●● IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, September 12, 2021 ●● ● Sep 12 [00:12] kingoffrance https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16565151 [00:12] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-news.ycombinator.com | DirectFB | Hacker News [00:13] kingoffrance KGI was an incredibly well engineered API, portable GPU interface, and reference implementation for FreeBSD-8.x and Linux-2.x, providing modern features and GPU programming paradigms to Linux and Unix systems; monolithic or micro-kernel designs. KGI required the General Graphics Interface for a complete user experience, as in, a replacement X server called XGGI, however, it also functioned very well without X or any other heavy graphica [00:13] kingoffrance l windowing system analogous to The X Window System, it was engineered for embedded systems too. GGI was an amazing project too, with it's platform agnostic way to draw graphics via it's multiple display targets or surfaces; DirectFB; SDL; DirectX; KGI; X11; VGL [00:13] kingoffrance there was ggi too, but never saw it used [00:13] kingoffrance quote A shame neither took off, and we are now left with X.org's insistence on Linuxisms for GPU development. [00:19] kingoffrance like tinyxlib and tinyx server...quote DirectFB was great for small embedded systems projects where you didn't want the full weight of X. Unfortuntaely I don't think there's any alternative to X any longer for these kinds of projects, probably because the cost of a SoC capable of running X has fallen to the point where it doesn't make sense to economise anymore. [00:24] kingoffrance thats not to say everyone wants some "generic" thing, seen as overengineered to many people [00:24] kingoffrance but i think that was a good part of why these things were not maintained [00:24] kingoffrance the people wanted performance and gpu stuff...wanted to eliminate x [00:25] kingoffrance the embedded stuff, moores law maybe (but also law of bill and andy) meant " probably because the cost of a SoC capable of running X has fallen to the point" [00:25] kingoffrance seems they were getting hit from multiple "sides" [00:25] kingoffrance people who wanted rid of x, and not seen as a need at "lower" end either [00:26] kingoffrance and, for gpu stuff especially perhaps, having to beg for documentation etc. surely didnt help [00:28] kingoffrance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwindows [00:28] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-en.wikipedia.org | Microwindows - Wikipedia [00:30] kingoffrance similar thing there too i think; such things exist, but dont get much attention it seems [00:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [00:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [00:37] kingoffrance *people who wanted [00:41] activelow verified libsdl2 on framebuffer console with mesa-opengl backend (without directfb in this case): at least twice as fast than with X11 [00:44] activelow the directfb rendering without mesa-opengl was buggy, but i got some graphical/video output already [00:44] activelow and someone optimized DirectFB for ARM NEON some years ago, non-mainline, general purpose graphics related functions, without the need for special gpu drivers other than providing a framebuffer by kernel, which i'll try too [00:45] activelow this should considerably increase performance, with CPU-only rendering ● Sep 12 [01:04] activelow anyhow, directfb is buggy and unmaintained [01:21] techrights-news More #linux #bloat for Pentagon companies https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-Linux-Kernel-Linaro-2021 #rustlang #deletegithub [01:21] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-The Latest Progress On Rust For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix [01:22] techrights-news "You get what you pay for. Obviously these employees cant get a better paying job. So sad - #IBM used to only hire the best and brightest." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cLF8ipd#replies [01:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.thelayoff.com | IBM is hiring, please apply... - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:22] techrights-news "I bet #IBM will somehow lose even in this race to the bottom. Ever downward!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cLF8ipd#replies [01:23] techrights-news "Since the vaccine has not yet been approved for children because it hasn't been tested for them we need to protect them by requiring masks in school." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_September_2021_%28Children_infected_with_Covid-19%29 [01:23] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:23] techrights-news "I argue that they are not entitled to the term "libertarians", because their principal goal is to eliminate taxes and have a laissez-faire, laissez mourir economy. The right term for them is "antisocialist"." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_September_2021_%28Freedom_to_have_an_abortion%29 [01:23] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:23] techrights-news "Actually there are a lot of great people still working for IBM. It's just that almost none of them are anything higher than a director." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cMIY6A6#replies #ibm [01:23] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.thelayoff.com | IBM accused of stealing trade secrets from Chinese jo--t venture - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:24] techrights-news Best #MicrosoftOffice Alternatives For GNU/Linux : Free Linux Office Suite http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155529 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Best MS Office Alternatives For Linux : Free Linux Office Suite | Tux Machines [01:29] techrights-news #GNOME 41 Has Finally Arrived: A Look at Whats Changed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155432#comment-30936 #gnu #linux [01:29] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 41 Release Candidate Is Out with Last Minute Bug Fixes and Improvements | Tux Machines [01:29] techrights-news #KDE Frameworks 5.86.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155521#comment-30937 [01:29] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.86 Improves Plasma Wayland for NVIDIA GPUs, Adds over 200 Changes | Tux Machines [01:37] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155530 #Linux #TuxMachines [01:37] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:37] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155531 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:37] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:38] techrights-news GNU #Bison 3.8.1 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155532 #GNU #freesw #TuxMachines [01:38] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Bison 3.8.1 released | Tux Machines [01:39] techrights-news #Steam Top 50 #Games : 72% Work on Linux in Sept. 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155533 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:39] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Top 50 Games: 72% Work on Linux in Sept. 2021 | Tux Machines [01:43] techrights-news Windows Supports My Hardware, Linux Does NOT! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zZlbg5JBaEE #video [01:43] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-yewtu.be | Windows Supports My Hardware, Linux Does NOT! - Invidious [01:44] techrights-news #LatteDock v0.10.2 | Bug Fix Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155534 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE [01:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Latte Dock v0.10.2 | Bug Fix Release | Tux Machines [01:46] techrights-news Introducing the #BoilingSteam Wiki https://boilingsteam.com/introducing-the-boiling-steam-wiki/ #games #gnu #linux [01:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-boilingsteam.com | Introducing the Boiling Steam Wiki - Boiling Steam [01:47] techrights-news "The vast majority of hunter-gatherers disappeared a long time ago, but a few groups remain in isolated sections of Africa, Australia, the Amazon rainforest and the Arctic." https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/09/why-do-we-work-so-dam-much.html [01:47] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: Why Do We Work So Damn Much? [01:47] techrights-news "Jon (scsijon in the Puppy Forum) is helping me to get Chrome and Chromium working non-root. This has resulted in me making a discovery yesterday, about the Xarchive archiver and extraction GUI tool." https://bkhome.org/news/202109/xarchive-now-extracts-debian-control-folder.html [01:47] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-bkhome.org | Xarchive now extracts DEBIAN control folder [01:49] techrights-news #Apple still chooses not to support the industry-standard lossless audio format, even though they support it. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/09/11/apple-still-chooses-not-to-support-the-industry-standard-lossless-audio-format-even-though-they-support-it/ [01:49] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-baronhk.wordpress.com | Apple still chooses not to support the industry-standard lossless audio format, even though they support it. BaronHK's Rants [01:52] techrights-news Does malware become news only the moment you can throw the word "Linux" into a headline, irrespective of what the underlying issue and how a machine is taken over by the first place? https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/pysa-ransomware-gang-targets-linux-a-17514 [01:52] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Pysa Ransomware Gang Debuts Linux Support - BankInfoSecurity [01:54] techrights-news The #LinuxGamer Playing guitar for you: "Fog" - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9zspSxfn2dg #video #invidious [01:54] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-yewtu.be | Playing guitar for you: "Fog" - Invidious [01:56] techrights-news This YouTuber made his own battery spot welder from an old microwave using Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/09/11/this-youtuber-made-his-own-spot-welder-with-arduino/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/09/12/#latest [01:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-blog.arduino.cc | This YouTuber made his own battery spot welder from an old microwave using Arduino | Arduino Blog [01:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:57] techrights-news Heres Why #Firefox is Seeing a Continuous Decline for Last 12 Years http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155535 [01:57] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why Firefox is Seeing a Continuous Decline for Last 12 Years | Tux Machines [01:58] techrights-news