IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, August 31, 2022

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is there work on the server?

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it says things like connection was lost

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and then somr recent files (pages) are missing

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just a minute agomaybe MQTT is timing out? not sure..

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not at the moment / not for a while

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checking

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At least one cert needs updating for MQTT, I must have fat-fingered the date

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Correct.

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Cehcking

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MQTT is only used for notification and shouldn't block anything AFAIK

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I think the mqtt agent has just alrted me about connection issues for git, too

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the funny thing is that this impacts page generation, too :D

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I've just scrolled up again, seems at first one page was missing and then another page was missing, but the other was OK

Aug 31 08:24

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the pages are fine in gemini though

Aug 31 08:24

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checking more, seems maybe the temp files/dirs were at fault

Aug 31 08:27

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but that all started to happen after the MQTT issue

Aug 31 08:27

chunky

i wanna suck off a guy

Aug 31 08:29

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trolling here, too?

Aug 31 08:33

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How long should the client certs be good for? The last batch were set

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to expire yesterday, which was fine for a test period but the next batch

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of client certificates should be for longer.

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maybe 3 years? don't know...

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I'm just concerned that if they are open-ended they can get loose.

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However, if they expire frequently, it is a big pain.

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Yet, if they expire infrequently, it might be harder to deal with, maybe

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even forgetting the situation / notes completely by then.

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atm the only missing page, which updating does not re-create, is http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022-08-31T06:58/Games_Victoria_3_Steam_Deck_Necrosmith_and_Morwe.shtml

Aug 31 08:43

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022-08-31T06:58/Games_Victoria_3_Steam_Deck_Necrosmith_and_Morwe.shtml )

Aug 31 08:43

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you can see from the URL what goes wrong or went wrong

Aug 31 08:44

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the date part

Aug 31 08:44

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oh, I see, the correct page too links to a bad today's howto URL

Aug 31 08:46

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so my guess is, new pages are created which create wrong navigation links

Aug 31 08:46

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checking the links first now

Aug 31 08:52

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The generator should have produced a better error when I ran the test :/

Aug 31 08:52

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gym biab

Aug 31 08:52

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Aug 31 09:15

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ack

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Ok the date error is fixed.

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Thanks for spotting it and sorry it slipped through the tests here.

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Looking at OpenSSL in a bit

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back now

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thanks for correcting the bug!

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i spent about 3 hours last night trying to improve frontpage mockup (and mobile)

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the one running on tuxmachines-old

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rianne's exam is this afternoon

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meanwhile I took note of things to do today, it seems like very slow news, rianne is suprised by this and we checked if there's some US holiday

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*surprosed

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tuxmachines still yields about 50 pages/day, the granularity changes a bit

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Again, I hope she does very well on the exam.

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I agree the news has slowed down again quite a bit. For quite a few years now,

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it never bounes back from holidays of any kind. Now with the end of summer in

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the northern hemisphere, it has gone down even further. Perhaps the budgets for

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the autumn have been cut again.

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I wrote 4 or 5 posts about LF yesterday

Aug 31 09:46

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I hope you saw them

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one mentions the fate of linux.com

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based on IRS files from the year all people got fired except maybe spamnil

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and sheela "left"

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as I expected

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I only found out because I checked to see if jimbo still claims to speak "Japanese"

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he is walking on glass, maybe he will also delete all his linkedin posts next

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Yes, I saw. Perhaps there is only a shell left.

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meanwhile the guy they hired to run linux.com has been mia for a month

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and i expect 2021 had further decreases in revenue

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to the point where such salaries are untenable

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they pay many sites like itsfoss and fofssofrce to shill the diploma mills

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zdenet also

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itsfoss even post this shit to tm

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i unpublished it immediately

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we have a "no spam/scam" policy

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ack

Aug 31 09:59

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in the past 4 items in TM RSS feed you can see the funny chars where slanted quotes were (in HTML)

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maybe a filter for charset is needed for shlomi fish's module in order for it to cope with incompatibilities in data passage

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aside from that, in git the part that says atm needs changing to rss to better inform the client/browser that it is RSS/RDF

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that links to "purl" -- I assume he maintains some other specs/schema that may change over time

