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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NinjaZeGarapa/status/1277911491413446657 | Jun 30 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | "I had to read it multiple times. We should all start sending plastic pollution to this moron. If they are convicted then justice is completely dead."\ | Jun 30 13:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sandyshark/status/1277910776586665985 | Jun 30 13:33 |
| schestowitz | "The impact of our #wastewater should never be underestimated. We need to do far better in how we manage it. Testing it for #COVID19 would be a start" | Jun 30 13:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1277904654190313478 | Jun 30 13:33 |
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| TechrightsBN | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 | Jun 30 13:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1277904654190313478 | Jun 30 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrobertson: Microsoft: How would you like a suitcase of money? Debian: Thanks very much! 🤑 https://t.co/PD4OjrVoIw | Jun 30 13:34 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: “So #Debian censors (permanently deletes) actual GNU/Linux developers and adds/amplifies #Microsoft staff that atta… https://t.co/vlfEF2TAnn | Jun 30 13:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gibikha/status/1277897088223907841 | Jun 30 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gibikha: @schestowitz I recommend => https://t.co/KsHgzrc2mu | Jun 30 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> gogglesmm.dev | Goggles Music Manager | Jun 30 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1277887964492763136 | Jun 30 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wendycockcroft: @schestowitz Reddit is leaving up anything that bashes women and are taking down everything else. It seems that we'… https://t.co/s5TtYM6BhW | Jun 30 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wendycockcroft: @schestowitz Reddit is leaving up anything that bashes women and are taking down everything else. It seems that we'… https://t.co/s5TtYM6BhW | Jun 30 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | "Reddit is leaving up anything that bashes women and are taking down everything else. It seems that we're a majority group and therefore unworthy of protection." | Jun 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1277887158456631297 | Jun 30 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wendycockcroft: @gibikha @schestowitz "Woke" is now slang for "bandwagon rider." | Jun 30 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hyperboreanhobo/status/1277882063769591808 | Jun 30 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hyperboreanhobo: @schestowitz @Diurpagissa Looks like the laws still apply when you mess with the upper classes lol | Jun 30 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gibikha/status/1277883258760552449 | Jun 30 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gibikha: @schestowitz Good for her. | Jun 30 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MohamedProphe/status/1277879499032596480 | Jun 30 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MohamedProphe: @schestowitz بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ | Jun 30 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1277771320206319616 | Jun 30 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @AmbyR00 @schestowitz link? | Jun 30 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmbyR00/status/1277715824392966149 | Jun 30 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @jsalsman @schestowitz I saw a Tweet where he declared he'd be leaving Twitter for good. | Jun 30 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1277714498783047680 | Jun 30 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @AmbyR00 @schestowitz Roy? | Jun 30 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1277702302673989633 | Jun 30 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @AmbyR00 @schestowitz > have their own people inside FSF and Linux Foundation I've noticed. Why isn't someone fork… https://t.co/PMUuBbM8Q6 | Jun 30 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @AmbyR00 @schestowitz > have their own people inside FSF and Linux Foundation I've noticed. Why isn't someone fork… https://t.co/PMUuBbM8Q6 | Jun 30 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | > have their own people inside FSF and Linux Foundation | Jun 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I've noticed. Why isn't someone forking those into non-proprietary-led orgs? Like Roy? | Jun 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmbyR00/status/1277701261144535043 | Jun 30 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @jsalsman @schestowitz They practically own the development infrastructure and have their own people inside FSF and… https://t.co/nXqeID01z4 | Jun 30 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @jsalsman @schestowitz They practically own the development infrastructure and have their own people inside FSF and… https://t.co/nXqeID01z4 | Jun 30 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | They practically own the development infrastructure and have their own people inside FSF and Linux Foundation. Only thing they need is to divide the community on some trivial social matter, and then start making tiny but MS favorable changes to the next versions of GPL."" | Jun 30 13:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmbyR00/status/1277701826595434496 | Jun 30 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @schestowitz Oh... I must do this too, but first I must promote a social blockchain that is uncensorable and owned… https://t.co/zBEwt61BRY | Jun 30 13:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @schestowitz Oh... I must do this too, but first I must promote a social blockchain that is uncensorable and owned… https://t.co/zBEwt61BRY | Jun 30 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh... I must do this too, but first I must promote a social blockchain that is uncensorable and owned by its own community, $Hive. | Jun 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | When I'm done with Twitter, I'll never look back. I'll be releasing all my