Start #Gaming On #GNU #Linux With This One Command - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sOch-qZMLq0 #video #invidious [01:58] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-yewtu.be | Start Gaming On Linux With This One Command - Invidious ● Sep 12 [02:02] techrights-news " #OpenBoxes is a management system designed to manage inventory and keep you on track with all the setting on it. It happens to be one of my top recommendations for the list of free and open-source Inventory and Warehouse Management" https://medevel.com/openboxes [02:02] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-medevel.com | OpenBoxes: Open Source Project For Inventory management [02:07] techrights-news Shiny new things in #Thunar thanks to GSoC 2021 https://alexxcons.github.io/2021/09/11/shiny-new-things-in-thunar.html #deletegithub #ProprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [02:07] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-alexxcons.github.io | Shiny new things in Thunar thanks to GSoC 2021 [02:07] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [02:10] techrights-news #KeePass 2.49 Released! #HowTo Install in Ubuntu 20.04 / 18.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155536 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:10] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | KeePass 2.49 Released! How to Install in Ubuntu 20.04 / 18.04 | Tux Machines [02:11] techrights-news Tag filtering, better navigation and lots of little UI tweaks #Kalendar devlog 14 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155537 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:11] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Tag filtering, better navigation and lots of little UI tweaks Kalendar devlog 14 | Tux Machines [02:11] techrights-news "A couple of cute mini robots have graced the blog over the last couple of weeks. One mastered dropping a straw in a glass, and the other did a brilliant Mars rover impression." https://www.raspberrypi.org/weekly/mini-robots-taking-over/ [02:11] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.raspberrypi.org | Raspberry Pi Weekly Issue #370 - Mini robots taking over [02:12] techrights-news Another Batch Of #RadeonSI Optimizations Land In Mesa 21.3 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RadeonSI-More-For-Mesa-21.3 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/09/12/#latest [02:12] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Another Batch Of RadeonSI Optimizations Land In Mesa 21.3 - Phoronix [02:13] techrights-news #CoreCtrl 1.2 Brings Support For More Sensors, Voltage Offsets - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CoreCtl-1.2-Released #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/09/12/#latest [02:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-CoreCtrl 1.2 Brings Support For More Sensors, Voltage Offsets - Phoronix [02:13] techrights-news Alder Lake Support Added To Intel's TCC Driver In Linux 5.15 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Alder-Lake-TCC-Linux-5.15 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [02:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Alder Lake Support Added To Intel's TCC Driver In Linux 5.15 - Phoronix [02:14] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:14] techrights-news [Book] #RedHat Enterprise Linux 8Administration Pablo Iranzo Gmezs blog https://iranzo.io/blog/2021/09/11/rhel8-administration/ #iranzo #gnu #linux #ibm [02:14] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-iranzo.io | [Book] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8Administration Pablo Iranzo Gmez's blog [02:14] techrights-news Play with model trains in #OpenTTD | https://opensource.com/article/21/9/model-trains-openttd #FreeSW #RedHat #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2 [02:14] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Play with model trains in OpenTTD | Opensource.com [02:14] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- ( status 404 @ http://schestowitz.com/2 ) [02:15] kingoffrance from rms glossary -- rms is great :) STEM: I think it is fun to learn math, science, and technology, and good to teach themto students that want to learn them. I think it is sad when someone feels compelled to study those fields. In any case, I won't call them by the chic buzzword "STEM". We already have perfectly fine names for those fields. [02:15] techrights-news #Facebook Is Censoring People For Mentioning #freesw Social Network #Mastodon https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10285-facebook-censored-me-for-mentioning-open-source-social-network-mastodon #censorship [02:15] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-changelog.complete.org | Facebook Is Censoring People For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon | The Changelog [02:19] kingoffrance re: daemon "The school to prison pipeline is sort of up and running again though" well it goes both ways, they need to send in guards now too [02:19] kingoffrance the abyss stares back maybe [02:21] kingoffrance another reason the rms glossary quote is so great [02:30] techrights-news Links 11/9/2021: KeePass 2.49, Bison 3.8.1, Latte Dock 0.10.2 http://techrights.org/2021/09/11/latte-dock-0-10-2/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/11/latte-dock-0-10-2/ [02:30] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Links 11/9/2021: KeePass 2.49, Bison 3.8.1, Latte Dock 0.10.2 | Techrights [02:31] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. 