●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 ●●

● Apr 28
[00:06]	schestowitz__	MinceR: yes, I noticed
[00:06]	schestowitz__	I went to sleep when the lunacy was just getting sort of warmed up and started
[00:07]	schestowitz__	I think after daemonFuCkmind has brought up sex
[00:07]	schestowitz__	in a channel about tech
[00:08]	schestowitz__	subjects that are troll magnets
[00:08]	schestowitz__	with the likes of Garrett thriving in disruptions like these
[00:08]	MinceR	lol
[00:09]	schestowitz__	but seriously though
[00:09]	schestowitz__	seeing how soylentNews was being derailed
[00:09]	MinceR	child pr0n isn't merely a sex issue though
[00:10]	schestowitz__	and having posted some IRC logs from there recently
[00:10]	MinceR	it's a convenient excuse for restricting human rights as they relate to technology
[00:10]	schestowitz__	MinceR: don't see why CP would have to be brought up here
[00:10]	schestowitz__	unless people look for a fight or to cause trouble
[00:10]	MinceR	maybe we can get rid of people who are trying to cause trouble
[00:10]	schestowitz__	there is one person on mute
[00:11]	schestowitz__	for being here as a saboteur
[00:11]	schestowitz__	even PMing people about "Communism" and CP
[00:11]	schestowitz__	as the channel is publicly logged he gets no edge by being in it
[00:12]	schestowitz__	except maybe seeing it more in real time
[00:12]	MinceR	2 people are quieted
[00:13]	MinceR	i was thinking of adding another, but i remembered your view on banning/quieting people
[00:21]	schestowitz__	it was rather quiet for ~2 weeks
[00:21]	schestowitz__	maybe better that way
[00:21]	schestowitz__	one person down now
[00:21]	schestowitz__	self-removed
● Apr 28
[01:02]	schestowitz__	 MinceR 
[01:02]	schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/L_isaMarie/status/1387102776828723200
[01:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@L_isaMarie: Hanging out in @FSF related spaces, watched a guy defending ownership of child pornography as "free speech" while a https://t.co/1fKn9aHrXe
[01:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@L_isaMarie: Hanging out in @FSF related spaces, watched a guy defending ownership of child pornography as "free speech" while a https://t.co/1fKn9aHrXe
[01:02]	schestowitz__	"
[01:02]	schestowitz__	Hanging out in @FSF
[01:02]	schestowitz__	 related spaces, watched a guy defending ownership of child pornography as "free speech" while another bragged about how he "no longer wears a mask because he feels like it"
[01:02]	schestowitz__	Makes me really glad I got out 
[01:02]	schestowitz__	Woman shrugging
[01:02]	schestowitz__	"
[01:02]	schestowitz__	"
[01:02]	schestowitz__	If you are curious who these gross humans are, they are the mods and community of TechRights DOT org
[01:02]	schestowitz__	A low quality blog built on dog whistles and a lack of understanding of reality 
[01:02]	schestowitz__	Upside-down face
[01:02]	schestowitz__	Purple heart
[01:02]	schestowitz__	"
[01:02]	schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/rob_musial/status/1387110191057997828
[01:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rob_musial: @L_isaMarie that site is the worrrrst! https://t.co/jvY9eCP9y7
[01:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rob_musial: @L_isaMarie that site is the worrrrst! https://t.co/jvY9eCP9y7
[01:03]	schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/L_isaMarie/status/1387116588021600256
[01:03]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@L_isaMarie: @rob_musial The Free Software Foundation's moral & spiritual advisor At least, that's what they seem to believe 
[01:03]	schestowitz__	Who even brought up CP?
[01:03]	schestowitz__	seems like a trolling tactic
[01:03]	schestowitz__	https://twitter.com/juha_remes/status/1387104122218889217
[01:04]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@juha_remes: @L_isaMarie @fsf This is why rarely go anywhere or socialize with anyone except small circle of friends and family. https://t.co/wK6tx6U8UV
[01:04]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@juha_remes: @L_isaMarie @fsf This is why rarely go anywhere or socialize with anyone except small circle of friends and family. https://t.co/wK6tx6U8UV
[01:04]	schestowitz__	"This is why rarely go anywhere or socialize with anyone except small circle of friends and family. This whole "social distancing" thing became a blessing to me and now I'm pretty horrified to go back to "normal". Most IT folks are fine but there is an excessive amount of creeps."