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I remember that when the netscape site got "renovated" it broke a lot of things to many people

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ack

Aug 31 10:16

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http://tuxmachines.org/ frontpage.php

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines

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just a mockup for now

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remove spaces

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now a real url except for test

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i use php to separate updates from new items

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the mobile mockup is less busy

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it's in git, both of them

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*not a "real" url

Aug 31 10:21

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TM would be best off focusing on the DATA, not www. gemini, mqtt, rss, atom, rss-generated pages (more so than the old site, which also did this to an extent)

Aug 31 10:23

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so it is about the content rather than presentation, with some sorts of apis and hooks

Aug 31 10:23

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ack

Aug 31 10:30

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ok check the feed now, it should be ok even with & and stuff like smartquotes

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The data in the database is ok; With the exception of the date format today,

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the problem has been extracting it in light of the quirks of various modules.

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and standards.

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fixed :) :)

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rianne has just 'complained' again that there is "zero news" in her feeds

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I asked if literally zero (technical issues)

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she said, no

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just totally nothing interesting

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so we'll need to dive deep and get creative today

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this is the second day in a row she says that

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and marius is not publishing much either

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phoronix is running AMD brochures and picking totally meaningless commits to comment on

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people still work

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developers still develop

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news is happening

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stuff happens

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the issue is, not many are left to report on it

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so this is an investment problem

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there could be 10,000 articles about EPO in "the mews" or "media" this past decade

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this past year the number was like one dozen

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mostly paid-for puff pieces like EIA

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Record added

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Creating temporary directories and files

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Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies

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Date::Calc::PP::Date_to_Time(): Date::Calc::Date_to_Time(): date out of range at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 873

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Updating SSI files

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Could not validate '20220831T10:19'

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Issuing rollback() due to DESTROY without explicit disconnect() of DBD::SQLite::db handle dbname=/var/www/tuxmachines.org/db/tm-static-site-generator.sqlite3.

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Writing the RSS feed for HTTP

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Could not validate '20220831T10:19'

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Issuing rollback() due to DESTROY without explicit disconnect() of DBD::SQLite::db handle dbname=/var/www/tuxmachines.org/db/tm-static-site-generator.sqlite3.

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Writing the Atom feed for Gemini

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Could not validate '20220831T10:19'

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Issuing rollback() due to DESTROY without explicit disconnect() of DBD::SQLite::db handle dbname=/var/www/tuxmachines.org/db/tm-static-site-generator.sqlite3.

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Writing the Gemini index

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Could not validate '20220831T10:19'

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Issuing rollback() due to DESTROY without explicit disconnect() of DBD::SQLite::db handle dbname=/var/www/tuxmachines.org/db/tm-static-site-generator.sqlite3.

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Pinging via MQTT

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Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found.

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Erasing temporary directories and their files.

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curiously enough the page before that, "Tor and Security", was added without any problems

Aug 31 11:30

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Metadata:

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Date: [2022-08-31T10:18] Linux and WWW: Ports, RSS, JS, and CSS

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Invalid date 'Linux and WWW: Ports, RSS, JS, and CSS'

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Date:

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Date: [20220831T10:19]

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Author: [Roy Schestowitz]

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Title: Linux and WWW: Ports, RSS, JS, and CSS

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checking

Aug 31 11:45

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the buffer is too short, can you show the beginnig of that paste again?

Aug 31 11:47

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after scrolling up a bit, I thinkt he date format upon suggestion (rianne too make these errors sometimes) is missing the "-"

Aug 31 11:47

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Aug 31 11:53

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I entered title into date

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it corrected me with 20220831T10:19

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not 2022-08-31T10:18

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I didn't tamper or manualyl enter a date

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it was suggested to me and I pressed ENTER

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as I did many times before

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thanks, checking

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I'm not sure how that one occured since the one a few minute earlier had

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been ok. yes

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Oh! The date was entered manually?

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I forgot that was there. I suppose we should leave it but better date validation is needed there in the add script.

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oh, I'll fix that

Aug 31 12:05

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interesting

Aug 31 12:05

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I edited the latst page to enter a correct title

Aug 31 12:06

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it did create ther page again, the script hangs after Ceating static... hierarchies

Aug 31 12:06

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thanks for spotting that

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can you try the same process now?

