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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jan 31 02:10 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Jan 31 02:10 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 | Jan 31 02:10 | |
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| Techrights-sec | httpd loos like it was unavailable only once | Jan 31 08:18 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | was that around the backup dumps? | Jan 31 08:18 |
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| Techrights-sec | Jan 31 08:37 | |
| Techrights-sec | It was approximate 3:40 utc | Jan 31 08:37 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Jan 31 08:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that is exactly when it always has issues, causing false alarms in monitoring too | Jan 31 08:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | :-) | Jan 31 08:37 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | restarting | Jan 31 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I did too around 9am | Jan 31 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 31 11:05 |
| Techrights-sec | I noticed the ~ 9:30 restart in the logs here | Jan 31 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | "Issues" (with uppercase "i", it's like a brand, a proprietary extension to Git for bug reports that Microsoft controls and won't let you export, at least not easily) | Jan 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | funding for OpenBSD LLL | Jan 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | features that would mostly be beneficial to Microsoft and to Windows | Jan 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Torvakds pointed out, albeit not so explicitly, "contributions" (so-called 'PRs') from GitHub would likely come from people who don't know how to use Git and E-mail, which means that the quality of the code is low and origin/motivation suspect. | Jan 31 11:57 |
| schestowitz | opening up to more people (when more code does not necessarily mean "better") isn't a measure of success, especially if it's something like a kernel where security is paramount | Jan 31 11:57 |
| schestowitz | the risk of putting a foot in Microsoft's doorstep, letting momentum be built up in the wrong platform -- a platform you do not actually control, as noted by Blender well before Microsoft had ambushed GitHub (2014) and then bought it (2018) | Jan 31 11:57 |
| Techrights-sec | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278783905001&w=2 | Jan 31 11:57 |
| Techrights-sec | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278748004702&w=2 | Jan 31 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC | Jan 31 11:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC | Jan 31 11:57 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ty | Jan 31 11:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | \\\typing up a draft at the moment | Jan 31 11:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | might be worth checking who josh stein works for | Jan 31 11:59 |
| Techrights-sec | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278687804194&w=2 | Jan 31 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC | Jan 31 11:59 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html | Jan 31 12:01 |
| Techrights-sec | m$ tossed them some chump change; it's a large sum for openbsd, but for a | Jan 31 12:01 |
| Techrights-sec | marketing company it's so small an amount that probably no one needed to sign | Jan 31 12:01 |
| Techrights-sec | off on it | Jan 31 12:01 |
| Techrights-sec | no idea where he works | Jan 31 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openbsdfoundation.org | Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation | Jan 31 12:01 | |
| Techrights-sec | there were others in the thread boosting m$ github | Jan 31 12:03 |
| Techrights-sec | ALternatives: https://sr.ht/ | Jan 31 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sr.ht | sourcehut hub | Jan 31 12:03 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://codeberg.org/ | Jan 31 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-codeberg.org | Codeberg.org | Jan 31 12:03 | |
| Techrights-sec | gitlab | Jan 31 12:05 |
| Techrights-sec | bitbucket | Jan 31 12:05 |
| Techrights-sec | not sure sourceforge is still worthy | Jan 31 12:05 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ack | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ty | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am reproducing in full the email messages on the matter | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so any more GOOD email messages that you can point to would helpo | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I want to use the cxounterarguments | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that are easier to reuse so to speak | Jan 31 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec | the e-mail messages are myopically focused on the technical aspects as per the pp | Jan 31 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ublic lists; what is equally important is to observe reuse of m$ tactics | Jan 31 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec | to disrupt and control; | Jan 31 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec | " We had two Gold contributors in 2020 Camiel Dobbelaar and Microsoft. " | Jan 31 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/campaign2021.html | Jan 31 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec | restarting httpd | Jan 31 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openbsdfoundation.org | The OpenBSD Foundation 2021 Fundraising Campaign | Jan 31 12:33 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | creude first draft | Jan 31 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | taking a break | Jan 31 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | very, very creude | Jan 31 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but giuves room for suggestions | Jan 31 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | let me know when done, i might do a video about this later | Jan 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the draft | Jan 31 13:10 |
| Techrights-sec | done with which task? | Jan 31 13:10 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Jan 31 13:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, needs restart | Jan 31 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | Also it is important to highligh the control that self-hosting of | Jan 31 13:23 |
| Techrights-sec | version control and bug tracking gives. Also for those that do not want to or | Jan 31 13:23 |
| Techrights-sec | cannot self-host, then there are many alternatives which are far better than | Jan 31 13:23 |
| Techrights-sec | M$ GitHub. See the list from earlier. | Jan 31 13:23 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 31 13:35 |
| Techrights-sec | restarting again | Jan 31 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | wow, back with a bang (the issue) after almost 2 days of calm | Jan 31 13:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 31 13:46 |
| schestowitz | [LSCMN] General Assembly on Tuesday 25 January, 15.00h: Recording and slides now available | Jan 31 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Dear colleagues, | Jan 31 13:46 |
