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[05:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 30 [07:51] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:58] schestowitz-TR good morning [07:58] schestowitz-TR yes, re your remark on ddos [07:58] schestowitz-TR I constantly feel compelled to pick the FUD and respond to it at least with one liners [07:58] schestowitz-TR that might not get noticed much [07:58] schestowitz-TR but even in TM and TR those same FUD patterns can be undone [07:58] schestowitz-TR and maybe readers will "take from from there" and rebut similarly ● Jun 30 [08:00] schestowitz-TR itwire used to be posting good rebuttals to fud [08:00] schestowitz-TR always from sam [08:00] schestowitz-TR I see he and hos co's now have mandatory microsoft spam to churn out [08:00] schestowitz-TR to defuse such rebuttals of FUD [08:00] schestowitz-TR or saturate to the point nobody will bother reading these [08:11] Techrights-sec2 yes there has been a terrible uptick in M$ spam there somewhat recently [08:11] Techrights-sec2 yes [08:11] schestowitz-TR like with upc, no perfect way to respond [08:11] schestowitz-TR for starters, you give visibility to something otherwise seen by just a handful of people [08:11] schestowitz-TR so I think a token, quick rebuttal, with repetition can help [08:11] schestowitz-TR same for gates foundation a decade ago [08:11] schestowitz-TR so the crimtical thinking kicks off [08:11] schestowitz-TR "it's not just me thinking this is BS..." [08:11] Techrights-sec2 the spam is damaging ITWire badly and it will soon be time to skip over [08:11] Techrights-sec2 checking it daily for news [08:13] schestowitz-TR less than a year ago we did, for maybe a month, have itwire in auto, [08:13] schestowitz-TR but it fatigued me as maybe I found one REAL ARTICLE (as in REAL) among a seas of [08:13] schestowitz-TR BS/spam. Not just ON-TOPIC of topic of interest to me, but something that [08:13] schestowitz-TR did nor smack of TFIR spamnil [08:13] schestowitz-TR the "extremely well-connected" "filmmaker" [08:14] Techrights-sec2 there are not so many on-topic articles there since the spam surge and [08:14] Techrights-sec2 of course even fewer relevant articles then [08:15] schestowitz-TR those are two separate aspects [08:15] schestowitz-TR one is akin to disinformation [08:15] schestowitz-TR so it's not merely time-wasting [08:15] schestowitz-TR it can do actual damage [08:15] Techrights-sec2 saturate, diffuse, confuse [08:15] Techrights-sec2 as a means of shutting down topics and sites [08:19] schestowitz-TR upside: SN recognises that it is under attack [08:19] schestowitz-TR downside: they seem to think spam is the problem; from what I saw, it might be astroturfing [08:19] schestowitz-TR like the astorturfing chris dibona privately told me about (when he was running ./) [08:20] schestowitz-TR /. [08:20] schestowitz-TR BTW, I was just thinking one hour ago: [08:20] schestowitz-TR how to best explain why TR does not have comments anymore [08:20] schestowitz-TR none this year [08:20] schestowitz-TR they are too much of a liability [08:20] schestowitz-TR companies can deface posts [08:20] schestowitz-TR I suspected there was such an attempt in schestowitz.com [08:20] schestowitz-TR to get it deindexed on a certain topic [08:22] Techrights-sec2 it is a problem of shills and astroturfing, naively mistaken as spam [08:22] Techrights-sec2 there's no way to log in and comment nor to log in and make an account [08:22] Techrights-sec2 then the UI is not very good and then perhaps most importantly [08:22] Techrights-sec2 it is out of fashion to comment at a site since most sites that still [08:22] Techrights-sec2 deal with comments outsource it to social control media instead so that [08:22] Techrights-sec2 it can be manipulated and censored for political means [08:23] schestowitz-TR trolling example [08:23] schestowitz-TR person A posts story: microsoft is good [08:24] schestowitz-TR persob B replies agreeing [08:24] schestowitz-TR many people don't agree [08:24] schestowitz-TR and here they are wasting a TON of energy getting angry at the people who lie for Microsoft [08:24] schestowitz-TR both persons A and B are a problem [08:24] schestowitz-TR we had this issue in IRC, like people who bring up sex [08:24] schestowitz-TR days ago the channel became about abortionbs, masturbation and other off-putting stuff [08:24] schestowitz-TR irc is like our comments section [08:24] schestowitz-TR but at least it is very much isolated from pertinent posts [08:24] schestowitz-TR linking to irc to claim something about a site is something debian disliked [08:24] schestowitz-TR very often projects introduce CoCs for this reason [08:24] Techrights-sec2 yes that's a similar phenomenon [08:34] schestowitz-TR "Outrage divident" [08:34] schestowitz-TR apt term re ^^^ [08:34] schestowitz-TR it's "soping" [08:34] schestowitz-TR doping [08:34] schestowitz-TR short-term gain in traffic [08:34] schestowitz-TR angry people [08:34] schestowitz-TR but it leads toa formation of resistance [08:34] schestowitz-TR so in the long run people don't come back [08:34] schestowitz-TR SN is making errorss [08:34] schestowitz-TR by creating resistance to readers [08:34] schestowitz-TR TM tries hard to avoid shit like WSL and Edg [08:34] schestowitz-TR no need to create strong emotional reaction [08:34] schestowitz-TR like LXer does sometimes [08:34] schestowitz-TR *dividend [08:34] schestowitz-TR some amateurs see that certain toxic storeies get more hits [08:34] schestowitz-TR so they post more and more of them [08:34] schestowitz-TR without realising the damage this 'doping' does to 'internal organs' [08:34] schestowitz-TR and that's how sites die ime [08:36] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:36] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:37] schestowitz-TR why would russia target norway? [08:37] schestowitz-TR any special reason?c [08:37] schestowitz-TR could be some 'stray' crackers, but I've not been paying attention to nordic politics in re russia [08:39] Techrights-sec2 norway is in NATO and there have been fights over oil and fishing. the fishing [08:39] Techrights-sec2 fights are, IMHO, because 1) that's where the political power is/was in Norway [08:39] Techrights-sec2 and 2) it is the only barrier to the oil [08:44] Techrights-sec2 cyberattacks are just one means of several used to politically destabilize the [08:44] Techrights-sec2 region; others include using settlers en masse to establish competing colonies [08:44] Techrights-sec2 within the contested territories, as well as combining all of the above with [08:44] Techrights-sec2 massive disinformation and social control campaigns via social control media [08:44] schestowitz-TR it's like an experiment [08:44] schestowitz-TR rt and sputnik have lojng played off the extreme right and the unwanted immigrants [08:44] schestowitz-TR it was so successful that they do this in the US now [08:44] schestowitz-TR and the countrry is fighting itself, becoming a laughing stock [08:44] schestowitz-TR much of this was enabled by internationalisation of comms [08:44] schestowitz-TR iow, the pentagon's "Internet" (ARPA) turned against itself [08:44] schestowitz-TR Both RT and Sputnik invited me [08:45] schestowitz-TR but only to "bash" the West [08:45] schestowitz-TR I'm not THAT foolish [08:45] schestowitz-TR Annie Machon has mostly vanished from site the past few years [08:45] schestowitz-TR as did RMS [08:45] schestowitz-TR and jill stein is something in history books [08:48] schestowitz-TR yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement [08:48] schestowitz-TR yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not [08:48] schestowitz-TR yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half [08:48] schestowitz-TR concurrently works to undermine the nation [08:48] schestowitz-TR The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok [08:48] schestowitz-TR is the social control media with rides atop the Internet [08:48] schestowitz-TR That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's [08:48] schestowitz-TR goals and later reputation; [08:48] schestowitz-TR RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them [08:48] schestowitz-TR since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest [08:48] schestowitz-TR in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites [08:48] schestowitz-TR However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point [08:48] schestowitz-TR . [08:48] schestowitz-TR leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters [08:48] schestowitz-TR anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections [08:48] schestowitz-TR instead of going after the real problem in their society: [08:49] Techrights-sec2 yes, they do that; the immigration is not the problem; it is the settlement [08:49] Techrights-sec2 yet they (RT , Sputnik) cultivate anger at all newcomers, whether hostile or not [08:49] Techrights-sec2 yes they eventually get the country fighting itself while at least one half [08:49] Techrights-sec2 concurrently works to undermine the nation [08:49] Techrights-sec2 The Internet is still ok, with the exception of BGP and DNS, what is not ok [08:49] Techrights-sec2 is the social control media with rides atop the Internet [08:49] Techrights-sec2 That was a smart decision; RT and Sputnik would have only worked against TR's [08:49] Techrights-sec2 goals and later reputation; [08:49] Techrights-sec2 RMS has mostly had good judgment but it was dumb to speak to them [08:49] Techrights-sec2 since, from the "interview", it was very clear they had *no* interest [08:49] Techrights-sec2 in software or software freedom and were only interested in anti-US sound bites [08:49] Techrights-sec2 However, RMS fatal mistake was not the mailing list faux pas but the inexcusiabinexcusably dumb decision to go to Redmond. They whacked him at that point [08:49] Techrights-sec2 . [08:49] Techrights-sec2 leaving his last prominent public appearance in the hands of M$ spinmeisters [08:49] Techrights-sec2 anyway the far right / extremist on the right are wound up about misdirections [08:49] Techrights-sec2 instead of going after the real problem in their society: [08:49] Techrights-sec2 the media and many officials also do what they can to facilitate that misdirection [08:53] Techrights-sec2 the key problem with the US elections is the first-past-the-post method [08:53] Techrights-sec2 of counting a "winner" rather than using proportional representation; [08:53] Techrights-sec2 some states are starting to correct that but both sides of the oligarch's [08:53] Techrights-sec2 group are heaviliy invested in the status quo and it is too late to change [08:53] Techrights-sec2 for the 2024 election so it will be more or less a repetition ofthe 2016 [08:53] Techrights-sec2 fiasco [08:53] Techrights-sec2 social control media and all [08:53] Techrights-sec2 [08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-30 [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-100 Percent Of The Vote - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-29 [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Public Doesn't Trust Us - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-28 [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ratbert In Charge Of Data Security - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-28 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-06-27 [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Voting Machine Market - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-06-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [08:53] Techrights-sec2 however even the topic of immigration is fraught with both misinformation [08:54] Techrights-sec2 and disinformation as so many intentionally conflate illegal migration, [08:54] Techrights-sec2 