●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 ●● ● Oct 27 [01:13] *altlink_a51 has quit (connection closed) [01:14] *altlink_67f (~altlink_67f@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:34] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 27 [02:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:08] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:08] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:20] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [02:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [03:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@evhgacymdbaui.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:31] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vc3q2vduvxhz8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:31] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:33] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@theapzc5tv6n2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [04:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [05:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:01] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:01] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:01] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:09] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:09] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:22] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:22] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:22] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:22] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:24] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:34] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:43] *leah has quit (connection closed) [05:43] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [06:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 27 [07:50] *leah has quit (connection closed) [07:50] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [08:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:21] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:22] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:46] Techrights-sec Found out that the local "college", if one can still call it that, has [08:46] Techrights-sec been teaching Linux not on bare metal but on M$ Azure. Among all the other [08:46] Techrights-sec probelms with that, it is far more expensive than any other hosting service. [08:46] Techrights-sec https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107164426544023552 [08:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "A couple years back, the charitable foundation I " - Mastodon - NZOSS [08:48] schestowitz-TR2 Right now at work some desktop users protest and complain that we're about to start a contract wherein we support "Linux" on the SERVER side. [08:48] Techrights-sec I had wrongly assumed that Azure's damage was limited to being garbage, not [08:48] Techrights-sec that it adds price gouging on top. The Mastodon link there describes [08:48] Techrights-sec pricing, I can only guess what's going on here but presume it is similar. [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 If Microsoft bribes officials, as it habitually does, there can be kickbacks. Microsoft isn't a company, it's a crime syndicate. [08:55] psydruid it's unbelievable we are still talking about one sinister company that has embedded itself in so many places that it is proving to be hard to get rid of it and build real scalable and secure systems that are also relatively inexpensive [08:56] psydruid but the world got rid of IBM and that will happen to Microsoft too, eventually ● Oct 27 [09:01] Techrights-sec I don't know the original cause but it comes down to almost off-the-charts [09:01] Techrights-sec levels of corruption with close relatives and friends feeding off of public [09:01] Techrights-sec money. There are microsofters through all levels, with all characteristics [09:01] Techrights-sec of a cult, on top of that. In one institution, a while back, the key [09:01] Techrights-sec decision maker kept blocking FOSS in general because of a spouse who actively [09:01] Techrights-sec sold M$ "solutions". But that is mild compared to the rest of the corrutption,bbut there seems to be col [09:01] Techrights-sec lusion not to report it. Contracts are given to [09:01] Techrights-sec companies where those deciding on the contract have heavy investments, for [09:01] Techrights-sec example. Said companies also double bill, charge for non-existent deployments [09:01] Techrights-sec and so on. [09:02] schestowitz-TR2 Zemlin's wife sold Microsoft "solution" [09:21] psydruid The worst consequence of this criminal organisation's actions is that legitimate IT professionals are robbed of opportunities to implement better solutions and earn decent livelihoods without becoming microserfs [09:50] Techrights-sec (will read later) [09:50] Techrights-sec back in a few hours [09:51] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: depending on how it pans out, I might anonymise the story a bit and mention it later [09:51] schestowitz-TR2 it's public sector, sort of [09:51] schestowitz-TR2 (UK) [09:51] schestowitz-TR2 our CEO says, the 1990s phoned [09:51] schestowitz-TR2 "linux is a cancer" [09:57] psydruid I am not sure if that is a joke or not [09:57] schestowitz-TR2 I don't know much [09:57] schestowitz-TR2 rianne looked into it [09:57] schestowitz-TR2 "not my department" [09:57] schestowitz-TR2 I don't even want to deal with such crap people [09:58] schestowitz-TR2 I just patch machines and investigate stuff [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: do you use xdotool? [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 I'm about to publish some scripts of mine ● Oct 27 [10:00] psydruid it's a consequence of a bunch of companies getting too big and too entrenched based on the same monoculture solutions [10:00] psydruid schestowitz-TR2: I haven't used it but may look into it in a few days [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 I've just pushed it into git [10:47] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [11:08] *psydroid3 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:28] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:28] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [12:52] *leah has quit (connection closed) [12:52] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:54] Techrights-sec Desktop-Utils/post-ff.sh ciuld use mktemp instead of a fixed file name [12:54] Techrights-sec pushed into Git now [12:58] schestowitz thanks, my code in many of this single-user script is kludge that just about works, I've pulled the changed, pushed to original ('prod') file and so far it still works well. I think the the url.sh script has some room for reuse when putting together Daily Links, as it helops grab a lot of stuff with a couple of clicks ● Oct 27 [13:04] Techrights-sec temp files don't matter much until they start to get used in a multi-user [13:04] Techrights-sec environment. [13:04] Techrights-sec Reducing the number of clicks saves a lot of mental effort not just the mouse [13:04] Techrights-sec jand. [13:04] Techrights-sec ^hand [13:04] Techrights-sec automation can sometimes reduce chance of human error [13:04] schestowitz-TR2 automation can sometimes reduce chance of human error [13:04] Techrights-sec Yes, I have to have several automated scans for errors in my work otherwise [13:04] Techrights-sec things will break several times a month, without visible symptoms other than [13:04] Techrights-sec data loss. [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 with with tools we manage to wade through a lot of material and organise/digest it. As sites perish and go offline many of these old archives become invaluable to us. [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 *with these [13:12] Techrights-sec Definitely. [13:28] schestowitz-TR2 pushed small fix to git [13:29] Techrights-sec thanks [13:30] schestowitz-TR2 I can do tidying up, cleanup, expansions now that it's in git, as anything removed remains in the repo in case I need it in the future [13:45] Techrights-sec I should test things :/ [13:45] Techrights-sec ack [13:53] *leah has quit (connection closed) [13:53] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 27 [14:32] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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