●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 27, 2022 ●● ● Jun 27 [00:40] *SaphirJD has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 27 [01:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 27 [02:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [02:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 27 [03:15] *techrights_guest|47 (~490b85f4@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:44] schestowitz-TR "You cant rely on Google to preserve the Web or anything that happened on it." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/26/google-youtube-gulagtube-removes-incredibly-racist-and-transphobic-political-ad-from-illinois-state-rep-jeanne-ives/ [03:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-baronhk.wordpress.com | Google YouTube (GulagTube) removes incredibly racist and transphobic political ad from Illinois state Rep. Jeanne Ives. BaronHK's Rants ● Jun 27 [05:57] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jun 27 [06:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:00] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:03] *techrights_guest|47 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:15] Techrights-sec2 TM seems to be having difficulties, the httpd log shows that it is up [06:15] Techrights-sec2 but there is almost no traffic which is strange, and I can't reach it via [06:15] Techrights-sec2 http from here [06:15] Techrights-sec2 I've tried restarting httpd there, twice, to be sure but there has been no change in the problem [06:15] Techrights-sec2 restarted mysqld and that worked [06:15] Techrights-sec2 ok [06:15] Techrights-sec2 yes it looks like it, [06:15] Techrights-sec2 tmux is unavailable there until the OS move [06:15] schestowitz-TR restarting httpd [06:15] schestowitz-TR I just restarted both and it sorked [06:15] schestowitz-TR maybe we both tried that around the same time [06:17] Techrights-sec2 220627 5:15:22 [ERROR] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Table './drupal/cache_block' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [06:17] Techrights-sec2 hmm now that log file is gone [06:17] Techrights-sec2 yes [06:17] Techrights-sec2 can you run it from there, it'd not be good to run it twice concurrently [06:17] schestowitz-TR oh, well spooted [06:17] schestowitz-TR so we should run the repair script [06:17] schestowitz-TR yes, I will run it [06:37] Techrights-sec2 no I am not running the repair script [06:37] Techrights-sec2 what is the datestamp on the lockfile? [06:38] schestowitz-TR seems like there was a masssive backup file [06:38] schestowitz-TR confused by the db state [06:38] schestowitz-TR I've removed that [06:38] schestowitz-TR are you running the repair script? [06:38] schestowitz-TR it says there is a lockfile [06:38] schestowitz-TR maybe some old and stale lockfile [06:38] schestowitz-TR I am not sure [06:38] schestowitz-TR can you check? [06:38] schestowitz-TR you can enter via the hv [06:38] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines-old [06:38] schestowitz-TR the script is /home/boycottn/bin/ repair [06:40] Techrights-sec2 looking for the script .. [06:40] Techrights-sec2 I'm in via hv [06:40] Techrights-sec2 something is wrong/broken with 'less' [06:40] Techrights-sec2 checking [06:40] Techrights-sec2 I'll try running the script here, ok? [06:40] Techrights-sec2 something has become weird with flock [06:40] Techrights-sec2 I'll have to look into that later, for now running the script [06:40] Techrights-sec2 it is fixing / checking the tables [06:40] Techrights-sec2 it has finished running [06:40] Techrights-sec2 TM responds [06:40] Techrights-sec2 I'll have to look into the lockfile there, it may not run properly via HV [06:47] schestowitz-TR thanks, I've just taken a dump [06:47] schestowitz-TR and the size of the file seems [06:47] schestowitz-TR and regarding taking a dump, i was afk for a similar reason [06:47] schestowitz-TR health issue, will pass, cause not known [06:47] schestowitz-TR anyway, the DB dump seems correct and the site is back [06:47] schestowitz-TR thanks for the help [06:47] schestowitz-TR you can see such sites cannot just run themselves [06:47] schestowitz-TR editorial and sys admin alike [06:47] schestowitz-TR I keep reminding myself this is why many old "news" sites perish [06:47] schestowitz-TR there's not enough income for them to justify sys admin bills ● Jun 27 [07:20] Techrights-sec2 one of the better metaphors is that sites are like a garden [07:20] Techrights-sec2 needing constant minor maintenance or else things will rapidly spiral out [07:20] Techrights-sec2 of control [07:20] schestowitz-TR I watched the difficult move Constant Gardener [07:20] schestowitz-TR my mom watched it separately, also found it difficult [07:20] schestowitz-TR rianne is literally a constany gardener [07:20] schestowitz-TR sometimes more than once per week [07:20] schestowitz-TR I cut the gorass yesterday [07:20] schestowitz-TR but she carried on for another hour doing the more minor bits [07:20] schestowitz-TR no idea why it takes her so long or what she does exactly [07:20] schestowitz-TR my mom also [07:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:20] schestowitz-TR Women treat gardens differently [07:20] schestowitz-TR indoors, too [07:23] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:23] Techrights-sec2 "slow" news is unfortunately here to stay for the forseable future [07:24] schestowitz-TR I've converted or exchanged slow news cycled into more sleep lately [07:24] schestowitz-TR we should not take this for granted but do something, I think [07:24] schestowitz-TR patent news was 90%+ disinfo [07:24] schestowitz-TR and "open source" lost its meaning several years ago (openwashing BS) [07:24] schestowitz-TR not even with "Linux" it's hard to find enough for 30-50 nodes per day in TM [07:25] Techrights-sec2 yes anything about sw patents and, for the most part, patents in general [07:25] Techrights-sec2 via Google is disinformation and lies; there appears to be no penatly for [07:25] Techrights-sec2 lying publicly and loudly for any of the lawyers involved [07:25] Techrights-sec2 LF and OIN are part of the problem there, too [07:26] schestowitz-TR same companies, same people [07:26] schestowitz-TR new front, another "brand" [07:26] schestowitz-TR and bastian best saying dumb things like [07:26] schestowitz-TR it's either "patents" or "open source" [07:26] schestowitz-TR I don't need to bother expalining to him that he compares cars to cats [07:27] Techrights-sec2 yes it is the same group of companies and in some cases even the same people [07:28] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:30] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:32] schestowitz-TR yesterday I was upstairs assessing where to put my desk next when winter comes and I need to escape the cold area [07:32] schestowitz-TR but rianne and I both aren't sure yet about work cycles [07:32] schestowitz-TR we know we'll work though and it doesn't matter, except the setup of phones and arrangement of computers, acquarium [07:32] schestowitz-TR etc. [07:32] schestowitz-TR the more important bit is, how to edit the site (topics, sources) in light of what (I personally consider to be) seems [07:32] schestowitz-TR like a gradualy demise of the www [07:32] schestowitz-TR technically is is still there, but the "content" is being thrown away (gulagtube may be next; sotrage costs... like [07:32] schestowitz-TR google+ and joindiaspora... lots of "stale" content) [07:32] schestowitz-TR new articles aren't produced as much, either [07:33] Techrights-sec2 there will be more information later, no need to worry much about that yet [07:33] Techrights-sec2 I would think [07:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:37] schestowitz-TR even if we swallowed 5000 RSS feeds and filtered them for relevant material, there would still not be much [07:37] schestowitz-TR that's why Google News too seems to be struggling [07:37] schestowitz-TR GIGO issue, IMHO [07:37] schestowitz-TR the algorithms are not adapting [07:37] schestowitz-TR and if you go to front page (www) of news.google.com you will see it's like social control media [07:37] schestowitz-TR it does not ask you what you want [07:37] schestowitz-TR like twitter or gulagtube front page it's designed to provoke, it is curated [07:37] schestowitz-TR twitter funnels all the "engegement" to few accounts this way [07:37] schestowitz-TR and it give a false impression of size and importance [07:37] schestowitz-TR with only select few topics most people will discuss there [07:37] schestowitz-TR all the rest is "legacy" [07:38] schestowitz-TR barely maintained, can barely add new sources and instead allowingplagiarism like bollyinsider to stay [07:38] schestowitz-TR there for years [07:38] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:38] Techrights-sec2 what's really bad is when sites cull old articles and/or their comment sections [07:38] Techrights-sec2 provocation == engagement == clicks == farmable behavior [07:38] Techrights-sec2 there is a surprisingly large amount of automated plagiarism out there [07:40] schestowitz-TR this was sometimes used as reason/excuse for not having RSS feeds [07:40] schestowitz-TR they're perceoved as facilitators of easier copying of whole "content" [07:40] schestowitz-TR LinuxToday removed all the old comments afaik [07:40] schestowitz-TR with CMS changes [07:40] schestowitz-TR so it was a very lossy conversion [07:40] schestowitz-TR wayback machine may have those tens of thousands of comments [07:40] schestowitz-TR maybe 100,000 [07:40] schestowitz-TR sometimes in techrights we quoted some [07:40] schestowitz-TR for sure dead links now [07:40] schestowitz-TR on issues like Novell, Mono etc. [07:40] schestowitz-TR that was not even very long ago, maybe a decade [07:41] Techrights-sec2 not if one is selective about which RSS feeds to track [07:41] Techrights-sec2 yes many dead links even when pointing at sites which still exist [07:41] Techrights-sec2 it's like the sites go out of their way /not/ to use Apache2's redirection [07:41] Techrights-sec2 and URL rewriting capabilities [07:44] schestowitz-TR managers do not know what it means or how the web works [07:44] schestowitz-TR their metrics are not curation-oriented but business oriented [07:44] schestowitz-TR many business sites flush things out every x years and start all over again [07:44] schestowitz-TR and with unis taking their "business" people inhouse (I met one in an [07:44] schestowitz-TR interview) [07:44] schestowitz-TR we can expect that unis sites will mostly kill old "content" that [07:44] schestowitz-TR cannot bve "monetised" like homepages of profs [07:44] schestowitz-TR and instead have a more "professional" presentation [07:44] schestowitz-TR to sell enrollments [07:44] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:44] Techrights-sec2 yes there too [07:44] Techrights-sec2 especially as their role in scholarly communication is eliminated or marginalized [07:49] schestowitz-TR I have clear memories of things I saw that put me off academia [07:49] schestowitz-TR a) seeing my project mentor sitting there memorising her slides before lecture [07:49] schestowitz-TR b) piles of exams to mask [07:49] schestowitz-TR *mark [07:49] schestowitz-TR 3) phd supervisor telling me postdocs are not to work part time but only full time with expectation of [07:49] schestowitz-TR further work after 5pm (I'm told teachers in schools are expected the same for even lower pay) [07:49] schestowitz-TR d) veryvery low view counts or readership/circulation of published paper [07:49] schestowitz-TR e) arduous peer review process, months to publish a barely-read paper (see (D)) [07:49] schestowitz-TR f) expectation of you being a serf for IEEE and others, doing extnsive reviews [07:49] schestowitz-TR of other people'e work so that they can sell books (not the authors, the parasites... who [07:49] schestowitz-TR roward you by sending you a "dead tree" of your voice with a fictional "value" attached to it) [07:49] schestowitz-TR instead of paying you for your time with REAL money [07:49] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:49] Techrights-sec2 books are generally not counted towards career advancement in academia, not even [07:49] Techrights-sec2 important ones and chapters are not even indexed in many catalogs [07:50] schestowitz-TR books will barely be read or kept by people under 30 that I know [07:50] schestowitz-TR they don't have time [07:50] schestowitz-TR (not that they do better things with their time) [07:50] schestowitz-TR they lost the ability to read or never gained that ability to begin with [07:51] Techrights-sec2 most under 40 cannot actually read long form [07:51] Techrights-sec2 afaik [07:51] Techrights-sec2 they never learned the ability to actually read beyond short paragraphs for [07:51] Techrights-sec2 exams [07:53] schestowitz-TR the gilf book I go through while shaving is split into 1000 paragraphs, numbered, with photos on every second page [07:53] schestowitz-TR it's a format I never saw before [07:53] schestowitz-TR *golf [07:53] Techrights-sec2 strange format [07:55] schestowitz-TR it was almost a giveaway at m&s [07:55] schestowitz-TR down to (iirc) 1 pound instead of line 10+ times more [07:55] schestowitz-TR we also got soime recipe books this way [07:55] schestowitz-TR m&s discounts have terrible sucked the past 5 years or so [07:55] schestowitz-TR not even worth checkinng [07:55] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:56] schestowitz-TR but we saved thousands over the years by hoarding discounted items there, clothes, homeware etc. ● Jun 27 [08:05] schestowitz-TR I am thinking [08:05] schestowitz-TR a) we exhausted news sources for gnu/linux [08:05] schestowitz-TR b) TM is just about as active as it can get withouyt straying to other topics [08:05] schestowitz-TR c) suan used to do original articles like distro reviews [08:05] schestowitz-TR one option might be doing original articles about gnu/linux and cross-post these in TR and TM [08:05] schestowitz-TR but some people might oppose [08:05] schestowitz-TR I attempted this briefly around 2014 [08:05] schestowitz-TR [[d) the news won't suddenly "wake up" again... web stagnation means it'll only languih away further. cadence]] [08:05] schestowitz-TR the web is "done"... not it's Chrome Wide Something [08:05] schestowitz-TR and moving further towards consolidation around "frameworks" [08:05] schestowitz-TR with proprietary fonts and infinite scrolls [08:05] schestowitz-TR yesterday in IRC I mentioned that zdnet is