colonization, asylum, and work-based immigration [08:54] schestowitz-TR ack [08:54] schestowitz-TR checking the strips [08:54] schestowitz-TR I used to watch dilbert every day [08:54] schestowitz-TR the plasma thing was leaking RAM [08:54] schestowitz-TR so I stopped [08:56] Techrights-sec2 If I had to guess a lot of that is somehow related to knocking the bottom [08:56] Techrights-sec2 out of the labor market with the "gig economy" projects like Wolt, Uber, [08:56] Techrights-sec2 AirBNB, etc [08:56] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:56] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jun 30 [09:00] schestowitz-TR ok, so he risks being ncalled insurrectoinist and trump msupporter [09:00] schestowitz-TR it's the latest narrrative [09:00] schestowitz-TR for "voting" machione companies [09:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:01] Techrights-sec2 is this site legit? https://fsfellowship.news/ [09:01] Techrights-sec2 yes they use strawman arguments to great effect to the detriment of the [09:01] Techrights-sec2 actual elections [09:01] Techrights-sec2 so all researchers on the topic are now marginalized as their cause gets [09:01] Techrights-sec2 picked up and replaced by crazies [09:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.news | Free Software Fellowship [09:02] schestowitz-TR edwin black worried his books would be used by pro-lifers [09:03] schestowitz-TR because in his writings abotu eugenics he mentioned "Planned Parentlhood" [09:03] schestowitz-TR which does have historical connections to eugenics [09:03] schestowitz-TR so he wrote a disclaimer to distance himself and repel them [09:07] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:07] Techrights-sec2 J. Alex Halderman seems to have been forced into a very low profile [09:12] schestowitz-TR lol, eu politicians in their 70s agree to half petrol cars 13 years from now [09:12] schestowitz-TR I guuess they want cars that run on air when they are 6 feet under [09:12] schestowitz-TR what political BS [09:12] schestowitz-TR they could ban these immediately [09:12] Techrights-sec2 yes the deadline is so far into the future as to, careerwise, be "never" [09:13] schestowitz-TR like microsoft pledges for some year when the company might no longer exist [09:13] schestowitz-TR failing and bought by some other company for the trademarks [09:13] schestowitz
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    Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution
    [09:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-danielpocock.com | Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution [09:13] schestowitz
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    When a constitution was proposed in 1998, 357 co-authors of Debian were asked to vote on the constitution. This is not really voting though: people who gave a positive vote were agreeing to be members. People who gave a negative vote or did not vote at all have not consented to the constitution and therefore there is no way we can think of them as members of anything.

    [09:13] schestowitz

    The names of people who voted were published. Those people, just 86 developers, became members of an association by giving their positive assent to be governed by a constitution in their dealings with each other.

    [09:13] schestowitz

    That means there are 357 - 86 = 271 people, or 76 percent, who were satisfied to work on Debian as joint authors without any notion of an association.

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    • [09:16] Techrights-sec2 yes and while they delay, the damaging behavior goes on unabated [09:17] schestowitz-TR "let's spin our POLLUTION as warming up people's homes" [09:17] schestowitz-TR Zemlin: "you could pay me a couple of millions to say that you are green and your greeness is Linux(TM)-approved" [09:17] schestowitz-TR "shut up, Linus, none of yout business; I did not ask for your opinion" [09:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:29] schestowitz-TR kevin from shadowproof (used to be writing in other domains) has more or less become inactive [09:29] schestowitz-TR except when something major happens in the assange case [09:29] schestowitz-TR barrett bown also vainish afaict [09:29] schestowitz-TR a lot of WBer-related circles was gaslit by the media in recent years [09:29] schestowitz-TR it's like EPO scandals [09:29] Techrights-sec2 too many have become quiet of late [09:29] Techrights-sec2 that's true, I'd even forgotten about BB he has vanished so thoroughly [09:30] schestowitz-TR he keeps a stain that makes it harder for him to seek employment in TX [09:30] schestowitz-TR lots of typos above, sorry [09:30] Techrights-sec2 np [09:32] schestowitz-TR I might call it the "malda effetc" [09:32] schestowitz-TR one day you're a star [09:32] schestowitz-TR then a nobody [09:32] schestowitz-TR and it's hard to take, some sink into depression or other addictions like computer games [09:32] Techrights-sec2 computer games are a waste of life [09:34] schestowitz-TR playtime for kids used to involve balls and pavements [09:34] schestowitz-TR I guess that made them fitter and more social [09:35] schestowitz-TR I wasted a lot of my childhood on games [09:35] schestowitz-TR but mostly quests and strategy [09:35] schestowitz-TR not shooting [09:35] schestowitz-TR maybe better than watching TV, which I did too [09:37] Techrights-sec2 playing with SBC's whether general-purpose or microcontrollers would [09:37] Techrights-sec2 be much more constructive and even lead to positive side effects [09:37] Techrights-sec2 along those lines I see that MagPi 119 has been published: [09:37] Techrights-sec2 https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/issues/119 [09:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-magpi.raspberrypi.com | The MagPi issue 119 The MagPi magazine [09:38] Techrights-sec2 I see they