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can run some CLI stuff with aname or date | Mar 27 17:12 |
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| schestowitz-TR | til programs on my system with lock files that cannot be copied acrorss: | Mar 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | firefox | Mar 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | thunderbird | Mar 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | gerbil (gemini) | Mar 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | gnome authenticator | Mar 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | lagrange | Mar 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | librewlf | Mar 27 17:18 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | netsurf | Mar 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | ii | Mar 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, first rsync pass donme | Mar 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | my apprich was to separate files I rarely use from the ones I actiovely need | Mar 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | so ended up with 89 GB | Mar 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | that keeps backups of /home at under 100GB | Mar 27 17:20 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 27 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | remember, rsync can copy errors, too | Mar 27 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | the shell script from the other day uses hardlinks via rsync to avoid redundant | Mar 27 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | files taking up extra space | Mar 27 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | So if a file is unchanged between backups, rsync just makes a hardlink instead | Mar 27 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | of an extra copy. | Mar 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | is there an rsync opt to highlight which files got changed when I do the second pass? | Mar 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the sizes do match | Mar 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | du -sh | Mar 27 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec | So if a file is unchanged between backups, rsync just makes a hardlink instead | Mar 27 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec | of an extra copy. | Mar 27 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, --dry-run | Mar 27 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec | aka -n | Mar 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | dry run took like 20 secs for the whole thing | Mar 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | does it compute checksums so fast? | Mar 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, it did not show which files changed | Mar 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was just reading the manpage | Mar 27 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec | rsync -a -v --dry-run /source/ /dest/ | Mar 27 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/rsync.html | Mar 27 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cs.tufts.edu | - rsync.nw | Mar 27 17:26 | |
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| Techrights-sec | https://rsync.samba.org/how-rsync-works.html | Mar 27 17:29 |
| Techrights-sec | https://rsync.samba.org/tech_report/ | Mar 27 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rsync.samba.org | How Rsync Works | Mar 27 17:29 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rsync.samba.org | The rsync algorithm | Mar 27 17:29 | |
| schestowitz-TR | it seems like the second pass is slower than the second | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | without knowing all the nitty-gretty details | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I would guess that rather than flinging over the file en masse | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | it now goes through the bul one by one and compres for any ddiffs | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is probably what I want anyway | Mar 27 18:19 |
| Techrights-sec | it just transfers diffs, errors and all | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I now use atime and mtime | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | one helps me see what gets CHANGED | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other what needs to be there and accessed | Mar 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | due to some legacy stuff | Mar 27 18:19 |
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| schestowitz-TR | iirc there is a cpu vs bandwidth tradeoff | Mar 27 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes it can be cheaper to copy across the file | Mar 27 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | than to compute the diffs between 2 files | Mar 27 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to copy first, thenj compare just in case is not a bad idea | Mar 27 18:29 |
| Techrights-sec | also filesystem bottleneck | Mar 27 18:29 |
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| Techrights-sec | rsync won't detect errors, only copy the changes. The changes can be errors | Mar 27 18:54 |
| Techrights-sec | themselves. | Mar 27 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, I am perfectly aware | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I just think I would sleep better at night knowing the transmission itself was OK | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if some time down the line I have issue I can at least reassure myself | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it wasn't some sloppy rsync handling 20+ years of my work | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I archiuve files (like phd stuff, I don't need to access this anymore) | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I put that on 3 external disks now | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like a shelf or warehouse | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | one that does not need backing up over and over again | Mar 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have some memos typed with my PC history and specs (not maintained for over a decade but still handy) | Mar 27 18:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | in 2007 I moved from baine (university) to novatech, which I'd use until 2014 when I moved to ted | Mar 27 18:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | ted lasted until 2020 when I moved to vonick | Mar 27 19:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | vonick is still OK for the most part, but the disk is not in a good shape | Mar 27 19:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | the specs are good though, it's good for encoding and some other stuff, so I want to use it for a long time to come, even if I boot from external media | Mar 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | but cutting to the chase, when moving to ted in 2014 I was perhaps a little sloppy and was apprehensive because one external drive was failing and when rsyncing the files over to ted I only had partial scrollback, which I still have someone | Mar 27 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I lacked confidence that all went smoothly | Mar 27 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I still have some backups of my university computers, but that is quite ancient and not terrible useful anymore, the important files was passed to the next pc and the config files are invalid to newer, modern versions of the same softare | Mar 27 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | screenshots are better ways to get nostalgic about these | Mar 27 19:03 |
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| schestowitz-TR | evacuation of thunderbird seems to have been a smashing success | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | turns out the machine was clobbered by file indexing | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | not by rsync itself | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | that even caused plasma to mcrash a few times, due to lack of resources | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | baloo need to be OFF by default | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | Now I back up the whole pi, cloning the machine, to the USB stick | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | This can take a few hours, as I think it does this one file at a time and there | Mar 27 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | are close to 100k files | Mar 27 20:42 |
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