not all infinite scroll [08:05] schestowitz-TR no pages [08:06] Techrights-sec2 yes I was about to mention the possibility but those are a lot of effort [08:06] Techrights-sec2 the hard part is getting original material, not just accurately but in a [08:06] Techrights-sec2 timely manner, [08:06] Techrights-sec2 no the news is quiet for a reason, only the superficial reason is money [08:06] Techrights-sec2 the money is about control [08:07] schestowitz-TR I think lack of funding is also due to lack of financial returns [08:07] schestowitz-TR a miscalculation [08:07] schestowitz-TR not PURE sabotage by the "venture capitalists" [08:09] Techrights-sec2 not just lack of financial returns but also the avoidance of inconvenient [08:09] Techrights-sec2 articles digging around on topics they'd rather leave undiscussed [08:11] schestowitz-TR (and the causes aside, the net outcome is, news is going away and gone away... lexology and mondaq wants us [08:11] schestowitz-TR to think copies of pages from law firm's web sites are substitutes for journalism) [08:11] schestowitz-TR publications like newspapers used to be self-funding, mostly classifieds and fake articles, so [08:11] schestowitz-TR the reliance on the state or VCs were not always there [08:12] Techrights-sec2 press releases and lies [08:15] schestowitz-TR spamnil is trying that [08:15] schestowitz-TR he gets money from LF, I think [08:15] schestowitz-TR muktware become spam.io [08:15] schestowitz-TR *became [08:15] schestowitz-TR same site, different domain names, shuffling names around like the problem was the name alone [08:15] schestowitz-TR muktware used toi get about 700 views per article [08:15] schestowitz-TR now it's like 20 per 'article' [08:15] schestowitz-TR no sane person goes there for news [08:15] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:15] schestowitz-TR those 20 are maybe googlebot and baidu [08:15] schestowitz-TR I'm going to think what to do next [08:15] schestowitz-TR I have spare time now, both in weekdays and weekends [08:15] schestowitz-TR due mostly to the lack of input from the Web AND Gemini [08:18] schestowitz-TR I tried thinking what to write in C, I still have those skills, but writing c programs for a very simple thing is pointless [08:18] schestowitz-TR and I cannot think of a progrsm worth investing in that does not exist already [08:19] schestowitz-TR iirc, quiterss is c++ [08:19] Techrights-sec2 scripting is more efficient in regards to the time put in versus the result [08:19] Techrights-sec2 C is very useful within specific domains, but you know that better than I [08:19] schestowitz-TR last release was 2020 [08:19] schestowitz-TR GPL, IIRC [08:19] schestowitz-TR GPLv3 [08:21] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:21] Techrights-sec2 scripting is more efficient in regards to the time put in versus the result [08:21] Techrights-sec2 C is very useful within specific domains, but you know that better than I [08:21] schestowitz-TR with c I'd have to recompile for new distros, archs (e.g. raspi) [08:21] schestowitz-TR like I said, by 2000 we probablt already had all vital programs as free software we can hack on [08:21] schestowitz-TR by 2010 already a lot of options [08:21] schestowitz-TR in 2022 you have like 20 gemini servers [08:21] schestowitz-TR and they tell us there is "talent shortage" [08:22] schestowitz-TR f**ers! [08:24] schestowitz-TR my fear re quiterss is that rss become the news nntp/newsgroups/usenet [08:24] schestowitz-TR and thus many rss readers are like the next KNode [08:24] schestowitz-TR not enough active users to justify further maintenance [08:24] schestowitz-TR and as a new verion or qt comes it means further rewrites [08:24] schestowitz-TR or removalk of past features as mean of shortcut so that the thing compiles and does [08:24] schestowitz-TR not crash [08:24] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:24] schestowitz-TR Lars left qt [08:24] schestowitz-TR that's not a good sign [08:24] schestowitz-TR and it doesn't seem like it's a big step up for him [08:24] schestowitz-TR some tiny company in oslo I think [08:28] schestowitz-TR some companies adapt and evolve, some do not [08:28] schestowitz-TR but not all companies can rely on government (tax graft) bailouts [08:28] schestowitz-TR or "subsidies" for some ulterior agenda [08:28] schestowitz-TR a lot of people like kaniini spent/wasted years of their lives developing gfor irc [08:28] schestowitz-TR and then for social control media (pleroma) [08:28] schestowitz-TR those things will end up like diaspora [08:28] schestowitz-TR a downwars head curve [08:28] schestowitz-TR and a lawsuit from bkuhnhehim against Trump [08:28] schestowitz-TR for press (marketing) coverage [08:28] schestowitz-TR that does lead some developers to depression, like cmdrtaci/rob malda [08:28] schestowitz-TR their work is "has been" [08:28] schestowitz-TR like a retired footballer [08:32] Techrights-sec2 bailouts have been an ongoing problem, especially since they have been so [08:32] Techrights-sec2 heavily misused to prop up profits for otherwise unprofitable industries [08:32] Techrights-sec2 such as banking and microsoft [08:32] Techrights-sec2 yes [08:32] Techrights-sec2 I recall him, and his site got destroyed quickly after he sold [08:32] Techrights-sec2 the software is still running but the community is gone (on purpose) [08:32] Techrights-sec2 and the content replaced with astroturf and spam [08:35] schestowitz-TR footballers are expected to retire around 35, already well pat their peak [08:35] schestowitz-TR in 5 years assange went from exposing the CIA to having stroke in solitary [08:35] schestowitz-TR PIA/Lee probably cannot pay back the debt, but I'm not in contact and cannot [08:35] schestowitz-TR assess the situation [08:35] schestowitz-TR this can have knock-on effect on the family (2 kids, iirc) [08:35] schestowitz-TR kim schmitz lost almost everything, except his life [08:35] schestowitz-TR and his twitter account (afaik) [08:35] schestowitz-TR (he's pro-Trump) [08:35] schestowitz-TR what you describe is the opposite of free market [08:35] schestowitz-TR but nepotism-based market interferences by the government [08:35] schestowitz-TR trying to impose failing things (Microsoft) and things that cause misery (mortgage pipeline) [08:35] schestowitz-TR on us, at our own expense if necessary [08:35] schestowitz-TR or telling a USian living in a tent with a mattrss that he or she needs to chip in [08:35] schestowitz-TR for 1.3 trillion dollar per year to "support the tr.... overseas occupation bases" [08:35] schestowitz-TR btw,m the report keeps misreporting pentagon/doid budget [08:35] schestowitz-TR what congress votes on is just a little more than half the total sum [08:35] schestowitz-TR funny how thge press has not mentioned "black budget" in the past 5 years or so [08:36] Techrights-sec2 yes that's accurate [08:36] Techrights-sec2 corporate welfare is the rule there [08:36] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:40] schestowitz-TR thanks, got git commit, got daily links [08:40] schestowitz-TR finishing my shift in 23 mins [08:40] schestowitz-TR rianne helped as usual [08:40] schestowitz-TR (fossforce dead for over a month now) [08:40] schestowitz-TR oh, I did not know liam proven had his own blog [08:40] schestowitz-TR I used his theregister rss feed [08:40] schestowitz-TR now I have two feeds for him [08:40] schestowitz-TR he has been around for many years, he's a good hire for the register [08:43] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:43] Techrights-sec2 great [08:45] schestowitz-TR hollywood does receive some subsidies, but I fail to recall the details of how that worked [08:45] schestowitz-TR netflix is a dliverty system of the hegemony propaganda machine [08:45] schestowitz-TR maybe they too can be "helped" by the taxpayers (read: more national debt) [08:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:51] schestowitz-TR re SN: [08:51] schestowitz-TR "Microsoft's complicated dance with..." [08:51] schestowitz-TR "Hitler's complicated dance with Jews" [08:51] schestowitz-TR "Putin's complicated dance with Kiev" [08:51] schestowitz-TR "China's complicated dance with Tibet..." [08:51] schestowitz-TR and the list goes on [08:51] schestowitz-TR for this one entry, F* SN [08:52] schestowitz-TR hopefully those are rare [08:54] Techrights-sec2 hollywood also has handlers, especially regarding the portrayal of the US [08:54] Techrights-sec2 military ● Jun 27 [09:00] Techrights-sec2 Esperessif just announced a dual band board, that'll be the first embedded system afaik with 5GHz support [09:00] Techrights-sec2 SN is still probably salvageable but be sure that the microsofters have [09:00] Techrights-sec2 been working against it since the beginning [09:00] Techrights-sec2 don't give them an inch [09:00] schestowitz-TR "Compulabs new IoT gateway provides support for two processor models, the C1800Q and the C1800QM." Compulab should shun criminals from Microsoft. Bad neighbourhood. https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ ) [09:01] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is trying to infiltrate from this angle too [09:01] schestowitz-TR I mentioned other examples a few hours ago [09:01] schestowitz-TR infiltration is their ownly chance at survival [09:09] Techrights-sec2 yes and their main tactic [09:09] Techrights-sec2 buying influence is done for small money [09:09] Techrights-sec2 and then you get cultist minions for free on occasion [09:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 27 [10:18] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:20] Techrights-sec2 probably have fixed the locking in the repair script [10:24] schestowitz-TR thanks, just done gym [10:24] schestowitz-TR lost about 2kg today [10:24] schestowitz-TR another kind of DB dump [10:24] schestowitz-TR not sure what caused it though, very strange, esp. given massive time gap between last meal [10:24] schestowitz-TR anyway, I'll aim to get down to 90kg (from 95) [10:24] schestowitz-TR I still don't know how to deal with low RSS feeds volume/yield [10:24] schestowitz-TR I thought about it, tuxmachines should stay as it is [10:24] schestowitz-TR but we cannot make articles of reevance pop up out of thin air [10:24] schestowitz-TR yesterday I filters "assange" in those 32,000+ general feeds as it is indirectly relevant [10:25] schestowitz-TR s/n ratio better than it was in gulag noise [10:25] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:25] Techrights-sec2 RSS is still a slog to get through though it helps to focus on different [10:25] Techrights-sec2 sections on different days [10:31] schestowitz-TR just fyi: the opml feeds you sent, I never check them up to more than 2 days ago [10:31] schestowitz-TR to avoid collusion [10:31] schestowitz-TR so I'm always 2-3 days "behind" [10:31] schestowitz-TR rianne and I "take turns" in TM to avoid posting dupes by mistake [10:31] schestowitz-TR when quiterss crapped its own DB I lost about 5-10 rss feeds that are hard to find [10:31] schestowitz-TR but iirc those were mostly for howtos [10:32] Techrights-sec2 frequent backups are needed with QuiteRSS, especially after adding hard-to-fond [10:32] Techrights-sec2 ^hard-to-find [10:32] Techrights-sec2 feeds; been there, done that [10:33] schestowitz-TR *collision [10:33] schestowitz-TR happened to rianne before [10:33] schestowitz-TR it can happen after unclean exits [10:33] schestowitz-TR for me it was the first time (this catastrophic) [10:35] Techrights-sec2 I've hardly scripted at all for a long time, I should try to gather motivation [10:35] Techrights-sec2 to try writing an RSS reader [10:35] Techrights-sec2 few such sites even have RSS feeds [10:35] Techrights-sec2 it's mostly individual bloggers [10:39] schestowitz-TR I think we might be surprised by how few people use rss feeds of msm sites [10:39] schestowitz-TR compared to high-profile bloggers like kottke [10:39] schestowitz-TR what I fancy a LOT about reading from kate is that I'd see names like Justice Jackson [10:39] schestowitz-TR like hundreds of times [10:39] schestowitz-TR post about it [10:39] schestowitz-TR but I still don't know what she looks like [10:39] schestowitz-TR if I saw a photo, I'd not recognise her [10:39] schestowitz-TR but it's like books, let the imagination work [10:39] schestowitz-TR I found that photos can distract from substance of stories anyway [10:39] schestowitz-TR to explain something or write about something you don't need to memorise faces [10:39] schestowitz-TR as much as names and details (who they are, what they did) [10:39] schestowitz-TR so this "worth a thousand words" thing might be waste of storage [10:39] schestowitz-TR mental storage [10:39] schestowitz-TR I literally read the general news in kate, and then post or "register" a link to that [10:41] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:41] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:41] Techrights-sec2 if they are grouped, then the groups can be examined and that saves time [10:41] Techrights-sec2 then if it turns out that there are some with lots of posts [10:41] Techrights-sec2 they can be checked in more detail [10:42] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:43] schestowitz-TR the feeds are so sparse right now that it is insanly inefficient to go through them [10:43] schestowitz-TR letting them build up makes clustering easier [10:43] schestowitz-TR I'm taking a littlew timeout from them [10:43] schestowitz-TR there used to be thousands of things to wade through and cherry-pick from [10:43] schestowitz-TR now I double- and -triple- check the iterms just to be 100% sure I did not miss or skip anything [10:43] schestowitz-TR one thing thunderbird always sorely lacked, even with all the extension, is good aggregation [10:44] schestowitz-TR wherein you see all the items from all sources in one place [10:44] schestowitz-TR pref. with some indicator like site favicon [10:44] schestowitz-TR even rssowl had that when I ised that about 18 years ago [10:44] schestowitz-TR it's a very basic feature [10:44] schestowitz-TR it's also important when grouping related things and removing dupes [10:44] schestowitz-TR thunderbird did have a dupe remover [10:44] schestowitz-TR of course it's no longer compatible and they ruined the software as RSS reader [10:44] schestowitz-TR now they go for "apps" [10:44] schestowitz-TR which, as doctorow put it some days ago, is like software but a lot worse [10:44] Techrights-sec2 no. RSS is not part of e-mail. Thunderbird already has too many irrelevant [10:44] Techrights-sec2 