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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jul 28 06:29 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Jul 28 06:29 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 | Jul 28 06:29 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | "Cybersecurity is a hot field and while we've made leaps and bounds in the field, there's also been a growing number of clickbait and sensationalist headlines making the rounds" gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-07-28.gmi | Jul 28 08:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It depends entirely on the working definition "cybersecurity". In 99% of | Jul 28 08:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | occurrences it turns out to be obfuscated bullshit cons to get guaranteed sales | Jul 28 08:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes it's a form of social engineering for sales purposes. | Jul 28 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | social engineering or tricking people | Jul 28 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | or just back doors, likely there by intention | Jul 28 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | soon they will do this with cars | Jul 28 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | "your car no longer receives UPDATES. You might DIE." | Jul 28 08:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Already being done AFAIK, the software is there. It's only a matter of | Jul 28 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | hardware generations before they start to abuse it in ways that John Deere | Jul 28 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | hasn't even dreamed of yet | Jul 28 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | No, it'll be you car no longer receives updates, it won't start. Perhaps | Jul 28 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there might be a high-priced extended life contract available, on a monthly | Jul 28 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or quartly basis, gouging on the prices. | Jul 28 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ubuntu Extended Long Term Support | Jul 28 08:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | But it looks rather clear that they are going to a both a very short service | Jul 28 08:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | life cycle (maybe 5 years) on top of leasing. The latter allows enforcement | Jul 28 08:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of the former. | Jul 28 08:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | 11 years ago I bought a car with my mom | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | almost 12 years | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | the prices were higher than what I was used to (Toyota) | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | Now, if one looks, it's insane price | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | one year's salary savings might not be enough | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | even for a "decent" occupation | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you basically go in and out of work for years just to pay for the tincan that gets you to and from work | Jul 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | teatime | Jul 28 08:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | I finish work in an hour | Jul 28 08:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | one more night, than some days off | Jul 28 08:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am very happy epo examiners are carrying ON with industrial action | Jul 28 08:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | patent grants will sink | Jul 28 08:17 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 08:35 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | looking, but have no index of my own atm | Jul 28 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | along the way: (2019) https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot | Jul 28 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/microsoft-accused-of-locking-out-linux-in-eu-antitrust-complaint/ | Jul 28 08:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | Will your computer's "Secure Boot" turn out to be "Restricted Boot"? — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jul 28 08:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Microsoft accused of locking out Linux in EU antitrust complaint | Ars Technica | Jul 28 08:40 | |
| schestowitz-TR | can you find the url of the uef--related antitrust (eu) | Jul 28 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the: | Jul 28 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | draft | Jul 28 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | ms peter? | Jul 28 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | you previously gave me the ec link | Jul 28 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe arse technically pedo links to that | Jul 28 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.reuters.com/article/microsoft-eu-idINDEE92P08E20130326 | Jul 28 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EXCLUSIVE - Linux users file EU complaint against Microsoft | Reuters | Jul 28 08:41 | |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, that's better | Jul 28 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | you sent it to me around the tiem lenovo escalated | Jul 28 08:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | still looking | Jul 28 08:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The EP and EC sites aren't really indexed | Jul 28 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | mjg59_: maybe you can help? | Jul 28 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are the one who helped Microsoft | Jul 28 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | to squash the complaints | Jul 28 08:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/1-why-switch-to-linux/1-4-uefi-the-microsoft-kill-switch | Jul 28 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | no idea, but still looking | Jul 28 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | 1.4 UEFI... The Microsoft Kill Switch | Jul 28 08:46 | |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe grep Links | Jul 28 08:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | for ec site | Jul 28 08:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was about 2 weeks ago in otherlinks | Jul 28 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-29 | Jul 28 08:47 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking the files here then | Jul 28 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1999-03-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 28 08:47 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I've added those 4 other links in the meantime | Jul 28 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're good referenes for those looking to file a similar complaint now | Jul 28 08:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2013-000162-ASW_EN.html | Jul 28 08:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^ that one? | Jul 28 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | Parliamentary question | Answer to Question No E-000162/13 | E-000162/2013(ASW) | European Parliament | Jul 28 08:53 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I want to make it easier for people to REUSE the previous complaint | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | which I assume chose words carefully wrt the law | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | so that it can be resubmitted more or less | Jul 28 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking | Jul 28 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to make it easier for people to REUSE the previous complaint | Jul 28 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | which I assume chose words carefully wrt the law | Jul 28 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that