[01:04]	schestowitz__	MinceR: of note, same people who dislike FSF dislike us too
[01:04]	MinceR	:>
[01:04]	schestowitz__	so I think it's safe to say we're in good company..
[01:04]	MinceR	indeed
[01:04]	schestowitz__	afaik, the whole CP crap was brought up by the same person who rage-quit
[01:04]	schestowitz__	you provoke and then don't like what's happening
[01:05]	MinceR	if they were truthful about the things they said, they'd leave the free software movement alone and focus on their SJW version of it
[01:05]	MinceR	but of course they're just out to serve their corporate masters so they'll keep bothering us
[01:05]	schestowitz__	FSF fired her
[01:06]	MinceR	just like how hatred/ibm had to force former GNU/Linux distributions to become systemd/Linux distributions instead of starting their distinct OS on its own
[01:06]	schestowitz__	"
[01:06]	MinceR	there's also the Gnome project with their "i really hope you're a Gnome application" shit
[01:06]	schestowitz__	Makes me really glad I got out 
[01:06]	schestowitz__	Woman shrugging
[01:06]	schestowitz__	"
[01:06]	schestowitz__	= I got fired
[01:06]	MinceR	:>
[01:06]	schestowitz__	"got out"
[01:11]	schestowitz__	the goal is to bog down the channel
[01:11]	schestowitz__	cause infighting
[01:11]	schestowitz__	waste time
[01:11]	schestowitz__	harm morale
[01:11]	schestowitz__	anyway, good riddance, I guess
[01:12]	schestowitz__	we have some important stories coming
[01:13]	schestowitz__	messed up people recycled as Internet trolls. ex. Garrett
[01:37]	schestowitz__	very sensitive people
[01:38]	schestowitz__	asking loaded questions, wrapping up accusations within them
[01:38]	schestowitz__	that's their skills
● Apr 28
[02:13]	schestowitz__	at the moment, I think, one mean/s towards the goal is
[02:13]	schestowitz__	bring up anti-capitalism and CP
[02:13]	schestowitz__	or just sex in general
[02:13]	schestowitz__	wait for someone to utter something inadequate
[02:13]	schestowitz__	maybe spin it out of context, too
[02:14]	schestowitz__	so the solution is, keep things on topic
[02:15]	schestowitz__	moreover, I think ryan opens up to people who try to derail the channel and move things OT
[02:15]	schestowitz__	hence I've not been replying to him much lately, except when it is about tech
● Apr 28
[03:51]	schestowitz__	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/04/board-of-appeal-relies-on-its-own-cgk.html?showComment=1619459211845#c5109492129130276155
[03:51]	schestowitz__	"
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal relies on its own CGK to support an inventive step objection without remittal to first instance (T 1370/15) - The IPKat
[03:51]	schestowitz__	Those, dear Attentive, are really interesting and surprising observations and I thank you for them. I like your remarks on the different roles of Art 84 and 69 EPC.
[03:51]	schestowitz__	In England, litigation is supposed to be a "last resort". 90% or more declared (court-registered) patent disputes settle before trial, thanks to forensic English pre-trial fact-finding procedures.
[03:51]	schestowitz__	These procedures explore the facts that are disputed between the parties. Mostly, they concern what was the "common general knowledge" of the notional skilled person. If it was easy to determine what that cgk was, there would be no dispute before the courts and heading for trial. as to what was the cgk, there are often differences between the Parties that are decisive for the outcome of the case at trial.
[03:51]	schestowitz__	In a hard 50:50 case, where there is a genuine difference of opinion as to what was the cgk, it is therefore NOT "easy" for an ED or OD to "give a source". So much of the mental furniture of the skilled person is stuff that is so "obvious" that it "goes without saying" (as we say in English). And anything that "goes without saying" will be hard to find with a "word search" or other trawl through a library of books or patent 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	publications, precisely because in the whole of the prior art universe it "went without saying".
