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Techrights-sec2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help#Quiet_and_banning_guidelinesDec 31 07:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help - WikipediaDec 31 07:34
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schestowitz__[TR]x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/ats-to-focus-on-dark-web-cryptocrime-drone-tech-dgp/88604598Dec 31 08:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Ats To Focus On Dark Web, Cryptocrime & Drone Tech: Dgp, CIO News, ET CIODec 31 08:41
Techrights-sec2would you and zoobab consider presenting at CCC next year about sw patents Dec 31 09:02
Techrights-sec2if the conference is wholly online again next december?Dec 31 09:02
Techrights-sec2would you and zoobab consider presenting at CCC next year about sw patents Dec 31 09:02
Techrights-sec2if the conference is wholly online again next december?Dec 31 09:02
schestowitz-TRI can ask himDec 31 09:02
Techrights-sec2thanksDec 31 09:24
schestowitz-TRdoneDec 31 09:25
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schestowitz__[TR]typos corrected in this archives version:Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]Stefano Maffulli wrote on 30/12/2021 17:26:Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]> (condensing in one thread)Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]> I think you're misinterpreting Josh's words. Plus i believe he is referring to 2020.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]Yes, he is. Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]> Josh says that *clearlydefined* has a budget of roughly $250k. That's what Josh means when he says "earmarked". That money is not for OSI to use. They're a separate team making their own decisions. OSI acts as a fiscal sponsor for CD.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]I'm not misinterpreting this; I listened again and I know what he meant.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]> Fundraising for OSI in 2021 gave better results than in 2020. I encourage you to draw your own conclusions about the diversity of funding sources looking at the list of sponsors and the amounts they contribute on opensource.org.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]Last I checked (IRS is always behind), 95% of the money comes from corporations. Simon did not even bother refuting this, he just got all upset about me pointing that out.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]---------Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]Correction: I've just checked the latest available IRS filing.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]96% of the budget comes from corporations. So it has in fact gotten worse since I last checked.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]Also, I am sincerely unsure about whether the Microsoft/GH/CD-OSI arrangement is in compliance with IRS regulations, but I'd have to ask an American accountant.Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]---------Dec 31 16:17
schestowitz__[TR]Remember that historically I SUPPORTED OSI. You lost many >COMMUNITY< supporters.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]Sometimes I think you wilfully forgot that C word: COMMUNITY.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> I am open to honest debate and conversations, not interested in becoming a punching bag. Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]I welcomed you when you came to OSI. I even got flak for that.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]You did come from the COMMUNITY. I hope you can repair the OSI, but I dread its current trajectory. The less relevant the OSI becomes, the less the corporations will need to "support" it. And this is how popular movements get 'defused'.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]I should note that the OSI's 2 co-founders are either banned or left in protest. That alone tells a great deal.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> All we've done yesterday was publishing an update from an open source project supported by OSI and you jumped from there to concluding that Microsoft owns OSI and me?Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]No, I reached the conclusion that Microsoft plays a corrosive role in OSI a very long time ago. I was hoping you'd change course. Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]Let's not inflate accusations against me, either. Straw man arguments are unhelpful.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> I'm hoping that clarifying the nature of collaboration between OSI and CD gives you better insights and helps you at least to suspend judgement.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]GitHub is the #1 threat at the moment (I explained the reasons many times before). You folks took money from Microsoft through two palms and then reciprocated disproportionately.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> 1) OSI doesn't "censor": Twitter suspended you. They're notoriously not fair in how they handle judgements.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR] Twitter suspended  me because some person or people filed complained about my tweets about OSI, conveniently framing that as "COVID". Twitter took the wrong action and says it may take "DAYS" to process my appeal.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> 2) i believe you attribute to OSI the wrong mission. The mission of OSI is not the abolition of proprietary software. That's the role of the FSF. OSI mission is to be the steward of the open source definition. OSI *doesn't promote* proprietary software agenda and it's always been pragmatic about it.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]There are many untrue things in the above statement, but I shall leave it aside.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> I have office hours on Fridays to talk with community members. I encourage you to book time so we can chat more in depth about these topics and the future plans for OSI. Go to Https://cal.com/smaffulli to find time that suits youDec 31 16:18