and inappropriate gimmicks [10:44] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:47] schestowitz-TR I cnanot even remember when exactly or why I mobed to thunderbird for my feeds [10:47] schestowitz-TR rssowl was a java application and wasn't that great [10:47] schestowitz-TR ben pasero stopped developing it at some point [10:47] schestowitz-TR I tried feedlounge before google reader was launched to kill it [10:47] schestowitz-TR I was a beta tester [10:47] schestowitz-TR they could not compete with free (gulag)... and it did not last long [10:47] schestowitz-TR gulag abandons things when they show no propsect of "monetisation" [10:47] schestowitz-TR gulag reader threatened their other service, a cash cow associated with advertising [10:47] schestowitz-TR gruber is still posting spam inside his RSS feed [10:47] schestowitz-TR I thought people had dtopped trying that crap like over a decade ago [10:55] schestowitz-TR ack [10:55] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 27 [11:03] schestowitz-TR I've just recovered from memory one rss feed I lost in the DB crash [11:03] schestowitz-TR but it only posted one iterm (howto) this monthj [11:03] schestowitz-TR after a busy month last month (>10) [11:03] schestowitz-TR sometimes you catch and latch onto those site when they are on the high and become visible/promionent [11:03] schestowitz-TR and then when you're there they lose momentum, slow down, even stop or go offline [11:03] schestowitz-TR linuxhint has not posted much lately [11:03] schestowitz-TR they used to be prolific [11:03] schestowitz-TR they did some experiment with microsoft spam [11:03] schestowitz-TR then with amazon catalogues disguised as "articles" [11:03] schestowitz-TR tomshardware discussed in the main channel atm [11:03] schestowitz-TR I've looked at it more closely [11:03] schestowitz-TR without filter [11:03] schestowitz-TR it's full of spam [11:03] schestowitz-TR "best of" [11:03] schestowitz-TR "deals" [11:03] schestowitz-TR wtf??? [11:03] schestowitz-TR they do cover raspi a lot though [11:07] Techrights-sec2 that probably reduced their audience noticeably [11:07] Techrights-sec2 for the time being the cover raspberry pis a lot but that's a low hanging [11:07] Techrights-sec2 fruit, no pun intended; theyre still super popular despite being almost [11:07] Techrights-sec2 impossible to acquire any more [11:07] Techrights-sec2 however the lack of availability is gradually starting to take its toll and [11:07] Techrights-sec2 soon, if they are not able to get the supply chain moving, interest and [11:07] Techrights-sec2 momentum will dry up quite suddenly [11:07] Techrights-sec2 one of the reasons for the popularity was that not only were they cheap [11:07] Techrights-sec2 but you could get one very quickly and very easily [11:08] schestowitz-TR builders of $40,000 automobil will be willing to pay more for the same components [11:08] schestowitz-TR so there's that factor, too [11:08] schestowitz-TR but you could no longer buy one with cash, at least not in the official cambridge store [11:08] schestowitz-TR I doubt they sell them off the shelf at any of the "normal" stores here [11:08] schestowitz-TR so anonymous buys would be second-hand market [11:09] Techrights-sec2 not just the lack of cash purchase but they are mostly out of stock /everywhere/ [11:09] Techrights-sec2 regardless of payment method [11:09] Techrights-sec2 so scalpers are sniping the online shops with bots and then selling for [11:09] Techrights-sec2 most unreasonable prices and, as a side effect, damaging the reputation [11:09] Techrights-sec2 of the RPi [11:11] schestowitz-TR it isa good thing rianne and I netted not one but two of them [11:11] schestowitz-TR hers become a vpn and noc machine with 4 browser windows and a 28-inch scren [11:11] Techrights-sec2 yes [11:13] Techrights-sec2 the RPi4 can actually drive two displays quite well [11:13] Techrights-sec2 or have fewer computer running [11:13] schestowitz-TR yes, we do not have more monitors than display ports [11:13] schestowitz-TR we could drive at last 4 more monitors [11:13] schestowitz-TR but tbh it's where the energy price/cost paid exceeds any real benefit [11:15] Techrights-sec2 more time for exercise then [11:16] schestowitz-TR I gave rianne of of "mine" ("iza") becaause she could make more use of it than me [11:16] schestowitz-TR it keeps changing depending on what needs doing [11:16] schestowitz-TR like I said, I have a lot more time lately [11:16] schestowitz-TR but no solace [11:16] schestowitz-TR as the old routinely depend on the web working [11:16] schestowitz-TR I even slept more... again [11:16] schestowitz-TR cleaned the feeds, then lacked the motivation/drive to get back [11:16] schestowitz-TR epo quiet so far today [11:19] schestowitz-TR if you check the gulag maps (soundsfunny, that's a plus!), you'll see wen're not near busy roads [11:19] schestowitz-TR the door is wide open next to me [11:19] schestowitz-TR the hum is quiet and distant [11:19] schestowitz-TR sometimes at night it's down to 0db [11:19] schestowitz-TR which is sort of amazing [11:20] Techrights-sec2 nice [11:20] Techrights-sec2 excellent [11:26] schestowitz-TR we need a strategy on android [11:26] schestowitz-TR it's bigger than windows in some ways [11:26] schestowitz-TR reminding people with the "spy in the pocket" does [11:26] schestowitz-TR is not enough [11:26] schestowitz-TR rianne still posts android leftovers because technically it is linus [11:26] schestowitz-TR linux [11:26] schestowitz-TR just like Microsoft "green" datacentres and "vaccine apps" are "linux" [11:27] Techrights-sec2 ok [11:27] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:27] Techrights-sec2 only in name, though [11:28] schestowitz-TR fsf almost never criticises google [11:28] schestowitz-TR and money has something to do with this on two levels [11:28] schestowitz-TR 1) money gulag gives fsf (and fsfe etc.) [11:28] schestowitz-TR 2) the false perception among other recipient of gulag grants that gulag in "your friend" [11:28] schestowitz-TR the (2) part relates to the first. FSF would risk alienating some FS people who are receiving some slush funds [11:29] schestowitz-TR from the "big g" [11:29] schestowitz-TR so they keep mostly passive [11:29] schestowitz-TR no matter if FS issues are both applicable and urgent [11:53] Techrights-sec2 money corrupts [11:53] Techrights-sec2 EFF has been gutted too [11:53] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:54] schestowitz-TR they still pay a salary to keep doctorow going [11:54] schestowitz-TR his wife works foir billbc iirc [11:54] schestowitz-TR and they lay off a lot [11:54] schestowitz-TR I cannot recall if he has kids [11:54] schestowitz-TR if he does, he barely mentions them [11:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:54] Techrights-sec2 between the two they were the two most prominent advocates for software freedom [11:54] Techrights-sec2 doctorow is important, it's too bad he is outnumbered there; he should [11:54] Techrights-sec2 instead be surrounded by peers, like he would have been under the old EFF [11:56] schestowitz-TR lol [11:56] schestowitz-TR in eff doctorow is "extremists" [11:56] schestowitz-TR in fsf fms is "extremist" [11:56] schestowitz-TR *rms [11:56] schestowitz-TR this is