[03:51]	schestowitz__	Looking at this case, and the way the TBA handled it, did not the Board give the patent owner more than enough opportunity to take issue with the Board's statement of what was common knowledge? If the patent owner found itself unable to argue in writing against the Board's written assessment of what was the common knowledge of the skilled person, why should the Board, at oral proceedings, have any doubts about the accuracy of its 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	assessment? What's so unfair about the way this case was decided? 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	"
[03:51]	schestowitz__	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/04/boeings-comma-drama-commas-and-taking.html?showComment=1619459340329#c373214409405060125
[03:51]	schestowitz__	"
[03:51]	schestowitz__	@ Anonymous of Thursday, 22 April 2021 at 15:12:00 BST
[03:51]	schestowitz__	I beg to disagree and a more differentiated view is in my humble opinion necessary. Art 84 is to primarily be applied at the EPO. Examination should be such that any claim granted by the EPO should be clear, concise and supported by the description. 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	Should this aim not have been reached, then Art 69 comes into play. The fact that Art 69 exists does not mean that clarity is to be diluted from the start and that we should from the start have to take the description into account. 
[03:51]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Boeing's comma drama: Commas and taking the description into account when construing a claim (T 1127/16) - The IPKat
[03:51]	schestowitz__	I would go as far as to say that if a claim is not clear by itself, then how on Earth is it possible to say that its subject-matter is at all novel or inventive?
[03:51]	schestowitz__	I said it before, do not be surprised that with a woolly claim you face objections of lack of novelty or inventive step. But please do not come with the excuse that when you look at the description your woolly claim is crystal clear and the lack of patentability is not justified. If it is so crystal clear when one looks at the description, then why not bring it in the claim.
[03:51]	schestowitz__	The BA are right when they state in general that Art 69 is not for the EPO, but mainly for post grant procedures. 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	When claims specify parts that have no clearly recognised name, then the best way to avoid an objection under Art 84 is to bring into the claim the more precise definition found in the description. It should not be required by third parties to look first at the description when trying to understand parts of the claims that have no clearly recognised name. 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	I fully understand the temptation to have leave some lack of determination in a claim so as to catch a maximum of potential infringers, but this is not what Art 84 allows. 
[03:51]	schestowitz__	"
● Apr 28
[08:12]	Techrights-sec2	looks like a lot of spider traffic indexing the capsule then
[08:12]	schestowitz__	about 50%
● Apr 28
[09:31]	schestowitz__	earlier on the TR site was hammered again on the news section, /category/news (high b/w, hence a target), so I left tmux on the config file where 3 lines can be uncommented if it happens again (and I'm afk). This also happened yesterday and maybe we can deploy the file swapper on that site too, if it becomes a daily strain.
[09:32]	schestowitz__	I've also expanded a wee bit the log thrasher for gemini, very simple script
[09:32]	Techrights-sec2	https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/terrorist-content-online-terreg-regulation/   
[09:33]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.patrick-breyer.de | Terrorist Content Online (TERREG Regulation) Patrick Breyer
● Apr 28
[16:35]	schestowitz__	well spotted
[16:36]	Techrights-sec2	it just started, there had been calm the rest of the time
[16:36]	schestowitz__	1500+ heavy reqs in 30 secs, usually even hundreds are enough to cause harm
[16:37]	Techrights-sec2	I saw it after it had already gotten up over 1000
[16:37]	schestowitz__	Muppet Labs, EPO, who knows....
[16:38]	Techrights-sec2	They're probably careful to outsource the dirty work these days.
[16:39]	schestowitz__	I recently started wondering about retirement so I can focus 100% on the sites, even if they make no money
[16:42]	Techrights-sec2	You can probably put away double retirement investments for some years and 
[16:42]	Techrights-sec2	then cash out earlier.   Otherwise, most of the other ways are highly
[16:42]	Techrights-sec2	questionable and usually unethical if also at the same time common.
[16:42]	schestowitz__	maybe we could pull if off if it weren't for inflation
[16:45]	Techrights-sec2	It is important to plan ahead for a reasonable amount of inlfation and
[16:45]	Techrights-sec2	other cost-of-living increases.
