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| Techrights-sec | restarting httpd | Mar 29 06:11 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I don't think montastic even noticed, well caught | Mar 29 06:11 |
| Techrights-sec | It was less than 3 minutes but long enough to not just set off the visible alarm | Mar 29 07:12 |
| Techrights-sec | but also the audio alarm | Mar 29 07:12 |
| Techrights-sec | The http server had completely stopped serving files by then. | Mar 29 07:12 |
| Techrights-sec | s/3/8/ | Mar 29 07:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | see draft | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was about to post the talk about gemini | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | then I realised there was a mixup at libreplanet | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | they put the wrong video in there | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure if they will noptice and correct this | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I leave it as a draft for now | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the talk they link to got 'swapped' over | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | but if I link to these there is a risk the link would break | Mar 29 09:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | once they spot and correct the issue | Mar 29 09:44 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 29 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | The Alevropoulos video is wrong? | Mar 29 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | The bandali post needs a longer more informative summary and the "here" link needs proper text. | Mar 29 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | no, the one in drafts | Mar 29 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | The material in the Anchor element should be informing about what the link it | Mar 29 09:47 |
| Techrights-sec | goes to contains. | Mar 29 09:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was going to expand, to watch the talk, but then I stopped | Mar 29 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | it turned out they mixed up the videos last night, 4 hours ago is like 11pm in boston | Mar 29 09:48 |
| Techrights-sec | It's heading towards 5 am there | Mar 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | the video was uploaded 4-5 horus ago | Mar 29 09:49 |
| Techrights-sec | so if they uploaded it at midnight or thereabouts the people who did so are | Mar 29 10:02 |
| Techrights-sec | most likely asleep and will not be up any time soon | Mar 29 10:02 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I pressed alt+f4 in wrong screen | Mar 29 11:21 |
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| schestowitz-TR | > "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ | Mar 29 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news | Mar 29 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: news; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://news ) | Mar 29 16:14 | |
| schestowitz-TR | .netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html | Mar 29 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | > "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ | Mar 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news | Mar 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | .netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html | Mar 29 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, their market share is dimishing rather steadily. Depending on whether one | Mar 29 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec | includes mobile phones and tablets in the metrics, their market share on the | Mar 29 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec | desktop has plummeted. Annoyingly, because they still have the desktop / laptop | Mar 29 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec | OEM monopoly lots of people who should know better assume that they have a | Mar 29 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec | similar presence in all the markets rather than being a no-show in several | Mar 29 16:15 |
| Techrights-sec | and pathetically weak in the rest. | Mar 29 16:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | we have more freesw challenged than ever before | Mar 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | libreopffice covers a broad range of issues | Mar 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | that I could noot explain myself | Mar 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | I still wait for the mediagolbin admin | Mar 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | to correct the link to the smolweb talk | Mar 29 16:16 |
| Techrights-sec | the netcraft survey points out the problem of cloudflare, too | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | I plan to listen to that talk if the link gets updated | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | """ | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 active s | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | ites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million. | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | """ | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | Losing >7% of the sites, but which kind of site ? Parked, or top million, or | Mar 29 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | what? | Mar 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | i did 3 or 4 very lengthy videos about netcraft, some over an hour long | Mar 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I covered all those aspects, even several times over | Mar 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | parked aside, numbere of servers is a misleading metric | Mar 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | we both know why | Mar 29 16:18 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, that's why it is important to ignore the parked domains | Mar 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are opposites actually | Mar 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | for parked, number of domains is misleading | Mar 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | for sites, noumber of servers | Mar 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | as Windows needs more boxes the accomplish the same | Mar 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it can sem more dominant than it actually is | Mar 29 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | assuming north korea hots some web servers not accessible outside the country, | Mar 29 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | the likelihood of those running windows os similar is 0 or minus :-) | Mar 29 16:21 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, there are many windows servers per single domain even | Mar 29 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | giving a false impression | Mar 29 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | on top of that, a bad problem, is the number of assholes^Wwindows