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Techrights-sec | I re-ran the script manually and got no errors. It must have been | Sep 28 07:37 |
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Techrights-sec | a ntemporary network problem in retreiving the feed. I'll see about | Sep 28 07:37 |
Techrights-sec | putting a test there. | Sep 28 07:37 |
Techrights-sec | It should now be more robust in case of feed errork, but at the cost | Sep 28 07:37 |
Techrights-sec | of two disk writes. | Sep 28 07:37 |
schestowitz-TR | thanks, works great again. I've meanwhile noticed that ipfs failed at about the same time, I'll monitor it this coming night and maybe implement some workaround | Sep 28 07:37 |
schestowitz-TR | OK, the symptoms are not the same as last night. Why this started happening in the first place is a mystery to me, for I have changed nothing. Today is my last shift, so next night I can play closer attention in real time. | Sep 28 07:41 |
schestowitz | lately we have been getting nearly 1000 reqs per day for favicon (context and background in https://index.theres.life/x/gmi.bacardi55.io/gemlog/2021/02/25/my-thoughts-on-gemini-favicon-txt/ it's Lazar's fault). So I decided to put a file there with something rather than return that many errors. | Sep 28 08:04 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-index.theres.life | My thoughts on Gemini favicon.txt | Sep 28 08:04 | |
Techrights-sec | A polite file or something rude? | Sep 28 08:04 |
schestowitz-TR | the users do nothing wrong, no reason to be rude to them | Sep 28 08:05 |
schestowitz-TR | you can have a look | Sep 28 08:05 |
schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/favicon.txt/ | Sep 28 08:06 |
Techrights-sec | Ok | Sep 28 08:07 |
schestowitz-TR | I should be able to be more productive after I finish work at 9am. A lot of what goes under "Patents" in Daily Links I could in theory do many articles about, though the subject became less heated in recent years | Sep 28 08:08 |
Techrights-sec | Strange because patents, especially software patents, have been causing | Sep 28 08:11 |
Techrights-sec | increasing damage to innovation and the economy. I used to be neutral on | Sep 28 08:11 |
Techrights-sec | patents in general and only wanted software patents to stay gone. | Sep 28 08:11 |
Techrights-sec | However, in recent years the more I read about them it seems the more that | Sep 28 08:11 |
Techrights-sec | regular patents are becoming as bullshit as the software patents. | Sep 28 08:11 |
schestowitz-TR | If you try to reform EPO by saying all patents are bad, it's hard to make headway | Sep 28 08:12 |
Techrights-sec | Yes. In the case of the EPO a compromise is needed. The reform is needed | Sep 28 08:17 |
Techrights-sec | in regards to their illegal behavior regarding their (wrongly) granting | Sep 28 08:17 |
Techrights-sec | software patents. | Sep 28 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | you said, "however, that mess is apreading" (to other continent) | Sep 28 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | continents even | Sep 28 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | which is the issue | Sep 28 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | RMS spoke in .au about it | Sep 28 08:17 |
Techrights-sec | On the topic of vaccines, while there is a lot of press coverage devoted | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | to the overall price of the doses, there is /no/ coverage of the role | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | that patents play in driving those prices through the roof. Nor is there | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | much coverage about the publicly funded origins of said vaccines. | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | A few years (acutally more than a few) ago there were several series of | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | articles showing the publicly funded origins of the 'smartphones' and mobile | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | phones in general. Those countered a little of the revisionism that | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | went on about the origin of the devices and their underlying technologies. | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | I recall also at the end of the 1990s that the large business tried to | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | do a rewrite of Internet history, trying to make it look like they | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | had anything at all to do with it and leaving out the DoD and universities | Sep 28 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | completely. | Sep 28 08:19 |
Techrights-sec | Sep 28 08:19 | |
Techrights-sec | The loss of LF hurts because they should be among those working to | Sep 28 08:19 |