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[02:32] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 11, 2021 [02:32] techrights-news Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155538 [02:32] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:32] techrights-news #FreeSoftware : Facebook Censoring Mastodon, OpenTTD Introduced, and OpenBoxes Explained http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155539 [02:32] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software: Facebook Censoring Mastodon, OpenTTD Introduced, and OpenBoxes Explained | Tux Machines [02:33] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-110921.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-110921.txt Read the log now... [02:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 11, 2021 [02:33] techrights-news Open Hardware/Modding: Robots, Faceplates, and Arduino http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155540 [02:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Robots, Faceplates, and Arduino | Tux Machines [02:33] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155541 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:33] techrights-news Linux/Kernel: Intel, Rust, and AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155542 [02:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux/Kernel: Intel, Rust, and AMD | Tux Machines [02:34] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-110921.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-110921.txt Read the log now... [02:34] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 11, 2021 [02:34] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155543 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:34] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:37] techrights-news I've just realised that in 11 years in our company I never, not even once, took a day off work for sickness. So far no #covid19 but it's easy for introverts who work from home and live with the same... [02:39] techrights-news "inflation has worn down the value of our money so badly that you have to stand there feeding the meter all day to get any time out of it." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-110921.html#tSep%2011%2004:29:05 [02:39] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 11, 2021 [02:41] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-09-11.txt [02:42] techrights-news "a pentium 150 was sufficient for software-rendering on CPU only(!), quake1 at 512x384" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-110921.html#tSep%2011%2020:42:58 [02:42] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 11, 2021 [02:42] techrights-news Sites about #patents that reject/refuse/hang up on inventors because they front for lawyers (litigation), not science http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-110921.html#tSep%2011%2022:12:14 [02:42] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 11, 2021 [02:45] techrights-news "Ah so, that's where IBM gets its cloud strategy from." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cMIY6A6#replies [02:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.thelayoff.com | IBM accused of stealing trade secrets from Chinese jo--t venture - post regarding IBM layoffs [02:46] techrights-news Moaning about #ibm paying below standards. Update 2 hours ago. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cLF8ipd#replies [02:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.thelayoff.com | IBM is hiring, please apply... - post regarding IBM layoffs [02:48] techrights-news Retail Services at #IBM fired? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cNlSuL5 [02:48] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.thelayoff.com | I just heard that Hank Mardukas was RAd last week - post regarding IBM layoffs ● Sep 12 [03:06] techrights-news I've just done more parallelisation in the video pipeline of #techrights which is mostly #ffmpeg with bash and #rsync [03:16] kingoffrance open question to anyone, but since activelow seems to write c maybe specifically: https://hintjens.gitbooks.io/scalable-c/content/chapter2.html what do people think of this? Look at the Smart Peoples' Choice for Versioning, aka Semantic Versioning. It starts by saying, "increment the major version when you make incompatible API changes." Yay, breaking user space is legal, yay! This teaches us an important lesson about the stupidity o [03:16] kingoffrance f smart people. Breaking user space is not OK. It doesn't matter what numbers you stick on things. Yes, vendors do this all the time. No, it's still not OK. "Versioning is an unsolved mess." "The science of API versioning has a way to go. I've proposed that we version individual methods and classes using a "software bill of materials." As you'll learn later, we're developing the tools for this." [03:16] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-hintjens.gitbooks.io | Chapter 2 - The Scalable C Language | Scalable C (in progress) [03:16] kingoffrance i think i lean towards 1/2 way [03:16] kingoffrance more than numbers are needed, but not sure i see need for granularity of separate versions for "invidual methods and classes" [03:17] kingoffrance so, something like "duck-typing" where