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[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	This one got truncated in gemini: 
[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/
[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	Rather than modify the code, it might be more useful to fix the HTML
[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	fixed
[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	there were too many redundant div elements
[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	the tree has to stay rather flat
[07:37]	techrights-sec[2]	s/redundant/redundant, nested/
[07:37]	schestowitz-TR2	yes, the divs came from the original html
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[07:48]	schestowitz-TR2	oh, good, you find something in reuters that validates what I said about twitter losing a ton
[07:48]	schestowitz-TR2	of activity. it makes up for it by funnelling remaining users into emotional trips.
[07:48]	schestowitz-TR2	musk and the head choppers waste money, no idea why, but I can guess
[07:58]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
● Oct 27
[08:00]	schestowitz-TR2	optimal time to leave was, when the threats started
[08:00]	schestowitz-TR2	I think early 2021
[08:00]	schestowitz-TR2	up until then I had to spend almost no time on it
[08:00]	schestowitz-TR2	but in 2019 there was already this 'cancel culture' thing
[08:00]	schestowitz-TR2	that led me to not reply to anything
[08:00]	schestowitz-TR2	it would take time before I received threats over my speech
[08:23]	schestowitz-TR2	"Health is the most important aspect of your life!" gemini://snonux.land/gemfeed/2022-10-27-if-health-isnt-there.gmi
[08:24]	techrights-sec[2]	The threats are tolerated by the management there and even encouraged if they
[08:24]	techrights-sec[2]	support particular agendas or suppress specific topics
[08:25]	schestowitz-TR2	you would think after posting nearly a million tweets I would NOT wans it to crash and burn
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR2	[topic] Twitter is Concerned That Its Most Valuable Users Quit in Droves
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR2	Musk and the Saudis still want a dying platform, FB shares fell to 100 dollars (from almost 400)
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR2	trying to cling onto Microsoft for survival, like Netflix
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR2	we need about 4-6 topics, then I can record efficiently
[08:41]	techrights-sec[2]	If the Unified Patent Court (UPC) is illegal because a) it strictly requires
[08:41]	techrights-sec[2]	the UK to be within the EU to sign and b) there are various consitutional
[08:41]	techrights-sec[2]	issues confirmed by courts, then which source for a) and b) ?
[08:41]	techrights-sec[2]	^ topic ?
[08:41]	techrights-sec[2]	[citations for a and b are super important]
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[08:46]	schestowitz-TR2	"Election Denial" is what Bill Gates-bribed Pro Publica collectively calls rejection of back-doored Windows voting machines https://www.propublica.org/article/uline-uihlein-election-denial
[08:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.propublica.org | How the Uline Box Empire Has Fueled Election Denial ProPublica
[08:50]	techrights-sec[2]	https://www.jordanharbinger.com/harri-hursti-the-cyber-war-on-americas-elections/
[08:50]	techrights-sec[2]	(old)
[08:50]	techrights-sec[2]	US is ignoring the 'long' game
[08:50]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jordanharbinger.com | Harri Hursti | The Cyber War on America's Elections | The Jordan Harbinger Show 405
[08:53]	techrights-sec[2]	old https://estoniaevoting.org/team/
[08:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-estoniaevoting.org | The Team | Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia
[08:55]	techrights-sec[2]	unfortunately that topic is one which is banned from twitter and other social
[08:55]	techrights-sec[2]	control media and only pits cover it -- so far
[08:55]	techrights-sec[2]	https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man-buys-michigan-voting-machine-off-ebay-the-secretary-of-state-has-questions
[08:55]	techrights-sec[2]	^ topic ?
[08:55]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fox2detroit.com | Man buys Michigan voting machine off EBay. The Secretary of State has questions
[08:59]	techrights-sec[2]	many reasons not to use "webmail" in place of e-mail:
[08:59]	techrights-sec[2]	https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/PhishViaFiletypeConfusion
[08:59]	techrights-sec[2]	a case for commodity services, open standards, and free choice of client sofrware
[08:59]	techrights-sec[2]	^ topic ?
