●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 29, 2022 ●● ● Sep 29 [00:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [01:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:25] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:27] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Sep 29 [02:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:42] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@u3k8abp3wtrpn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [04:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [05:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:46] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:50] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fnxwuy3nahvpc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [07:45] schestowitz-TR gm [07:45] schestowitz-TR catching up [07:45] schestowitz-TR brb [07:45] Techrights-sec gm ● Sep 29 [08:15] schestowitz-TR the ipfs in today's irc post is missing, i hope not due to a technical issue not detected at my end [08:15] schestowitz-TR I'll check to be sure... [08:21] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:21] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 29 [09:19] Techrights-sec it's more likely that the script here does not fail properly if the files [09:19] Techrights-sec are not yet available when the script is run too soion [09:19] Techrights-sec ^soon [09:20] schestowitz-TR at around 3am my time the files become ready, or maybe by 4am for sure [09:20] schestowitz-TR i can change the schedules, there is a chain of events, starting 2:30am [09:21] Techrights-sec That is probably it then. [09:25] schestowitz-TR about 98% of the time the pipeline works ok without need for intervention [09:25] schestowitz-TR i have a set of sanity checks that I do after 4:05am [09:25] schestowitz-TR btw, kiwi irc ha been having issues since sunday [09:25] schestowitz-TR it seems to be not limited to any site or domain in particular [09:25] schestowitz-TR we could add a self-hosted web proxy for irc [09:25] schestowitz-TR there are several options if you fancy a little "sys OP" [sic] challenge [09:25] schestowitz-TR thew quakenet one is less JS-intensive\ [09:25] schestowitz-TR one longstanding issue with kiwi is not the js per se [09:25] schestowitz-TR but clownflare being in front of the site [09:25] schestowitz-TR which means TR reveals visitors to clownflare [09:28] Techrights-sec The MitM by Cloudflare should be mentioned specifically on that page then. [09:30] schestowitz-TR you would be shocked if you saw how much of uk publiuc sector was outsourced to thisa mitm [09:30] schestowitz-TR so as a taxpayer to get some service they subject you to AMERCIAN sites [09:30] schestowitz-TR and the back end is also aws a lot of the time [09:30] schestowitz-TR it's like we're a bana natio [09:30] schestowitz-TR *nbanana [09:30] schestowitz-TR the liz trump fruit company [09:34] Techrights-sec https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/28/other-peoples-computers/#clouded-over [09:34] Techrights-sec paywall: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/software-makers-restrictive-license-rules-targeted-by-new-group [09:34] Techrights-sec YouTube: two 30-second, non-skippable ads every 2 minutes or less :( [09:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 28 Sep 2022 Maintaining monopolies with the cloud Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [09:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [09:36] schestowitz-TR alpine can be very challenging for big packages with many deps, but we can have a go at making [09:36] schestowitz-TR ircgateway.techrights.org or similar [09:36] schestowitz-TR port 80 [09:36] schestowitz-TR those loss leader [sic] clown computing BS is, to me, more of a military initative [09:36] schestowitz-TR than anything of substantial value [09:36] schestowitz-TR and we need to get others to recognise this and say this [09:36] schestowitz-TR there's NO FREE HOSTING! [09:36] schestowitz-TR No such thing [09:36] schestowitz-TR Youtube: we show two ads you cannot skip... with some CRAP or "FODDER" after them [09:36] schestowitz-TR Clownflare: we're still not sure how to make monet [09:36] schestowitz-TR spotify/netflix: we collected a lot of data [09:36] schestowitz-TR microsoft: hololens anyway? yes, we fired all the staff, but we need income, please~! [09:36] schestowitz-TR youtube is worse because it purges and culls anything that does not please its political masters [09:36] schestowitz-TR as per irc logs from last night: [09:36] schestowitz-TR rt and sputnik are not 