content on Hive instead. | Jun 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/arrjaybee/status/1277694605983510529 | Jun 30 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@arrjaybee: @mattl @schestowitz "ah dammit read the diff backward" | Jun 30 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1277694851342008325 | Jun 30 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattl: I've also not blocked you. | Jun 30 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1277697988979314691 | Jun 30 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattl: Posted https://t.co/PwOiwzPzh1 also, in the spirit of fairness. | Jun 30 13:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> mastodon.social | Matt Lee: "Hey @schestowitz@pleroma.site in http://techright…" - Mastodon | Jun 30 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/arrjaybee/status/1277694605983510529 | Jun 30 13:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/directhex/status/1277696154579451906 | Jun 30 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@directhex: @mattl Roy in “lying about FOSS contributors for clicks” shocker | Jun 30 13:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1277699725710495745 | Jun 30 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattl: @directhex It's also not like I'm not running a GitLab instance for various free sw projects (including a couple GNU) on FSF hardware. | Jun 30 13:39 | |
| schestowitz | "It's also not like I'm not running a GitLab instance for various free sw projects (including a couple GNU) on FSF hardware." | Jun 30 13:39 |
| schestowitz | https://mastodon.social/@mattl/104429117465139896\ | Jun 30 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mastodon.social | Matt Lee: "Hey @schestowitz@pleroma.site in http://techright…" - Mastodon | Jun 30 13:41 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey @schestowitz | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | in http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/outsourcing-gnu-to-microsoft/ you claim I'm the reason the Flex project is pointing at GitHub. | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | If you look at my change, the page is pointing to the Wikipedia article. | Jun 30 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Teaser: Coup Against Richard Stallman Was Followed by Enhanced Outsourcing of GNU Projects to Microsoft | Techrights | Jun 30 13:41 | |
| schestowitz | http://web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/www/www/software/flex/flex.html?r1=1.10&r2=1.11 | Jun 30 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org | [www] Diff of /www/software/flex/flex.html | Jun 30 13:41 | |
| schestowitz | The page has since been removed by someone else. | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Flex is also not a GNU project. | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | And I didn't block you. If I had blocked you, you'd still be blocked. | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:41 |
| schestowitz | You did block me | Jun 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1277692030215307264 | Jun 30 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @schestowitz Do you think they have a chance at this point? | Jun 30 13:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1277669841680424961 | Jun 30 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: It's OK. China sent them to Africa, and Venezuela, and Iran, and Iraq and Syria. They weren't wasted. https://t.co/aEeJDmyehg | Jun 30 13:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Government of Orange Clown https://t.co/ctLu34v0aS | Jun 30 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/1277660282513428482 | Jun 30 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz Thank you Roy | Jun 30 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/digitalSerb/status/1277648372657197058 | Jun 30 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@digitalSerb: @schestowitz What?! I thought you guys have other serious issues to deal with in the states. This looks like same… https://t.co/VApTWFOc2O | Jun 30 13:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@digitalSerb: @schestowitz What?! I thought you guys have other serious issues to deal with in the states. This looks like same… https://t.co/VApTWFOc2O | Jun 30 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:43 |
| schestowitz | What?! | Jun 30 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I thought you guys have other serious issues to deal with in the states. This looks like same old: "let's f* your internet freedom", all over again... | Jun 30 13:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 13:43 |
| acer-box__ | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23689513 | Jun 30 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | The GNU Project Is Bleeding into Microsoft | Hacker News | Jun 30 16:01 | |
| acer-box__ | " | Jun 30 16:01 |
| acer-box__ | GNU has their own code and project management plattform called Savannah. If you've ever interacted with it you know why this is happening. It's horrible in every way. I remember once trying to make some suggestions to get some basic security improvements that never happened. It wasn't even clear to me to whom I'd have to talk to. | Jun 30 16:01 |
| acer-box__ | I don't think this has anything to do with the controversy around RMS. GNU has neglected to provide decent development infrastructure for its projects and has only provided them the joke that savannah is. So people are naturally looking elsewhere. | Jun 30 16:01 |
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| acer-box__ | rhaps0dy 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:01 |
| acer-box__ | I really don't see what the problem is here. Stallman himself is OK with using proprietary software if it runs on someone else's machine. For example, here https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html, he states he uses DuckDuckGo and ixquick, which are not clearly free software. (Though, they might be free software; their server code isn't distributed to the user, so even under the GPL they would not have to also distribute the | Jun 30 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallman.org | How I do my Computing | Jun 30 16:02 | |