[08:59]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/spam/PhishViaFiletypeConfusion
● Oct 27
[09:01]	techrights-sec[2]	https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/25/what-if-journalism-disappeared/
[09:01]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What if Journalism Disappeared? - scheerpost.com
[09:01]	techrights-sec[2]	^ topic ?
[09:02]	schestowitz-TR2	ok, got 5 topics now
[09:02]	schestowitz-TR2	that's enough for now :D
[09:06]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
[09:08]	schestowitz-TR2	lunduke has just uploaded another new youtube to a fanfare of 150 viewers
[09:08]	schestowitz-TR2	those sem bland and have no actual topic, just a mishmash
[09:16]	techrights-sec[2]	Bryan's decline has been sad 
[09:16]	schestowitz-TR2	i still see all his blog posts
[09:17]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe 1 in 10 has some real value, so it's a low yield
[09:17]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, I will record shortly, got some material
[09:17]	schestowitz-TR2	I'll try to keep videos shorter
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[09:48]	schestowitz-TR2	OTA
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR2	long, many
● Oct 27
[10:44]	schestowitz-TR2	donex5
[10:44]	schestowitz-TR2	now text...
[10:45]	schestowitz-TR2	productive so farf today
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[10:54]	schestowitz-TR2	draft 
[10:58]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
[10:58]	techrights-sec[2]	checking
[10:58]	techrights-sec[2]	some stats would help, you have several links from a few years ago showing
[10:58]	techrights-sec[2]	in real numbers the actual decline
[10:59]	schestowitz-TR2	good thinking, I think we should do a followup with numeric data
[10:59]	schestowitz-TR2	I can do some at my end too
[10:59]	schestowitz-TR2	later on..
[10:59]	schestowitz-TR2	I've just added a long footnote to the summary
[10:59]	schestowitz-TR2	(video still processing, it's all unscripted, but that helps prepare me for the text)
● Oct 27
[11:02]	techrights-sec[2]	right but the current draft needs some real numbers even if a followup is 
[11:02]	techrights-sec[2]	done later
[11:02]	techrights-sec[2]	https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroom-employment-has-fallen-26-since-2008/
[11:02]	techrights-sec[2]	https://academic.oup.com/book/9680/chapter-abstract/156813089?redirhttps://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/06/
[11:02]	techrights-sec[2]	newspapers-close-decline-in-local-journalism/
[11:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | U.S. newsroom employment has fallen 26% since 2008 | Pew Research Center
[11:02]	techrights-sec[2]	https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2022/how-we-end-local-news-deserts/
[11:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-academic.oup.com | The Decline of Journalism since 1945 | Making News: The Political Economy of Journalism in Britain and America from the Glorious Revolution to the Internet | Oxford Academic
[11:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.poynter.org | How we end local news deserts - Poynter
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR2	thanks, adding......
[11:03]	techrights-sec[2]	np
[11:03]	techrights-sec[2]	plus the others you already have on file ...
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[11:46]	techrights-sec[2]	https://www.techrepublic.com/article/military-intelligence-dod-finally-finally-bans-html-e-mail/
[11:46]	techrights-sec[2]	https://aty.sdsu.edu/bibliog/HTML.html
[11:46]	techrights-sec[2]	https://www.networkworld.com/article/2333079/html-e-mail-not-worth-the-risk.html
[11:46]	techrights-sec[2]	http://archive.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html
[11:46]	techrights-sec[2]	http://www.asciiribbon.org/
[11:46]	techrights-sec[2]	https://web.archive.org/web/20010824052537/http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml
[11:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Military Intelligence? DoD finally (FINALLY) bans HTML e-mail | TechRepublic
[11:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aty.sdsu.edu | Why NOT to use HTML in e-mail
[11:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.networkworld.com | HTML e-mail not worth the risk | Network World
[11:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.birdhouse.org | Why HTML in E-Mail is a Bad Idea
[11:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.asciiribbon.org | The Ascii Ribbon Campaign official homepage
[11:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | 7 reasons why HTML email is a bad thing
[11:46]	schestowitz-TR2	draft
[11:46]	schestowitz-TR2	adding...