Techrights-sec | reform industry behavior. Same for the EFF. | Sep 28 08:19 |
schestowitz-TR | EFF fought swpats when Mark Cuban paid them a lot to | Sep 28 08:20 |
Techrights-sec | EFF has a lot of money now. they could still fight sw patents if they wished. | Sep 28 08:21 |
schestowitz-TR | they never even NAMED EPO, and I brought that up to them | Sep 28 08:21 |
Techrights-sec | EFF has mostly ignored outside the US. I shuold resume reading their | Sep 28 08:23 |
Techrights-sec | "Deep Links" blog but never find the time and on the occasions I do I never | Sep 28 08:23 |
Techrights-sec | find anything interesting there. | Sep 28 08:23 |
schestowitz-TR | I disagree. EFF spent a LOT of resources on EU copyrights, as I noted in articles. They ignore patents at their own peril. | Sep 28 08:24 |
Techrights-sec | I guess they're doing somewhat ok in regards to surveillance, except for them | Sep 28 08:25 |
Techrights-sec | endorsing or encouraging Vista10 etc. | Sep 28 08:25 |
schestowitz-TR | they are too soft on privacy to my taste | Sep 28 08:25 |
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Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, that was kind of the point about Vista10 etc., no privacy. Same for | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | the Apple stuff. | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | However, one big sea change has been that IT has become politics no longer | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | science thanks due to M$ and its minions. So most of what needs to be | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | done nowadays is schmoozing with senators and MEPs. It doesn't help that | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | ICT has become the battlefield for WWIII currently in a cold war phase. | Sep 28 08:29 |
Techrights-sec | The CIA, for example, was planning to kill JA and his associates. | Sep 28 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | exposing EPO secrets and CIA secrets is a different ballpark because the latter is run by violent thugs who take pleasure in torture | Sep 28 08:36 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, my point is that RMS was precient about the importance of who controls | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | the computers via the programs. Now that microcomputers and microcontrollers | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | are in almost everything, control of an unprecedented type can be had once | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | people cede control of their devices. Look at the iPhone13 screen fiasco | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | and the way car and other vehicle software is kept away from the ostensible | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | owner. Even most routers, while based on "linux" of some kind, sometimes even | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | GNU/Linux, are completely ignoring the license obligations of allowing the | Sep 28 08:45 |
Techrights-sec | owner to control or even examine the device. | Sep 28 08:45 |
schestowitz-TR | activelow has a lot to contribute to the discussion about control over things that the FSF does not even speak about | Sep 28 08:46 |
schestowitz | <li> | Sep 28 09:02 |
schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://jriddell.org/2021/09/27/plasma-25th-anniversary-edition-beta-testing-day/">Plasma 25th Anniversary Edition Beta Testing Day</a></h5> | Sep 28 09:02 |
schestowitz | <blockquote> | Sep 28 09:03 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-jriddell.org | Plasma 25th Anniversary Edition Beta Testing Day – Jonathan Esk-Riddell's Diary | Sep 28 09:03 | |
schestowitz | <p>Friday 1 October is the testing day for Plasma 25th Anniversary Edition.</p></blockquote></li> | Sep 28 09:03 |
schestowitz | It took India two days to recover from 2012 blackouts, the article suggests USA could take “weeks” to recover from a similar event. | Sep 28 09:12 |
schestowitz | Why would it take USA longer than India? | Sep 28 09:12 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21648765 | Sep 28 09:12 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● [Old] ● #India #Energy ☞ The Two Hours That Nearly Destroyed Texas’s Electric Grid https://www.bloombergquint.com/technology/texas-blackout-how-the-electrical-grid-failed | Sep 28 09:12 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.bloombergquint.com | The Two Hours That Nearly Destroyed Texas’s Electric Grid | Sep 28 09:12 | |
schestowitz | good question.. | Sep 28 09:12 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21649959 | Sep 28 09:12 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nuclear war will almost certainly happen in my lifetime but we don't know which region and what players. I once read it's most likely #india and #pakistan first. | Sep 28 09:12 | |