| acer-box__ | source). | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | So what if GitHub is proprietary? So long as you don't run their JavaScript on your machine, your computing can still be fully free. And, if the problem is that Microsoft will prevent some project from being developed there, they can take their local Git (GPLv2 licensed) repositories and push them somewhere else. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | This all seems like a win from the FSF's perspective. Their projects are easier to discover and to contribute to, the developer's computing can remain fully free and the FSF does not need to pay for hosting. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | Flex being BSD licensed is a slight problem for copyleft, though. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:02 |
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| acer-box__ | garaetjjte 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | >Stallman himself is OK with using proprietary software if it runs on someone else's machine. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | RMS is against "Service as a Software Substitute" https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s... | Jun 30 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s ) | Jun 30 16:02 | |
| acer-box__ | One could argue that GitHub is SaaSS, because eg. issue system encourages lock-in to specific service, instead of communicating via free email client. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:02 |
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| acer-box__ | ancarda 48 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | I wonder if using a public instance of free software is a problem? i.e. https://sr.ht is an instance of Sourcehut. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sr.ht | sourcehut hub | Jun 30 16:02 | |
| acer-box__ | I figure if it turns nasty, or is going to disappear, I can take my data to a self-hosted instance. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:02 |
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| acer-box__ | im3w1l-alt 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | If any of these projects should pose a risk to Microsoft it will be able to pull the rug from under them. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | Code hosting gone, sponsor income gone, forums gone, bug tracking gone. At the same time. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | They will have to take care to always respect Microsoft's business interests and conduct codes. It is a much more severe threat to freedom than running all the proprietary code in the world. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | I wouldn't be too surprised if one day they say Stallman has to go. | Jun 30 16:02 |
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| acer-box__ | ancarda 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | >So long as you don't run their JavaScript on your machine | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | Do you have much of a choice? I think a lot of GitHub features do not work properly without JavaScript. For instance, just trying it now: | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't mark notifications as done | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't edit the title or description of an issue or PR | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't dismiss banners or most modals/popups | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't commit files directly on the web interface | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't edit an issue or PR metadata (i.e. labels) | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't edit most, maybe almost all, repo settings | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | At-least it's not a blank page. If I see websites like that these days, I just close the tab. Thankfully, you can pretty much use GitHub in "read-only" mode without JavaScript, but working on it is probably quite hard without running their non-free code. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | It would probably be better if they'd use Sourcehut or maybe GitLab. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:02 |
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| acer-box__ | jwilk 55 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | > - Can't mark notifications as done | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | What kind of notifications? | Jun 30 16:02 |
| acer-box__ | > - Can't edit the title or description of an issue or PR | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | You can if you disable CSS. (Admittedly that's not very convenient…) | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | > - Can't dismiss banners or most modals/popups | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | Any examples? This has (almost?) always worked for me. | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| acer-box__ | ancarda 52 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | Hmm, I went to get you an example and I found they seem to dismiss if you click elsewhere on the page. I think I was clicking on the close button (the "x" in the title bar) - which won't work without JavaScript. | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| acer-box__ | GoblinSlayer 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't mark notifications as done | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | - Can't dismiss banners or most modals/popups | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | These worked for me without javascript. Didn't try after redesign yet. IME gitlab doesn't work without javascript (the developer swears he can't be arsed to support noscript). | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | reply | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| acer-box__ | ancarda 55 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | GitLab is free software though, so you won't be running non-free JavaScript. | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | It having poor noscript support is a shame though. | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| acer-box__ | Pashai3t 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | > Interestingly, most of these redirections seem to have made fairly recently, not