[11:59]	schestowitz-TR2	dradft
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[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	dradft
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	i am paraphrasing at the moment for the blank summary
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	thanks
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	next post will take longer, it's the upc thing
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	video already processing
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	rianne just posted in TM
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	when when it reached the gemini stage it presented a ton of output in the CLI
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	I checked see see html and it's fine
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	in gemini I noticed the 'refresh'-like character does not show up correctly in recent notes
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	but shows up OK in order pages
[12:38]	techrights-sec[2]	np
[12:38]	techrights-sec[2]	oops    
[12:38]	techrights-sec[2]	checking, probably debug material got left in
[12:38]	techrights-sec[2]	fixed
[12:38]	techrights-sec[2]	thanks for spotting it
[12:38]	techrights-sec[2]	        
[12:38]	schestowitz-TR2	no worries, she caught it very fast :-)
[12:38]	schestowitz-TR2	we had another tech issue this morning when she could not find her ebay text file
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR2	but we located it OK :-)
● Oct 27
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR2	draft
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR2	thanks to irc being quiet I've been a lot more productive this past day
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR2	even managed to sleep more!
[13:56]	techrights-sec[2]	checking
[13:56]	techrights-sec[2]	graft or grift ?
[13:56]	techrights-sec[2]	"because of a legal commitmemnt" -> citation needed
[13:56]	techrights-sec[2]	what is the connection to kaynewest?
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR2	i think grifting and graft are the same
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR2	but not grafting 
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR2	I've just reworded it
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR2	i clarified why kanye mentioned
[13:59]	techrights-sec[2]	Both sleep and productivity !
[13:59]	techrights-sec[2]	there are big differences both are unethical and/or illegal though
[13:59]	schestowitz-TR2	(graft/grift)
● Oct 27
[14:01]	techrights-sec[2]	thanks
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR2	the link provided covers both the uk issue and hungary issue (2018)
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR2	two in one
[14:06]	techrights-sec[2]	which link ?
[14:06]	techrights-sec[2]	Can it be highlighted with an illuminating sentence?
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR2	I will emphasise these points better in the next part of the series
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR2	I still don't show all the cards
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR2	also, I think sending links to MEPs gives them "more work"
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR2	better to first touch baser and check their interest
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR2	*base
[14:23]	techrights-sec[2]	[citatin needed]
[14:25]	schestowitz-TR2	said the Wikipedia article, groomed with many "reputable" law firms as citations ;-)
[14:25]	schestowitz-TR2	they get paid a lot per hour, so they MUST be right
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR2	rianne found only 2 links
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR2	slow news again, it must be weekend already for site editors ;-)
[14:28]	techrights-sec[2]	ack            
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	this means I need to let it pile up a bit, then get creative with clustering to make the stories more ponent
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	by quantity
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	I took a peek, it's dry like weekends
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	it's a miiracle that things just magicallyh "stopped happening" in the worlsd
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	when journalism died
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	like in china...
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	"no news is good news; now go back to work, the price of food will double soon"
[14:50]	schestowitz-TR2	-
[14:50]	schestowitz-TR2	if you check recent entries in tuxmachines over gemini://
[14:50]	schestowitz-TR2	you will see that headlines struggle with "special" chars
[14:50]	schestowitz-TR2	I checked older pages and they worked correctly
[14:50]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe type or char def somewhere?