| schestowitz | On 25 January, 950 colleagues in Munich followed the live transmission of the 1st General Assembly of 2022 organized by the Local Staff Committee Munich (LSCMN). | Jan 31 13:46 |
| schestowitz | The video recording can be found here and links to the slides in the table below: | Jan 31 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | Topic | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | Starting time | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | in recording | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | Further information | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | 1 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | New Normal - Teleworking | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | 1:51 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | slides, publication | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | 2 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | Career System | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | 9:27 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | slides | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | Fixed-term contracts | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | 17:52 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | publication, video | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | 3 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | Salary Adjustment Procedure | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | 24:01 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | slides, publication | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | 4 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | POLL: what to do next? | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | 38:38 | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:47 | |
| schestowitz | slides including poll results | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 5 | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | Q&A | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | 56:36 | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 31 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | During the meeting, a poll took place: 93% are rather dissatisfied about the current situation at the EPO and 89% consider participating in industrial actions. | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | We received many questions from the audience, and we are currently compiling a document in which we will address all open questions. However, if you have any open questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at mnstcom@epo.org. | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | We thank everybody who participated. We are already planning to organise a similar meeting soon. | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Kind regards | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Your Local Staff Committee Munich - LSCMN | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i wwill mention this later when rianne goes out to shoip and I record | Jan 31 14:18 |
| Techrights-sec | looking | Jan 31 14:23 |
| Techrights-sec | Expand very briefly on the opening sentence by identify /which/ misinformation | Jan 31 14:23 |
| Techrights-sec | is being spread. ALT text for image | Jan 31 14:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | draft | Jan 31 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, adding some URLs and image was not aded yet, was work in progress | Jan 31 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, I installed mat2 for removing metadata from files | Jan 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the EPO stuff is very urgent right now | Jan 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | more so than the FOSS things | Jan 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (IMHO) | Jan 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also, we are like the only site still covering that | Jan 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so if we say nothing, others will not | Jan 31 14:30 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe when I record the video about openbsd | Jan 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will try to focus on another angle | Jan 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | namely, why copyleft or reciprocal | Jan 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | bnetter protects you from abuse via things like | Jan 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | shithub, NSA, Microsoft etc. | Jan 31 14:35 |
| Techrights-sec | that might be mentioned in passing but if focusing on OpenBSD, they have no | Jan 31 14:37 |
| Techrights-sec | interest in reciprocal licensing and the self-determination and intergrity | Jan 31 14:37 |
| Techrights-sec | of the project and code base are of priority from waht I read of them | Jan 31 14:37 |
| Techrights-sec | So another video or post might focus on the need for reciprocity but | Jan 31 14:37 |
| Techrights-sec | it's one of those things they seem to be aware of but due to internal politics | Jan 31 14:37 |
| Techrights-sec | avoid mention explicitly. M$ could close down GitHib on a whim or mess | Jan 31 14:38 |
| Techrights-sec | with the code archive's contents when it wishes to with no recourse to the | Jan 31 14:38 |
| Techrights-sec | projects invovled. | Jan 31 14:38 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes. | Jan 31 14:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, so I shall focus on the self-determinationm aspect | Jan 31 14:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | reciprocisy being a side issue | Jan 31 14:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe security-breaking patches can be mentioned | Jan 31 14:38 |
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| Techrights-sec | restarting httpd | Jan 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | video git - done, but needs text to go with it, have not started that yet | Jan 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thanks, just recorded 2 videos in a row | Jan 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | see draft | Jan 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (i mean, if you want ;-) ) | Jan 31 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 31 16:56 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Jan 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | added a draft for openbsd | Jan 31 17:11 |
| Techrights-sec | The last paragraph is off. When following the thread it is imporant to keep | Jan 31 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec | track of who is a developer, and thus speaks with authority, and who is one | Jan 31 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec | ^on | Jan 31 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec | the outside. Probably best to avoid making recommendations and just stick to | Jan 31 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec | observations and facts. | Jan 31 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec | So the sentence with "that needs to" ought to be reworded. | Jan 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I swapped needs with tends | Jan 31 17:40 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks | Jan 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my bad | Jan 31 17:46 |
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