[16:45]	Techrights-sec2	Repair work is about 4x to 5x these days what it was not long ago, at      
[16:45]	Techrights-sec2	least here.
[16:45]	schestowitz__	for now the job is manageable and I am used to it. Maybe it'll be my last "normal" job. Time will tell...
[16:50]	Techrights-sec2	Best to get more settled financially first.
● Apr 28
[17:13]	schestowitz__	https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/04/zellij-is-new-terminal-multiplexer.html
[17:13]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxuprising.com | Zellij Is A New Terminal Multiplexer Written In Rust - Linux Uprising Blog
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[17:53]	schestowitz__	> Dear Roy
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> 
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> Just to confirm that I will check the two main issues I identified in
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> the previous email: a) Jurisdiction and b) Freedom of expression.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	At one point you may also wish to contact Ben as he too was banned, one day apart from me, for the same reason. It was about patents on vaccines.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	Making up excuses later, along the lines of formality, only obscures things.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	What I said wasn't even particularly controversial. I saw and collected HUNDREDS of articles on this topic since then. Many NGOs agree with me. 
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> As I mentioned, the starting point is the first one, the jurisdictional
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> issue. I will start the enquiries soon and will update you accordingly.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> I may need to ask you at some point for more details or to involve you
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> directly, as I am not personally affected and hence, I cannot show
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> personal detriment for the purpose of appeal, etc. But we will write the
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> letters together.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	Thanks.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> My plan is to identify public bodies, independent regulatory authorities
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> and other governmental/parliamentary bodies that deal with these matters
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> either in regulatory/adjudicating capacity or in policy-making.
[17:53]	schestowitz__	Good. 
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> I agree that the matter is of wider concern, so it is worth pursuing it
[17:53]	schestowitz__	> anyway, but your case is important, as your voice is expressed at a very
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> specialised level that is usually beyond public scrutiny.
[17:54]	schestowitz__	Notice how EPO isn't criticised in the media. At all! See http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/bundestagate-part-19/
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> Please feel free to send me any information or thoughts, as you think
[17:54]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | Techrights
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> appropriate.
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> 
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> I am placing this in my working weekly schedule; I have also other work
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> commitments and will soon have to relocate, but we will gradually build
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> the case for more control on Twitter and for the opening of your
[17:54]	schestowitz__	> personal page.
[17:54]	schestowitz__	Recent and of interest, regarding EPO:
[17:54]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/
[17:54]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/
[17:54]	schestowitz__	Truth is harder to publish then lies. Sometimes...
[17:54]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights
[17:54]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights
[17:55]	schestowitz__	*then
[17:55]	schestowitz__	*than
[17:59]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20587887#28116660865a0139021100505681eeb8
[17:59]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How much did #microsoft pay blogs to commandeer them for #windows spam that's #googlebombing "LINUX" just because they added a small "g" to old crap nobody uses? http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/
[17:59]	schestowitz__	"added a small "g"? is it now WSgL, Windows Subsystem for gNU/Linux?"
● Apr 28
[18:00]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights
[18:00]	schestowitz__	Microsoft wouldn't know GNU even if a live gnu trampled all over it like in Lion King
[18:00]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20583869#bc7a942085f30139021100505681eeb8
[18:00]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The corporate version of diversity and inclusion has become the equivalent of "we value your privacy" in Web sites. They try to portray themselves as the very opposite of what they really are... 
[18:00]	schestowitz__	"
[18:00]	schestowitz__	your call is very important to us
[18:00]	schestowitz__	the lies corps tell us
[18:00]	schestowitz__	"
[18:00]	schestowitz__	Yeah, another one of those...
[18:02]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20558135#41f4cd5083890139020900505681eeb8
[18:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Something bugging you in Fedora Linux? Lets get it fixed! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150161 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines 
[18:02]	schestowitz__	"shall we tell them about misalignments with free software and excessive dependencies on proprietary technologies and corporations, or do they not care that these bug us?"
[18:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | Something bugging you in Fedora Linux? Lets get it fixed! | Tux Machines
[18:02]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20549016#d97a3cc082810139020900505681eeb8
[18:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post?