schestowitz | "Why is it considered most likely between India and Pakistan?" | Sep 28 09:12 |
schestowitz | I wondered the same | Sep 28 09:12 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17128576 | Sep 28 09:13 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Switching from Gnome to a tiling window manager https://blog.freesources.org//posts/2019/12/switch_to_sway/ #gnu #linux #Debian #sway | Sep 28 09:13 | |
schestowitz | "I too started using #sway recently & liking it !" | Sep 28 09:13 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> blog.freesources.org | switch to sway | Sep 28 09:13 | |
schestowitz | openbox is good | Sep 28 09:13 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21651087 | Sep 28 09:13 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agent_smith@joindiaspora.com reshared: We need concrete protections from [computer programs] threatening human rights ⚓ https://theconversation.com/we-need-concrete-protections-from-artificial-intelligence-threatening-human-rights-168174 ䷉ #theconversation | Sep 28 09:13 | |
schestowitz | "Yeah… good luck with that. :(" | Sep 28 09:13 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> theconversation.com | We need concrete protections from artificial intelligence threatening human rights | Sep 28 09:13 | |
schestowitz | indeed | Sep 28 09:13 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21643990 | Sep 28 09:15 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bosshammer@diasp.eu reshared: These media reports will of course just encourage people to start stockpiling food. When demand grows and supply falls the prices will inevitably soar. #uk #eu #brexit #covid19 #borisnaro | Sep 28 09:15 | |
schestowitz | "Some idiots have been filling random unsafe containers with petrol." | Sep 28 09:15 |
schestowitz | same as in US months ago | Sep 28 09:15 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21643300 | Sep 28 09:17 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google #surveillance "I’ve had this account for well over 10 years and had everything there. When I became more privacy-aware I deleted a lot of stuff from it and migrated to other services but I was finally able to delete it for good" https://mastodon.technology/@weltsnake/106976627736094230 | Sep 28 09:17 | |
schestowitz | "Did the same thing. Went on a deletion spree, meant to continue it the next day and guess what: Google suddenly threw me a message about connecting from ‘an unknown device’ and wanted to ‘verify’ by phone. Except I never added my phone number in the first place!" | Sep 28 09:17 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> mastodon.technology | weltsnake :mastodon:: "I finally deleted my google account :blobdab: I…" - Mastodon for Tech Folks | Sep 28 09:17 | |
schestowitz | Creepy Google | Sep 28 09:17 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21640730 | Sep 28 09:18 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Reimplenting the #Wolfenstein 3D renderer | mcomella.xyz ⚓ http://mcomella.xyz/blog/2021/w3d-renderer.html ䷉ #mcomella #games | Sep 28 09:18 | |
schestowitz | "My public domain game Anarch uses this technique but extended to allow variable floor and ceiling." | Sep 28 09:18 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> mcomella.xyz | Reimplenting the Wolfenstein 3D renderer | mcomella.xyz | Sep 28 09:18 | |
schestowitz | https://drummyfish.gitlab.io/anarch/ | Sep 28 09:18 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drummyfish.gitlab.io | Anarch | Sep 28 09:18 | |
schestowitz | neat! | Sep 28 09:18 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21640488 | Sep 28 09:19 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Those are 20k #google useds, whom you rely on to watch your stuff only if Google decides that it likes you. #youtube = #censorship ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=T6b7a7FBw-0 | Sep 28 09:19 | |
schestowitz | "useds [sic]" | Sep 28 09:19 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> yewtu.be | 【20k Celebration】Q&A And Cringing At Myself - Invidious | Sep 28 09:19 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20916540 | Sep 28 09:19 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #tpp is dead. Why still write about a dead thing? Dead trees to be sold? http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/book-review-trans-pacific-partnership.html | Sep 28 09:19 | |
schestowitz | "Not so dead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_and_Progressive_Agreement_for_Trans-Pacific_Partnership" | Sep 28 09:19 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book Review: The Trans-Pacific Partnership: Intellectual Property and Trade in the Pacific Rim - The IPKat | Sep 28 09:19 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership - Wikipedia | Sep 28 09:19 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21621735 | Sep 28 09:20 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ Imagine Life After #Capitalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/22/imagine-life-after-capitalism/ | Sep 28 09:20 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.counterpunch.org | Imagine Life After Capitalism - CounterPunch.org | Sep 28 09:20 | |