● Oct 27
[15:24]	techrights-sec[2]	ack            
[15:24]	techrights-sec[2]	checking
[15:24]	techrights-sec[2]	playing whac-a-mole with utf-8 quirks
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	I still have not solved all the urf woes at my end
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	and rely a lot of substitution hacks
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	so much for standards
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	and handling of "universal" languages
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	html is much of the same
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	kiss would have prevented at least some of this chaos
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	in librewold i still have some utf-8 issues
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	and they probablky struggle to fix those
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR2	as the firefox codebase is vast
[15:29]	schestowitz-TR2	 (NEW): The GNOME Project is closing all its mailing lists http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/27/The_GNOME_Project_is_closing_all_its_mailing_lists.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/27/The_GNOME_Project_is_closing_all_its_mailing_lists.gmi 
[15:29]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines The GNOME Project is closing all its mailing lists
[15:30]	schestowitz-TR2	abandoning email for "web" (JS crap, bloat, hard to maintain in the long run -> data loss)
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[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	The core of the problem is that bytes were misused as being synonymous with 
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	characters back in the day.  Now 20+ years later, we are still dealing with
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	the cruft and legacy.
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	The good part in the TM work flow is that the problems have nearly all been 
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	in the last step or very close to it.  Most importantly of all the data has 
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	been getting into the database in the correct encoding.  So far.  
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	Not enough time is spent in most projects to remove or clean up old code.  
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	There are a lot of merits to even "just" updating to the current writing style
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	because old mistakes will surface through that process.  However, in the
[15:32]	techrights-sec[2]	specific case of FF and TB you have the proble of it looking like Baker is out
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	to slowly destroy the project from within on behalf of the "donor" Google
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	Not just data loss but financial loss since HTML mail in general and web mail
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	in particular make it not just feasible but easy to phish at the same time
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	it makes it all but impossible to avoid phishing other than by acting on 
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	hunches or clues because all the real information is hidden. Beyond hiding,
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	your old friend javascript can be used to obfuscate the true destination
[15:33]	techrights-sec[2]	of various embedded links.  So "hovering" over them will give a false message.
[15:35]	matteobin	That's sad, I really like mailing lists. :(
[15:38]	techrights-sec[2]	tbh, I was never a fan
[15:38]	techrights-sec[2]	I liked knode for newsgroups better
[15:38]	techrights-sec[2]	but some mail clients handle mailing lists well
[15:38]	techrights-sec[2]	not the web based ones
[15:38]	techrights-sec[2]	but email is "old"
[15:38]	techrights-sec[2]	NNTP is "old"
[15:39]	techrights-sec[2]	I wonder whose decision it was to go "CMS'
[15:39]	techrights-sec[2]	with simple discussions
[15:39]	matteobin	I use mutt: it's old and it rocks. So does email. Who cares if it's old?
[15:41]	techrights-sec[2]	theory:
[15:42]	techrights-sec[2]	people who cannot master "old" things try to impose "new" on the elders
[15:43]	matteobin	Maybe
[15:43]	matteobin	But I'm not old.
[15:43]	matteobin	I'm 27. I was born when mutt was created.
[15:43]	schestowitz-TR2	reasons to like simpler tools:
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR2	1) they don't change too much
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR2	2) archiving can be simpler, portability too
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR2	I still use Palm PDA of the old generation
[15:44]	matteobin	Indeed
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR2	"modern" stuff changes too fast and too often
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR2	even wordpress
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR2	because of imaginiary users
[15:45]	schestowitz-TR2	they say they make it easier for "n00bs"
[15:45]	matteobin	Life's short and hard. There is no value in learning new shiny tools if it's not really worth it.
[15:45]	schestowitz-TR2	but actually they tend to further complicate the UI
[15:45]	schestowitz-TR2	and..
[15:45]	matteobin	Damn noobs! :D
[15:45]	schestowitz-TR2	they make ito harder for people who trained for the old UI
[15:45]	schestowitz-TR2	matteobin: did you read the article from Andy?
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR2	 gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/26/How_Digital_Systems_Fail_Our_Institutions_By_Dr_Andy_Farnell.gmi
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR2	 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/index.gmi
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR2	it covers those points
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR2	how his students (he's a university teacher) struggle because they keep "improving" the system
[15:46]	matteobin	I don't have a gemini client.