[18:02]	schestowitz__	"plaincryption?"
[18:02]	schestowitz__	Plainsmission
[18:04]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20442044#657dc70076bc013901e900505681eeb8
[18:04]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Be careful of so-called 'journalists' who are in fact IBM-FUNDED operatives or hacks. I could not some of them, but would rather not make this personal. They'd demonise any IBM critic right now to secure their 'journalism' salary... 
[18:04]	schestowitz__	"I still pity them for having to somehow portray the real struggle against injustice as irrelevant, fringe or personality cult. I expect theyre smart enough to realize, at some level, that theyre undermining their own freedoms. they wouldnt be able to come up with such untestable hypotheses of a supposed monster in the garage otherwise. (background: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CqyJzDZWvGhhFJ7dY/belief-in-belief and 
[18:04]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lesswrong.com | Belief in Belief - LessWrong
[18:04]	schestowitz__	sagans article it references and builds upon)"
[18:05]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20486691#7479d0307bdf013901fb00505681eeb8
[18:05]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post?
[18:05]	schestowitz__	"#somebodyshould create a retraction and apology letter to be signed by people who were misled into signing the hate letter but now can't take their names out"
[18:05]	schestowitz__	Some people still manage to get their names out THIS WEEK:  http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/anti-fsf-petition-flailing/
[18:05]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Anti-FSF Petition of GNOME Foundation and OSI Continues Losing Signatures | Techrights
[18:06]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20311541#a83b8dd069d5013901d300505681eeb8
[18:06]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: cruel system http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-03-17-cruel-system.en.html like having to promote or create #proprietarySoftware to make a living? 
[18:06]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: www.fsfla.org; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-03-17-cruel-system.en.html )
[18:06]	schestowitz__	"
[18:06]	schestowitz__	though freedom or death is a thing, Id hesitate before making that comparison; it might freeze my positronic circuits ;-D
[18:06]	schestowitz__	its really hard to compare. like, if I were to be forced to promote or create nonfree software, that wouldnt put my life at risk, even though Id be miserable and might have thoughts of putting an end to my hypothetical misery
[18:06]	schestowitz__	now, nonfree software is really part of this dreaded system, so promoting and reinforcing it does indirectly lead to more than the evils normally assigned by us to nonfree software, including the deaths caused by that system
[18:06]	schestowitz__	but since there are so many intermediate agents involved, it becomes a lot harder to reason about the broader ethical implications.
[18:06]	schestowitz__	and then, some people (like the .br president) seem to take strong offense upon encountering suggestions that theyre even partially responsible for genocide, so Im not sure Id want to advance such an argument in relation to promotion of nonfree software, even if I were fully on board with it. it sounds like it could backfire and thus not bring about positive change.
[18:06]	schestowitz__	"
[18:07]	schestowitz__	Genocide might be the wrong term unless COVID only affects a particular ethnicity or genetic ("gen"/racial) group
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[18:28]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20486691#a366c0208a730139021d00505681eeb8
[18:28]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turns out, I'm told now ("they don't want any more individuals to sign up for some reason. oddly, that decision came after several people submitted pull requests asking to get de-listed") that the real number of signatures on #RMS defamation and hate letter may be going down. So they froze it. LOL. 
[18:28]	schestowitz__	"and anyone who faces difficulties revoking their signatures please get in touch, I know someone whos eager to do something about it"
[18:28]	schestowitz__	Send me email about it and maybe I can work with that person to do justice...
[18:28]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20549016#5a5689508a730139021d00505681eeb8
[18:28]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I think we need a catchy new term for fake #encryption (wherein states and parties in the middle see everything). Maybe fakeryption? 
[18:28]	schestowitz__	"crypto as in currency >-)"
[18:28]	schestowitz__	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20311541#2a5d41508a730139021d00505681eeb8
[18:29]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: cruel system http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-03-17-cruel-system.en.html like having to promote or create #proprietarySoftware to make a living? 
[18:29]	schestowitz__	"I agree genocide when applied to as diverse a population as the Brazilian one is a bit of a misnomer. I welcome suggestions of more accurate terms."
[18:29]	schestowitz__	Brazil is probably the most racially diverse population in the planet
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