admins needed | Mar 29 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | to operate those machines. There are /so/ many situations where the | Mar 29 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | asshole^Wwindows admin has to be physically on side to do softare and system | Mar 29 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | maintenance | Mar 29 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | not joking here, | Mar 29 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, some years back there were repports about microsofters staying and sleeping | Mar 29 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | on site, literally | Mar 29 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think when lockdowns started | Mar 29 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | the unix folks could go home and ssh | Mar 29 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft has a whole different set of challenges | Mar 29 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, but managers love that situation, especially petty empire builders | Mar 29 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec | M$ is a staffing problem not a technology | Mar 29 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec | M$ "servers" require frequent heroic efforts to get running and bring them | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | back up after frequent outages, instead of punishing the staff or managers | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | they are patted on the back for effort. Whereas with UNIX a small number of | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | staff can keep several orders of magnitude more servers and desktops running | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | for less effort. Yet get no recognition for using the technology as a force | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | multiplier. GNU/Linux and the UNIXes do not help build empires out of | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | pissant departments. | Mar 29 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | also the UNIXes follow a written tradition with documentation and all | Mar 29 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | the M$ shit is a jumbled hodgepodge of irrelevant and wrong descriptions | Mar 29 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | the only way to get things running is to be indoctrinated orally and that | Mar 29 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | allows them to apply a defacto loyalty test in the process. If you run other | Mar 29 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | systems, they won't pass on as much as is needed or may not any at all. | Mar 29 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | netcraft *hates* self hosting | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | wrong | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the Web hates iot | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the browser hates it | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the government hates it | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | etc etc | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | netcraft is just part of that | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I say, let's move away from the web | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | to the extent feasible | Mar 29 16:34 |
| Techrights-sec | yeah netcraft is just following along, I noticed they stopped providing OS | Mar 29 16:34 |
| Techrights-sec | information once it was seen that M$ was not relevant in the server market | Mar 29 16:34 |
| Techrights-sec | for the most part | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think you can still see it or could when I last checked | Mar 29 16:34 |
| Techrights-sec | there is a little of it left but nowhere near as accessible or as prominent | Mar 29 16:35 |
| Techrights-sec | as a long time ago when it was a main part of each report | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | are you sure you are not conflating this with their monthly most reliable hosts report, where top 10 is usually all gnu/linux an | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | d maybe 1 freebsd? | Mar 29 16:35 |
| Techrights-sec | not conflating, there used to be OS info in the montly reports too | Mar 29 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | can you check the archives they have? | Mar 29 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would be funny to show windows falling and fallking | Mar 29 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then the OS thing dropped altogether | Mar 29 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would make a strong point in visual terms | Mar 29 16:36 |
| Techrights-sec | there's not a consistend naming scheme for the URLs | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | It looks like it may only go back to 2007. The 2007 Feb survey as a link to | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | Sept 2002, but that link is dead: | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/02/02/february_2007_web_server_survey.html | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html | Mar 29 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | February 2007 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News | Mar 29 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | Web Server Survey | Netcraft News | Mar 29 16:39 | |
| schestowitz-TR | internet archive? | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | as are the platform groupings: | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200702/platform.html | Mar 29 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec | even from 2007 | Mar 29 16:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | as i remembered it, they focused on the server software and not OS in these reports | Mar 29 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2007 | Mar 29 16:41 |
| Techrights-sec | correct but the OS was featured more to hype M$ | Mar 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | try wayback machine? | Mar 29 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | to make the point? | Mar 29 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, beat me to it | Mar 29 16:43 |
| Techrights-sec | https://web.archive.org/web/20060326073803/http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html | Mar 29 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Netcraft Web Server Survey | Mar 29 16:43 | |
| schestowitz-TR | so this old report does not show OS over time | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | it does mention solaris along the way | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | in an unflattering way | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | even in recent years the OS used was shown for pertinent sites | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | but with CDNs and reverse proxies it as hard to figure out what | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | really ran sites | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes you can guess, but wrongly | Mar 29 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec | The "What's that Site Running?" service also used to feature OS reports IIRC | Mar 29 16:46 |
| Techrights-sec | https://web.archive.org/web/20060101000000*/http://survey.netcraft.com/whats | Mar 29 16:46 |
| Techrights-sec | Netcraft increasingly shifted the content and bias of their reports to boost M$ | Mar 29 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine | Mar 29 16:46 | |
| Techrights-sec | they changed URLs for the service at least once | Mar 29 16:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could go to top level domain in AI and then navigate from there to find it | Mar 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I only started paying attention to netcraft around 2006 | Mar 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | or 2005 rather | Mar 29 16:48 |
| Techrights-sec | that's around the time I stopped and gave up on Netcraft | Mar 29 16:49 |
| Techrights-sec | They did not appear to like that Apache was close to 80% of the market | Mar 29 16:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | those firms are like palamida | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | or black duck | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | their interests are not what they want you to trhink | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | like tracking gplv3 adoption | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | for them to profit they need a partner | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | or to become a shill | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | like redmonk the |analysts| | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | so when I asked rms about palamida in 2007 he said | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | to me he was dismissive because | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | he would not trust their motivation | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | in retrospect he was right | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, they're now in the 'LF camp' | Mar 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | under an entity which absorbed palamida | Mar 29 16:51 |
| Techrights-sec | they're just mouthpieces for redmond | Mar 29 16:52 |
| Techrights-sec | LF sucks and has nothing (positive) to do with Linux | Mar 29 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait til zemlin and greg issue a press release condemning microsoft bribery | Mar 29 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd be all bones before that happens | Mar 29 16:52 |
| Techrights-sec | it wouldn't happen even then | Mar 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | the norwegian windows shop has just joined oin | Mar 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | oink oink | Mar 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe they will even move to linux *gasp* | Mar 29 16:54 |
| Techrights-sec | I wonder what that move was about | Mar 29 16:55 |
| Techrights-sec | it must be way to promote sw patents | Mar 29 16:55 |
| schestowitz | "Open Invention Network (OIN), the organization formed to safeguard open source software (OSS) and the largest patent non-aggression community in history, announced today that A. P. Møller – Mærsk A/S (Maersk) has joined as a community member. Maersk is a leading integrated container logistics company and the global leader in shipping services, operating in more than 130 countries. As a user of open source, Maersk considers OSS an enabler of | Mar 29 16:55 |
| schestowitz | advanced supply chain management platforms." | Mar 29 16:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | "supply chain" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "user" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "generated" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "supply chain" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "sheep" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "livestock" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "content" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "protestware" | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | (malware from Microsoft servers) | Mar 29 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "it's NOT malware, it's a protest... because RUSHANS BAD BAD BAD... and it's the fault of open source, not the Microsoft "Services"..." | Mar 29 16:57 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 29 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, the press' current lies / misdirections / distractions from M$ | Mar 29 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | The last decades of severe problems get brushed under the rug as somehow | Mar 29 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | unavoidable and normal | Mar 29 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | could do an article, There's No "Protestware", It's Code Word For Malware From Microsot | Mar 29 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I can't be botheredf | Mar 29 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am waiting for libreplanet to fix the error so I can watch the darn video | Mar 29 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec | do you have any contacts there who are admins or know the admins? | Mar 29 17:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but I would need to start the gngine on some bloat called thunderbird for that | Mar 29 17:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope they will spot tehrir own error or he himself will report it to them | Mar 29 17:03 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 29 17:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of these vids are skeletal | Mar 29 17:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | they do not advertise them yet | Mar 29 17:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some lack description, proper urls etc. | Mar 29 17:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's "under construction" still | Mar 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | I saw many other missing bits | Mar 29 17:05 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 29 17:22 |
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| schestowitz-TR | w00t | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | they fixed it for us | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, be sure to wactch the talk about taking back the web | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | Mar 29 19:06 | |
| schestowitz-TR | it is good | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | he mentions how www ruins email | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | and mntionals bandali's talki at 18:55 | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | worthn checking out | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will soon start banbdali's talk | Mar 29 19:06 |
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