●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 ●● ● Sep 27 [00:06] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:06] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 27 [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 27 [02:54] schestowitz-TR the recipes capsule is offline ● Sep 27 [03:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:18] schestowitz-TR 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/ [03:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) [03:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 27 [08:02] Techrights-sec [topic] m$ is still milking the log4j vuln for political gain: [08:02] Techrights-sec https://www.scmagazine.com/editorial/brief/critical-infrastructure/bipartisan-open-source-security-legislation-introduced-in-senate [08:02] Techrights-sec https://therecord.media/log4j-senators-introduce-bill-centered-on-cisa-open-source-security-efforts/ [08:02] Techrights-sec The FSF, EFF, and OSI (in their old incarnations) need to be in proactive [08:02] Techrights-sec contact with the OMB immediately. [08:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.scmagazine.com | Bipartisan open source security legislation introduced in Senate | SC Media [08:02] Techrights-sec https://therecord.media/dhs-undersecretary-log4j-problem-is-not-over-may-take-a-decade-or-longer/ [08:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-therecord.media | Log4j: Senators introduce bill centered on CISA open source security efforts - The Record by Recorded Future [08:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-therecord.media | DHS undersecretary: Log4j problem is not over, may take a decade or longer - The Record by Recorded Future [08:02] Techrights-sec S.4913 - Securing Open Source Software Act of 2022 [08:02] Techrights-sec https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4913/text [08:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Text - S.4913 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Securing Open Source Software Act of 2022 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress [08:08] schestowitz-TR thanks, I thought about doing a video about this topic but then forgot, I will adds a few more refrs to that ● Sep 27 [09:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:26] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:29] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fs5szwspnkxvq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 27 [10:23] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 27 [12:06] Techrights-sec Havinga list helps, even if it's on a used scrap of paper. [12:07] schestowitz-TR i got some more references to use later [12:07] schestowitz-TR it would help to have more topics to cover in one fell swoop (i have two) [12:08] Techrights-sec https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-2023-lets-chart-the-course-together-submit-your-session-by-november-2 [12:08] Techrights-sec software patents ought to be addressed then [12:08] Techrights-sec It's partially online so speakers could be from anywhere. [12:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | LibrePlanet 2023: Let's chart the course together! Submit your session by November 2 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [12:09] schestowitz-TR i don't want to give a talk there [12:09] schestowitz-TR it would have to be self-censored heavily [12:09] schestowitz-TR and I'd rather use my own platform [12:10] Techrights-sec Today is the 39th anniversary of the launch of GNU. I would say an important [12:10] Techrights-sec topic would be to get institutions onboard for a proper recognition of the [12:10] Techrights-sec 40th anniversary next year. [12:10] Techrights-sec ^ topic [12:10] Techrights-sec Right but you probably correspond with people who would / could do so. [12:10] Techrights-sec yes, however others you correspond with might be appropriate [12:12] schestowitz-TR hypothetical scenrio [12:12] schestowitz-TR they don't pre-apporove slides [12:12] schestowitz-TR or I go "off" the slides [12:12] schestowitz-TR then talk about IBM [12:12] schestowitz-TR LF [12:12] schestowitz-TR OIN [12:12] schestowitz-TR and FSF money beancounters [12:12] schestowitz-TR get a littlew sweaty [12:12] schestowitz-TR knowing who might be watching [12:12] schestowitz-TR actually boston in nov. [12:12] schestowitz-TR maybe not sweaty [12:12] Techrights-sec What about zoobab or someone, that's what I was asking about. [12:13] schestowitz-TR i _think_ he is very busy with upc complaint/lawsuit/similar [12:13] schestowitz-TR but I might be wrong [12:13] Techrights-sec Yes the LibrePlanet 2023 could be a plaform to inform the public about it and [12:13] Techrights-sec to hone arguments. [12:15] Techrights-sec Can you ask