long after Richard Stallman was ousted. | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | That's factually wrong : Richard Stallman resigned from the FSF, not from GNU. | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | The very first paragraph on his personal website reads: "I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project. I do not intend to stop any time soon." | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | Also, while I share author's annoyance of seeing GNU packages on github (that's what savannah is made for, after all), singling out GNU here seems sensationalism : it could basically be said that "most FOSS projects are bleeding into Microsoft", or probably more reasonably "FOSS projects should consider what it means to be hosted by Github now that Microsoft owns it". | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| acer-box__ | Gollapalli 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | It might be better titled "Microsoft is bleeding into the GNU Project". Honestly, I'm not super bothered by GNU using github, because everybody uses github. I mean, it's the hub for git repos! At the risk of making more bad puns... well, I can't think of anything worse than the last one, but my point stands that github won this war, and while GNU might feasibly use gitlab or similar, github is where everybody is at, and it's very | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | quickly becoming the place people search for code. It's almost like, "your code isn't open source because it's not on github." Github is code google. | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | EDIT: It should be obvious that github being "code google" is not great for freedom. It's brilliant on the part of Microsoft, in the same way that securing a monopoly on OS's 20 years ago was brilliant. With the cloud-backend->web-frontend being our new defacto operating system, Microsoft is set to achieve this once again. Azure and GitHub synergize really well together. At this rate, the default way to deploy open source code will be | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | VS Code -> .NET 5 -> Github -> Azure, and we will be at Microsoft's monopolistic mercies once again, enthralled to the cloud instead of running our own software that we own (even if we don't understand) on our own hardware that we own (even if we don't understand), and maintaining some semblance of ownership over our own computing and communication with one another via these computers. | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| acer-box__ | orangeshark 59 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | It more about how difficult Savannah is to use which is why people use alternatives. Though the GNU project does evaluate whether a code hosting service is suitable. [0] They were also looking into hosting their own alternative to Savannah. [1] | Jun 30 16:03 |
| acer-box__ | [0] https://www.fsf.org/news/gnu-releases-ethical-evaluations-of... | Jun 30 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.fsf.org/news/gnu-releases-ethical-evaluations-of ) | Jun 30 16:03 | |
| acer-box__ | [1] https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/coming-soon-a-new-site-fo... | Jun 30 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/coming-soon-a-new-site-fo ) | Jun 30 16:03 | |
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| acer-box__ | AdmiralAsshat 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | Some of the projects, like GNU Radio, seem pretty active. I imagine that GH is simply a more attractive platform than whatever they were using previously (Savannah?), and it seems to much better facilitate community interaction than e-mail mailing lists. And honestly, for the sake of developing free/libre software, I'd much prefer that it be hosted on a platform that facilitates active development, than following a Stallman- | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | approved™ fully libre stack, that results in the entire project being maintained by two guys in a university closet. | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | Is the whole contention solved by just moving over to GitLab? | Jun 30 16:04 |
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| acer-box__ | robertlagrant 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | GitLab would certainly "feel" like a better bet. But I don't think there's much in it. If it's a free platform, perhaps some GNUers like the idea of their code being hosted on Microsoft's dime :-) | Jun 30 16:04 |
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| acer-box__ | SmokeyHamster 58 minutes ago [–] | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | > For a number of important reasons, hosting GNU development on a proprietary Microsoft platform should be verboten. | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | What ridiculous hyperbole. Yeah, a "number of important reasons", yet they list none. I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but it's Github. It was fine to host open source software on them before, but now that they're bought my Microsoft, it's bad? Why? Because we're afraid Microsoft is going to steal our free open source code? I've mitigated some of my own projects to other git sites, like gitlab, just to get more experience and | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | diversify my access, but it makes no sense to abandon Github. | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | This level of anti-Microsoft hysteria is a little over the top. | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | You want to know the real reason why GNU is hosting so many of their projects on Github? Because their interface is clean and it's free and the GNU developers want to spend their time writing GNU software, not maintaining websites. | Jun 30 16:04 |
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| acer-box__ | pjmlp 1 hour ago [–] | Jun 30 16:04 |