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cal.com | Stefano Maffulli | Cal.comDec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]I prefer written communication if that's OK. Also, I'm not an enemy, mind you, I just see happening right now what happened in LF and OSDL. I am hardly shocked that Patrick jumped ship. It was getting pretty rough around that time...Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> /StefDec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]> Ps I'm glad that your Twitter account wasn't suspended for long: i see a lot of tweets coming from your account, I'm glad that issue was resolved. I asked about mastodon because I'm sure you know that distributed networks are a lot more resistant to arbitrary decisions by the puppet masters.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]No, Twitter left me suspended. I'm unable to post anything for 6 more days.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]I use an instance of Diaspora, the Fediverse has its own share of issues that I wrote about over the years.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]I am interested in further dialogue. You and I have far more in common (than opposition) and I think you underestimate the forces of entryism in any such institution -- included the OSI -- which helps bypass direct negotiation with actual communities. OSI became like a "yellow union" some years ago.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz__[TR]To Simon's credit, he did have a good grasp of such threats; he kicked out Black Duck -- mostly a Microsoft proxy (I've been tracking their actions since 2007) -- but somehow Microsoft slipped through the filter. I don't believe it was his decision alone.Dec 31 16:18
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Techrights-sec2back in a bitDec 31 16:34
Techrights-sec2backDec 31 16:34
Techrights-sec2even Amnesty is colluding to avoid naming patents:Dec 31 16:34
Techrights-sec2https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/12/covid-19-wealthy-states-and-pharma-companies-catastrophically-failed-to-ensure-equal-access-to-vaccines-in-2021/Dec 31 16:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.amnesty.org | Covid-19: Wealthy states and pharma companies catastrophically failed to ensure equal access to vaccines in 2021 - Amnesty InternationalDec 31 16:34
Techrights-sec2first article found : Dec 31 16:35
Techrights-sec2https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/30/texas-team-applauded-giving-what-big-pharma-refuses-patent-free-vaccine-worldDec 31 16:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Texas Team Applauded for Giving What Big Pharma Refuses: A Patent-Free Vaccine to the WorldDec 31 16:35
schestowitz__[TR]Yes, I saw that and linked to it. More and more articles in daily links DO name PATENTS, and this is GREAT newsDec 31 16:35
Techrights-sec2excellentDec 31 16:48
Techrights-sec2My feeds have not mentioned them previouslyDec 31 16:48
Techrights-sec2(that I recall)Dec 31 16:48
schestowitz-TRit would be nice to think that we have played even a small role in growing mention of the elephant in the room: patentsDec 31 16:49
schestowitz-TRuploading 'mega-video' on OSI ATMDec 31 16:50
Techrights-sec2Pieter Hintjens used to comment that institutions have to be replaced periodicallDec 31 16:52
Techrights-sec2y as they cannot usually be salvaged once a threshold has been crossed.Dec 31 16:52
schestowitz-TRyes, I remember that and maybe you noticed because I mentioned it? Not sure, but anyway, OSI is one of several that need replacing.Dec 31 16:52
Techrights-sec2It's something I consider periodically since I see the pragmatism involved inDec 31 17:03
Techrights-sec2that opinino,.  Yet at the same time there is merit in salvaging the brandDec 31 17:03
Techrights-sec2or name.  However, microsoftrers and their ilk work hard to ensure that theDec 31 17:03
Techrights-sec2damage is beyond repair. Dec 31 17:03
Techrights-sec2I can't find mention of it in th earitlce at the momen but the title mentions Dec 31 17:03
Techrights-sec2sums up the sad state.  Dec 31 17:03
schestowitz-TRre infiltrations and all, we have some Microsoft leaks to that effect. EFF is a mess, but not limited to the same actors doing the damageDec 31 17:04
schestowitz-TR Pieter's words may have passed from zoobab to me and then to techrights. I don'tDec 31 17:59
schestowitz-TR recall seeing or reading it directly from him. ffii is sort of finished, zoobabDec 31 17:59
schestowitz-TRhates fsfeDec 31 17:59
schestowitz-TRdo you wish to see part 7 a priori to catch typos?Dec 31 17:59
schestowitz__[TR][09:02] <Techrights-sec2> would you and zoobab consider presenting atDec 31 18:14
schestowitz__[TR]CCC next year about sw patentsDec 31 18:14
schestowitz__[TR][09:02] <Techrights-sec2> if the conference is wholly online again nextDec 31 18:14
schestowitz__[TR]december?Dec 31 18:14
schestowitz__[TR][09:02] <schestowitz-TR> I can ask himDec 31 18:14
schestowitz__[TR]zoobab: Too late, once UPC is running!Dec 31 18:14
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schestowitz__[TR]http://techrights.org/2021/12/31/open-source-initiative-floundering/Dec 31 19:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Why the Open Source Initiative Cannot be Saved (It’s Too Heavily Controlled by Monopolies) | TechrightsDec 31 19:56
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Techrights-sec2kind of around Dec 31 20:14
schestowitz-TRjust had our fine dinner for quarter price or lessDec 31 20:14
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