[15:47]	schestowitz-TR2	ok, wait
[15:49]	schestowitz	http://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/index.gmi
[15:49]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gemini.techrights.org | Gemini Proxy for Techrights
[15:49]	schestowitz	ffs, firefox just fired ADS at me!
[15:58]	matteobin	I'll read it. Thanks.
● Oct 27
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	sorry, i messed up :( 
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	i also need to delete firefox I think
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	see post from 30 secs ago
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	germany is priority atm because they have not ratified but MIGHT in nov of dev
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	*dec
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	we want to delay or prevent this
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	as we succcessfully did in 2017
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	they were ABOUT to ratify
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	france ratified
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	uk cannot ratify
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	3 are a MUST
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR2	(re upc)
[16:03]	techrights-sec[2]	Checking  
[16:03]	techrights-sec[2]	not sure what the post is about but it seems related to ryan's?
[16:04]	matteobin	Why do you want to delete FF?
[16:04]	schestowitz-TR2	ryan did not focus on the ads aspect
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR2	Mozilla Keeps Changing Users Settings to Blast Misinformation (or Present Dishonest Ads) at Them in New Tabs | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/27/mozilla-adware/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/27/mozilla-adware/
[16:06]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Mozilla Keeps Changing Users Settings to Blast Misinformation (or Present Dishonest Ads) at Them in New Tabs | Techrights
[16:12]	matteobin	That article is great!
[16:12]	matteobin	THANK YOU!
[16:12]	matteobin	You made my day.
[16:12]	schestowitz-TR2	:-)
[16:12]	schestowitz-TR2	I will tell Andy
[16:12]	matteobin	Whenever I read thinkgs like that I feel not alone.
[16:12]	matteobin	Sometimes I fear to be paranoid or mad.
[16:12]	schestowitz-TR2	he wrote many other good articles
[16:12]	schestowitz-TR2	that you can find in TR
[16:13]	matteobin	At least I'm not the only one.
[16:13]	schestowitz-TR2	no, i am the same
[16:13]	schestowitz-TR2	techrights-sec[2] also
[16:13]	matteobin	I should definetely change job.
[16:13]	schestowitz-TR2	"too much" fake "tech"
[16:13]	schestowitz-TR2	they're pioured out mustard all over the steak
[16:14]	matteobin	Indeed. I've recently started learning C, reading The C Programming Language and it's so much better.
[16:15]	matteobin	I'm touched by its simplicity yet its usefulness.
[16:16]	matteobin	People keep telling me "modern" systems are good, but I don't see why FOR ME they should be great.
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	techrights-sec[2]: 
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	re breyer
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	i want to be amici to him
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	not inbox nuisance
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	so no URLs yet
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	just preliminary chat
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	he knows TR already
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	and knows the issues
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	he hates swpats 
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	matteobin: I sent to andy your feedback
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	by email
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	(just now)
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	matteobin: we still use irc
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	born 1988
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR2	I adopted it when I was 14 or 13
[16:22]	schestowitz-TR2	i still use it
[16:22]	schestowitz-TR2	it still works, even better than before
[16:22]	schestowitz-TR2	but it is compatible with 1980s systems
[16:23]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/
[16:23]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights
[16:23]	matteobin	I've started using IRC recently, because I wanted to know people who valued the same things I value.
[16:24]	schestowitz-TR2	you can still use this channel with an old clunker from the 1980s
[16:24]	schestowitz-TR2	and the site with 1990s browsers
[16:24]	matteobin	It's so refreshing to talk with people like you, really. It's hard to be the only "strange" IT guy.
[16:25]	matteobin	Even my friends think I'm kind of mad.
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR2	no, we are not few
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR2	many like us
[16:25]	matteobin	They don't understand, they usually think in shorterm.
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR2	but the media discards us
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR2	we're not good for its advertisers
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR2	I'm a c programmer also
[16:26]	matteobin	Nice!
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR2	it's not the only domain where the people who know the trade reject a lot of its products
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR2	as insufficiency good
[16:26]	matteobin	You're right.