| acer-box__ | Having been around for a while, I believe that GNU based software was a generational event, in the upcoming two to three decades future generations will have back our old shareware and public domain software licenses. | Jun 30 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-patent-examination-board-peb.html | Jun 30 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The Patent Examination Board (PEB) releases further information on the 2020 UK patent exams - The IPKat | Jun 30 16:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Thank you for this summary of requirements. I am concerned that candidates will be unfairly burdened by these requirements- exams such as FD4 are extremely time pressured and there is no indication that additional time will be provided for the printing and scanning of materials- surely this issue must be addressed to ensure that candidates are not at a disadvantage this year. | Jun 30 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Trainee attorneyTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 12:31:00 BST | Jun 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I am additionally saddened by PEBs stance - "PEB will not be able to reply to general queries about how the examinations will run". How can a candidate select the best examination option for them if they are not fully aware of how the examination will be run? PEBs reluctance (as ever) to engage in dialogue with candidates does not seem in the best interest of a fair and well run exam. | Jun 30 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 12:47:00 BST | Jun 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I welcome the step to do the exams online but time must be given for candidates to settle. Printing an exam paper might seem trivial but it does take many minutes. Equally, converting a word doc to a pdf also requires time. Scanning will take even longer. More time needs to be given. It would be better if they make it open book as books usually are there for reference and no one can really learn the materials on the day of the exam. | Jun 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | The EQEs are open book and most other law courses are open book so it seems strange still that PEB exams are closed books. | Jun 30 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 12:48:00 BST | Jun 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Surely, taking the exams from home is the best option. There will be other people in the firm that day - are firms will to just let their candidates take the whole building. Many share office space and are open plan. | Jun 30 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 12:51:00 BST | Jun 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | But I acknowledge that there may be some difficulties. Printing/scanning will be the main concern. Is there any possibility of releasing the exam paper 15-30 hour before the exam takes place. This should iron out any difficulties in printing. Scanning will be a problem! | Jun 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Also - some people like to take notes. Are you allow to write on scrap pieces of paper. I do embrace the step of taking exams remotely - This seems like a good direction to take. | Jun 30 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 13:33:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Releasing the paper (on the day) in a window before the exam seems a good compromise- that way candidates will have the exam paper in front of them at the start of the exam, as they normally would. | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 12:53:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Everyone's biggest fear now is that there could be a power cut/or a printer malfunction on the day (even at the office) then they will be disqualified. | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Also - most offices only have a few printers so are candidates going to queue at the printer to collect their paper? | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 12:58:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I think it is a MUST that they need to extend time or reduce content of the exam to account for these changes. This should be happening anyway but especially this year. PEB adapting to the "new norm" is a welcome step. It may be easier to manage if the exams are open book but even if it is closed books - time needs to be appropriately given. | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Being disturbed during an exam by an invigilator is a definite NO-NO. You cannot distract someone in the middle of an exam every hour and interrupt their thought process, especially for drafting or I & V papers. Telling them to get up and show around the room would severely distract my focus. I would imagine having 2 cameras would solve this issue so that candidates are not interrupted. | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 13:02:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | As we have seen with local lockdowns and continuing disruption - taking exams from home is certainly the correct procedure. BUT - candidates need more time (or reduce exam content as the exams are long enough). | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 13:04:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Will the testers of the papers be using the new process? Otherwise, the only thing that has been tested is the content of the paper, and not the entirely new conditions under which the exams will take place. | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 13:29:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Given the significant cost, I think PEB should offer refunds if there is a disruption to internet and a candidate is subsequently disqualified. Seems pretty unfair to candidates (particularly those paying themselves) if their internet connection drops out in the middle of the paper for reasons beyond their control. | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 14:04:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Judging from the comments so far, it seems that most agree that candidates need more time (or less content within the same time period) to cope with the additional burden. I think this is a sensible step to take by PEB. I don't see any reason why releasing a paper 30 minutes before the exam time be a problem. | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Candidates should also be given the opportunity to write on spare blank pieces of paper etc... | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 15:44:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Classic PEB. No offers