are focusing more on their 'Pico' unit; I can guess several reasons [09:38] Techrights-sec2 one being that the parts shortages throughout the supply chain affect that [09:38] Techrights-sec2 type of board far less than their "full-sized" general-purpose boards [09:38] Techrights-sec2 worse than regular games, kids are now addicted to phone apps, such as (FB) [09:38] Techrights-sec2 instagram, tiktok, and others; that keeps them from interacting with [09:38] Techrights-sec2 eachother or anyone for that matter; so I would guess that a kid growing up [09:38] Techrights-sec2 now will have by age 20 the life experience of what a 12 year old used to have [09:38] Techrights-sec2 then at that age, even if they reform, it is way too late to make up lost time [09:38] Techrights-sec2 so their cognitive life is over without skills or experience [09:38] Techrights-sec2 TV was also a waste of time; looking back I regret even a minute of it [09:38] Techrights-sec2 though I grew out of it nearly 100% by late teens [09:41] Techrights-sec2 some types of games can help problem solving but only to a limited extent since [09:41] Techrights-sec2 they are so constrained; nowadays they are simply designed for addiction and [09:41] Techrights-sec2 pay-to-win in-game purchasing [09:42] schestowitz-TR The incredible machine (tim) and tim2 were nice [09:42] schestowitz-TR I still have notes with some titles of games I played [09:42] schestowitz-TR I wrote their named down during very boring lectures [09:42] schestowitz-TR trying to do something more useful with my time [09:42] schestowitz-TR all those lectures were a waste of time [09:42] schestowitz-TR I was like "extra" in an audicnece of some follow scholars whose work [09:42] schestowitz-TR I did not care about and barely understood [09:42] schestowitz-TR a lot of academia is like that [09:42] schestowitz-TR we get to pretend to care fo presentations [09:42] schestowitz-TR and do this mutually [09:42] schestowitz-TR so it's like "I like your tweet, you will like mine in return" [09:45] Techrights-sec2 social control media, as mentioned, is probably the biggest addiction and [09:45] Techrights-sec2 timewaster that people are afflicted with, but on top of both those problems [09:45] Techrights-sec2 there is the severe matter that it is used to manipulate values and opinions [09:45] Techrights-sec2 with the younger crowd, it is setting their vaues, mores, and worldview -- [09:45] Techrights-sec2 crookedly [09:45] schestowitz-TR did you see the post I did this morning about kakistocracy? [09:45] schestowitz-TR see the example given last [09:45] schestowitz-TR I can relate to it as I saw it [09:46] Techrights-sec2 checking [09:46] Techrights-sec2 yes, though summary needed a bit about how Campinos was hired despite being [09:46] Techrights-sec2 unfit [09:46] Techrights-sec2 that's in the bitmap but not the readable text [09:46] schestowitz-TR afaik, it was about battistelli [09:46] schestowitz-TR I could add this ref: [09:50] schestowitz-TR I cannot find it as I forgot the spelling of his french surname (not for the first time) [09:50] schestowitz-TR it's something like berranas [09:50] schestowitz-TR anyway, Battistelli is D player who brought another D, Campinos [09:50] schestowitz-TR so it was a turning point [09:50] schestowitz-TR those posts from yesterday were accessed a lot [09:50] schestowitz-TR let's hope they influence person-to-p[erson disloagues [09:59] schestowitz-TR OpenLibrary https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/29/enjoy-digital-ownership-and-public-libraries-while-you-still-can/ | Source: Techdirt [09:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Enjoy Digital Ownership And Public Libraries While You Still Can | Techdirt ● Jun 30 [10:03] schestowitz-TR just realised no irc post yet today [10:07] Techrights-sec2 checking [10:07] Techrights-sec2 it's there, just somehow WP choked on it somehow and it "missed schedule" [10:07] Techrights-sec2 I'll give it a kick in the nads [10:07] Techrights-sec2 that happens fairly often lately [10:07] Techrights-sec2 anyway, it's publishe now [10:09] schestowitz-TR asking any sites to REMOVE such functionality, however negligible, is like asking the cook to remove the mustard from your meakl [10:09] schestowitz-TR (yes, commit log cartoon) [10:09] schestowitz-TR or putting the toothpaste you don't need back inside the tube [10:22] schestowitz-TR I think it qawas called Comic Log [10:22] schestowitz-TR anyway, that too was a "plasmoid" [10:22] schestowitz-TR before I realised itwas clobbering at my system due to a bug and removed them all [10:26] Techrights-sec2 It's not removing anything, rather it is swapping out a kilo of javascript [10:26] Techrights-sec2 for two more functional HTML elements. However, I do see your point, their [10:26] Techrights-sec2 goal might not be to reach the largest possible audience but instead show [10:26] Techrights-sec2 off how "clever" they are through excessive and unnecessary javascript [10:26] Techrights-sec2 afflictions [10:26] Techrights-sec2 the 'Sunk Cost Fallacy' might also rear its ugly head in that they've already [10:27] Techrights-sec2 paid for the javascript development and therefore feel compelled to use it [10:27] Techrights-sec2 no matter how much it hurts [10:27] Techrights-sec2 Commit Log is not indexed in some of the search engines [10:27] Techrights-sec2 in the news, the one remaining bataclan terrorist will be able to continue [10:27] Techrights-sec2 his work but now from behind bars instead of spending the time reforming [10:27] Techrights-sec2 presumably he will spread his agenda to others if he allowed contact with [10:27] Techrights-sec2 other prisoners [10:27] Techrights-sec2 Can't find the comic link still [10:27] Techrights-sec2 dang that was difficult to dig out: https://www.commitstrip.com/en/ [10:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-CommitStrip | The blog relating