schestowitz | "There’s no life after capitalism." | Sep 28 09:20 |
schestowitz | "We may be about to find out!" | Sep 28 09:20 |
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schestowitz | x https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-28/microsoft-ceo-calls-tiktok-deal-strangest-thing-he-s-worked-on | Sep 28 09:31 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bloomberg.com | Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Sep 28 09:31 | |
schestowitz | # /lots/ of spam on that topic; for some reason there are dozens of such articles | Sep 28 09:31 |
schestowitz | x https://duo.com/decipher/attackers-target-critical-vmware-bug | Sep 28 09:32 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-duo.com | Attackers Target Critical VMware Bug | Decipher | Sep 28 09:32 | |
schestowitz | x https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/science-and-technology/20033-microsoft-will-end-support-for-internet-explorer-in-2022-will-mozilla-be-google-chrome-s-closest-threat.html | Sep 28 09:40 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/science-and-technology/20033-microsoft-will-end-support-for-internet-explorer-in-2022-will-mozilla-be-google-chrome-s-closest-threat.html ) | Sep 28 09:40 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21655765 | Sep 28 10:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #China #cn ☞ The US and China: A Productive Path Forward https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/27/the-us-and-china-a-productive-path-forward/ | Sep 28 10:38 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.counterpunch.org | The US and China: A Productive Path Forward - CounterPunch.org | Sep 28 10:38 | |
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techrights_guest|85 | anybody here? | Sep 28 10:57 |
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schestowitz | > Hey, | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > Just listened to the last UPC podcast, where is your source about the | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > movement in Slovenia? | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > Slovenia has passed the UPCA in parliament, they were waiting for the | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > Brexit issues to clear to send their ratification letter to the | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > Council. | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > I am not surprised there is lobbying there to get the 2 countries to | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > ratify in order to reach the required quorum, even though UK is still | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > in the text. | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > I think their strategy is to lobby 2 more MS and declare that they | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > have to meet somewhere in Brussels quickly to replace UK by Italy in | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | > the PPI and PPA. | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | Re: Slovenia | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | I saw 3 'articles' about them. They are all in Daily Links already. | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | Now they move to German again for more BS. | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | See under the "Patents" section in | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/supertuxkart-1-3-release/ | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | Patents | Sep 28 14:47 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Links 28/9/2021: GnuCash 4.7 and SuperTuxKart 1.3 Release | Techrights | Sep 28 14:47 | |
schestowitz | Unitary patent is coming: Germany ratifies protocol via EU patent court | Sep 28 14:47 |
schestowitz | On Monday, the federal government deposited the instrument of ratification for the protocol on the provisional application of the Agreement on a Unified Patent Court (UPCA). This is considered an important stage on the way to building the planned judicial institution. The agreement on the patent court also forms the keystone of the reform of the European patent system, with which the new EU unitary patent, which has been planned for many years, | Sep 28 14:48 |
schestowitz | is to be introduced. | Sep 28 14:48 |
schestowitz | Latest news and updates on the Unified Patent Court [Ed: Amy Sandys as Team UPC’s unquestioning megaphone. And JUVE has just published a dozen pages of pure spam.] | Sep 28 14:48 |