it can be resubmitted more or less | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes refreshing awareness of the official documents is always good | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/12/matthew-garrett-makes-noise-about-lenovo-attacking-gnu-linux-six-years-after-accusing-me-of-spewing-nonsense-for-taking-action-agai | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | nst-lenovo/ | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The europarl link is only to a statement though and not any official policy | Jul 28 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | [ | Jul 28 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-baronhk.wordpress.com | Matthew Garrett makes noise about Lenovo attacking GNU/Linux six years after accusing me of “spewing nonsense” for taking action against Lenovo. – BaronHK's Rants | Jul 28 08:56 | |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, I've noticed. Maybe that's the one I recalled from other links. | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's better than nothing. | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just hard-linked it in the summary. | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | fwiw. | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF will do something... :-) like selling SBOM snake-oil | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | remembver | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | "they they fight you" | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | we are there now | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | they bleed market share | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we need to fight back | Jul 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just say " | Jul 28 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | "oh, they fight us" | Jul 28 08:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3AC2013%2F346E%2F01 | Jul 28 08:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Q&A there but not more, yet | Jul 28 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eur-lex.europa.eu | CE2013346EN.01000101.xml | Jul 28 09:00 | |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe we should touch the topic, briedly, every day? | Jul 28 09:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | (briefly | Jul 28 09:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | we ought to siolate the MSFT apologists, who are hareming us | Jul 28 09:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and ought not be listened to | Jul 28 09:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | perhaps, but the EU sites are as filled with information as they are innavigable | Jul 28 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | probably on purpose | Jul 28 09:01 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | UEFI comes up again here: | Jul 28 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:C:2014:011E:FULL&from=EN | Jul 28 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eur-lex.europa.eu | Official Journal C 11E/2014 | Jul 28 09:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I will add those two links | Jul 28 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | any little effort to organising the EU/EC web-mess would help visibility/discoverability | Jul 28 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | we have an extensive wiki on this subject | Jul 28 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | with many examples of uefi making security yet worse | Jul 28 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.welivesecurity.com/2018/09/27/lojax-first-uefi-rootkit-found-wild-courtesy-sednit-group/ | Jul 28 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LoJax: First UEFI rootkit found in the wild, courtesy of the Sednit group | WeLiveSecurity | Jul 28 09:07 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2013-000162_EN.html | Jul 28 09:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^ that's probably a factor which contributed to the cancelling of amelia | Jul 28 09:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-30 | Jul 28 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | Parliamentary question | UEFI Secure Boot and European Union standardisation | E-000162/2013 | European Parliament | Jul 28 09:08 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1999-03-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 28 09:08 | |
| schestowitz-TR | Iv'e just mentioned her by name | Jul 28 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | adding linking now | Jul 28 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | adding link to wiki/aard | Jul 28 09:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/documents/downloadPublic?documentIds\=080166e5cde66f8b&appId=PPGMS | Jul 28 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | UEFI is now considered a malware vector, officially | Jul 28 09:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/documents/downloadPublic?documentIds\=080166e5cde66f8b&appId=PPGMS ) | Jul 28 09:12 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | TR warned against the complexity years ago | Jul 28 09:12 |
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| schestowitz-TR | lots in the wiki about it | Jul 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I cannot recall it | Jul 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have recording of a long conference call I had with intekl | Jul 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | never published it | Jul 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | just wrote ABOUT it (summary) | Jul 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | call over landline, so low quality recording | Jul 28 09:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-01-15 | Jul 28 09:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-01-14 | Jul 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and iirc audacity crashed, so I have many small files with bits of the call | Jul 28 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1997-01-15 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 28 09:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1997-01-14 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 28 09:14 | |
| schestowitz-TR | not a large single file | Jul 28 09:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Its the author of the learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org link above available? | Jul 28 09:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^Is | Jul 28 09:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's two authors. David Spring, M.Ed. and Elizabeth Hanson, M. Ed. | Jul 28 09:17 |
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| schestowitz-TR | maybe try to contact them | Jul 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I made a mistake | Jul 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm trying to do all this while stil handing over at work | Jul 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | 20 mins late already | Jul 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | hang on... | Jul 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | adding the links | Jul 28 09:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 09:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news/false-accusations-against-linux-security-continue | Jul 28 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | False Accusations Against Linux Security Continue | Jul 28 09:19 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I think I spoke to him over email before | Jul 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | has he wanted to be freatured in TM | Jul 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | hang on, I'm over-multi-=tasking here | Jul 28 09:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that contact can be used as basis to refresh contacct | Jul 28 09:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jul 28 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, all