the daily life of web agency developers [10:29] schestowitz-TR I've just tried, in vain, to find the cartoon [10:29] schestowitz-TR it does not matter much [10:29] schestowitz-TR you may have seen it already [10:38] Techrights-sec2 I've only seen a few from that strip [10:47] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 30 [11:06] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [11:13] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3w683ewpty7kk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 30 [12:01] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:02] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:12] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:50] *schestowitz[TR] is now known as nastywomantoxicman ● Jun 30 [13:00] *nastywomantoxicman is now known as toxictoxicity [13:28] *toxictoxicity is now known as schestowitz[TR] [13:35] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:40] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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I think being able to think clearly or compose thoughts is key to bliss. [14:05] thisideup they just pissed cause linux desktop is taking their place in russia [14:06] schestowitz-TR microsoft? [14:06] thisideup yes [14:06] schestowitz-TR that too [14:08] thisideup https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/windows-10s-22h2-update-might-not-actually-do-much-of-anything/ [14:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Windows 10s 22H2 update might not actually do much of anything | Ars Technica [14:08] thisideup thei just teasin russian cause they cant update [14:11] schestowitz-TR updates can be worse [14:11] schestowitz-TR can be back doors [14:11] schestowitz-TR custom-made for Russians [14:12] schestowitz-TR they should quit using windows altogether [14:12] schestowitz-TR if they care [14:12] schestowitz-TR not that I support putin [14:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:12] Techrights-sec2 M$ is always attacking, that's just the nature of the cult [14:12] Techrights-sec2 they attack because they can there were some Plaintiff's Exhibits to that [14:12] Techrights-sec2 effect saying it flat out [14:14] psydroid2 if I were Russia I would have thrown M$ out and demanded critical applications be ported to GNU/Linux a long time ago [14:22] schestowitz-TR they said they would [14:22] schestowitz-TR but the cult has presence there [14:22] schestowitz-TR to try to "defuse" rationality [14:23] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [14:24] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:26] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [14:26] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:53] thisideup I love google [14:57] schestowitz-TR Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/covid-19-patients-in-hospital/ [14:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Going Increasingly Dark (Intransparent) About COVID-19 Data Just When Its Surging at Astounding Rates (Worst Summer on Record) [14:57] schestowitz-TR thisideup: no you don't.. ;-) [14:58] schestowitz-TR Techrights-sec2: the issue is not exercise, the issue is how I stack up todo items and deal with overload of info spillover (calls on phone are super-bad) [14:58] schestowitz-TR I did a video this morning about how I can exercise while reading [14:58] schestowitz-TR and 'standing desk' [14:59] schestowitz-TR trying to buffer intent to do actions a-z is the hard part [14:59] schestowitz-TR after 3 items it's easy to lose track, so need to shield from overload or start taking notes down ● Jun 30 [15:10] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:58] schestowitz-TR "Linux gamer" so lost in terms of topics... "Picking parts for our new PC!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [15:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JfVgk7243pw ) ● Jun 30 [17:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:11] schestowitz-TR lesson of the day: clown computing = lunacy [17:12] schestowitz-TR target: world's largest (almost) municipality [17:12] schestowitz-TR downtime duration: 40 mins [17:12] schestowitz-TR cause: billing [17:12] schestowitz-TR greedy jeff bezos wants more money [17:12] schestowitz-TR root access not enough [17:12] schestowitz-TR large municipality: fail. db exceeds 45 gb [17:12] schestowitz-TR techrights: it's OK, our DB can also exceed 500GB ;-) [17:12] schestowitz-TR no need to ask the world's richest person, across the Atlantic, for permission [17:12] schestowitz-TR also: method of resolution: access PROPRIETARY GUI [17:12] schestowitz-TR IF you have credentials [17:12] schestowitz-TR (we don't) [17:13] schestowitz-TR russian hackers, hold 'yo beer [17:13] schestowitz-TR we have incompetent managers who outsourced the infra to "Sleepy Joe" [17:13] schestowitz-TR and who replaced mantris with jira [17:13] schestowitz-TR and... put the code in Microsoft ShitHub (Inner Source) [17:14] Techrights-sec2 and artificial constraints [17:14] Techrights-sec2 yes arbitrary billing problems that would not have occured if they had [17:14] Techrights-sec2 properly self-hosted instead [17:14] Techrights-sec2 yes that's another thing which has bothered me increasingly about these [17:14] Techrights-sec2 clown services, they are only accessible for the most part through proprietary [17:14] Techrights-sec2 interfaces and no longer commodity technologies [17:14] Techrights-sec2 decommoditization through proprietary interfaces [17:14] Techrights-sec2 and, intentionally, the knowledge is not transferable between clown services [17:17] schestowitz-TR "yo, get certified dudes" [17:17] schestowitz-TR and use the "skills" within 1 year, otherwise it's expired [17:17] schestowitz-TR the GUIs will chance all the time, so you need to join the diploma (TREAD)mill [17:17] schestowitz-TR that's today's "IT" [17:17] schestowitz-TR sold by resellers to other resellers and