of refunds or reasonable timeframes for candidates to make a decision as to whether they want to participate in an exam they barely know anything about. Cue the PEB's announcement next March where they avoid apologising for the abysmal pass rates and palm us off with "well at least we didn't cancel them'. Great. Slow clap. | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousTuesday, 30 June 2020 at 15:54:00 BST | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it would be reasonable to only provide the exam paper at the start of the exam. Surely they need to release it at least one hour before and simply trust the candidates to behave properly. | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | There are a few issues with this approach that I am sure the PEB are addressing. One of them being the potential for injury from spending 5 hours sat in front of a screen typing - the DSE guidelines they reference advise a 5 minute break every hour which is not practical in exams where often one feels barely enough time to nip to the toilet. | Jun 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | They say they are announcing more guidelines so we will see. One solution would surely have been to postpone the exams to a time when social distancing was not as necessary but I suppose we do not know when that is. | Jun 30 16:19 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Kymab caught the mouse as sufficiency strengthened by UK Supreme Court in Regeneron battle ([2020] UKSC 27) - The IPKat | Jun 30 16:21 | |
| schestowitz | Dear Max Drei, | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for your further comment. From all my contacts with the profession I can draw a strong conclusion: saving at the drafting stage backfires, sometimes very badly. | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | What you missed originally cannot be saved later, as especially the problem of added is always in the background. | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | A good way to discriminate between Art 83 and Art 84, is that when there is a true problem of sufficiency, it can in general only be overcome with adding matter. So you are left to choose between two evils, both lethal for your application/patent. | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | When it is a problem of support under Art 84, it can be overcome if the claims is limited to what has actually been disclosed. The broader the claim, the better it is to give some examples in the original disclosure and not just at the beginning of a claimed range. The better it will also be possible to justify inventive step. Further data is only allowable when it is at least plausible that what is claimed works as it is claimed. | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | It is also a problem of timing. Filing an application with only sketchy or unreliable data is also not advisable. But the competition is never sleeping. And we do not have what is called a continuation or a continuation in part on this side of the Atlantic. | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | The job of patent representative can give a lot of satisfaction and rewards, but he will always be dependent on the information he gets from his client. This should also not be forgotten. | Jun 30 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Attentive Observer, having been faced with the decision on countless occasions, I would say it is often impossible to say exactly when a complex biotech case should be filed, i.e. how much data is needed? Inventive step problems due to the prior art continues to be the major issue on biotech cases, and so the best rule seems to be to file as soon as possible, and take risks on sufficiency. Probably here also the decision on when to | Jun 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | file was correct because they are deemed inventive." | Jun 30 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | The question raised by Max Drei is whether the applicant was correctly advised in his patenting effort. In view of the result doubts can be expressed. | Jun 30 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Bringing in an application about an apparently ground-braking technique an example which does not work does not appear very responsible. | Jun 30 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Another question to be asked is whether the invention was ripe enough to be subject-matter of a patent application with all the requirements which go on a par. It seems that the rush to apply for a patent was detrimental to a valuable application. | Jun 30 16:22 |
| schestowitz | When looking at case law in the biotech area, lack of sufficiency is one of the major reason for refusal or revocation. It should thus not come as a surprise when such a patent is revoked for this ground. | Jun 30 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | In my haste to stimulate an enjoyable thread I missed the point that there was only one Example in the patent, and it did not work. (Thanks Attentive). No wonder then, that the judge at first instance baulked at upholding the patent. | Jun 30 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Nevertheless, I'm still intrigued by the challenge of how to deliver commensurate scope of protection when the claimed subject matter really does correspond to a "ground-breaking" principle. Only after the virgin ground has been "broken" does it emerge how to cultivate that fresh ground. It seems to be (still) a bit harsh to stipulate that the inventor who, shall we say, discovers a hitherto unrecognised scientific principle can | Jun 30 16:22 |
| schestowitz | obtain protection commensurate with the contribution that makes to technical progress only by teaching in the patent application how to "work" the principle all over its potential scope. | Jun 30 16:22 |
| schestowitz | But perhaps I'm worrying unnecessarily. After all, like the pemetrexed case, this case was also one in which unfortunate drafting made it very special. Will such Supreme Court cases remind those who set budgets for patent departments a bit more aware that the drafting stage is the first step in any patent litigation, and therefore should be adequately funded? I do hope so. | Jun 30 16:22 |
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