links you found added to the post now | Jul 28 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we have one anchor for refs | Jul 28 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | did not check all the links | Jul 28 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | work. | Jul 28 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe you can double check | Jul 28 09:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | while IO hand over my shift | Jul 28 09:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | still finalizing links | Jul 28 09:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | the goal should be to make a fresh complaint easier | Jul 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | by giving the complainant what they need | Jul 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to rerepat ion TR every now and then | Jul 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if just using some humour, meme, new daily links on ther topic | Jul 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | brb | Jul 28 09:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes, I think that can be best done by coordinating a little between authors | Jul 28 09:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, officially done with work now | Jul 28 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we have some old (but still working) URLs on the affairs of 2014 | Jul 28 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | some might vanish over the next 5 years | Jul 28 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | not many un-compromised ones left | Jul 28 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | SJVN said Microsot is "Linux company" | Jul 28 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | reminds me of how media treats EPO affairs | Jul 28 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | remember: | Jul 28 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | "then they fight you" | Jul 28 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | if we're the only ones left in the ftrenches to fight back | Jul 28 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we don't risk death | Jul 28 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | then all the better | Jul 28 09:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | we cxan bring up the subject in the context of early august figures from statcounter | Jul 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) showing WHY they do this | Jul 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) remaining to many peop[le how small Windows really has become in the grand context of things | Jul 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | (rianne told me her aunt has no laptop anymore, just tablet and phone) | Jul 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | |(I read this has become common in china) | Jul 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | (in place like indonesia, seems just a phone and "FB" is computing to many people) | Jul 28 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tablet or phone means ultra-passive use of the Net | Jul 28 09:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne mentioned this yesterday | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | when wifi stopped working | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | her aunt maria used toi have a laptop | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but at some stage people stop buying news ones | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | as they barely use these | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | rmemeber: | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | they turn them off | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if they use windows they need toi power it up | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | takes time | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | thewn windows updates | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | hog | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | so windows made computing unpleasant | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | people then associate pc with windows | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and become fatigued | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are other examples like that where one brand gives a bad name to whole product types, not lines | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | by vortue os sucking really badly | Jul 28 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | like taking one hour for system update | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | just cause you wanted to boot and check/reply to email | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | not worth the electricity | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | liam dawe wrote about this in the context of booting into windows for firts time ina while ro ruin some | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | game and then spending ages just to get that done, with windows updates and other woes | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | windows updates is a joke | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like kde neon updating the whole system as it's rolling and basically gets a new image | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | kde neon also deals poorly with ram afaik | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4gb is not enough (what I have on this machine) | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then again, neon is a bit of an experiment, not a "proper" production machine | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I get to play with latest kde plasma this way | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and somtimes do videos showingthe latest srrivals featurs-wise | Jul 28 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | I really need to start hiding the computers here. got some dodgy people a few houses down the road (from the back). had like 30-40 cops here around 10pm last night dispersing a crowd and arresting people, just over the fence from me... some arrivals here (people) ruin the place, but then again it was never crime-free. more details in irc logs. | Jul 28 09:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 09:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | no ambulance at any point | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I heard banging on door or similar | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I can guess they just needed loads of cops to handle a situation | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | which I doubt the media will report on | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | as nobody was seemingly hurt | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so to them it's just "shavs" | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | /*chavs | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | many teens around , no idea why | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe some party turned violenty | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | *violent | Jul 28 09:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 09:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | flashcrowd ? | Jul 28 10:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | fueled by tiktok or whatever | Jul 28 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | tell me more | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | at one point I thoiught | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | why 40 cops | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | shouting at kids | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | around 12 year olds | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | shouting MOVE!!! | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | Go !!! | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the kids thinking twice before going | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe trying to get footage of some bad scene | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like 40 kids | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | then the police pinning down some old men | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know what flashcrowd is in relation to tiktok, but I reckoned the kids were there to observe something | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and that became very very loud outside | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I took the headphones off | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | lots of shouting, not screaming | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | then many police sirens | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the vans kept coming and coming | Jul 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like d-day | Jul 28 10:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | no idea but TikTok actively encourages / trains kids in those ages to engage | Jul 28 10:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in very antisocial and destructive behavior for clicks | Jul 28 10:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | spontaneous mob; recently fueled by SMS nowadays fueled by social control media | Jul 28 10:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | anyway they use their phones to contact their acquaintances, n-degrees out, | Jul 28 10:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and with or without encouragement the recipients of the contact decide | Jul 28 10:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that it'd be exciting to show up on site | Jul 28 10:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Crowd | Jul 28 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Flash Crowd - Wikipedia | Jul 28 10:07 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I decided to not check what happened | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | having already wasted a lot of time, in vain, lasty night | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | official police site, social control media account | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | then random stuff based on keywords in Gulag seatch and Twitter | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it was weird that so many cops were dispatched | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | like d-day | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | payloads of cops | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | unloading officers with vests on | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | while a lot of kids hang about | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | we did have incidents before | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | people banging on doors | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | or shouting at someone | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | often girl and man | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | disputes | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes more then banging | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | but threats | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | or someone shouting at the boss from the outside at night | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | happens on average once a year | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | this one seemed similar | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was baffled by the scene that followed | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | esp. the age of the kids infesting the place | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | many girls, too | Jul 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | not some "scullywags" | Jul 28 10:14 |
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| schestowitz-TR | sheelving for nasltalgic purposes the prototypes we had of new TM | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | running on the pi in the first week or two | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | my backup stacks are getting trickier to deciopher over time | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | mostly because of mental notes that erodes | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. where I put files as a phd student, what machine name, which version if truly latest | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | new-new-new-final.extension | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | i'm very meticulous | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | but as data piles up you can forget contexts | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and names | Jul 28 10:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 10:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it could probably still run on an RPi | Jul 28 10:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I tend to include the date in the file name | Jul 28 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | though it is very improbable you would want to reopen very old latex files | Jul 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | rather than the resultant pdf | Jul 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | i used my site as a more authoritative place for "final" material | Jul 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of profs never did this | Jul 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now they're locked out of their own publications | Jul 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | cannot evern send to a friend/peer their own papers | Jul 28 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | by shelf (sorry, typos) | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I mean setting aside things that are large and I don't wsant backed up over and over again | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the next decade | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | as they're extremely unlikelky to change any longer | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like all the phd-related stuff from early 2000s | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | slim homkedir = faster and leaner backups | Jul 28 11:04 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the filing hierachy on the external disks becomes crucial when you look for something more than | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | a decade later | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and indexing millions of files is not fdeasible | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, so I'\ve put aside the prototypes | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I might also have lots of the raw graphics stuff for TM in there | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but cannot recall file names | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | cleaning up day | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne is back tomorrow | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | her working files (text diectory) is accessed over the Net from Yorkshire | Jul 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and she uses irc for collab | Jul 28 11:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | the total was 108 files, 18mb, not so large | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | do we embrace the mindset of minimal external files? | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. button as css | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | no images for entries | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and no images for categories (ph-nuke/slashdot style)? | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a matter of taste, I added a lot of those things months after taking over from susan | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | the google translate thing at the top was always a privacy trade-off | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | atm, the "search" page is 404 in "new" | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | meanwhile it can link to search in old | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the "new" site it would be wise to not link to Google and instead promote rss a lot | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | everything-as-a-Google-search-bar mindset is gateway to censworship | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it ties you to middlemen | Jul 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for "follow us on" [social control media] | Jul 28 11:10 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 11:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Climate change killing elephants" ☛ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-62323058 | Source: BBC | Jul 28 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbc.co.uk | Climate change killing elephants, says Kenya - BBC News | Jul 28 11:58 | |