'blocked' by my ISP [09:36] schestowitz-TR we're a very liberal nation, y'know.. [09:36] schestowitz-TR they started this BS by saying we need pr0n filters to "protect the kids" [09:36] schestowitz-TR not they "protect" adults [09:37] schestowitz-TR *now [09:37] schestowitz-TR it'lle scalare further, in due course.. [09:37] schestowitz-TR depending how much PowersThatBe(TM) can 'generously' tolerate opposing views (or videos, since I made a typo) [09:38] schestowitz https://webchat.quakenet.org/ [09:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-webchat.quakenet.org | QuakeNet Web IRC (qwebirc) [09:39] schestowitz https://development.quakenet.org/ [09:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-development.quakenet.org | QuakeNet Development Team [09:39] Techrights-sec Cory's post is quite relevant for this thread. [09:40] schestowitz-TR maybe CohnPAC (EFF) will even allow him to post these views to a large audicience in eff.org [09:40] schestowitz-TR or maybe not [09:42] schestowitz-TR "Over the past 15 years, the United States has lost more than half the newspaper reporters covering state and local beats" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/28/policies-center-community-voices-are-key-solving-local-news-crisis | Source: Common Dreams [09:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Policies That Center Community Voices Are Key to Solving the Local-News Crisis | Amy Kroin [09:47] Techrights-sec Significantly more than half are gone. [09:48] schestowitz-TR i suppose it dpeends what gets counted [09:48] schestowitz-TR e.g. "is the domain name still online?" [09:59] Techrights-sec If you count the number of people employed in the branch, it's way more than [09:59] Techrights-sec half gone. We had some articles on that in the last 18 months [09:59] Techrights-sec ?? https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/ [09:59] Techrights-sec Worth a closer look. [09:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com | Home Page - Coalition For Fair Software Licensing ● Sep 29 [10:02] schestowitz-TR i've looked around [10:02] schestowitz-TR no idea who they REALLY are [10:02] schestowitz-TR could be phonies like ACT [10:02] schestowitz-TR where did you find the URL? [10:03] Techrights-sec Indirectly via the above links. That's why they're worth looking at, to see [10:03] Techrights-sec if they are legitimate or not; Either way action is needed to support or [10:03] Techrights-sec to fight. [10:08] schestowitz-TR it's very difficult to know [10:08] schestowitz-TR they don't give it away upfront [10:08] schestowitz-TR this weekend I meet my friend who lost almost all his money (and home) to "investors" [10:08] schestowitz-TR and linus is adopting pile of shit recomended by microsoft azure cto [10:08] schestowitz-TR because "security".... f*ing sjvn plays into it too [10:08] schestowitz-TR citing microsoft as authority on security [10:08] schestowitz-TR to me: warning signs are "fair" [10:08] schestowitz-TR the word is used a lot by microsoft lobbyists [10:08] schestowitz-TR like FRAND [10:08] schestowitz-TR it's a meaningless word [10:08] schestowitz-TR no legal bearingf [10:08] schestowitz-TR the BSA too wars a "fair" share [10:08] schestowitz-TR as you yourself like to say, [10:08] schestowitz-TR the new currency is debt [10:08] schestowitz-TR soi the surplus is not profit per se [10:08] schestowitz-TR but derived by graft or similar [10:08] schestowitz-TR debt issue [10:08] schestowitz-TR then a bunch of vultures fight over whose bank account gets the minted 'coins' [10:08] schestowitz-TR lawyer: the law need not be on our side, we can just endure the longest financially [10:08] schestowitz-TR microsoft: we don't need to have good products, we can just lose money until our rivals cannot operate anymore [10:08] schestowitz-TR (backup plan: bailout biden will give us "stimulus" for "defence") [10:11] Techrights-sec https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/about-the-coalition/ [10:11] Techrights-sec They unfortunately use the misleading phrase "intellectual property" [10:11] Techrights-sec https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Principles-of-Fair-Software-Licensing-1.pdf [10:11] Techrights-sec Only points 2 and 3 seem relevant to software freedom. [10:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com | About The Coalition - Coalition For Fair Software Licensing [10:11] Techrights-sec It's run by a lawyer [10:11] Techrights-sec ack [10:12] schestowitz-TR i never heard of them before [10:12] schestowitz-TR they could be part turncoats like IP2innovative, peer2patent, and