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR2	those who follow the herd out of insecurity are ill informed
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR2	because they are ill-equipped to know the impact
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	like what happens when they pay with ID 
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	(card, loyalty card, credit card)
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	and what happens to this data
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	or what that phone in the pocket does
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	and how much electricity it takes
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	and the impact of radiation
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	(a suppressed issue)
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR2	I'd listen to the chef, not the cook
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[16:28]	schestowitz-TR2	and certainly not the person at the till
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR2	they just want to maximise sales
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[16:28]	matteobin	I host my own mail, XMPP, FTP, VoIP and web server. Some or VPS, others not. But that's the way schools or businesses should do it.
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR2	and would even inject water into the chicken to fake its size
[16:28]	matteobin	Many chefs are seduced by this world.
[16:28]	matteobin	Because it pays a lot of money.
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR2	 > But that's the way schools or businesses should do it.
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR2	that is how they used to do it
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	before "clown computing" hype
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	like you are left behind if you don't outsource all your systems
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	were were there before
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	ICBM mainframes
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	and then servers got cheaper
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	and now we're meant to become mere "subscribers" for servers
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	and for phones, PCs
[16:29]	schestowitz-TR2	"enter your gmail account to start using this laptop..."
[16:30]	matteobin	Yes, exactly. My high school website praises itself because they use the G-Suite. Really?! Information Freedom...
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR2	gulag is slavery
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR2	or rather
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR2	more politely, colonialism
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR2	and you can see who bankrolls this
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR2	the same country that put like 40 military bases in your country
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR2	even 80 years after the war
[16:31]	matteobin	I concur!
[16:31]	matteobin	You are so right.
[16:32]	matteobin	It's hard to express how I feel traped by all this madness.
[16:32]	matteobin	*trapped
[16:32]	schestowitz-TR2	things changed
[16:32]	schestowitz-TR2	because some european countries vote for fascists
[16:32]	schestowitz-TR2	and the media cannot stop this
[16:32]	schestowitz-TR2	nor can I
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR2	because they are fed up with colonial economy
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR2	but the people fail to see the real issue is not "the immigrants"
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR2	and we're decades to late to change it
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR2	a lot of italian [sic] cars are made in parts abroad
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR2	then assembled locally
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR2	relying on cheap labour abroad
[16:34]	matteobin	Don't tell me. We've had elections recently... :'(
[16:44]	techrights-sec[2]	Alex Jones' business model was actually lying.  He apparently never had any
[16:44]	techrights-sec[2]	other intention.
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	in the past, some politicians leaked material to TR
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	but I cannot name them or give pointers
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	as that can expose who they were
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	TR is one of those "dirty" sites some people never want to publicly admit they read
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	but they read it
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	and it is demonised
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	that almost all epo workers at least habitually read it says a lot
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	because they know how to assess veracity of sources
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	based on their actual track record
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	alex jones got in deep shit because he lies
[16:44]	schestowitz-TR2	we're ok after 16 years
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	no lawsuits filed, nothing to sue over
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	but we're demonised for truth
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	he's demonised for bullshit
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	and dog whistles
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	apropos, john the dr. from carlyle is demonised by the cartel in youtube
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	and they try to deplatform him
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	I don't expect to ever be "popular" with everyone
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	pocock failed to protect his name, imho
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	partly because of some tasteless thing he did in fact publish
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	matteobin: posted in block chunks as we use ytalk over ssh
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR2	very old school
[16:48]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
[16:49]	matteobin	What is TR? And what does ACK mean?
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR2	techrights
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR2	and "acknowledged"
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR2	New NHS data: COVID-19 TESTS are down. Yay!! VICTORY! We're not checking infections.
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR2	Soon 210,000 COVID-19-linked deaths in the UK. About 2000 EXTRA deaths each WEEK, not attributed to COVID-19 because we're not properly testing or checking the root causes.