| schestowitz-TR | we still donate like 4 times a year | Jul 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne saw the url you sent regarding the crying goat | Jul 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | she cried too | Jul 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not click myself | Jul 28 11:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 11:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sometimes the stories are quite sad | Jul 28 11:59 |
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| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Who Still Gets Vaccinated for COVID-19 in England? Kids Under 12, the New 'Captive Market', Almost 2/3 of New Clients https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/28/potential-market-covid19/ | Jul 28 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Who Still Gets Vaccinated for COVID-19 in England? Kids Under 12, the New ‘Captive Market’, Almost 2/3 of New Clients | Jul 28 17:32 | |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 17:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and by reclassifying it as endemic the public will not adjust their behavior | Jul 28 17:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | nor will the governments encourage people to do so; one of the few hopes is | Jul 28 17:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that /newer/ far more effective vaccines are developed, but those seem to all be | Jul 28 17:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | stopped | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I suppose keeping it in ciorculation helps not just the "travel" and "hospitality" serctor | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | but also AstraZeneca, whicvh targets those "unvaccinated kids" | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, lessened incentive to make better vaccines now | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would "send the wrong message" to billions of early customers | Jul 28 17:34 |
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| schestowitz-TR | ot: will soon be out of "proper" foods and will start nibbling at cereal, soy, nuts | Jul 28 17:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | as expected | Jul 28 17:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | hahahahahahah | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | just chedked twitter analytics | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | the site is so dead | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think they must have lost like 50% of activity since I left in start of March | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | FB too is suffering (you sent links) | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it's a trend, not a brand thing | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope they all bleedy profusely | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and this experiment once known as "social media" won't be reattempted | Jul 28 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's a good trend | Jul 28 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know what will replace them | Jul 28 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the popcorn industry ;-) | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne watched the robertson video | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | I keep telling her youtube is a burning platform (not in these words, elop) | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | she said many of her channel lost a lot in viewership | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | *her channels (ones she followed) | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | that lesens incentive to invest in new videos | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | gulag stopped cpumping capital to moptivate and reward (monetise) producers | Jul 28 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was floated by losses for over a decade | Jul 28 17:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | one can hope that social media is discontinued but given the strong control | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | aspect of it, there is every likelihood that it will be given bailout after | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | bailout | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | youtube is almost over as far as I can tell | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | unless you have bookmarked specific channels, it is almost impossible to find | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | them | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | anymore | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Google seems to rip off uploaders these days and the few youtube videos which | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I've seen lately are jammed full of irrelevant advertising, lots of it. | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | as Lunduke pointed out, having the string "Linux" in the video title is | Jul 28 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a guaranteed way to have it demonetized, and quickly | Jul 28 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | those ads can pay more | Jul 28 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | relevant to what, linux? | Jul 28 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | they'd rather sell holidays and such.. | Jul 28 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I find a date range I can use to make a video | Jul 28 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | to show the muisk affair and how twitter faked the numbers | Jul 28 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | OTA | Jul 28 17:49 |
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| schestowitz-TR | Th video went OK, mentioned how all social control media is crisis control | Jul 28 18:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll do the text now | Jul 28 18:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes I wonder, | Jul 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I could go back in time | Jul 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and tell trmanco | Jul 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | no, no thanks, no identica | Jul 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and instead produce stuff elsewhere | Jul 28 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | since 2009 | Jul 28 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 18:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I fed he monster | Jul 28 18:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | *the | Jul 28 18:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | now there is an obligatiobn to slay it | Jul 28 18:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jul 28 18:42 |