how political parties work [11:56] schestowitz-TR drift to the centre in (d) and shift to nazism in (r) [11:56] schestowitz-TR then they will say liz cheney is some sort of "leftist" [11:56] schestowitz-TR cheney... left [11:56] schestowitz-TR "commie" [11:56] schestowitz-TR or "antifa" [11:56] schestowitz-TR that's how they put it when facing a challenge [11:56] schestowitz-TR yes [11:56] schestowitz-TR s/center/far right/ [11:56] schestowitz-TR ack [11:56] Techrights-sec2 yes [11:56] Techrights-sec2 s/center/far right/ [11:56] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 27 [12:06] schestowitz-TR I post a few links in TM and will have more batches, in between I still think about how to change strategies [12:06] schestowitz-TR given that all 3 of us struggle to scrape much off of the rss pool [12:06] schestowitz-TR despite the pool itself growing or the net cast further and wider [12:07] Techrights-sec2 yes [12:13] Techrights-sec2 the stances that RMS and Corey Doctorow take in their respective organizations [12:13] Techrights-sec2 are not extreme but as the institutions get corrupted and people replaced [12:13] Techrights-sec2 problems arrise to attack both. Look at old, pre-sale Wired articles. They'd [12:13] Techrights-sec2 be banned from most sites these days if they were published as new [12:14] schestowitz-TR it is infeasible for me to write gnu/linux articles at a pace that can compensate for loss of material in TM [12:14] schestowitz-TR and it would likely change what the site stands for [12:14] schestowitz-TR so that's not a good option [12:14] schestowitz-TR re rms and cd, they're different [12:14] schestowitz-TR both talk about tech and politics [12:14] schestowitz-TR but they have different styles [12:16] Techrights-sec2 yes different styles but remain close to the original goals, RMS of course [12:16] Techrights-sec2 becaue he /founded/ the movement [12:16] Techrights-sec2 Doctorow is quite articulate [12:19] schestowitz-TR he is sympathetic to us [12:19] schestowitz-TR both him and rms [12:19] schestowitz-TR but we have another style and points we focus on [12:19] schestowitz-TR doctorow mde a big name in the past decade for the area of drm, then monopolies [12:19] schestowitz-TR like lessig did cc and then bribery in politics [12:19] schestowitz-TR for us it's still patents [12:19] schestowitz-TR rms is barely even writing anything except his "tweets" in his personal site [12:19] schestowitz-TR fsf would, at best, link to a new article of his at gnu.org [12:19] schestowitz-TR now they have anew dutch femme public face [12:19] schestowitz-TR (who did not really say anything since becoming ED) [12:20] Techrights-sec2 yes of course [12:22] schestowitz-TR rms and lt are mascots now [12:22] schestowitz-TR they are allowed a space in the web site [12:22] schestowitz-TR sometimes a littl slot in the events [12:22] schestowitz-TR sometimes [12:22] schestowitz-TR no media interview [12:22] Techrights-sec2 sadly so [12:22] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:22] schestowitz-TR (when did RMS last do a media interview? wondered why???) [12:22] schestowitz-TR rms is like a boy who, "i need to ask mam for permission" [12:22] schestowitz-TR all I asked him, can we do a quick q and a [12:22] schestowitz-TR then he says yes [12:22] schestowitz-TR then silence [12:22] schestowitz-TR then apology [12:23] schestowitz-TR in religions they use "sin" [12:23] schestowitz-TR not limited to christianity [12:23] schestowitz-TR in orgs they use guilt [12:23] schestowitz-TR they just need to cause embarassment [12:23] schestowitz-TR and the shock effect leads to "ok, ok, i'll keep a lower profile from now on" (back seat) [12:23] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:23] Techrights-sec2 MIT really hurt him (intetionally) by thowing him under the bus to protect [12:23] Techrights-sec2 bill gates, it did not help that he had just been in Redmond for abuse [12:26] schestowitz-TR we reprinted his article that explained his reasons [12:26] schestowitz-TR it was not an idea that came from him but "sayta" [12:26] schestowitz-TR maybe via some associate of rms at fsf [12:26] schestowitz-TR anyway, at least they had no "dick scandal" about rms [12:26] schestowitz-TR all they found was some ol' toe cheese and some dumb "tweet" inspired by a dutch gnu coder [12:26] schestowitz-TR who had a sick mind [12:26] schestowitz-TR kipman must have done something a lot worse [12:26] schestowitz-TR but not as bad as billg [12:26] schestowitz-TR thoough he diesn't have his kind of money and connections [12:26] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:28] schestowitz-TR I keep thinking what in theory people can "dish" at me [12:28] schestowitz-TR I think there's not much [12:28] schestowitz-TR I have idea but can rebut on the spot firmly [12:28] schestowitz-TR the "by association" smears are low blos [12:28] schestowitz-TR like saying my dad's cousins are rich or something [12:28] schestowitz-TR or using "mark fink" as a way of holding me accountable [12:28] schestowitz-TR because I responded to an email he sent me once [12:28] schestowitz-TR likely some pseudonyms [12:29] Techrights-sec2 Don't worry, they're not in the least concerned about sticking to facts [12:29] Techrights-sec2 or going to allow facts on the table [12:29] Techrights-sec2 Look at RMS, he was taken down by a cascade of lies each one more outrageous [12:29] Techrights-sec2 and more detached from reality than the previous [12:30] schestowitz-TR they make up for it by "details" [12:30] schestowitz-TR "ok, he's not x, but he stared at me... looked at me funny" [12:30] schestowitz-TR rowan atkinson did a show about the cop who arrests people for the most "ludicrous reasons" [12:30] schestowitz-TR getting link [12:30] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU [12:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - Invidious [12:35] Techrights-sec2 yes, seen that Atkinson speech [12:35] Techrights-sec2 Hmm. I heard that he was a philatelist and that his "wife" was a thespian [12:37] schestowitz-TR thespian? [12:37] schestowitz-TR ah, ok [12:37] schestowitz-TR I had to check wikipedia [12:41] schestowitz-TR collecting many things from the past is trendy when one's past is a lot more glorious than present times [12:41] schestowitz-TR or emulating long-forgotten behavious life afternoon tea, golf, horse-riding etc. [12:41] schestowitz-TR that's why many still tolerate the "monarchy" [12:41] schestowitz-TR a fake mnemonic for The Empire [12:41] schestowitz-TR Mac Asay's article [12:41] schestowitz-TR he allowed Microsoft to enter OSI [12:41] schestowitz-TR Groklaw blasted humself for it [12:41] schestowitz-TR he had aplso applied for a job at Microsoft [12:41] schestowitz-TR SN had bad smell test or uncaring (about SN) elements [12:42] Techrights-sec2 they could do better about vetting the staff [12:42] Techrights-sec2 however the community is still mostly ok for the time being except for the [12:42] Techrights-sec2 shills paid to stir things up and impair discussions [12:45] schestowitz-TR the latter group you mention puts off and distracts from (at best) the former [12:45] schestowitz-TR until the former cease to exist [12:45] schestowitz-TR and then it's the point of no turnaround [12:45] schestowitz-TR in irc