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thanks again for spotti

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thanks for spotting that

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can you try the same process now?

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thanks again for spotting that

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ng that

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thanks for spotting that

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can you try the same process now?

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thanks again for spotting that

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lovely. Worked perfectly this time around

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I will add 3 pages in a row now

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been cuffering them

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that'll help validate any new changes

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messing about some more with frontpage.php

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the one missing image is due to a filename with a space in it, causing problems for xargs

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if I download such files I really should rename them

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Aug 31 14:37

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xargs --null and feed that with -print0 or whatever option is needed to

Aug 31 15:09

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have null-delimitd output for xargs

Aug 31 15:09

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yes, but the problem in this case was different

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atm it is a cronjob under "roy"

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ot: I foolishly forgot that ddos protection swaps htaccess files

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so I zapped all the redictions this morning when I ran ddos protection (needed to)

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but no big deal, I still have the script I made for these rules and I need to improve these redictions anyway

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then I need to deposit these changes aside, didn't forsee the file being ovewritten

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ack

Aug 31 15:18

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ok, I've tested all the "missing" pages and they redirect OK to static

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the "old" site still does about 3 hits/sec

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it's a very old site

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some of that traffic is bots

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reminds me we need more navigation to reach old pages

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and now everything is there, with 2 months' nodes all going to the new site OK

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I've added a broader wilfcord for the RSS feed

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*wildcard

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so anything that looks like feed request goes to the active feed

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now, regarding front page, or anything near top level, I want to do some more work before planting the php file

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maybe tuxmachines.org/index to make it consistent with techrights?

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ack

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with the actual PHP parts removed I hope ...

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Though biased, I prefer the simpler layout a lot and would like to avoid

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geocitiesing it up too much. Maybe a page below the main page could have

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more options and details. Also, it is (IMO) important to try to keep it

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so that visually it reminds of the old layout.

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I've just noticed that the new rss feed does not, unlike before, have author shown

Aug 31 15:29

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this is not really a problem, just a difference

Aug 31 15:29

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the php file would go on the old server, being a sort of umbrella

Aug 31 15:29

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RSS 2, or at least the W3C validator, requires an e-mail address for author

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instead of a name. I can set it so it does publish author but then it won't

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validate.

https://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification

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https://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification#ltauthorgtSubelementOfLtitemgt

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.rssboard.org | RSS 2.0 Specification (version 2.0.11)

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.rssboard.org | RSS 2.0 Specification (version 2.0.11)

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The spec seems to say specifically as an e-mail address. I think that's

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a stupid decision on their part. Another option might be to use the

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Dublin Core namespace and put the string in dc.creator or dc.contributor

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However, even though the spec supports it, the module's support of

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namespaces is in question still.

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very interesting, I did not know that and it does sound dumb

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comparing to RSS at TR....

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techrights uses <dc:creator>

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<|[CDATA[name...]]>

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</dc:creator>

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namespaces is in question still.

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Yes, the question is how to shoehorn it into the RSS 2.0 object as managed

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by the XML::RSS module.

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if it cannot be done easily, doesn't matter much

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it's just somsething I happened to notice are rectifying the absent redirects

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which maybe lasted about3 hours (before I noticed due to netsurf throwing a warning)

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I'm going to back up .htaccess and also put it in the ddos protection thing, which is rarely

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needed anymore because the load of the site is lower

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ok, .htaccess.normal is now same as .htaccess

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so it won't wipe wha's there

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also, I made another copy of iut

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will do a few sanity checks, then get some rest

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rianne will be back soon (no results today)

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I hope the test went well today.

Aug 31 16:16

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decided to stay up until afetr she arrives/returns

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impolite to be in bed when she has news

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I've just posted two things about today's covid-19 numbers

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I'll try to think how to better expand TM "content" to more protocols etc.