schestowitz | Only a few days after Slovenia, Germany has also completed the ratification of the protocol on the provisional agreement (PAP) of the Unified Patent Court. As announced by the Ministry of Justice in Berlin, Germany deposited the corresponding ratification instrument in Brussels. | Sep 28 14:48 |
schestowitz | I hope that us tracking those things help others. We have limited capacity as I already speak to some MEPs, who are not particularly helpful. | Sep 28 14:48 |
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schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GordonFbpe/status/1442768482983194626 | Sep 28 18:33 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GordonFbpe: @schestowitz Edward Snowden doesn’t think it’s lies…. | Sep 28 18:33 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/battyjann/status/1442624822769561606 | Sep 28 18:33 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@battyjann: @schestowitz I suggest you should message Unique_cr4ck on Instagram he's real and trustworthy mine was fixed by him… https://t.co/nv94yKHzoj | Sep 28 18:33 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@battyjann: @schestowitz I suggest you should message Unique_cr4ck on Instagram he's real and trustworthy mine was fixed by him… https://t.co/nv94yKHzoj | Sep 28 18:33 | |
Techrights-sec | Could not open 'http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/ipfs-issues/' : 500 Server closed connection without se | Sep 28 18:46 |
Techrights-sec | nding any data back | Sep 28 18:46 |
Techrights-sec | 500 = Internal Server Error | Sep 28 18:46 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IPFS: The Good, the Bad, and the Exceptionally Ugly | Techrights | Sep 28 18:46 | |
schestowitz-TR | can you reproduce this? Maybe load surge at the time? | Sep 28 18:46 |
Techrights-sec | not consistently but there do seem to be more errors of late | Sep 28 19:03 |
Techrights-sec | the load was low at the time | Sep 28 19:03 |
schestowitz-TR | I can only reproduce this at times of backup or when I publish and then post in social control media (big surge for 20 seconds) | Sep 28 19:03 |
Techrights-sec | I've adjusted gemini-fetch-web-page.pl to be less sensitive to 500 | Sep 28 19:29 |
schestowitz-TR | np but we'll have to watch the script a little for how well the change | Sep 28 19:32 |
schestowitz-TR | works. It's a minor change. | Sep 28 19:32 |
Techrights-sec | np but we'll have to watch the script a little for how well the change | Sep 28 19:32 |
Techrights-sec | works. It's a minor change. | Sep 28 19:32 |
schestowitz-TR | I have that cycling in my monitoring on one screen, I can see such problems fast | Sep 28 19:32 |
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Techrights-sec | $ time /home/gemini/bin/gemini-cron-updater.sh | Sep 28 20:14 |
Techrights-sec | system 'wget --quiet --user-agent="TechRights-Gemini-Bot/0.1" --no-directories --no-clobber --retry-on-h | Sep 28 20:14 |
Techrights-sec | ttp-error=500 --tries=5 --waitretry=8 --output-document=/tmp/tempCxH2N.gemini.tmp http://techrights.org/ | Sep 28 20:14 |
Techrights-sec | 2021/09/27/facts-catch-up-epo/' failed: 1024 | Sep 28 20:14 |
Techrights-sec | Script seems to work but not sure which HTTP error the above was. | Sep 28 20:14 |
Techrights-sec | No corresponding log entry in the httpd log. | Sep 28 20:14 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | Sep 28 20:14 | |
Techrights-sec | Oh, well. | Sep 28 20:14 |
schestowitz-TR | Let's hope that as more people use gemini (true) we'll have more than an approximation of the http side. All these trial and error things make it more robust and the code is public, likely of use for people who use wordpresa and mediawiki | Sep 28 20:15 |
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Techrights-sec | User Agent string needs tweaking but that will be later. | Sep 28 21:16 |
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schestowitz | https://www.fosslife.org/understanding-java-naming-conventions | Sep 28 22:17 |
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schestowitz | " | Sep 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | If you’re learning to speak a new language, it’s important to understand the various rules and syntax. The same is true when learning a programming language, such as Java. As Cameron McKenzie explains, the rules for Java variable naming are fairly lax, but the first letter of a variable must be either a letter, dollar sign, or an underscore. | Sep 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | However, Java naming conventions for variables, methods, and reference types are more complicated. In this article, McKenzie outlines those conventions to help you get started. | Sep 28 22:17 |
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schestowitz | links to something from 3 monthd ago | Sep 28 22:17 |
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