●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 ●● ● Dec 28 [00:15] schestowitz-TR2 Had to put the stupid dots back in, at the moment removing them would break [00:15] schestowitz-TR2 things in title scraping of the gemtext. Found a non-fatal warning [00:15] schestowitz-TR2 tracking it down [00:15] Techrights-sec2 Had to put the stupid dots back in, at the moment removing them would break [00:15] Techrights-sec2 things in title scraping of the gemtext. Found a non-fatal warning [00:15] Techrights-sec2 tracking it down [00:15] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, must be late there. I plan to stay up tonight catching up with patent news [00:20] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:24] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@9jw4gist7eai4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:31] Techrights-sec2 np [00:31] Techrights-sec2 patent coverage is very important [00:44] schestowitz-TR2 adding andy's part 4 to drafts now [00:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [00:54] Techrights-sec2 part iv could lead in with a more specific thesis statement [00:54] Techrights-sec2 ok the scripts seem ok now, the one set of warnings is because [00:54] Techrights-sec2 the XML gradually gets replaced/ contaminated by non-XML (gemtext) [00:54] Techrights-sec2 and that bothers the parser module [00:54] schestowitz-TR2 unforeseen consequences of other coding? I still occasionally check the gemtext irc logs for sanity [00:55] schestowitz-TR2 I could use clarity on" part iv could lead in with a more specific thesis statement" [00:55] schestowitz-TR2 I am not sure what you have in mind; I can ask him, we speak like 5 times per day [00:57] Techrights-sec2 not so much coding as the result of mixing and matching XML with Gemtext [00:57] Techrights-sec2 the XML/HTML parser expects valid, well-formed elements. Gemtext is [00:57] Techrights-sec2 an error in that regard. I suppose there might be a different work flow [00:57] Techrights-sec2 to build up Gemtext, but for now the scripts go through a page [00:57] Techrights-sec2 and replace whole blocks of XHTML with Gemtext eventually leaving on [00:57] Techrights-sec2 only the Gemtext. [00:57] schestowitz-TR2 gemini is still young and there's time to improve things, the code is shown publicly in its latest form and sometimes I point to it in case someone wishes to reuse bits [00:58] Techrights-sec2 Thanks. I'm not sure what I have in mind either but have an easier time [00:58] Techrights-sec2 of the so-called inverted pyramid style of writing, so benefit from having [00:58] Techrights-sec2 the key info up top. I don't want to interfere with the writing style (much) [00:58] Techrights-sec2 just need a pointer at the beginning of what thread to follow as I read the [00:58] Techrights-sec2 body of the article. [00:59] schestowitz-TR2 the essay is many unconnected thoughts and experiences, it's not supposed to be very coherent as a whole ● Dec 28 [01:02] Techrights-sec2 Gemtext and XML don't mix. Nothing will change that. An XML parser will [01:02] Techrights-sec2 always choke on Gemtext. The trick would be to build a new document parallel [01:02] Techrights-sec2 to the old one as the old one is deleted, but I am not sure how to deal [01:02] Techrights-sec2 with making the place holders. I guess I could build some complicated structure [01:02] Techrights-sec2 of associative arrays and dump that as text at the end. [01:02] Techrights-sec2 I see, then maybe just a half-sentence at the beginning mentioning that [01:02] Techrights-sec2 it is a collection of thoughts and experiences. [01:02] schestowitz-TR2 I am extending the summary now [01:03] Techrights-sec2 Thanks. [01:05] schestowitz__[TR] Dr. Andy Farnell shares his experiences from this past year -- a sporadic collection of thoughts that can hopefully start a dialogue about unhealthy and unethical trends in today's increasingly regressive if not Orwellian technology; he now focuses on pandemic response and knowledge sharing, as opposed to privateering and profiteering (this includes a modest proposal/critique of some problematic aspects of patent and copyright laws) [01:07] Techrights-sec2 I'll take a break in a bit. Any last minute things? I think the Gemtext is ok [01:07] Techrights-sec2 now. [01:07] Techrights-sec2 I'd like to remove the bullets from the headings since I suspect they may [01:07] Techrights-sec2 be annoying for screenreaders. But that would require a major revision and [01:07] Techrights-sec2 might make scraping even harder later. I'll have to think on that for a long [01:07] Techrights-sec2 while. [01:07] Techrights-sec2 Excellent. [01:08] schestowitz-TR2 my guess is, screenreaders will skip a "bullet" [01:08] schestowitz-TR2 but I never used a screenreader [01:08] Techrights-sec2 Orca might be easy to set up here, but I'd have to rearrange some systems first [01:08] Techrights-sec2 since I want to keep my main system as uncomplicated as possible. ● Dec 28 [02:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [02:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) ● Dec 28 [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] >> Hmmm... you know what? Sod it, I'll publish part 3 now as I want to be [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] >> sure I didn't miss some new edits. This means it'll still go into [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] >> today's bulletin [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > That was fine. [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > But can we hold off on Part 4 until we've talked about it today [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > please Roy. [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > I am just concerned to make it punchy, better balanced and to [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > think hard about what the questions are that are being raised [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > and how they affect us all, not just a _too_ personal take. [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > Speak to you about lunchtime I hope [04:01] schestowitz__[TR] > best [04:49] schestowitz-TR2 o/ gn [04:49] schestowitz-TR2 trying to free up about 500MB on the pi to avoid having to move to external [04:49] schestowitz-TR2 disk [04:49] schestowitz-TR2 I'm near to gettinhg it below 80% disk usage (SD) [04:55] schestowitz-TR2 w00t! [04:55] schestowitz-TR2 available 3gb, usage 75% ● Dec 28 [05:22] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Dec 28 [06:09] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:09] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [07:36] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:36] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:42] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:43] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [08:35] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@yg9nitwdxxwyk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:54] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: see you later) ● Dec 28 [09:09] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:15] Techrights-sec2 since I want to keep my main system as uncomplicated as possible. [09:17] Techrights-sec2 afk [09:17] Techrights-sec2 +1 [09:17] Techrights-sec2 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-dead-voters-georgia-big [09:17] Techrights-sec2 Ms GNU Linux has been unavailable for a very long time. I have now removed [09:17] Techrights-sec2 it from the list of sites to check. [09:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-dead-voters-georgia-big ) [09:17] Techrights-sec2 Notice the highlighted text in the search results. StartPage injects M$ products, [09:17] Techrights-sec2 unwanted, into the mix: [09:17] Techrights-sec2 https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=cran+import+opendocument+spreadsheet+r&cat=web&pl=ext-ff&language=english&extVersion=1.3.0 [09:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.startpage.com | [09:17] Techrights-sec2 - [09:17] Techrights-sec2 https://cdn.c3voc.de/relive/rc3-2021/487/muxed.mp4 [09:17] Techrights-sec2 https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-2021-cwtv-879-stop-general-data-rete [09:17] *TechrightsBN has quit (connection closed) [09:18] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:18] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 i do not see ads in startpage [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 the rollingstones URL is broken [09:27] Techrights-sec2 The RS link is a wrong paste, the buffer is fscked in Firefox. [09:27] Techrights-sec2 Check the startpage search results and note the returned results and the words [09:27] Techrights-sec2 which are highlighed by bold face. If one searches for "spreadsheet", startpage [09:27] Techrights-sec2 spams the results with unrelated "excel" links instead. [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 I cannot reproduce this in startpage on my side but either [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 way we know that this is fake 'pprivacy' [09:31] Techrights-sec2 I should have taken screen shots. Did you try more than the first page of result [09:31] Techrights-sec2 s? [09:32] schestowitz-TR2 no, just page 1, but to me that site is dead [09:32] schestowitz-TR2 at one point it was OK [09:33] schestowitz-TR2 ixquick or the bloated startpage ● Dec 28 [10:02] Techrights-sec2 the EPO hasn't focused on patent examination for a long time. You've shown [10:02] Techrights-sec2 documentation that they have become simply a rubber stamp for a fee. [10:02] schestowitz-TR2 some people focus on squashing UPC at the moment. I focus mostly on showing the disarray at EPO, inc. the Haar affair which discredits the courts there. [10:03] Techrights-sec2 EPC is dead but the EPO and other crooks have to be forced to publicly admit [10:03] Techrights-sec2 it so that it stays dead. [10:08] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:08] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:16] *leah has quit (connection closed) [10:16] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:24] Techrights-sec2 https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-2021-cwtv-879-stop-general-data-rete [10:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-media.ccc.de | media.ccc.de - Stop general data retention in the EU current plans for mass surveillance [10:39] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:40] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:58] Techrights-sec2 https://media.ccc.de/c/rc3-2021 [10:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-media.ccc.de | media.ccc.de - rC3 NOWHERE ● Dec 28 [11:09] schestowitz__[TR] > morning Roy, thanks for the logs excerpt, I will try to address [11:09] schestowitz__[TR] > these points of writing style this morning [11:09] schestowitz__[TR] > update later [11:11] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:11] Techrights-sec2 see the second speaker (patrick breyer) in the cwtv link [11:12] schestowitz-TR2 i saw but id not click play as I am rather pissed off hat xmas was treated as just a weekend [11:12] schestowitz-TR2 I mean, the workload is almost the same as any weeek, I wrongly assumed things would slow down [11:12] schestowitz-TR2 and that I would have more free time [11:15] Techrights-sec2 :( [11:15] Techrights-sec2 people in the US don't even get it as a weekend off; that problem is spreading [11:15] Techrights-sec2 to many countries lately [11:15] schestowitz-TR2 glad that itis not just me noticing that. I ranted publicly severasl times, it gets worse each year [11:16] Techrights-sec2 here shops are now open late hours even on weekends and not just open sunday [11:16] Techrights-sec2 but even long hours. that means that people have to miss life in order to [11:16] Techrights-sec2 show up for a shift [11:17] schestowitz-TR2 rianne right now: "this systems should die" [11:17] schestowitz-TR2 rianne right now: "this system should die" [11:19] Techrights-sec2 yeah but it's being fed by people apparently thinking *they* are getting somethin [11:19] Techrights-sec2 g [11:19] Techrights-sec2 good by using a gig service or shopping during off hours, weekends, or holidays [11:19] Techrights-sec2 they are dselling out at the cost of their colleagues and even themselves [11:19] Techrights-sec2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma [11:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Prisoner's dilemma - Wikipedia [11:20] schestowitz-TR2 I still think mass publication and protected leakers are the way out of this [11:20] schestowitz-TR2 we did have some amazon WBers in the past [11:21] Techrights-sec2 yes but the JA case, and accompanying law changes, is setting things up to make [11:21] Techrights-sec2 that all but impossible. In addition the WWW is in the last stages of being [11:21] Techrights-sec2 locked into a cable TV like state. [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 so we keep moving, shifting to better things [11:28] Techrights-sec2 the trick with shifting like that is to not leave the public behind [11:31] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [12:26] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:30] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:40] *leah has quit (connection closed) [12:40] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:46] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:46] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:52] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@iv9bxb8zekfbq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [13:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:05] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [13:26] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: see you later) [13:57] *leah has quit (connection closed) [13:57] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:59] Techrights-sec2 In order to keep moving like that the public must retain access to general- [13:59] Techrights-sec2 purpose computing so that they may have the choice to move too or not. [13:59] Techrights-sec2 In a walled garden, they cannot communicate outside the fenced area. [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 good point ● Dec 28 [14:00] schestowitz-TR2 "Download Tore now from Appls Store(C), you dirty pedophile..." [14:00] schestowitz-TR2 "Download Tor now from Apple(TM) Store(R), you dirty pedophile..." [14:00] schestowitz-TR2 sounds legit [14:01] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:01] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:34] *techrights_guest|27 (~b129277c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:35] *techrights_guest|27 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [14:58] *psydroid4 has quit (connection closed) [14:58] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [15:45] schestowitz__[TR] > Hi Roy, [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > If you refresh xxxxxx [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > you'll see I have completed PART 4 [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > More structure and a common theme to address the IRC comments [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > Please notive I have marked the major sections in keeping with [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > your daily publishing schedule. [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > Please don't publish past UNFINISHED. I will work through these [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > improving the prose, subject focus and links. [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] > all best and thanks [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] Excllent, thanks a bunch!! [15:46] schestowitz__[TR] Regards, ● Dec 28 [16:09] schestowitz-TR2 draft updates, have a look... [16:21] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:31] schestowitz-TR2 added 2 photos [16:31] schestowitz-TR2 the text was changed a huge deal [16:31] schestowitz-TR2 due to go live around midnight, I think [16:32] schestowitz-TR2 I have put the older version in IRC logs as I had spent some time on it and don't wish to feel like I "lost" work ● Dec 28 [17:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [17:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) ● Dec 28 [18:16] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@cs8xpinft7ju4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:53] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bs7zfy7xzt3k4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:59] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1640624219598#c3404769031165484240 [18:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [18:59] schestowitz__[TR] " [18:59] schestowitz__[TR] Arguing that we shouldn't seek legal certainty in one area because there are other bigger issues in another area is a fallacy. [18:59] schestowitz__[TR] Description amendments put us in a trance because they waste our clients' money and do not improve legal certainty enough to justify the additional costs. When I am prosecuting, description amendments are purely a waste of my time and the client's money. When I am reviewing third parties' patents, it makes essentially no difference to my infringement opinions whether the description has been amended. So what is the point, particularly when [18:59] schestowitz__[TR] the legal justification is so weak? Article 84 requires the description to support the claimed invention, but a bridge can support many cars simultaneously. [18:59] schestowitz__[TR] " ● Dec 28 [19:00] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:00] schestowitz__[TR] I'm a representative, Attentive, but I'm not one of those put into a trance. I am somwhat equivocal about the whole issue of conforming the description. If we see the description as a historical record of what was filed by the Applicant on the filing date of the application, then any effort to conform it to the allowed claims is misguided. Conversely, if the description of the B publication is to be that which informs the task of [19:00] schestowitz__[TR] construing the issued claims, then it should be conformed. [19:00] schestowitz__[TR] For me, the more interesting choice is whether to excise passages of the description or, instead, hang on to them but preface them with words indicating that they are not descriptions of subject matter within the ambit of the claim. I find that my decision varies from case to case, often turning on Art 83 EPC considerations. Sometimes I want to hang on to those passages but in other cases I am thinking that the scope of infringement by [19:00] schestowitz__[TR] equivalent is best optimised by excision of such passages of the descrption. As ever , Applicant has to decide what text goes to issue. [19:00] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1640618793728#c1246003659220456904 [19:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] There is one decision T 1989/18 which goes against T 1808/06 which is the reference in matters of adaptation of the description. [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] Should the president file a referral for every decision which is contrary to another one the legal department of the EPO would only be busy with such matters. This is not reasonable. [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] To me there is one referral which could be useful: depending on the BA to which the file goes, the absence of a measuring method is considered sometimes as a matter under under Art 83 which leads to the revocation of the patent. For other BA it is a mere problem of Art 84 which under G 3/14 cannot be discussed in opposition. [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] This lottery effect should be brought to an end, and if a BA is not prepared to refer the question to the EBA, then the president should do so. [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] The adaptation of the description seems to become kind of fixation that puts representatives in a trance. [19:01] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-end-mad-men-litigation-settled.html?showComment=1640172445379#c6847119686047886775 [19:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The end: Mad Men litigation settled - The IPKat [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] |Actually, Mad Men, the three-time Emmy Award-winning drama, will not return to television until sometime early next year, AMC confirmed on Tuesday, because of a deepening dispute with the shows creator, Matthew Weiner.| [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1640604421423#c768850941176300743 [19:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] There is a lot of discussion on LinkedIn about this decision. [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] There are two distinct threads but both are about the same decision: [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6880822812777443328/ [19:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linkedin.com | Rose Hughes on LinkedIn: Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend | 85 comments [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6880931690655584256/ [19:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linkedin.com | Sebastian Roth on LinkedIn: T 1989/18 (Adaptation of the description/HOFFMANN-LA ROCHE) of 16.12.2021 [19:07] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1640603957985#c306265963017855413 [19:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] Dear Max Drei, [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] I can agree with you that it would help if the description would not have to be adapted to the new claims like in the US. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] There are however two conditions to fulfil: [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] 1) the last sentence of Art 84 should be deleted, and this needs an amendment of the EPC other than by "secondary legislation"; [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] 2) like in the US, the behaviour of the applicant/proprietor during examination should be taken into account. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] The problem is that there is a fluctuating legislation about the doctrine of equivalents. This results to a large part of the refusal of the contracting state to adopt a definition of equivalents in the protocol on Art 69 during the diplomatic conference of 2000. An Art 2 has been added, but the Art 3 about equivalents has been rejected. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] The EPO cannot cater for the various ways equivalents are dealt with by the national jurisdiction and can thus not accept that what is claimed is not really what is claimed but could also be something else. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] By the way the BA in T 1989/18 seems to have confused clarity of the claims as such (first part of Art 84) and support by the description (last sentence of Art 84). [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] Last but not least, it is, at least for the time being, a single decision. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] Should the Guidelines be adapted, it might indeed take quite a while. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] How long did it take to remove the purposive selection in the Guidelines? [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] The three points test = ex essentiality test is still in the Guidelines in spite of the heavy criticism by the BA. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1640596976924#c7796019141511801534 [19:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] For me, this decision is a bolt out of the blue but, on reflection, perhaps we should have been expecting it. Striking out the requirement for strictly conforming the description to the allowed claims will deliver a huge boost (to use the technical term de jour) to efficiency at the EPO. Such a huge uplift in efficiency would clear the way for management to reduce the numbers of highly paid EPo Examiners quite considerably. Besides, the [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] Americans don't do it, and their courts can still manage to do patent litigation, so why should we Euro's worry, eh? [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] One would have thought that Boards of Appeal are unswayed by thoughts about efficiency. Not any more though. The topic seems to weigh more and more heavily in their delibarations. Perhaps the members of this deciding Board are all still young, in tune with the times, and at this stage of their career within the EPO find thoughts about improving efficiency particularly persuasive. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] Meanwhile, if past performance is any guide to the immediate future, we shall all have to continue delivering strict conformity, that is, until the Examiners' Bible, The Guidelines, suffers its next revision by management. [19:08] schestowitz__[TR] " [19:09] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1640615634712#c5594854956463181890 [19:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [19:09] schestowitz__[TR] "Shouldn't this pave the way for a further referral by the President to the EBoA? Clearly, conflicting decisions by different Boards concerning a point of fundamental nature." [19:46] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Dec 28 [20:36] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting) [20:36] schestowitz__[TR] https://nitter.eu/43blah/status/1475844054273470464 [20:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://nitter.eu/43blah/status/1475844054273470464 ) [20:36] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/43blah/status/1475844054273470464 [20:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@43blah: @schestowitz Ioannidis estimated the Diamond Princess IFR at 0.125%, with a range 0.025% to 0.625% with several cav https://t.co/O5pz2OlshD [20:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@43blah: @schestowitz Ioannidis estimated the Diamond Princess IFR at 0.125%, with a range 0.025% to 0.625% with several cav https://t.co/O5pz2OlshD [20:36] schestowitz__[TR] "Ioannidis estimated the Diamond Princess IFR at 0.125%, with a range 0.025% to 0.625% with several caveats. By 2/21 before vaccinates were widely in effect, the U.S. had a CFR of ~1.72% or an IFR ~0.43% assuming the CDC's est of 4 infections per case. His estimates held up well." [20:37] *Seaduck| has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/DavidMo34997598/status/1475822321747304454 [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DavidMo34997598: @schestowitz https://t.co/6UvexDcsGv [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DavidMo34997598: @schestowitz https://t.co/6UvexDcsGv [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] https://nitter.eu/ikan154/status/1475802320352862209 [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://nitter.eu/ikan154/status/1475802320352862209 ) [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] " [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] Thank you so much. I truly appreciate the team's great job and the wonderful product. It's been my pleasure [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] Wish you guys wonderful year ahead! [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] " [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/ashik_your/status/1475785245676896261 [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ashik_your: @schestowitz https://t.co/eAGEvd009I [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ashik_your: $750 Walmart gift card Free!!! Online Foor Canadian citizen! If you interested, Click Here>https://t.co/ZUBCcKs3GG https://t.co/e8JbYhnNWe [20:37] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/kevens/status/1475771423897567235 [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kevens: @schestowitz This one is for Mother Nature. https://t.co/Xo0cB4ilxx [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Kvens - World Is Burning (Official Music Video) - YouTube [20:38] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/GyroWaveGen_TM/status/1475665067576381449 [20:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GyroWaveGen_TM: @schestowitz You want to bust a 21st century patent by paying 1960's wages?!!! Ever hear of inflation people? [20:38] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/GyroWaveGen_TM/status/1475664612666265606 [20:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GyroWaveGen_TM: @schestowitz Make that $20K plus a small percentage of any recovery & I 'might' help out! [20:38] schestowitz__[TR] https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1475600081915162630 [20:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz <1.js><2.js><3.js> [20:44] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:50] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [21:39] schestowitz__[TR] " [21:39] schestowitz__[TR] All indicators show that we, as a society, will be facing one of the most disruptive health challenges ever. Clearly the coming months will be tough for all of us. If EPO management wants staff to soldier on during the current crisis, it will need to do better itself. We expect senior management to: [21:39] schestowitz__[TR] - recognise that the corona pandemic will inevitably have an impact on the operation of the EPO, its production and services, for which the staff will not be held responsible [21:39] schestowitz__[TR] - foresee supportive measures like favourable conditions for part-time working and special leave in order to take care of children that are at home and/or for family members in need [21:39] schestowitz__[TR] - abandon or at least postpone the introduction of further reforms that will have a negative impact on staff working conditions and instead reward staff for its commitment and high performance over many years [21:39] schestowitz__[TR] " [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] " [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues, [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] Mr Campinos had announced, in his Communiqu of 30.10.2018, that he would work [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] towards amicable settlements. SUEPO, FICSA and the Union Syndicale Fdrale [21:46] schestowitz__[TR] (USF) wrote to the President and the Administrative Council 1 , calling for proper [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] solutions for all staff representatives and SUEPO officials targeted by Battistelli & co, [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] including those dismissed. Dr Bausch advocated for an amnesty in a post on [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] Kluwer Patent Blog in May 20192. [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] As we write these lines, three cases of unfairly sanctioned former staff [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] representatives and/or union officials remain unresolved: [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] Aurlien Ptiaud and Michael Lund, former nominees of the CSC in the [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] Appeals Committee, were both downgraded by Mr Battistelli for their activities [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] in the Appeals Committee; [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] Laurent Prunier, former member of the CSC and Secretary of the SUEPO [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] Committee The Hague, was dismissed by Mr Battistelli after years of [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] deliberate targeting by a handful of EPO top officials. [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] Although Mr Campinos took office more than 18 (!) months ago, he has so far failed [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] to heal the most hurtful wounds of the Battistelli era. Laurent remains dismissed. No [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] settlement has been reached. It is about time that Mr Campinos shows his ability [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] to clean the slate he inherited from his predecessor once and for all. [21:47] schestowitz__[TR] " ● Dec 28 [22:54] schestowitz__[TR] The Financial Survey: A divisive exercise [22:54] schestowitz__[TR] Mr Campinos has asked you to inform your team manager which of the financial measures 1 to 10 have your support. This question is wrong at many levels. [22:54] schestowitz__[TR] [22:54] schestowitz__[TR] Our comments and recommendation can be found in this publication. ● Dec 28 [23:30] *buzzert_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:48] *Seaduck- has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) [23:49] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:50] *buzzert (~buzzert@zmgw33tt22mkn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell