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| schestowitz-TR | pushed to gitinor change to the template file of Links | Jun 29 03:17 |
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| schestowitz-TR | *minor changes | Jun 29 03:17 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I heard that turkey gets a lot of the grain from ukraine or parts russia occupies already | Jun 29 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes that is happening to AFAIK | Jun 29 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^too | Jun 29 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | putin has two dolls inside nato and even eu (orban) | Jun 29 08:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by the way the template.html file has what appear to be redundant headings | Jun 29 08:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | such as "programming" and "technical" | Jun 29 08:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there may be other redundant headings, I have not checked thoroughly | Jun 29 08:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's just those that collide so far | Jun 29 08:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there may be other redundant headings, I have not checked thoroughly | Jun 29 08:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's just those that collide so far | Jun 29 08:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are or gemini only | Jun 29 08:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok, I guess those can be annotated so they don't get confuse with the http | Jun 29 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sections | Jun 29 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | pushed to Git | Jun 29 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | THANKS, GOOD CALL | Jun 29 08:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | oops, caps | Jun 29 08:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | starting workout in a bit | Jun 29 08:43 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 10:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Winter ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/experts-are-worried-about-the-potential-of-another-brutal-covid-winter/ | Source: TruthOut | Jun 29 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Experts Are Worried About the Potential of Another Brutal COVID Winter | Jun 29 11:01 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | seeing as most countries have removed advisories against gathering | Jun 29 11:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and no longer suggest masking up etc ... | Jun 29 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://ideadrop.co/customer-success/steve-jobs-leadership-style-what-we-can-learn/ | Jun 29 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ideadrop.co | Steve Jobs’s Leadership Style and What We Can Learn From It | Jun 29 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | I am trying, without success, to find the Jobs quotes on tytpe A, B, C... | Jun 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz | can you help? needed for next article | Jun 29 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can see the context in the draft (video processing) | Jun 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wanted to say something else but did not (and forgot by now) as you were afk | Jun 29 16:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jun 29 16:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/A-players | Jun 29 16:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://tgsus.com/executive-search/recruit-a-players/ | Jun 29 16:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It was also in the biography, "Steve Jobs", by Waltere Isaacson | Jun 29 16:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but not in the index | Jun 29 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apple.fandom.com | A-players | Apple Wiki | Fandom | Jun 29 16:40 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | indiect: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/391717-steve-jobs-has-a-saying-that-a-players-hire-a | Jun 29 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tgsus.com | Steve Jobs and How to Recruit A-Players | The Good Search | Jun 29 16:40 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^inditectly | Jun 29 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Guy Kawasaki: “Steve Jobs has a saying that A players hire A p...” | Jun 29 16:40 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | indirectly | Jun 29 16:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks!! | Jun 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure if that happens only to me | Jun 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I want to say something, decide it's not so important, then forget it | Jun 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | then want to remember what this unimportant thing is | Jun 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | happened to me twice today | Jun 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | I need to let those things go | Jun 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | (once when rianne was asleep) | Jun 29 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://youtu.be/wTgQ2PBiz-g | Jun 29 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=wTgQ2PBiz-g | Jun 29 16:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.osi.kr | Steve Jobs - Building a team of A players - Invidious | Jun 29 16:42 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://hbr.org/2012/04/the-real-leadership-lessons-of-steve-jobs | Jun 29 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hbr.org | The Real Leadership Lessons of Steve Jobs | Jun 29 16:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll put alkl these refs in one place, it's about EPO... | Jun 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | Wil use suitable headline so you can find them all | Jun 29 16:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jun 29 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I can't remember which part of the book it was in so I won't wade through the | Jun 29 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | whole thing just for the one quote though | Jun 29 16:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe this new draft will help you centrealise your refs on this subject? | Jun 29 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | draftsx2 | Jun 29 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 29 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "paraphrasing the above in the video linked above ..." | Jun 29 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will add a few words/links | Jun 29 17:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | what are dental bribes? | Jun 29 17:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | thanks | Jun 29 17:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I linked to that yesterday,m re dental | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | but should repeat | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | as otherwise people lack the way to find out what it's about | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | organised crime | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | they buy the voters | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | this was EXPECTED | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | as was the OUTCOME | Jun 29 17:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes reminders are necessary | Jun 29 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | at least now I have some pages I can link to for explaining what happened to our C/D type company | Jun 29 17:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | that used to have some good people when I joined in 2011 | Jun 29 17:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there was also a lot of relevant links here about boeing's fall | Jun 29 17:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm not sure I can find them again but IIRC you did use them in some posts | Jun 29 17:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a year or two ago (or longer) | Jun 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think this analogy was used wrt EPO by other people too | Jun 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not sure | Jun 29 17:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that had something to do with the inevitable death spiral which is kicked off | Jun 29 17:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by outsourcing critical functions | Jun 29 17:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and, for that matter, some not-so-critical functions too | Jun 29 17:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will finalise the two posts and add to wiki | Jun 29 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | jobs was a jerk, but that does not mean he's always wrong or I cannot quote him :) | Jun 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's also put in simple terms that make sense to me | Jun 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | the staff union explains that a high-calibre examiner can do the word fast and well | Jun 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | some new grad who can barely operate the computer is worth maybe 10 times less than | Jun 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | the former type | Jun 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are a yoke on the colleagues | Jun 29 17:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 17:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes, without peers, the A-players quickly find they need look for a more suitable work environment, that is especially true in today's society which has b | Jun 29 17:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | een | Jun 29 17:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | badly shaped by "reality" TV such that the D, E, and lower playes are trained | Jun 29 17:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to gang up on, impeded, and even tear down those with better skills | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne and I work from him | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | *some | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | *home | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we already have some x-player peers | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I totally ignore th rest | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't even read their handovers | Jun 29 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne does | Jun 29 17:17 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | found it. don't lose it ;) | Jun 29 17:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/how-tech-loses-out/ | Jun 29 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-berthub.eu | How Tech Loses Out over at Companies, Countries and Continents - Bert Hubert's writings | Jun 29 17:20 | |
| schestowitz-TR | noadays the net time I spend on a shift is averging at maybe 30 mins | Jun 29 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | each time the company gets worse | Jun 29 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | this number goes down further | Jun 29 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | to where I can tolerate it | Jun 29 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://web.archive.org/web/20111226053333/http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/02/04/2014130646.pdf | Jun 29 17:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | very hard to find | Jun 29 17:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://aerospaceengineeringblog.com/the-dangers-of-outsourcing/ | Jun 29 17:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "to where I can tolerate it" ... that is the warning about outsourcing | Jun 29 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aerospaceengineeringblog.com | The Dangers of Outsourcing – Aerospace Engineering BlogAerospace Engineering Blog | Jun 29 17:25 | |
| schestowitz-TR | very quick question: is there a point opening all these links, taking bits from them (text, screenshots etc) | Jun 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and present that in relation to EPO? | Jun 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've not opened yet... | Jun 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | just adding 2 to wiki now | Jun 29 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the PDF, I would think | Jun 29 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | if a case can be made about the danger with driving away talent | Jun 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, I'm off work till tomorrow night and rianne has TM cover | Jun 29 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will open all these links now | Jun 29 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and promote them to EPO sceptics | Jun 29 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | the timing is right because of today's protest and bad news | Jun 29 17:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | it helps to pool life lessons | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | like your take on EPO "financialisation" | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | as that struck a nerve | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and can equip staff with ways to respond or explain the status quo | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am going to focus 100% now on the 3 links | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | no need to respond | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's raining dogs and cats out side now (good) | Jun 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I can be easily distracted | Jun 29 17:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes good to have a copy, Recoll is a good indexer if you don't have one | Jun 29 17:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in use already | Jun 29 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | making local copy of the pdf | Jun 29 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | if it's gone, this might be fair use | Jun 29 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, see draft | Jun 29 17:52 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 29 17:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | good summary | Jun 29 17:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the phrase "neither engineers nor talent" ought to be continued a few more | Jun 29 17:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | words to remind about > 50% of people not accepting positions offered, | Jun 29 17:57 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's there in the link, but needs to be there in the prose as well | Jun 29 17:57 |
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| schestowitz-TR | tying this into jobs (steve( post.. | Jun 29 18:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | added whole para at the end | Jun 29 18:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 29 18:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | at the risk of making it too long the lack of incoming talent makes life | Jun 29 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | hard for those very skilled and talented people who have been onboard for many | Jun 29 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | years and have not left yet | Jun 29 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | ah!! | Jun 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | good point | Jun 29 18:07 |
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| schestowitz-TR | finalising | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | we now have the pdf stored locally (those get hard to find a decade later) | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | it becomes a forensic job | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | epo keeping campinos | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | is like us keeping saringas | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | she was dumped too late | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | we lost 2 people who could maintain our infra | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | then came the outsourcing | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | the point of no return | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | a spiral | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | no infra people | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | no infra | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | no talent | Jun 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | fin | Jun 29 18:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 18:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 18:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know how to explain it, but let me try | Jun 29 18:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | paradoxically, when the company is weak, it's possibly OK to stay | Jun 29 18:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 18:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | provided they act weak | Jun 29 18:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are too terrified of losing remaining senior staff | Jun 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that staff can get away with talking down bosses | Jun 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | or acting rather lazy | Jun 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | I read about this in TheLayoff.com re IBM | Jun 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne and I know the job *very* wellm | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and as a pair, like a cokcpit, we are valuable | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | so basically treaining new people is almost impossiv | Jun 29 18:30 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | let alone attract someone foollish enough to join and then stay | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | some joined | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and left quickly | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | they could not solve issues | Jun 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes if feels like we do them a favour by staying | Jun 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and that reduces the stress greatly | Jun 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the CEO begs you not to get upset | Jun 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | or tries to defuse situations when you scoff at a lousy colleague | Jun 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but... if one was to assess my "status" (salary etc.) or my "car" (bicycle) or | Jun 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | my dress code (BS; ask RMS/LT... or most tech geeks), if that someone is of | Jun 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | superficial mindset, then..... | Jun 29 18:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 18:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I keep checking sources and mail etc. | Jun 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | no word from EPO yet | Jun 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | must be depressing for some | Jun 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we issued 4 posts since the news came | Jun 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | so at least they don't need to soak in the raving lies from epo.org | Jun 29 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | with a complete change of leadership, to new ones with no social, political, or | Jun 29 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | business ties to the old ones, then the EPO could turn around and thrive while | Jun 29 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | becoming beneficial again | Jun 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | I thought about it last night | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is SUPER complicated | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the chain of complicity falls back onto the national delegations too | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you cannot fire ALL the management | Jun 29 18:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :/ | Jun 29 18:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | chaos/disarray | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's necessary | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | they won't train "clean" people | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | or won't train them properly | Jun 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I think EPO cannot be slavaged | Jun 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are SUSTAINING.... the corruption | Jun 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's why Tony stays | Jun 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't need to tell you this is very bad for the EU as well | Jun 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | (they won't admit this) | Jun 29 18:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | true | Jun 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | a ffii senior once told me uk shiold leave epc, not eu | Jun 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I often wonder if the epo tells media to ignore all of us becayse "anti-eu" or "anti-americanism'; | Jun 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | and other red herrings | Jun 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's possible | Jun 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the "russian agent" BS was floating at one point | Jun 29 18:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Which EPC? The European Patent Convention or the sham called the | Jun 29 18:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | European Patent Court | Jun 29 18:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ? | Jun 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | EPC, UK can exit that | Jun 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | so can norway and CH | Jun 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | let them keep turkey... north macedonia... and have fun with their shitty little experiment | Jun 29 18:42 |
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| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> We Need Less Harvard ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/society/ivy-league-enrollment-expansion/ | Source: The Nation | Jun 29 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | We Need Less Harvard, Not More | The Nation | Jun 29 18:57 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 19:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | elite or not, there are few to no places which still teach actual computer | Jun 29 19:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | science; most have been replaced by microsoftianism; of the places with provide | Jun 29 19:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | training (as opposed to education), those are even worse off | Jun 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | playing devil's advocate here | Jun 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | many CS schools and polytechnics likely | Jun 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | push | Jun 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) clown | Jun 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) web (means JS) | Jun 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) apps | Jun 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but no foundations like bubble search or assembly or networking | Jun 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft is nasty, but it was more powerful 20 years ago | Jun 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now it contends with "chromebooks" | Jun 29 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes instead of theory and instead of learning-friendly systems : | Jun 29 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.gnu.org/education/edu-schools.en.html | Jun 29 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they avoid theory and work towards "training" in proprietary | Jun 29 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | clown, js, and m$ | Jun 29 19:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm not sure that competing with chromebooks is to the advantage of students; | Jun 29 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | Why Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Jun 29 19:03 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | those are in practice very proprietary | Jun 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is wh y they have "mass appeal" | Jun 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) with state media | Jun 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) corporate media | Jun 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | c) states | Jun 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you see them promotes as the "true" alternative | Jun 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | with all the spyware and back doors and whatever comes with the next forced update | Jun 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | likely always-on microphone ("assistants" and "smart") | Jun 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I quit covering android when Android O came out and they were making listening devices | Jun 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | very prevlent | Jun 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | out of the box, hard to dodge | Jun 29 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep | Jun 29 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in the new models even the hardware is locked down :( | Jun 29 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the old models had at least some replacable parts, includignthe SSD | Jun 29 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | old: | Jun 29 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.fsf.org/news/gnu-project-renews-focus-on-free-software-in-education | Jun 29 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | android is also a locked-in abuse of Linux | Jun 29 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | GNU Project renews focus on free software in education — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jun 29 19:06 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | not surprisingly by the same company as the Chromebooks | Jun 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | military contractors (maven) | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | you give, you get | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | can't wait for that economy to go under | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | but russia, china, and eu are not moving in a better direction | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we need to decentralise | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and people should roll out their own with images retrieved online | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | marius and I try to promote the indie distros more | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | fedora crap gets shelved under laftovers | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can go f* themselves | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | (ICBM) | Jun 29 19:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 29 19:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | IBM controls Fedora and doesn't even give it an illusion of independence | Jun 29 19:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it's just there as a testbed for RHEL | Jun 29 19:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | with what's left of a community to operate as unpaid beta testers | Jun 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | Red Hat was accused of the same, but it gave some freedom to employees (not 1005 of the time), it let centros live on OK, | Jun 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it provides resources, and it didn't have that perception of attacking the community, volunteers etc. | Jun 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | Allowhurst left months after the centos 'dick move' | Jun 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wanted to make a few more points about how Red Hat shot down allegations of Fedora being just a sandbox | Jun 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it doesn't matter | Jun 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're just informally chatting | Jun 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | ICBM lost the most valuable thing RHT had: goodwill | Jun 29 19:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes it was strange that they went out of their way to burn that goodwill | Jun 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are still good buddies with MSFT | Jun 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I never saw them saying anything that might upset the Billness | Jun 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is odd considering how they fought around 2006-08 over ODF | Jun 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | that sort of "restraint" can be partly explained by tracing back the many managers in "Red Hat" to former job at Microsoft | Jun 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can "shot down" the "haters" and "extremists" | Jun 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I meant SHOUT DOWN | Jun 29 19:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I never will understand their thought process, theirs or any other company, | Jun 29 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | when they drop their guard against M$ and, even more bizarrely, bring microsofters into the perimiter | Jun 29 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes IBM was still on the right side of things for the most part up until the | Jun 29 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | end of the ODF process | Jun 29 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and the microsoft scandals surrounding ECMA 376 | Jun 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | msfters in redhat = more of the "linux is OK for server" mindset | Jun 29 19:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | among other mistakes, they try everything they can to keep attention off of | Jun 29 19:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the desktop | Jun 29 19:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | canonical is the same | Jun 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | haha | Jun 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | we started typing canonical at the same time | Jun 29 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Canonica did that too after gaining a terminal stage microsoft infection among | Jun 29 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | their staff. RPF is in the early stages, but it, too, will be terminal | Jun 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | the "extremists" will resign or have resigned in disgust | Jun 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft: we Drive C | Jun 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | raspi: the ABCD for schools | Jun 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | they wrote a blog post on edu eysterday | Jun 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft: C types | Jun 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | Mono: D types | Jun 29 19:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or be driven out | Jun 29 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | remember that microsofters aren't evaluated on work or results | Jun 29 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | unlike everyone else | Jun 29 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :/ | Jun 29 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | s/on/against/ | Jun 29 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :( | Jun 29 19:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | at best | Jun 29 19:28 |
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