idiots like campinos [17:17] schestowitz-TR today's browsers are like that too [17:17] schestowitz-TR cert expired 1 minutesa ago!! RISK!!! "GET ME OUT!!!" [17:17] schestowitz-TR some web host, iirc, did something similar to me [17:17] schestowitz-TR instead of informing me of something [17:17] schestowitz-TR takee the site/service down first [17:17] schestowitz-TR this is typical [17:17] schestowitz-TR wordpress.com the same [17:17] schestowitz-TR or twitter [17:17] schestowitz-TR suspension first [17:17] schestowitz-TR then appeal [17:17] schestowitz-TR which they ignore anyway [17:17] schestowitz-TR I lost track od things that lack prior communication (before action) to lessen downtime, panic, angst [17:18] schestowitz-TR [downtime] "haha, NOW that we got your attention...!!" [17:20] schestowitz-TR not only in computing [17:20] schestowitz-TR power shut-off [17:20] schestowitz-TR water I think is hard to shut off remotely [17:20] schestowitz-TR "return to sender" without contacting you [17:20] schestowitz-TR many things like this I've noticed [17:20] schestowitz-TR "ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS PHONE ME FIRST!" [17:28] Techrights-sec2 the better way would been to require / force the clown services to [17:28] Techrights-sec2 have 1) a KVM-style console and 2) SSH [17:28] Techrights-sec2 that's it [17:28] Techrights-sec2 yes the "certifiation" continues to be a fraudulent, expensive scam [17:28] Techrights-sec2 not just the expired server certs, and argument can be made for that, however [17:28] Techrights-sec2 the *big* problem is that they all but outright block permanently certificates [17:28] Techrights-sec2 that are vouched for by anything other than a handful of shyster companies [17:30] schestowitz-TR hence, we use the term "cartel" sometimes [17:30] schestowitz-TR mark shuttlecock [sic] sold a share of this cartel [17:30] schestowitz-TR verisign [17:30] schestowitz-TR in turn, they exercise a lot of power [17:30] schestowitz-TR not some company in SA or little island near england (with its physical office in london) [17:30] schestowitz-TR but ANOTHER SU firm... [17:30] schestowitz-TR while the CAs or china s and russia (BRICS) are vil and black and dark [17:30] schestowitz-TR *evil [17:31] schestowitz-TR for all we know, even the "defence" budget could taker over his share of the cartel [17:31] schestowitz-TR which amounts to nothing more than some compouter issuing and "signing" a bunch of random bytes [17:31] schestowitz-TR what a scam [17:31] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:33] schestowitz-TR as you told andy lasy year 'round xmas time, wait and watch how the # of domains in the CAs "trusted" shrinks [17:33] schestowitz-TR over time, just like food giants and media conglemerates [17:33] schestowitz-TR to the point where "trust" just means "we are the GoodGuys(TM)" [17:33] schestowitz-TR and no pretence of openess or willingness to trust those that aren'e "good" like "Microsoft Philanthripies(TM)" [17:33] Techrights-sec2 web certificates are a confidence game [17:35] schestowitz-TR they also had data breaches and millions of invalidly or improperly issued certs, e.g. in LE and IIRC also godaddy at one point [17:35] schestowitz-TR so that confidence also relies on them being in control of their own systems [17:35] schestowitz-TR whether illfuilly or nitot [17:35] schestowitz-TR In TR articles about LE I gave the examples of Gemalto several times (recall snowdlden's NSA leaks) [17:35] schestowitz-TR and that "trusted" Swiss company that was in fact secretly owned by the CIA< based on verified press reports [17:36] Techrights-sec2 yes [17:36] Techrights-sec2 it is about conformance and extortion of payment not actual [17:36] Techrights-sec2 authenticity or confidentiality [17:36] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:39] schestowitz-TR to me, TOFU is better [17:39] schestowitz-TR it's decentralised in nature [17:39] schestowitz-TR you can even announc: in 30 days I will change my random bytes [17:39] schestowitz-TR if you see an error after dae x/y/z, press OK, proceed [17:39] schestowitz-TR heck, better yet, generate it in advantage and give fingerprint or public part in advance, as a headsup [17:39] schestowitz-TR buying a cert is not easy when your site is based in kenya [17:39] schestowitz-TR and most kenyans use chrome [17:39] schestowitz-TR LE is subsidised [17:39] schestowitz-TR it's not free [17:39] schestowitz-TR sometimes pays for the lights and the power bills [17:40] schestowitz-TR and they outsource both their operatiions and their web site to microsoft github [17:40] schestowitz-TR which tells you how serious they are about security [17:40] Techrights-sec2 I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at [17:40] Techrights-sec2 all [17:42] schestowitz-TR the person who made LE is not the boss of kaniini [17:42] schestowitz-TR I won't name the company [17:42] schestowitz-TR but you saw some logs related to that [17:42] schestowitz-TR anyway, they try to outdo 'secure' boot by decentralising the thing [17:42] schestowitz-TR to challenge microsoft monopoly on that [17:42] schestowitz-TR I am against the computer refusing to boot [17:42] schestowitz-TR they say, OK, we have this... but let's take the control out of Microsoft's hands [17:42] schestowitz-TR SJVN did a puff piece for them about 2 months ago [17:42] schestowitz-TR in an LF-bribed publisher [17:42] schestowitz-TR thenewstack iirc [17:42] schestowitz-TR /now the boss [17:42] schestowitz-TR not "not the boss" [17:42] Techrights-sec2 I think LE has been partially subverted which is why M$ GitHub is involved at [17:42] Techrights-sec2 all [17:42] Techrights-sec2 ^subverted and/or partially abandoned as far as its goals go [17:42] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:42] Techrights-sec2 ok [17:45] schestowitz-TR I think TR is one of VERY few sites that routinely speak about this issue [17:45] schestowitz-TR at the very least to raise awareness and encourage critical thinking in this otherwise [17:45] schestowitz-TR more technical-than-necessary (they use jargon to hype up the clevernesss or complexiity) "thing" [17:45] schestowitz-TR if put in simpler terms, people realise what this "browser warning" really is about [17:45] schestowitz-TR and why it's unjust on many levels [17:45] schestowitz-TR making it hard to self-host [17:45] schestowitz-TR also more expensive [17:45] schestowitz-TR easier to censor [17:45] schestowitz-TR we've not yet seen the CAs revoking CAs to censor (ish) [17:45] schestowitz-TR but DNS is already leveraged as such, to this effect... [17:47] Techrights-sec2 restricted boot is a very bad problem and it combines with the other layers [17:47] Techrights-sec2 of restriction [17:47] Techrights-sec2 I'm not sure about that, I suspect that 99.99% go with the presence or absence [17:47] Techrights-sec2 of the lock icon :( [17:47] Techrights-sec2 CAs have been abused; IIRC some ISPs in Turkey or some other dictatorship [17:47] Techrights-sec2 were forcing "customers" to backdoor their browsers' CA stash [17:47] Techrights-sec2 most ISPs don't even help customers to set up DNSSEC or for that matter [17:47] Techrights-sec2 even encourage it, assuming they even have it set up and available [17:47] Techrights-sec2 :/ [17:47] schestowitz-TR the CA revocation treadmill might start with some literally nazi sites [17:47] schestowitz-TR you can't say "no", can you? [17:47] schestowitz-TR you can lose your job ;-) [17:47] schestowitz-TR unless you are unemployed like activelow [17:47] schestowitz-TR he had 2 new nyms today [17:49] schestowitz-TR the nymshifting, I think, it due to reciving insults [17:49] schestowitz-TR being ignored [17:49] schestowitz-TR and losing legitimacy fast [17:49] schestowitz-TR like a nazi going into a pub [17:49] schestowitz-TR sooner or later he realises nobody wants him there [17:49] schestowitz-TR but in the pub you don't get to wear 10 different masks over time [17:49] schestowitz-TR we hoped the occasional snub or insult would send the message [17:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:58] Techrights-sec2 though I suppose it depends on what his goals are with / against the channel [17:59] schestowitz-TR not a mole, for sure, I know the name ● Jun 30 [18:00] thisideup why are you talking to the bot? [18:02] schestowitz-TR it's not a bot, michael [18:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:02] thisideup schestowitz- [18:02] schestowitz-TR TechRights [18:03] thisideup tell it to the kids [18:03] schestowitz-TR the EPO's union and CSC has been eerily quiet this past day [18:03] schestowitz-TR I'm thinking the next step is morre indutrial action [18:03] schestowitz-TR I've copied some good new comments into #techbytes [18:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [18:04] schestowitz-TR I don't trust Kluwer, they already had DB disasters in the past and seevral consecutive days of downtime [18:04] schestowitz-TR they also publish infrequently [18:04] schestowitz-TR they only get comments when they write about EPO abuses [18:04] thisideup theres a new monky island coming up [18:04] schestowitz-TR maybe that's a hint to them [18:04] schestowitz-TR re topics that need covering [18:05] schestowitz-TR yes, I saw [18:05] schestowitz-TR I loved the games from Sierra [18:05] schestowitz-TR was it Sierra? [18:05] schestowitz-TR Lucas? [18:05] thisideup its a great game for fencing arguments [18:06] schestowitz-TR this is why we back up "important" (as per topic) comments [18:06] schestowitz-TR they probably will go into a black hole within 5-10 years otherwise [18:06] schestowitz-TR just like LinuxToday and Groklaw comments [18:06] schestowitz-TR resigns, dhutdowns, faiiled D-R... [18:06] schestowitz-TR *redesign [18:06] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:08] thisideup Monkey Island 2 Special Edition: LeChuck's Revenge [18:08] schestowitz-TR had we had RELIABLE press in Europe, those comments would have little value [18:08] schestowitz-TR you'd just need the URL of the articles [18:08] schestowitz-TR or the wayback machine for these [18:08] schestowitz-TR but there is ZERO press coverage [18:08] schestowitz-TR the big story was relagated to "blog comments" [18:08] schestowitz-TR those whichh they allow [18:08] schestowitz-TR they cull many [18:08] schestowitz-TR seems EPO now threatsns Kluwer [18:08] schestowitz-TR like it had done IP Kat and me [18:08] schestowitz-TR based on an editorial text that they added last week [18:08] schestowitz-TR maybe threats of defamation lawsuit [18:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:09] Techrights-sec2 yes there is a lot of loss [18:09] schestowitz-TR thisideup: I posted a link to that some days ago [18:09] schestowitz-TR it brought back memories [18:09] schestowitz-TR dosbox can still run the original [18:09] schestowitz-TR or scummvm [18:09] Techrights-sec2 I hope they don't knuckle under [18:09] Techrights-sec2 and are able to deal with what sounds like a SLAPP [18:10] schestowitz-TR yes, I did a video about my impression of it [18:10] schestowitz-TR what typically happens is, [18:10] schestowitz-TR they get cold freet [18:10] schestowitz-TR *feet [18:10] schestowitz-TR and then move to another topic [18:10] schestowitz-TR which is what EPO Mafia(TM) wants [18:11] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:13] schestowitz-TR the staff reps must be terribly exhausted [18:13] schestowitz-TR in other news, last night we made progress at work [18:13] schestowitz-TR now they're willing to consider part-timers [18:13] schestowitz-TR and run a survey to check interests and preferences [18:13] schestowitz-TR deadline july 8 [18:13] schestowitz-TR i need to think carefully what to choose [18:13] schestowitz-TR lkike which times, days etc. [18:13] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:13] schestowitz-TR *like [18:15] Techrights-sec2 8 july is coming up very soon [18:15] Techrights-sec2 tomorrow is already the 1st [18:15] Techrights-sec2 so it's basically a week from now [18:17] schestowitz-TR yes, it is on my todo list for tonight [18:17] schestowitz-TR among many other things [18:17] schestowitz-TR after I forgoit something earlier today I became super-meticulous in note-taking [18:17] schestowitz-TR not sure if you saw the video about the desk and exercise [18:17] schestowitz-TR since the above incident I forgot nothing, even when the list gre rather long [18:17] schestowitz-TR my rss feeds are clean except for the opml bits, which i can catch up with in the [18:17] schestowitz-TR weekend anyway [18:17] schestowitz-TR you already "dilute" them when you go through these, I just swoop through the [18:17] schestowitz-TR remainder/remains/leftovers [18:17] Techrights-sec2 excellent [18:18] schestowitz-TR I got some work tasks for tonight and then the "end of month" tasks, which take about 30 mins to complete [18:18] schestowitz-TR mostly the gemini stuff [18:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:19] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:26] schestowitz-TR next week a client (university) is added [18:26] schestowitz-TR and it's a quiet one [18:26] schestowitz-TR universities outsource [18:26] schestowitz-TR as they lack sufficient in-house folks [18:26] schestowitz-TR "Ansible in AWS" [18:39] schestowitz-TR COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/30/england-covid-cases/ [18:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Cases Up 35.1% This Past Week (Deaths Up 30.1%, Hospitalisations Up 33.4%) [18:40] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:40] Techrights-sec2 eww, AWS [18:41] schestowitz-TR covid-19 in uk, like epo issue, is me trying to fill up a vacuum [18:41] schestowitz-TR because it's still a big issue which the masses are told to ignore [18:41] schestowitz-TR yes, like EPO abuses [18:41] schestowitz-TR when everyone closelyt involved KNOWS it is a catastrophe [18:42] schestowitz covid-19 + mortality figures are STILL available, but not as frequently [18:50] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 30 [19:08] schestowitz-TR OK, I am about to send my form [19:08] schestowitz-TR the way it is laid out [19:08] schestowitz-TR rianne and I ask for 16 hours, 8 break, 16 on again, then 5 days off [19:08] schestowitz-TR if we get that approved [19:08] Techrights-sec2 interesting choice of schedule [19:08] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:08] schestowitz-TR it makes some things simpler and it's weekend, hence quiet [19:08] schestowitz-TR there are pros and cons [19:08] schestowitz-TR long breaks and less hassle associated with preparing [19:08] schestowitz-TR handovers etc. [19:09] schestowitz-TR more swift when we take over for 16-hour slots [19:09] schestowitz-TR ok, finalised for now [19:09] schestowitz-TR whether we get that is another question [19:11] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:22] schestowitz " [19:22] schestowitz okay all the user wants is an easy editable file based wiki. [19:22] schestowitz Why exactly should this CSS compiler be needed? [19:22] schestowitz the bloatware dokuwiki currently spans no less than: [19:22] schestowitz wget https://download.dokuwiki.org/out/dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz [19:22] schestowitz tar fxvz dokuwiki-8186df5bcf8bba07ff8638254a75b094.tgz [19:22] schestowitz find ./dokuwiki |wc -l [19:22] schestowitz 5579 files [19:22] schestowitz " [19:23] schestowitz " [19:23] schestowitz (much less than some php frameworks but still a lot of files with a lot of stuff that could go wrong) [19:23] schestowitz once again violating UNIX K.I.S.S and leading to disasters [19:23] schestowitz PS: while a software as complex as DokuWiki has become DEFINATELY contains errors (like a very very faulty SPAM detection mechanism) [19:23] schestowitz Tthe hel forum https://forum.dokuwiki.org/ is engaging in utter useless overblocking. [19:23] schestowitz As soon as the user posts a single example link (even if that link does not even work) [19:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-forum.dokuwiki.org | DokuWiki User Forum [19:23] schestowitz It is reported as spam and the user is blocked forever. Be Brave New Web World. [19:23] schestowitz " [19:26] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is down even further, as usual https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/06/30/june-2022-web-server-survey.html [19:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | June 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News [19:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:35] schestowitz-TR they had come to accept defeat there (like a hydra without mana) but now the strategy is infitrating the winners [19:35] schestowitz-TR or cooping Linux (e.g. "Azure", even WSL as a server... yes, I saw some people trying that!!) [19:36] Techrights-sec2 As mentioned Azure is probably propped up in the budget by ongoing cannibalism [19:36] Techrights-sec2 of other departments. [19:37] schestowitz-TR and buyout [19:37] schestowitz-TR e.g. buy some embedded OS [19:37] schestowitz-TR slap the "azure" label on it [19:37] schestowitz-TR anyting to bolster these illusion of "growth" [19:40] psydruid all overly complex solutions will die and be replaced [19:40] schestowitz-TR like some wiki software [19:40] schestowitz-TR almost 6000 files [19:40] schestowitz-TR unbelievable [19:40] schestowitz-TR all you want is a wiki for maybe 10 pages [19:41] schestowitz-TR and you end up with this monster ● Jun 30 [20:06] Techrights-sec2 M$ has long given the illusion of growth through purchasing. In general they [20:06] Techrights-sec2 aim to buy the weakest, crappiest competitor out of the market. 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