him? [12:15] schestowitz-TR I don't think I ever saw a libreplanet talk (seen a lot) that focuses on corruption [12:15] schestowitz-TR next time i open thunderbird (this coming night) [12:18] schestowitz-TR i've just had a peek at the irc channel [12:18] schestowitz-TR which I mostly ignore for now, lost hours on it and it'\s only 12pm [12:18] schestowitz-TR the topic is controlled by trolls [12:18] schestowitz-TR re fsf, [12:18] schestowitz-TR where has ciaran gone? [12:18] schestowitz-TR he used to run swpats.org [12:18] schestowitz-TR and then sort of vanished [12:18] schestowitz-TR ii researched this 2-3 years ago [12:18] schestowitz-TR it's not clear why he stopped [12:18] Techrights-sec Which network + channel? [12:18] schestowitz-TR i'm sure fsf can send some lawyers to talk about swpats [12:18] schestowitz-TR like it did the last time [12:18] schestowitz-TR and the talk would be shallow [12:18] schestowitz-TR not revolutionary [12:18] schestowitz-TR "leave it to the profe$$ial$" [12:19] schestowitz-TR the one in gemini scrollback [12:19] schestowitz-TR caution: not good use of time [12:19] schestowitz-TR better to work on links tbh [12:19] schestowitz-TR I'm going to try to clean up rss feeds and then do videos [12:20] Techrights-sec important theme: [12:20] Techrights-sec https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/26/journalism-objectivity-and-neutrality-arent-the-same-thing/ [12:20] Techrights-sec ^ topic [12:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Journalism: "Objectivity" and "Neutrality" Aren't the Same Thing - CounterPunch.org [12:21] schestowitz-TR yes, I do need more topics and linked to this article [12:21] schestowitz-TR not sure what else to say, will think it through over coffee [12:21] schestowitz-TR lol! I made coffee 30 mins ago [12:21] schestowitz-TR forgot it in the percolator [12:21] schestowitz-TR brb [12:23] Techrights-sec thanks [12:23] schestowitz-TR lol! [12:23] schestowitz-TR familioar story [12:23] schestowitz-TR yom dawg, i made you some hot coffee to top up your cold coffee [12:24] Techrights-sec another theme: [12:24] Techrights-sec https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-misinformation-spreads-so-quickly-on-social-media/ [12:24] Techrights-sec ^ topic [12:24] Techrights-sec that ties into the counterpunch article too; objectivity is not parroting [12:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Why Misinformation Spreads So Quickly On Social Media | FiveThirtyEight [12:24] Techrights-sec "both sides" but a matter of digging to find what the facts are [12:25] schestowitz-TR the "look out the window" (re rain) parable [12:25] schestowitz-TR but again, need to think of an angle that is relevant to current times [12:25] schestowitz-TR like covid journalism [12:25] schestowitz-TR though I try not to bring that up in TR [12:25] schestowitz-TR it's toxic [12:28] Techrights-sec Depends on the context, I would guess. [12:28] Techrights-sec If one sticks to FOSS, sw patents, or something else it should be ok. [12:32] schestowitz-TR btw, for maximal effect epo hard-hitting stuff will be near the time the delegates reconvene [12:32] schestowitz-TR given the scazrcity of it [12:35] Techrights-sec Another theme, setting aside who said it or maybe not, is that computers [12:35] Techrights-sec used to be about doing work for people and under the direction of people rather [12:35] Techrights-sec than as a means to far people and their attention. Note how far the proprietary [12:35] Techrights-sec company Apple has diverged from its founder since his death: [12:35] Techrights-sec https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9281634-i-think-one-of-the-things-that-really-separates-us [12:35] Techrights-sec ^ topic [12:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Steve Jobs: I think one of the things that really separates... [12:35] Techrights-sec I misread "scazrcity" as "Sarkzy"; Isn't his corruption tied somehow to the [12:35] Techrights-sec ongoing corruption at the European Patent Office? [12:35] Techrights-sec Yes and it can be time to revisit it at least briefly, minus the cartoons. [12:35] schestowitz-TR sarko is the boss and handler of battostelli [12:35] schestowitz-TR we did loads of cartoons and articles to that effect when B.B. was in charge [12:35] schestowitz-TR not we have Breton [12:40] schestowitz-TR new mental policy: make notes of potential topics [12:40] schestowitz-TR then pause for opportunity to merge them in with something current [12:40] schestowitz-TR mashup [12:40] schestowitz-TR re jobs and jounralis and social control media, it'll be on the ice till I find a relevant (to TR) angle [12:40] schestowitz-TR the FUD against FOSS is only indirectly conected to that, so not same post/video [12:45] Techrights-sec Yes and it can be time to revisit it at least briefly, minus the cartoons. [12:45] Techrights-sec Most softare, especially "apps", are about farming behaviors these days. [12:47] schestowitz-TR also: better to write nothing that something regrettable [12:47] schestowitz-TR and don't wrsetle with pigs [12:47] schestowitz-TR time lost this morning on that [12:47] schestowitz-TR took a break from irc, maybe for the rest of the day tbh [12:47] schestowitz-TR spent more than enough time [12:47] schestowitz-TR left coffee cold [12:47] schestowitz-TR did not leave as intended, when intended [12:47] schestowitz-TR to avery accusations of "running away" [12:47] schestowitz-TR so coffee left aside... for an hour [12:47] schestowitz-TR and it's falling below 10 degrees already, so I could use th warmth [12:47] schestowitz-TR where did I get the video/linka bout Jobs regarding Internet? [12:47] schestowitz-TR explaining that it's not about just using one's PC for computation? [12:47] schestowitz-TR can't recall where IU got it [12:47] schestowitz-TR but what he said was actually insightful [12:47] schestowitz-TR for that time [12:54] Techrights-sec Not sure. What phrases can you recall from that video? [12:54] schestowitz-TR mystery where I got it from,checking browser history... [12:55] Techrights-sec What phrases can you recall from that video? [12:59] schestowitz-TR their machines are expensive, but high-end [12:59] schestowitz-TR more recent parents [12:59] schestowitz-TR I just go for budget/second hand [12:59] schestowitz-TR the n make up in quantities [12:59] schestowitz-TR my friend wanted to take photos of my desk to show people [12:59] schestowitz-TR forgoet about the jobs video; i spent too miuch time already trying to (re)locate it [12:59] schestowitz-TR anyway, I will wrap up rss now [12:59] schestowitz-TR and ignore irc [12:59] schestowitz-TR /s/parents/patents/ ● Sep 27 [13:00] Techrights-sec The Jobs video can be found if you can recall a phrase or two spoken in it. [13:01] schestowitz-TR i don't remember and would not want to liu... wait... I actually did link to it in irc [13:01] schestowitz-TR last night or today past midnight [13:02] Techrights-sec ack [13:05] schestowitz-TR failing to find it [13:05] schestowitz-TR it said something to the effect of goodquotes you cited (i did not open yet) [13:05] schestowitz-TR but then again apple was never abolut getting shit done, either [13:05] schestowitz-TR it was about getting all your money [13:05] schestowitz-TR with pcs that cost like 10k by today's money [13:05] schestowitz-TR and that's what I knew them for.. [13:05] schestowitz-TR snobs with money [13:05] schestowitz-TR (people who owned them in 80s/90s) [13:07] Techrights-sec ack [13:07] Techrights-sec It was about fleecing people but for a few years they were following [13:07] Techrights-sec Jobs' insistance about efficiency and usability. There are many faults [13:07] Techrights-sec with Apple and old OS X, but for a while they did keep an emphasis on usability [13:07] Techrights-sec Now its about "ecosystem" lock-in for formats, protocols, and even data. [13:07] Techrights-sec Worse, the UI has become about 'engagement' which is worrying because for [13:07] Techrights-sec a normal, standalone computer there is no upside to an 'engagement' approach [13:07] Techrights-sec at the expense of usability. So it is most likely that they are increasing [13:07] Techrights-sec their scanning, listening, watching, and other surveillance. [13:07] schestowitz-TR plus scanning your file because you are presumed a "crim" [13:07] schestowitz-TR "bartender, I will have my tv program... with booze on the side... keep bringing me more booze" [13:11] schestowitz-TR --- [13:11] schestowitz-TR i went out of my way to write hacks in rthe shell to filter out IRC BS and show it on another monitor [13:11] schestowitz-TR to LOWER engagement [13:11] schestowitz-TR and let me turn notifications off [13:11] schestowitz-TR in past 5 years the social control media shits made the notifications parts harder to hide [13:11] schestowitz-TR I had to write kwin rules to slide parts of the fluid windows out of view in x org [13:11] schestowitz-TR so that I don't see all the crap thrown at me [13:11] schestowitz-TR while I try to focus on just one task [13:12] schestowitz-TR or chgeck replies just once a week or less, in bulk [13:12] schestowitz-TR thunderbird I clean fully at most once a month [13:12] schestowitz-TR too much spam and cruft [13:12] schestowitz-TR email became very unimportant to me, tbh [13:12] schestowitz-TR even rianne and I barely exchange email anymore, we use text files on the pi as a file server [13:12] schestowitz-TR with kio and kate [13:12] schestowitz-TR the landline doubled down as an intercom [13:12] schestowitz-TR but one of the two cordless sets stopped working months ago [13:16] Techrights-sec [13:16] Techrights-sec Efficiency and focus is the opposite of 'engagement' [13:16] Techrights-sec 25 years ago, the world's universities has a global file sharing network [13:16] Techrights-sec on UNIX (GNU/Linux and others), MacOS, and Windows (pre-XP). It was folder [13:16] Techrights-sec level access control and you could share with groups or individuals, easily, [13:16] Techrights-sec via a folder / directory on the desktop system or even on servers. The [13:16] Techrights-sec people sharing the folders only needed to be part of AFS and could be located [13:16] Techrights-sec anywhere in the world. I guess Ceph might be the descendant but no university [13:16] Techrights-sec that I have heard of still has any meaningful IT department, if they even [13:17] Techrights-sec have one at all. Most don't. The result is that one has to jump through [13:17] Techrights-sec a million hoops to share a simple file and the process is buried in [13:17] Techrights-sec dangers, inefficiencies, and incompatibilities. [13:17] Techrights-sec s/has a/had a/ [13:17] schestowitz-TR 1990s: i can't do your formnats [13:17] schestowitz-TR now: i need a new account iyour clown [13:17] schestowitz-TR the latter isnot just vendor lockin [13:17] schestowitz-TR but also a surveillance outpost [13:17] schestowitz-TR for bosses, not just states and companies [13:18] Techrights-sec ... and still can't do the formats of the files therein [13:18] Techrights-sec https://dwheeler.com/essays/why-opendocument-won.html [13:18] Techrights-sec https://dwheeler.com/essays/opendocument-open.html [13:18] Techrights-sec standards and interoperability as a means for commodity markets is another [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dwheeler.com | Why OpenDocument Won (and Microsoft Office Open XML Didnt) [13:18] Techrights-sec recurring theme touching on many current topics [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dwheeler.com | Is OpenDocument an Open Standard? Yes! [13:18] Techrights-sec or the lack of or blocking of such standards [13:18] Techrights-sec ^ topic [13:23] schestowitz-TR thanks, we still need to work out and reword explanation of these issues [13:23] schestowitz-TR i think we can refine this further [13:23] schestowitz-TR and then get other people to argue similarly [13:23] schestowitz-TR cory d wreote a fiar deal about that [13:23] schestowitz-TR i think he still uses MSUbuntu [13:25] schestowitz-TR he covers many topics and his talks are rarely "parrots" [13:25] schestowitz-TR afaik, he did not found or coin anything, e.g. "4 freedoms" [13:25] schestowitz-TR he just releases books, a lot [13:26] schestowitz-TR plus a daily essay [13:56] schestowitz-TR Microbell at it again https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3 [13:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Thanks Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix [13:56] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Thanks Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix [13:57] Techrights-sec ack [13:58] schestowitz-TR thank you for helping my sponsor [13:58] schestowitz-TR which also asks me to booost azure [13:58] schestowitz-TR and helps microsoft foist pluton ● Sep 27 [14:14] schestowitz-TR give him 1-2 more years and he'll be an LF parrot [14:58] schestowitz-TR sounds like something exploded [14:58] schestowitz-TR other than the economy and the prices ;-) ● Sep 27 [15:04] schestowitz-TR --- [15:04] schestowitz-TR sio I guess further price hikes imminent [15:04] schestowitz-TR also, it's bad enough that comms are done through satellites that require rockets [15:04] schestowitz-TR and cables on the bottom of an ocean [15:04] schestowitz-TR alot worse withdrilling and gas transport [15:04] schestowitz-TR disaster always certain [15:04] schestowitz-TR ages to get to to issue [15:06] schestowitz-TR -- [15:06] schestowitz-TR so maybe not ww3 or "end of the world" [15:06] schestowitz-TR just culling of those least robust to financial turbulence [15:06] schestowitz-TR or those with many offsprings [15:06] schestowitz-TR it fucks up the offsprings the most [15:06] schestowitz-TR no proper childhood [15:06] schestowitz-TR the mental burden remains to be witnessed [15:07] schestowitz-TR i try to be an outside to this [15:07] schestowitz-TR seems to have paid off since 2020 [15:07] schestowitz-TR maybe a few decades from now our yough will be no better off than in chinese sweatshop [15:07] schestowitz-TR working on the cheap just for bunk bed and food [15:07] schestowitz-TR 9 to 9, 6 a week (996) [15:16] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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