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[16:53]	schestowitz-TR2	To know what's going on with COVID-19 in the UK follow ONS for estimates of fatalities/victims/casualties of the surge of COVID-19. It's about 2000 more people PER WEEK (than before pandemic). That's almost 10,000 EXTRA deaths PER MONTH. The media doesn't talk about this.
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[16:56]	matteobin	How do you talk via SSH? What does EPO stand for?
[16:59]	matteobin	Oh... talk is a program. I didn't know that.
● Oct 27
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	talk or ytalk
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	EPO is European Patent Office
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	we posted about 4000 articles about EPO this past decade
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	it is the elephant in the room
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	super corrupt
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	and europe's SECOND-LARGEST org
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	selling monopolies to foreign firms
[17:03]	matteobin	Oh... I see.
[17:05]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO
[17:05]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights
[17:13]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR2	some evil tongue about PP and Breyer also
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR2	UPC boosters got very aggressive
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR2	and they are bulldozing the law atm
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR2	hoping not to get caught
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR2	after decade of lying to client
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR2	*clients
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[17:16]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	iow, epo/megacros/law firms (upc) discredit europe, eu, and "the systems" (several of them)
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	but the media goes out of its way to not explain what goes on
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	so f* them
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	wait, better to say, today's media is PART of "the system"
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	hence, it does not eat its own
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	and it tries to deplatform the opposition
[17:20]	matteobin	Gotta go. Thank you again for the article.
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[17:28]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
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[19:12]	schestowitz-TR2	yesterday was nice and calm 
[19:12]	schestowitz-TR2	today started on the right track
[19:12]	schestowitz-TR2	irc is the sum total of the people in it
[19:12]	schestowitz-TR2	for now, I keep out until it settles
[19:12]	schestowitz-TR2	focusing on news
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR2	there is no _safer_ alternative to coexistence
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR2	not saner, safter
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR2	*safer
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR2	I'm reading rss links now
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR2	time wasted: 0 seconds
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[19:28]	techrights-sec[2]	https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/
[19:28]	techrights-sec[2]	"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it." 
[19:28]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader
[19:28]	schestowitz-TR2	that was about Microsoft ;-)
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR2	I'm more like Ray Noorda
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR2	Microsoft is... unique
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, I look away and get shit done
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR2	irc has beena round for ages
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR2	it won't end without someone 'pulling a Lee'
[19:34]	schestowitz-TR2	rianne is leaving tomorrow around noon
[19:34]	schestowitz-TR2	that won't affect anything I do
[19:34]	schestowitz-TR2	I'll try to do more videos later tonioght
[19:34]	schestowitz-TR2	if you have any topics
[19:34]	schestowitz-TR2	I can see some in 'the news' but they're not "novel" or exciting
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR2	----
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR2	rianne's mom keeps reminding her to make lots of food and prepare 
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR2	and she keeps joking about it
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, there is fresh cooked food, a fridge and freezer full already
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR2	and the house is very clean
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	----
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	poor brian fagioli, unable to attract comments
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	he starts provoking aqndf baiting
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	a very short-term strategy
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	nestor hates his guts for it
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	and really likes how TR is having a go at his drama
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	nestor never covers corporate/LF shit
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR2	and almost never write provocative headlines or covers controversial topics
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR2	 afew hours ago I joked with rianne about how some trolls try to mess with people's temper and 
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	cause impatience a
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	and how with me, unlike her, they are largely unsuccessful 
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	I learned from a mistake I made like 18 years ago when responding to a super-nasty troll
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	and then got quoted without the context
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, with upc too, it is a political strategt
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	taking breaks from irc is as easy as moving to another virtual desktop on that screen and coming back
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	later on
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	with annoying news, food or exercise breaks help as well
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	and never typing an actual article whilst angry
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	because emotion and facts are separate
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR2	I learned that from OOXML saga
[19:42]	techrights-sec[2]	ack
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[21:03]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.it/planert41/status/1585662371586101250#m
[21:03]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-PPE (@planert41): "Someone just wrote about this http://techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/"|nitter.it