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the www is not doing well

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I grew up with the web

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it won't die overnight

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but it's impossible to dent it is langusishing and moreover it seems clear that even the "giants" are a lot of bots

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spwmnil's youtube channel is llike 9% vclickbots now

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and youtube exec resigns, twitter fights a wber ands musk

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fb down from almost 400 dollars to 150... and it deserves to be no more than $40

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waiting until the ship drowns is deja vu

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also wishful thinking

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it's like developing olpc xo in 2022

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or clinging onto TDE, trinity

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*95% clickbots I meant

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not 9

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big typo

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he's probably not alone, but it takes work to be able to prove it

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gulag has long sold adsense to companies that just saw their credits falling with no traffic or sales

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FB does the same

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ack

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the "adtech" industry is mostly a fraud

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many now fold

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ack

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Th difference bwteen all those botfarms and clickfarms is how they market it or lie to shareholders

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IMHO

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sure, some have more traffic (or both) than others

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but all of them seem to be lying to shareholders by an order of magnitude at times

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I'm very sure youtube loses money

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same for azure and other things

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depending on what they actually want to count to mislead you

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github is a massive loss

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but they perceive the power it gives them as something they can one day "cash in " on

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each time they try to piss people off

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we live in a world full of bakkt

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but nobody is daring enough to shout from the crowd that the emperor of "naked"

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*is

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Mary Jo Foley has just written a BS piece trying to blame "Ubuntu" for Azure (Microsoft) issues

Aug 31 17:08

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Not a surprise. Azure is full of security holes, in addition to unreasonably

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high operating costs and poor performance. They'll continue their decades long

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tactic of blaming "Linux people" for all their problems

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For a while that was their go-to excuse for getting cracked or defaced.

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I've just quoted you in TM about mj foley

Aug 31 17:22

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ack

Aug 31 17:23

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I wouldn't consider myself an authority on anything though, just some noise here

Aug 31 17:23

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Microsoft is never at fault

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it's the users

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the crackers

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the media

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etc etc.

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nation states

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third parties

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old devices with "bad" drivers

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that Microsoft won't support

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opr brok

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there used to be a joke about "google 'microsoft blames'"

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not to mention there was an intractable dependency hell for all Windows drivers

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There was no apparent versioning and newer programs could overwrite existing

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drivers with /older/ versions, causing huge problems.

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Any amount of money to buy name-dropping used to be a firing offence.

Aug 31 17:31

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checking

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not finding Devuan there but there was a link to /another/ M$ Azure outage

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"Microsoft Azure has no layoffs" "Bloomberg says it's only 1%" "All Windows is unstable? Even at people's homes and in businesses?"

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this was mrntioned in a headline in Daily Links and a long batch in TM eysterday

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You have to have an innate ability to be a liar if you are a Microsoft apologist

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psydruid: maybe Dina Bss

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Microsoft's mole in there

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*Bass

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I called them out on it

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Downvoted to oblivion and character assassination

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And everything I wrote is wrong, of course

Aug 31 17:44

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I don't know how countries and businesses in them even consider Microsoft in any way suitable to run their operations

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MX Linux ships with systemd :/

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it is not a viable substitute for Devuan

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Their page also lies about the nature of systemd, incorrectly describing it

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as an init system.

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^MX

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psydruid: join the club

Aug 31 17:46

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been on this boat since a student

Aug 31 17:46

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psydruid: they can isdolate and intimidate few

Aug 31 17:50

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to keep the rest silent

Aug 31 17:50

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but if enough of us speak out, they will run away

Aug 31 17:50

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or if you present strong proof

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like police files

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or IRS material

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then they start name-calling like "you're crazy"

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"you are hateful"..

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and mjg59_ will claim in shitter.com that you support something rape...

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"everyone!!! don't listen to him, he's obviously some rapist.."

Aug 31 17:52

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rianne celebrated in a number of ay

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the exam was a breeze and ended early

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she was last for the day

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the next exam is even easier and she might get perfect score (like in some mockups)

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she doesn't need gsoc/outreachy and crap like this, she is naturally smart

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*not mockups, mock exams

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Nice

Aug 31 18:00

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bbiab

Aug 31 18:01

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break

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happy here

Aug 31 18:01

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ack

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schestowitz-TR2

tuxmachines has about 200 rss feeds

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for forums, blogs, topics...

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I've just redirected all those feeds to the active feed

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as all those old feeds are basically stale and won't yield anything

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in the url structure you can see the referring url request after ?