unifiedpatents [10:12] schestowitz-TR one moment they support reform, then they take microsoft money and oibstruct opponents of swpats and UPC [10:12] schestowitz-TR or gas light them [10:12] schestowitz-TR "they're too radical anyway" (they don't take bribes form hostile firms) [10:14] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:14] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [10:19] schestowitz-TR topic aborted: patent and copyrioght troll [10:19] schestowitz-TR i will tell you when there is something more newsworthy [10:19] schestowitz-TR apropos, did you take a look at the irc gateway s/w? [10:19] schestowitz-TR maybe it's a good opportunity to zap that clownflare thing [10:19] schestowitz-TR techuser/some haxor complained about it [10:19] schestowitz-TR at 17 he already knew LE and clownflare are bad [10:19] schestowitz https://qwebirc.org/installation [10:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-qwebirc.org | Installation - the qwebirc project [10:22] schestowitz-TR python, openjdk... [10:22] schestowitz-TR kiwiirc is a lot of nodejs and vue.js etc. [10:28] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:48] Techrights-sec I have not looked at the IRC gateway stuff [10:57] *acer-box__ has quit (Connection closed) [10:57] *schestowitz-TR has quit (connection closed) [10:58] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:58] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [11:04] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@57mp77k2cp9ci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [12:23] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:57] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [13:25] schestowitz-TR SFC hypocrites. We take Microsoft money, then tell you to "Give Up GitHub" (self-promotion for SFC). We moan that LF doesn't allow community in Board (to start a self-fund-raising campaign), now we outsource key parts GNU to LF. SFC: self-serving liars with PR skills? [13:49] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 29 [14:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:20] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:40] schestowitz-TR Torvalds in this photo. Zero girls. https://lwn.net/Articles/908323/ [14:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-2022 Kernel Maintainers Summit group photo [LWN.net] [14:40] schestowitz-TR i see LF is making huge progress lecturing us on "diversty and inclusion" [14:42] schestowitz-TR i thought about doing a meme that shows fossforce before and after LF $ [14:42] schestowitz-TR but I don't want to hurt them [14:43] Techrights-sec ack [14:43] Techrights-sec probably not a useful idea to irritate without a positive direction to push [14:51] schestowitz-TR can you find an LF page boasting about diversity? [14:51] schestowitz-TR like, how they have lots of girls? [14:51] schestowitz-TR because of coc/zemlin/corporations etc. [14:51] schestowitz-TR like you said, the LF bribes FOSS blogs angle is mostly hurful to those blogs [14:55] schestowitz-TR (remember IBM/Red Hat and LF keep weaponising this against communities [14:55] schestowitz-TR all those salaried coders are not female) [14:56] Techrights-sec checkingf [14:56] Techrights-sec https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/press-release/linux-foundation-europe-launches [14:56] Techrights-sec ? [14:56] Techrights-sec Yes and many (most) don't understand the weaponization, especially of the CoC [14:56] Techrights-sec It's "mean" to criticize a /corporation/ for illegal, unethical, and anti- [14:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Linux Foundation Europe Launches to Foster European Open Source Collaboration and Innovation [14:56] Techrights-sec competitive behavior especially if it hurts the kernel and the FOSS world in [14:56] Techrights-sec general ● Sep 29 [15:03] Techrights-sec https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/the-2021-linux-foundation-report-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-in-open-source [15:03] Techrights-sec https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/diversity-inclusivity [15:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 503 @ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/the-2021-linux-foundation-report-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-in-open-source ) [15:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Diversity & Inclusivity | Linux Foundation [15:06] Techrights-sec https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-starts-open-source-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-survey/ [15:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Linux Foundation starts open-source diversity, equity, and inclusion survey | ZDNET [15:10] Techrights-sec https://nitter.it/linuxfoundation/status/1532053871635447809 [15:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Linux Foundation (@linuxfoundation): "Open source is all about #inclusivity, #diversity, #freedom, #equality, and #love. The Linux Foundation is proud to support the LGBTQI+ community around the world this month and always! #Pride #PrideMonth2022"|nitter.it [15:11] schestowitz-TR ok, that last one is more sensitive and also does not pertain to a visible attribute [15:11] schestowitz-TR I've started putting together a draft, but not much yet [15:11] schestowitz-TR I will record some videos later [15:13] Techrights-sec ack [15:14] schestowitz-TR adding refs to keep it concise and to the point [15:23] Techrights-sec https://blogs.vmware.com/opensource/2022/02/15/diversity-and-inclusion-two-success-factors-for-open-source/ [15:23] Techrights-sec https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-linux-foundation-launches-free-online-inclusivity-training/ [15:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blogs.vmware.com | Diversity and Inclusion: Two Success Factors for Open Source [15:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Linux Foundation launches free online inclusivity training | TechRepublic [15:24] schestowitz-TR techrepublic+zdnet=two LF-FUNDED propaganda rags [15:24] schestowitz-TR this tells you a lot about the state of churnalism [15:25] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:38] Techrights-sec Yep. Paid for in full. [15:40] schestowitz-TR VERY crude first drfat [15:40] schestowitz-TR did not even preview [15:40] schestowitz-TR rianne saw the photo too [15:40] schestowitz-TR sna noticed [15:40] schestowitz-TR *and [15:40] schestowitz-TR just this past minute [15:40] schestowitz-TR she lef the house [15:40] schestowitz-TR i'll record 3 videos soon [15:44] Techrights-sec checking [15:44] Techrights-sec M$ has worked hard to earn and stay the object of any hate it receives [15:45] schestowitz-TR made edits [15:45] schestowitz-TR will polish it now [15:45] schestowitz-TR will record in a bit [15:49] schestowitz-TR rianne pointed out torvalds has white hair and greg is very tall [15:49] schestowitz-TR I will check 4pm nhs figures when this one is done [15:49] schestowitz-TR than record [15:49] schestowitz-TR covid numbers are rising, data out in 10 mins [15:49] Techrights-sec [15:49] Techrights-sec ack [15:49] Techrights-sec GKH is quite tall, but LT might have shrunken a little too along with [15:49] Techrights-sec his sudden onset, premature aging. ● Sep 29 [16:12] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:14] schestowitz-TR proofreading [16:14] schestowitz-TR can you suggest how to cover this in video uniquely [16:14] schestowitz-TR e.g. pointing how how LF does NOTHING about 'secure core' blocking Linux? [16:14] schestowitz-TR the funny thing is, as much as they smear us [16:14] schestowitz-TR we're one of the most diverse out there in FOSS [16:14] schestowitz-TR IN SPITE of the smears [16:14] schestowitz-TR today's epo video/article will cover diversity toowow!!!! [16:14] schestowitz-TR 42% increase in cases in just one week [16:14] schestowitz-TR I was expecting further growth after last week's [16:14] schestowitz-TR but not that fast a growth [16:27] schestowitz-TR with white hair , a robe, and therapists, maybe soon LF will just stuff the man into a mental asylum [16:27] Techrights-sec ve shrunken a little too along with [16:27] Techrights-sec his sudden onset, premature aging. [16:27] Techrights-sec not sure [16:27] Techrights-sec re: m$ "hate" : it's called learning from experience :/ [16:27] Techrights-sec Like in Soviet times [16:30] schestowitz-TR COVID-19 Pandemic Isn't Over (Claiming That It is Only Worsens Things) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/29/autumn-surge/BBB [16:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/29/autumn-surge/BBB ) [16:30] schestowitz-TR OTA [16:31] Techrights-sec The LF's CoC should be much shorted and consist of "is the code good?" [16:31] schestowitz-TR if it's rust, then it is magically both good and secure [16:31] schestowitz-TR OTA [16:37] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:44] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 29 [17:05] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [17:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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