●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 ●● ● Dec 28 [00:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [01:10] techrightssec2 s/frivolous surveillance/frivolous harrassment/ ? [01:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Dec 28 [04:09] schestowitz-TR with the spare time I've decided to devote some to explaining and showing what linuxhint has been up to [04:09] schestowitz-TR drafts for 5am (misnight server time) ● Dec 28 [05:28] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.pussthecat.org/StigmabaseN/status/1607696099300765696#m [05:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.pussthecat.org | Stigmabase | NORDIC (@StigmabaseN): "TW : Witch-hunts Backfiring: Koala Charities Leveraged by Sirius Open Source as a Weapon Against the...: ...relative she has in the UK, had been diagnosed with an aggressive cancer and may need holidays to be confirmed (as many... http://dlvr.it/Sg0JqW" | Nitter | PussTheCat.org [05:44] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:44] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [06:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[09:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:37] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Dec 28 [10:22] techrightssec2 Is this site legitimate? https://www.opensourceforu.com/2022/12/more-shell-programming-secrets-nobody-talks-about [10:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.opensourceforu.com | More Shell Programming Secrets Nobody Talks About [10:23] schestowitz-TR i wondered the same a week agoi [10:23] schestowitz-TR it's a very weird site, but hit and miss [10:23] schestowitz-TR don't think it is automated [10:41] schestowitz-TR seems like msft layoffs rumours intensify [10:41] schestowitz-TR based on web traffic in TR [10:41] schestowitz-TR msft might delay to "prove" the rumours 'wrong' [10:41] schestowitz-TR but it's coming [10:41] schestowitz-TR https://www.opensourceforu.com/2022/12/more-shell-programming-secrets-nobody-talks-about More Shell Programming Secrets Nobody Talks About [10:46] techrightssec2 Overall layoffs at M$ are good but a harmful sideeffect is that the scum find [10:46] techrightssec2 other employers and carry m$ toxic culture and products over to their new [10:46] techrightssec2 paymasters, effectively still working for m$ [10:46] techrightssec2 One can hope... [10:46] techrightssec2 "talent" [10:46] schestowitz-TR some are on visa and not many companies hire [10:46] schestowitz-TR so the "dead weight" might end up almost nowhere [10:46] schestowitz-TR or so one can hope...nobody wants "WINDOWS TALENT" [sic] [10:46] schestowitz-TR esp. now with constrained budgets [10:48] schestowitz-TR look at it like this, [10:48] schestowitz-TR where would you rather have them? [10:48] schestowitz-TR in msft or outside? [10:48] schestowitz-TR death is not an option [10:48] schestowitz-TR is msft gets smaller, that's a plus [10:48] schestowitz-TR i've just realises andy's series does not talk much about free softwware [10:48] schestowitz-TR it looks at the dystophia from another level [10:57] techrightssec2 not sure, it'd be best if there were a way to rehabilitate them but they lack [10:57] techrightssec2 the mindset for computing and the ethics as well, so maybe outside of any [10:57] techrightssec2 part of ICT and, especially, education would be enough distance ● Dec 28 [11:17] techrightssec2 Perhaps each segment can include a mention of how FOSS is useful in mitigating [11:17] techrightssec2 or even reversing the dystopian trends. [11:17] schestowitz-TR nuclear fusion hype https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/28/nuclear-fusion-dont-believe-the-hype/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Nuclear Fusion: Dont Believe the Hype! - CounterPunch.org [11:26] schestowitz-TR opium... "He is partly right. Not only do governments invest in sports as a form of distraction" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/28/on-football-opium-and-popular-resistance-not-all-sports-are-created-equal/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-On Football, Opium and Popular Resistance: Not All Sports Are Created Equal - CounterPunch.org [11:36] schestowitz-TR is there still a way to retrieve paragraphs from bodies in commondreams [11:36] schestowitz-TR they seem to have changed something over xmas, not it's empty like in truthout [11:37] schestowitz-TR *now it's empty [11:37] schestowitz-TR some other sites are too, but since ages ago [11:48] techrightssec2 Checking [11:48] techrightssec2 Thanks for spotting that. It should work correctly starting with tomorrow's feed, they had changed some of the c [11:48] techrightssec2 lasses involved but otherwise the structure [11:48] techrightssec2 was the same. [11:48] techrightssec2 Which others need correction? As always scraping is brittle so if a single [11:48] techrightssec2 letter or number changes in the wrong place, the script misses the information. [11:51] schestowitz-TR Thanks, I think counterpunch still picks par 2-3 due to some old campaign that occupied par 1 ● Dec 28 [12:01] techrightssec2 Checking, again [12:07] schestowitz-TR maybe we could add some more [12:07] schestowitz-TR but I'm not sure which [12:07] schestowitz-TR many are not updating often [12:07] techrightssec2 ok, counterpunch is now updated and the effects will be seen next time [12:07] techrightssec2 thanks for spotting that one too [12:08] schestowitz-TR going to ahve Daily Links soon [12:08] schestowitz-TR more topics would help, might cover andy's thing too [12:18] techrightssec2 FOSS is useful in mitigating or even reversing the dystopian trends. [12:18] techrightssec2 ^ topic ? [12:19] schestowitz-TR yes, I will tackle this angle and tell soms of my old stories of "IT dept" in universities [12:19] schestowitz-TR they were awful in the later years [12:19] schestowitz-TR flunkies basically [12:34] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [12:47] techrightssec2 corporate flunkies working against the university, and double handful of [12:47] techrightssec2 resellers too ● Dec 28 [14:13] techrightssec2 The Manjaro link in "other" shows some persistent misunderstandings, [14:13] techrightssec2 misinformation about the very nature of sw patents. Same for the latest [14:13] techrightssec2 Brodie video in the same batch. Submarine patents are a threat for their [14:13] techrightssec2 entire life cycle and unlike trademarks don't have to be enforced to be [14:13] techrightssec2 kept valid. Like with GIF / LZW a standards-essential patent can be allowed and [14:13] techrightssec2 even encouraged to spread far and wide so as to maximize the amount of money [14:13] techrightssec2 harvested in the shakedown when the patent is enforced for the first time. [14:13] techrightssec2 ^ topic ? [14:13] techrightssec2 (and RMS is right about "IPR" being not only a misnomer but intentionally [14:13] techrightssec2 confusing people on the separate topics) [14:17] schestowitz-TR thanks, otax3 [14:17] psydruid how do these (western) patents hold up in countries like India, China and Russia? [14:32] schestowitz-TR icbm lobbying india [14:32] schestowitz-TR microsoft also [14:32] schestowitz-TR and using IAM and other rags to shame those countries [14:33] schestowitz-TR to assimilate [14:49] schestowitz-TR done, writing now... [14:49] schestowitz-TR x3 [14:49] techrightssec2 ack [14:53] psydruid I would declare those companies "compania non grata" [14:53] psydruid they don't do anything for India, but obey their US masters instead [14:58] schestowitz-TR thanks, I might quote you on that [14:58] schestowitz-TR made 3 videos [14:58] schestowitz-TR one about swpats [14:58] schestowitz-TR i think debian does not play ball because it's not in the US per se [14:59] schestowitz-TR taking account of SPI and Murdock, it would seem USian [14:59] schestowitz-TR but many devs are european ● Dec 28 [15:01] techrightssec2 ack [15:18] schestowitz-TR draft [15:45] schestowitz-TR just realised aral went under the radar for months [15:45] schestowitz-TR added second draft while encoding still happening... [15:53] schestowitz-TR fediverse = NO GO! [15:53] schestowitz-TR "I HAVE THINGS TO DO!" [15:53] schestowitz-TR btw, today I found out "my" bank has a 'web site' that's also "app" [15:53] schestowitz-TR could not send money with rianne's JS blocker enabled [15:53] schestowitz-TR it just gave some cryptic error message [15:54] schestowitz-TR time wasted [15:54] schestowitz-TR they think MOAR JS = MOAR security [15:54] schestowitz-TR and the bank wants to allow 13 (!!!!!!) domains to run things!! [15:54] schestowitz-TR what if one of them sduffered a beach? [15:54] schestowitz-TR or rogue insider? [15:54] schestowitz-TR or... [15:54] techrightssec2 I noticed that a while back. He usually posts just past the middle of the month [15:54] techrightssec2 each month. [15:54] techrightssec2 Maybe there is something in the fediverse but that's a javascript-only "app" [15:54] techrightssec2 nowadays [15:57] techrightssec2 If you check the depencency tree of the fully loaded "app" you [15:57] techrightssec2 If you check the depencency tree of the fully loaded "app" you will probably [15:57] techrightssec2 find many external domains and dozens of javascripts. :/ [15:57] techrightssec2 will probably [15:57] techrightssec2 find many external domains and dozens of javascripts. :/ [15:57] techrightssec2 If you check the depencency tree of the fully loaded "app" you will probably [15:57] techrightssec2 find many external domains and dozens of javascripts. :/ [15:59] schestowitz-TR later they drone on and on about "supply chain" [15:59] schestowitz-TR the real solution is [15:59] schestowitz-TR as eu puts it [15:59] schestowitz-TR self-host fonts and the like [15:59] schestowitz-TR stop bouncing peoople back and forth [15:59] schestowitz-TR but the people who went to "uni" learned frameworks [15:59] schestowitz-TR and they lump them in [15:59] schestowitz-TR that bouncing ball animiation might be a spurious framework [15:59] schestowitz-TR all sorts of effects whose function does not justify the added risk and bloat [15:59] techrightssec2 Precisely [15:59] schestowitz-TR that will cause carbon emissions ● Dec 28 [16:02] techrightssec2 The more javascript is used the more bandwidth is consumed fetching the [16:02] techrightssec2 frameworks and such *and* the more CPU is used on the client. Rather than [16:02] techrightssec2 putting things server side, which can be more efficient overall in some cases, [16:02] techrightssec2 the dogma is to push as much onto the clients as possible. [16:02] schestowitz-TR edge computing = do things at the client side [16:02] schestowitz-TR clown computing = outsource everything, send js crap to the client side [16:02] schestowitz-TR abandoned = take a task and do it at the server end [16:02] schestowitz-TR they have another term for that, ee.g. "data mining" or "big data" or "data science" [16:02] schestowitz-TR HEY HI ● Dec 28 [17:05] techrightssec2 ack [17:31] schestowitz-TR TM traffic leapt about 20% compared to prior months [17:31] schestowitz-TR did not check why, does not matter much, but it's an encouraging sign [17:32] schestowitz-TR good for morale ● Dec 28 [20:50] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:51] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [21:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:05] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [21:06] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:25] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wuv7v3xznq7pn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:29] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:30] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 28 [22:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)