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| schestowitz-TR | <libertybox> rianne_: all we have left now is potatoes - famous last words :-) | Jul 28 18:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 18:51 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jul 28 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | probably would benefit from quoting some figures in the draft showing the decline | Jul 28 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | good idea | Jul 28 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I talked about them | Jul 28 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but need a text summary (ocncise) of the % fall | Jul 28 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | done | Jul 28 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | short draft | Jul 28 19:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | good idea | Jul 28 19:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | I talked about them | Jul 28 19:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | but need a text summary (ocncise) of the % fall | Jul 28 19:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | done | Jul 28 19:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jul 28 19:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of historically--significant info will vanish | Jul 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | just just @realDonaldTrump | Jul 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | baffling historians for these periods of time | Jul 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | LoC quit indexing and archiving this brigademill | Jul 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | seeing no value in it | Jul 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | (anymore) | Jul 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | *not just | Jul 28 19:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes various laws, regulations, and guidelines regarding official communication | Jul 28 19:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | are violated severely through using any social control media in place of | Jul 28 19:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | official channels | Jul 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | tragic | Jul 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | for about a decade political public discourse was done from people's toilet seats | Jul 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | without any consultation with peers, legal advisors, etc. | Jul 28 19:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRD6UA8oeG47N2txr-qyq-gX00En4E_5_-L9CWnSTMwMhDv40RS%26s&sp=1659031910T3a06ae035a53cca305c3978e8aaf20b0f9569de9348e3be8182a1ca1ce55343c | Jul 28 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was meant as a joke | Jul 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | but only "the donald" knows how much truth there it to it | Jul 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe his f* buddy knows too | Jul 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe | Jul 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | and secret service... maybe | Jul 28 19:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there was a lot of speculation and given the only time he could be 'undisturbed' | Jul 28 19:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and alone with his twitter app was probably on the shitter | Jul 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, times of day being like 5am | Jul 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | so not in office and too early for breakfast | Jul 28 19:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not just times of day but from what outsiders said of his schedule and | Jul 28 19:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | when and where he was otherwise prevented from "tweeting"; without adult | Jul 28 19:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | supervision he would likely have been "tweeting" all his waking hours | Jul 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | twitter was, to him, a command and control tool | Jul 28 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | until january ~8th | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | the term C&C was explicitly used by US authorities in re twitter | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | about a decade earlier | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | hence my borrowing of that term in such a context | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | mobilising with hate and disinfo | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | I got menacing emails and cracking attempts | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I was on top of his comments until he blocked me | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was messing with the troops he was rallying | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | and thus became target | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2017 | Jul 28 19:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could get millions of impression by sneaking and holding up at the top of his "comments" | Jul 28 19:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I think that attributes too much forethought and planning to him | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It looks more like a typical twitter addiction combined with visceral outbursts | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and emotional tempertantrums of a (mentally) 8-year-old | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes it looks like it is often used for C&C but by those with the ability | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to plan and have discipline to stay on message | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | He was technically required to unblock everyone IIRC but never did | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | s/technically/legally/ | Jul 28 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | what can I say other than: you were right (not to bother with those shit platforms) | Jul 28 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I remember in airpot I'd feel compelled to go online | Jul 28 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | liuke in dubai | Jul 28 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | to catch up with the trail of notifications and maybe post some updates | Jul 28 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | same in irc etc. | Jul 28 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | pacing down postings as if social control media was the target platform | Jul 28 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it was controlling my life | Jul 28 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the context of football, I saw it mentioned that some high-profile players | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | became too focused on their online presence and therefore could not focus on the games | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and were neglecting some of the training | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the coaches had to explain to them, set that aside | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're here to train/play | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | the addition factor of non-narcotics | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | harned or lowered their potential | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | they saw themselves as celebs, not performers or atheletes | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some comments they receive can harm their morale, not just waste time | Jul 28 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec2 | overal it was the best move though, to not waste time with social control media | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sadly too many adults are addicted and, worse, many young people have *lost* | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | nearly their entire childhoods flicking at the screen instead of doing real | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | things | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep them too | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | however, youth spend far more contact hours with social control media's skinner | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | boxes than they do with either their friends or relatives combined, as far as | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I can discern | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The addiction's foundation is generically designed against your average person | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but the adaptive nature then tunes it to each individual, preying on their | Jul 28 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | weaknesses over time; as many studies show, there is no safe level of exposure | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is not | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | partly because it's designed to be limitless | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | one of the reason I alter urls algorithmically to invidious and similar | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | to remove all that -- as RMS too now puts is -- addictive UIs | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <DaemonFC> " In the video, Mosseri attempted damage control by arguing that more users are sharing and consuming videos so that the company will have to lean into | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | that shift toward video while continuing to support photos." | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <DaemonFC> OM NOM NOM VIDEO OM NOM | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <DaemonFC> KETCHUP!!!! | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] * DaemonFC spits it out | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <schestowitz[TR2]> " consuming video" | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <schestowitz[TR2]> yum!!!! | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <DaemonFC> OKAY, WHO IS THE DEAD CANADIAN ASSHOLE THAT PUT KETCHUP IN THIS!? | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:48] <schestowitz[TR2]> That video was... DELICIOUS | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> MOAR pls!! | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:49] <DaemonFC> I am TRYING to CONSUME video here! | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> on nom nom | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> *om | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:49] <schestowitz[TR2]> "let me put my apron on" | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | Misinformation/Disinformation: "Discovery Engine" = brainwash model for "engagement" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/23281451/facebook-instagram-meta-recommendation-discovery-engine-ai | Source: The Verge | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz The $29 billion hit was caused entirely by the $10 million hit caused by Apple, again. | Jul 28 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Instagram, Facebook to show more posts from accounts you don’t follow - The Verge | Jul 28 19:37 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:44] <techrights-news> Facebook dying. Twitter is likely dead already, just not officially. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/meta-q2-2022-earnings-1235187468/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter | Jul 28 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Meta Q2 2022 Earnings: Revenue Declines – The Hollywood Reporter | Jul 28 19:37 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:44] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.hollywoodreporter.com | Meta Q2 2022 Earnings: Revenue Declines The Hollywood Reporter | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:45] <techrights-news> "engagement trends" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/23281294/facebook-meta-revenue-declines-for-first-time | Source: The Verge | Jul 28 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Meta reports revenue decline for the first time in Q2 earnings - The Verge | Jul 28 19:37 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:45] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theverge.com | Meta reports revenue decline for the first time in Q2 earnings - The Verge | Jul 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:45] <-- u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has left this server (Quit: Konversation terminated!). | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:45] <DaemonFC> "The parent company of Facebook and Instagram saw a 1 percent drop in revenue and 36 percent decline in net income." | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | [11:45] <DaemonFC> schestowitz Malinvestment | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is not | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | partly because it's designed to be limitless | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | one of the reason I alter urls algorithmically to invidious and similar | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | to remove all that -- as RMS too now puts is -- addictive UIs | Jul 28 19:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | whenever people have tried to show me something on "their" phone, it usually | Jul 28 19:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | turns into a bunch of aimless flicking on their part in futile attempts to | Jul 28 19:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | locate what they had seen or thought they saved earlier. I'd say as good as | Jul 28 19:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | none understand dynamic algorithmic sorting, neither the dynamic part nor the | Jul 28 19:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | algorithmic part. | Jul 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | "successful" games have always been addictive ones, played by many crackheads for the longest timne possible | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | based on perceived advancewment, belonging | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | this was imitated by social control media with scores | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | they then started using the words "engagement" and "gamification" | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I realise this around 2016 | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I was in the trenches with wikileaks | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and noticed it felt like we were playing laserquest or somethhing | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | scoring political points | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | There are a few MOOs and maybe some MUDs around still. | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The games were designe to be fun to play, the social control media is much | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | more malicious; from the victim's perspective, it is purely about engagement | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not playing or having fun or even getting anything done | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | anyway, if the picture linked to earlier is not too rude it would be relevant | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | for that or another article | Jul 28 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :/ | Jul 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I already have that (or similar) picture on my drive | Jul 28 19:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I used it several times in the past in Twitter | Jul 28 19:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the hard time was locating these memes on disk | Jul 28 19:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by the way in the draft, near the bottom is a chart, which year is that from? | Jul 28 19:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it is not labeled | Jul 28 19:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok good that you have archived a copy of that image ;) | Jul 28 19:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | EXIF metadata can be searched by various utilities, if the image has been | Jul 28 19:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | updated to contain it of course | Jul 28 19:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | the filenames are IDs | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and no useful metadata | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | some uploaders or file selectors have preview for all images | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | some only for one image at the time | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | some no preview at all | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it's a time-consumign process | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | spent hours of my life just searching for memes in a bag | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | re chart, based on the events named the year should be obvious | Jul 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is even a link re SEC | Jul 28 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | wallstreet will be last to fall | Jul 28 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | after it empties the cookie jar | Jul 28 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | becaause it controls the cookie jar | Jul 28 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | or the regime that claims to have control over it (graft) first, ordinary citiziens will go broke | Jul 28 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | then the corporattions will 'max up' the debt | Jul 28 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and tell us wall street exisrs to protect our "common[sic]wealth" | Jul 28 19:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | those too | Jul 28 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | nothing technical stops you from adding your own metadata as you add the object | Jul 28 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to your own archive, and erase any metadata which might have been there first | Jul 28 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.linux.com/news/how-add-metadata-digital-pictures-command-line/ | Jul 28 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | wallstreet seems to have been bailed out more than a few times in the last | Jul 28 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-How to add metadata to digital pictures from the command line - Linux.com | Jul 28 19:52 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | 100 or so years :/ | Jul 28 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 19:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | india took time to realise what "Commonwealth" means, esp. when your skin is dark | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | make us more tea... no, not serve tea, farming | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | after opium wars china rose better off than india | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | gdp must be like 5 times higher, at least... | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | in 2019 I stopped "engaging" with Twitter (I had already/alwayys posted there indirectly) | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | which means no more memes | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so any metadata work would not be worth the investment | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | the same is true for a lot in TM and TR | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I spend hundreds of hours, maybe 1000+ hours doing with Daily Links what | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | is now automated, compacting the daily lumps | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | hence I can do 3-5 lumps per day | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | at least I can say that, with old TM, I did not significant work on drupal since 2014 or 15 | Jul 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I added images to categories and added a few tabs here and there to enhance the experience | Jul 28 19:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jul 28 19:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | drupal is also a mess | Jul 28 19:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | back then drupal 6 was already barely supported | Jul 28 19:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | drupal is drupal | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | it does what it does | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | for some people it's the only way | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and for some sites | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the sites change | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | the software "evolves" | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | so people start to reassess format-shifting in teh CMS sense | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | some clients of work move TO Drupal | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | TechDirt moved not just to WordPress | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to WordPress.com (WP MU) | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | fine, good luck with that.... | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | marius also uses wordpress.com afaik | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | they register their own domain | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and link that to their wordpress.com (centralised) account | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | it became a web hosting company | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | that censors a lot | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and puts ads in your posts without paying you, daemonfc has told me (I don't see ads) | Jul 28 19:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes in that way one pays a subscription to that company in exchange for | Jul 28 19:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | them maintaining pretty much all aspects of the components and system | Jul 28 19:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there were some other problems too but I can't recall what they are at the | Jul 28 19:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | moment | Jul 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | the ui changes you cannot reject? | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | withoutsystemd complained about these | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | wanted to even move off the platform | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | easy "in theory' | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | from wordpress.com to self-hosted wordpress '.org' | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | florrian mueller and I discussed what it means that he outsourced his blog, fosspatents, | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | to blogspot.ccom and what risks that entails | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | he said the urls were his own | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if he can just self-host proprietary blogger/blogspot (blogger.com) | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | at best, he can replicsate the url structure with some other cms, afaik | Jul 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | florian is selling himself in microsoft linkedin these days | Jul 28 20:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I no longer read his blog | Jul 28 20:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | it does not have much left to offer anyway | Jul 28 20:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | he markets himself to patent "professionals" | Jul 28 20:06 |
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