our "nazi" lad is now called "hollander" a [12:45] schestowitz-TR and pretend to be dutch lady [12:45] schestowitz-TR mjg also picked on this [12:45] schestowitz-TR and makde fun, collectively, using conspiracy theorists about the dutch plane (or was it asian plane with dutch in it?) [12:45] schestowitz-TR falling in ukraine [12:46] schestowitz-TR microsoft's jo shield picked on some comment in techrights that said microsofters need the "gas chamber" and attributed this to the site [12:46] schestowitz-TR saying that it represented the view of that [12:46] schestowitz-TR site [12:46] schestowitz-TR and this articlee was then in linux today [12:46] schestowitz-TR and I communicated with brian (now in redhat/icbm) that this was false [12:46] schestowitz-TR shields worked on attacking both ubuntu and debian with mono back then [12:46] schestowitz-TR of course he joined his true masters eventually [12:47] Techrights-sec2 unless people become aware of the shills and their methods and counteract them [12:47] Techrights-sec2 :/ [12:47] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:47] Techrights-sec2 shields was / is a shill and like other M$ minions will cherry pick and [12:47] Techrights-sec2 misrepresent as much as they are able to [12:47] Techrights-sec2 shields hurt ubuntu very badly and the managment of Ubuntu / Canonical [12:47] Techrights-sec2 did not acknowledge his role in the harm [12:49] schestowitz-TR as if today's canonical views Microsoft as a rival LOL [12:49] schestowitz-TR see all the azur, WSL etc.s hilling [12:49] schestowitz-TR the other day I saw a video asking if anonical is evil [12:49] schestowitz-TR it was of awful quality [12:49] schestowitz-TR I mentioned it in irc, in passing [12:49] schestowitz-TR it was a new video [12:50] schestowitz-TR many users voted with their feet and moved to another distro [12:50] schestowitz-TR which is like freenode spilling out many users to opher networks [12:50] schestowitz-TR sadly mostly 2 networks [12:50] schestowitz-TR bohth controlled by ther same people who controlled freenode (original, not leenode) [12:50] Techrights-sec2 correctr, they actively encouraged subversion and infiltration by their [12:50] Techrights-sec2 nastiest (only) competitor [12:50] Techrights-sec2 most to Linux Mint but that is only an Ubuntu derivative not yet [12:50] Techrights-sec2 directly from Debian or Devuan [12:50] Techrights-sec2 :( [12:52] schestowitz-TR I installed LMDE on this machine [12:52] schestowitz-TR a [12:52] schestowitz-TR very fine distro [12:52] schestowitz-TR they are increasingly treating it as near equal [12:52] schestowitz-TR it is their lifeboat [12:52] schestowitz-TR debian with nicer initial settings etc. [12:52] schestowitz-TR don't know if debian can recover [12:52] schestowitz-TR but then again it has not been so stellar for many years already [12:52] schestowitz-TR but still generally works, based on experiences of rianne and mine... [12:52] schestowitz-TR not perfect, but solid [12:58] schestowitz-TR just discussed editorial sie of tuxmachines with rianne [12:58] schestowitz-TR she keeps saying "we're not obliged as we don't take money from poeople" [12:58] schestowitz-TR in refrerence to scenario where we cannot find "enough" links [12:58] schestowitz-TR posting original content there can alienate some pople [12:58] schestowitz-TR "I don't agree with that site" is not applicable when it just links to other sites [12:58] schestowitz-TR TR can take the punches ● Jun 27 [13:02] schestowitz-TR I've just manged to get myself to read the whole SN post [13:02] schestowitz-TR that just makes SN look bad [13:02] schestowitz-TR I don't know how it's managed, but I saw some IRC logs of disputes [13:02] schestowitz-TR even if it's a reader's submission [13:02] schestowitz-TR the editors call the final shot [13:02] schestowitz-TR and this is in bad taste [13:04] Techrights-sec2 :( [13:04] Techrights-sec2 the editor who posted it is quite new and as mentioned, no idea about the [13:04] Techrights-sec2 vetting process if any [13:05] psydruid a Dutch lady wouldn't call herself "Hollander" but rather "Nederlandse", in contrast with "Nederlander" for a Dutch male [13:05] schestowitz-TR right [13:05] schestowitz-TR wwe should live in a world or world wide web where the extremists anf those running aflouf of a CoC [13:05] schestowitz-TR are coporate shills like these [13:05] schestowitz-TR not those who confront them over corporate shilling [13:06] schestowitz-TR but money can set the narrative if we're not careful [13:06] schestowitz-TR relections are not auctions [13:06] schestowitz-TR *elections [13:06] schestowitz-TR but in OSI they are [13:06] schestowitz-TR we recently covered that in a long video [13:06] schestowitz-TR and that's how people like Mac Asay, a fucking lawyer who cannot code, ended up inside OSI's door [13:06] schestowitz-TR opening the door behind him to Ramji or Bill Hilf [13:06] schestowitz-TR this is like irc freenode all over again, where staff likely means volunteer and thus there's hardly [13:06] schestowitz-TR room for selection and ejectiuon [13:06] schestowitz-TR any jane or john can set a foot [13:06] schestowitz-TR with intention to gain some OTHER way [13:06] schestowitz-TR like the censors of freenode [13:06] schestowitz-TR who got to decide what views are permissible [13:06] schestowitz-TR with activelow we just taunt him a little [13:06] schestowitz-TR and I keep reminding him techpol exists for a reason [13:06] schestowitz-TR psydruid: ^ context https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/26/0032216#1256491 [13:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Microsoft's Complicated Dance With Open Source - SoylentNews [13:06] psydruid Holland is just these two provinces in the west where Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague lie [13:06] schestowitz-TR yes, I read about the differences a few years ago [13:06] schestowitz-TR because in some languages it's just "holland" [13:08] Techrights-sec2 yep [13:08] psydruid Historically they were the important parts when it comes to trade in the East India Company [13:08] schestowitz-TR and slaves? [13:09] psydruid that too of course [13:09] psydruid slave trade [13:11] schestowitz-TR a dutch red hat employee once told me the dutch were "market leaders" in slavery [13:13] psydruid they must have done really well for someone like me having indentured labourers as ancestors to end up first in South America and then here in Europe [13:15] schestowitz-TR they have come to grips with reality [13:15] schestowitz-TR they are not mentally superior [13:16] schestowitz-TR and not financially advantaged due to "superior genetics" [13:16] schestowitz-TR moments ago I linked in tuxmachines to new about okular adding moe features [13:16] schestowitz-TR developed by an indian coder obviously [13:17] schestowitz-TR the wage disparity is still an issue [13:17] schestowitz-TR the racists don't like to talk about it [13:17] schestowitz-TR they are used to riding the surplus of other people's productive work [13:19] Techrights-sec2 best to try to keep him and DFC reined in [13:19] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [13:20] schestowitz-TR yes, the other channels helped in that regard, the s/n ratio in #techrights is important [13:20] schestowitz-TR as this is how many choose to see the site when they dig for dirt [13:20] schestowitz-TR it was done to wikileaks [13:20] schestowitz-TR several times over the yeards [13:21] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:33] Techrights-sec2 best to try to keep him and DFC reined in [13:33] Techrights-sec2 1;3A [13:33] Techrights-sec2 yes a separate section for Gemini + Gopher might be good, or maybe just [13:33] Techrights-sec2 Gemini only [13:33] schestowitz-TR rather weird thought: [13:33] schestowitz-TR should we make a new top-level section in Daily Links for Gemini and Gopher? [13:33] schestowitz-TR so that there is no cross-breeding? [13:33] schestowitz-TR I find more and more such links over time [13:33] schestowitz-TR for some people it's hard to understandd what it is [13:33] schestowitz-TR so on top of a new (fourth) top level block we can add a link explainign what it is and how to access the links [13:34] Techrights-sec2 yes a separate section for Gemini + Gopher might be good, or maybe just [13:34] Techrights-sec2 Gemini only [13:38] schestowitz-TR the only thing worse than leaving PARCELS in the garbage is making the service so garbage that it [13:38] schestowitz-TR does not even deliver [13:38] schestowitz-TR it only collects from senders [13:38] schestowitz-TR maybe then shuffles around the iterm between 'deliverty' warehouses [13:38] schestowitz-TR that no longer deliver [13:38] schestowitz-TR a) go buy at store; if you don't like it, return and get money back at the spot, given anonymous receipt [13:38] schestowitz-TR b) go pay for Internet connection (expensive in some places), buy things you cannot see [13:38] schestowitz-TR c) get items in the garbage can [13:38] schestowitz-TR d) pay for things online (b), but you need to collect like in (a) without any of the benefits [13:38] schestowitz-TR 1) anonymity [13:38] schestowitz-TR 2) retruns [13:38] schestowitz-TR you are now at ->>>>> d [13:38] schestowitz-TR soon we'll get some new covid numbers [13:38] schestowitz-TR I'll work on making a new gemini section in the template in git ● Jun 27 [14:14] schestowitz-TR I've just pushed changes to template in git [14:14] schestowitz-TR as it says in the commit log, maybe I got some minor thing wrong, like validation, so might have another commit soon ● Jun 27 [15:34] schestowitz-TR daft [15:34] schestowitz-TR draft [15:34] schestowitz-TR i'm going to record re epo shortly [15:34] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:34] Techrights-sec2 checking [15:34] Techrights-sec2 regarding that draft "meme", you might link to the TR survey done a few years [15:34] Techrights-sec2 ago that demostrated the bloat in the WWW [15:36] schestowitz-TR I cannot recall how to find it, can you? [15:36] Techrights-sec2 it's there somewhere was it 2019 or 2020? [15:36] Techrights-sec2 there were scripts and all [15:37] schestowitz-TR i cannot recall that post, that's why I'm asking [15:37] schestowitz-TR I know we did a count of diversity of sources we link to and graph [15:38] Techrights-sec2 sometime in 2019, towards the tail end of the year IIRC [15:38] Techrights-sec2 there is no search function in WP [15:45] schestowitz-TR added [15:45] schestowitz-TR published [15:45] schestowitz-TR ota ● Jun 27 [17:05] schestowitz-TR Todays COVID-19 Numbers in England: Deaths Up, Hospitalisations Up Sharly, New Cases at Over 100,000 Per Week https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/27/covid-19-surge-almost-july/ [17:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Todays COVID-19 Numbers in England: Deaths Up, Hospitalisations Up Sharly, New Cases at Over 100,000 Per Week [17:05] schestowitz-TR draft [17:20] Techrights-sec2 back [17:20] Techrights-sec2 s/llmit/limit/ [17:20] schestowitz-TR thanks, amending second (final) read now [17:20] schestowitz-TR notice the criminalityu [17:20] schestowitz-TR the banality of crime [17:23] Techrights-sec2 the link from "as usual" could be moved forward under "Campinos is basically bribing the voters with jobs" instead, since the latter is already bold and [17:23] Techrights-sec2 is semantically what the URL leads to it would be a more appropriate anchor [17:23] Techrights-sec2 yes [17:28] schestowitz-TR sure, anchor text gets that associated accordingly in "search" ngixssssss ;-) [17:28] schestowitz-TR wait, I cannot before href and bold are not compatible [17:28] schestowitz-TR oh, wait , there is a trick [17:28] Techrights-sec2 href is a kind of bold, I would say [17:28] Techrights-sec2 thanks [17:35] schestowitz-TR sure, anchor text gets that associated accordingly in "search" ngixssssss ;-) [17:35] schestowitz-TR wait, I cannot before href and bold are not compatible [17:35] schestowitz-TR oh, wait , there is a trick [17:35] schestowitz-TR tonight I will publish the first Daily Links with gemini section [17:35] schestowitz-TR I did some testing of the parsing, I hope it'll work consistently [17:35] schestowitz-TR I also did a quick blog post about this [17:35] schestowitz-TR gemini is not going away [17:35] schestowitz-TR it needs more cross-capsule linking [17:37] schestowitz-TR "It has now been ten days since I first showed symptoms of COVID-19, and I've been cleared by a doctor to end my quarantine." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202206/20220627-2022-week-24-25-thoughts-and-photos.gmi [17:38] schestowitz-TR sad that I trust these anecdotes more than I trust gates-bribes BBC and Guardian [17:38] schestowitz-TR but that's where we are [17:38] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:38] Techrights-sec2 yes [17:42] schestowitz-TR rianne is out looking for food with reasonable price [17:42] schestowitz-TR when i first heard "independent networking" I though communutes that sell frut and veg and barten [17:42] schestowitz-TR barter privately with one another [17:42] schestowitz-TR those too get slapped with stereotypes [17:42] schestowitz-TR because they work "outside" "the economy" [17:42] schestowitz-TR tax is not enough to demonise them [17:46] schestowitz-TR They call it "dark Web" while at the same time telling us "blacklist" is offensive and sounds racist. [17:46] schestowitz-TR Corporate media and billionaires: only us can used terms with racist and negative connotation. Also: we buy all the major media/sites, so the Web won't talk about this double standard... [17:46] schestowitz-TR Dilution and Misuse of the "Linux" Brand Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166543 [17:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Dilution and Misuse of the "Linux" Brand | Tux Machines [17:57] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 27 [18:17] schestowitz-TR activelow back with a second nym for today [18:17] schestowitz-TR "mole" [18:17] schestowitz-TR troll-like behaviour [18:17] schestowitz-TR he does not even ban-evade [18:17] schestowitz-TR but many people ignore him [18:17] schestowitz-TR some might even /mute him [18:17] schestowitz-TR I know 'dfc' is muted by some [18:42] *schestowitz_TR is now known as Schestowitz-3 ● Jun 27 [19:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@sjrrmh2sjn6mi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:16] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 27 [22:23] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)