you call a function or method, to query an object or class or whatever, and it returns a feature list (can be a bitmap/mask, or a string, or whatever) [03:17] kingoffrance then, you get the semantic versioning, but (for oo, or pseudo-oo) objects or classes give finer granularity. [03:17] kingoffrance i.e. some backend might support feature a but not feature b etc. [03:17] kingoffrance this puts more work on the caller [03:18] kingoffrance anyhow, i have thought about "individual methods" but not sure i see a need [03:19] techrights-news No, what actually happened was, two barely-significant #patent offices got successfully rick-rolled by a British provocateur http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/09/08/robots-are-taking-over-the-patent-world-ai-systems-or-devices-can-be-inventors-under-the-australian-patents-act/ [03:19] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Robots are taking over the patent world AI systems or devices can be "inventors" under the Australian Patents Act - Kluwer Patent Blog [03:20] kingoffrance i suppose i distinguish "feature x supported" versus "api". features supported, might indicate which functions/methods actually do anything, or are no-ops, or how they work, etc. [03:20] kingoffrance so indirectly, this "feature" thing sort of provides function-level granularity [03:20] techrights-news FOSS Patents: No, the Epic v. #Apple injunction absolutely positively DOESN'T allow developers to incorporate 'buttons' for alternative IN-APP payment mechanisms http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/09/no-epic-v-apple-injunction-absolutely.html #fosspatents [03:20] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: No, the Epic v. Apple injunction absolutely positively DOESN'T allow developers to incorporate 'buttons' for alternative IN-APP payment mechanisms [03:21] kingoffrance i find his critique puzzling "Breaking user space is not OK. It doesn't matter what numbers you stick on things. " it would not be a problem to have multiple versions of same library installed, it should not break anything normally [03:21] techrights-news Latest #Ubuntu 21.10 blows the wind out of Windows 10 / 11 in certain performance tests http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155544 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:21] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Ubuntu 21.10 blows the wind out of Windows 10 / 11 in certain performance tests | Tux Machines [03:21] kingoffrance its a "can you get every program/library/package to follow whatever convention or not" IMO [03:22] techrights-news #watchtroll says, "Report: Almost One-Third of IPR Proceedings are Settled" and that just means that there are so many #fakepatents granted by #uspto that with #ptab all you need to do is show willingness to challenge them [03:23] kingoffrance i disagree with author on that anyways, seems like a distro/packaging problem to me if user space breaks because of new version of library [03:24] techrights-news Many false headlines falsely asserted that it is now possible to get #patents for bots; but only in two rather small markets, and that too is subjected to appeals or further challenges https://www.natlawreview.com/article/update-artificial-intelligence-court-rules-ai-cannot-qualify-inventor [03:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.natlawreview.com | 4th Cir.: AI Machine Cannot Qualify as Inventor Under Patent Act [03:24] kingoffrance the book was unfinished, so i assume ""The science of API versioning has a way to go. I've proposed that we version individual methods and classes using a "software bill of materials."" never happened [03:25] activelow sorry kingoffrance [03:25] activelow tired, digged all day inside legacy sources (not writing any, most of the time reading them) [03:26] kingoffrance np, this is more a proglangdesign question [03:26] activelow skimmed quickly, i think he missed to distinguish ABI and API [03:26] kingoffrance for anyone doing a distro or similar, i thought you might have opinions [03:28] activelow yes: lines of code, and size, is one of the most relevant quality criteria, not the only one of cause [03:28] activelow wake me up when linux kernel and busybox fit onto a 3.5inch floppy again [03:29] kingoffrance lol [03:32] kingoffrance i always liked freebsd geom as "stack backends in whatever order you want" is also why i kind of lean towards "duck typing" "query features". for that, you dont know how the "class hierarchy" or whatever will look, it might be x "classes" stacked on top of eachother or whatever (i dont do inheritance for my pseudo-oo stuff, but i mean, there might be a layer or two of method calls another method calls another etc.) so thats why i di [03:32] kingoffrance dnt think "method-level granularity" meant anything to me -- if you allow such "stacking" (which to me, is the only reason to use oo or pseudo-oo really!) then there may be more than a single "class" or whatever at play, stacked on top eachother, etc. [03:32] kingoffrance i think he is somewhat biased in that he was doing pseudo-oo in c, so wasnt dealing with that level of things [03:32] kingoffrance so for his "scalable c" i might argue otherwise [03:33] kingoffrance apologies if i misuse terms [03:33] kingoffrance not a lang designer [03:33] techrights-news "In fact, one of Richard Stallmans complaints about the iPhone is that it does pretty much every nasty thing to attack the user that Android does, but it also goes much further and prevents the user from installing Free and Open Source Software." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/09/12/apple-declares-victory-in-the-epic-vs-apple-unfair-competition-lawsuit-and-then-appeals-the-ruling/ [03:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-baronhk.wordpress.com | Apple declares victory in the Epic vs. Apple unfair competition lawsuit and then appeals the ruling. BaronHK's Rants [03:34] kingoffrance if i am doing oo or pseudo-oo, its cuz i want the flexibility, i dont necessarily know how the "class hierarchy" will look ahead of time, not until runtime [03:34] kingoffrance if i didnt want that level of complexity/flexibility, i would not be doing pseudo-oo [03:34] techrights-news This Week in Linux 167: NVIDIA for Wayland, Steam Update, Red Hat, PS4 Emulator, #OpenShot https://tuxdigital.com/2021/09/thisweekinlinux-167/ #gnu #linux [03:34] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-167: NVIDIA for Wayland, Steam Update, Red Hat, PS4 Emulator, OpenShot | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital [03:36] kingoffrance so "versino numbers for functions/methods" wouldnt solve anything for me, although i would be curious if he had completed it [03:37] kingoffrance hope i make sense anyways :) [03:37] kingoffrance i believe geom was also "producer/consumer" was the term [03:37] activelow had seen something in ALSA some time ago, which did some fancy versioning, forget what it was, musl-libc didn't support it [03:37] activelow iirc some dlopen and ABI versioning magic [03:38] kingoffrance another analogy is like winamp or xmms "effect plugins": stack them in any order you want. [03:39] kingoffrance so, i could query what each plugin does, "per-function/method version number" really wouldnt help from what i see [03:39] kingoffrance you might care what features a particular effect plugin does, "version number" doesnt say that [03:39] kingoffrance pipeline is another word [03:45] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [03:46] techrights-news #visurf , a web browser based on #NetSurf https://drewdevault.com/2021/09/11/visurf-announcement.html http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/netsurf-review/ [03:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-drewdevault.com | visurf, a web browser based on NetSurf [03:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | How to Install and Then Use NetSurf as a Web Browser for the User-Centric Web, Not GAFAMNet | Techrights [03:47] techrights-news "Disclaimer: I am the founder of a company which competes with GitHub." https://drewdevault.com/2021/07/04/Is-GitHub-a-derivative-work.html [03:47] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-drewdevault.com | Is GitHub a derivative work of GPL'd software? [03:48] techrights-news "I wrote the absolutely bare minimum remote helper. And since Gemini is a read-only protocol, `git push` will never work. This is just useful for publishing git repos on Gemini sites. The server side could easily be added to the Gemini servers that support CGI scripts." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2020/000572.html [03:49] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Basic git clone over gemini:// working [03:58] kingoffrance well, i suppose for me feature query is another way of saying "we dont know for sure until runtime" for oo/pseudo-oo. [03:59] kingoffrance so i might divide it like that, "versioning" versus "versioning at runtime" maybe too ● Sep 12 [04:05] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, September 11, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:05] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:05] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:05] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:08] techrights-news ...based on my research so far, it's not (yet) possible to manage/view/access/present git repos over gemini protocol. It would be a TREMENDOUSLY USEFUL project for someone to undertake, but Gulag/GSoC (Google) would never help #geminiProtocol as it threatens #www #monopolies [04:09] kingoffrance for a virtual machine, or something "reflective" where you can modify functions/methods at run-time, i can see why per-function/method version numbers would be useful. would even seemingly be useful to do "live updates" or something, if you wanted that complexity. because i didnt see him doing that, i just dont see why he cared about that [04:09] kingoffrance if you have something "reflective" i would totally see the use of that [04:10] kingoffrance i didnt see him that "abstract" so i wonder why he wanted them [04:11] kingoffrance thats a giant can of worms maybe, but i see the use for that sort of thing [04:12] kingoffrance id like to know what his plan was anyways :? [04:12] kingoffrance :/ [04:13] kingoffrance ditto for bytecode /interpreter/whatever [04:13] kingoffrance for those situations it makes more sense to me [04:38] *techrights_guest|89 (~519aac55@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [04:53] *techrights_guest|76 (~519aac55@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social ● Sep 12 [05:22] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [05:34] techrights-news neat miniature retro https://hackaday.com/2021/09/11/thicc-gba-sp-mod-gets-easy-install-ahead-of-release/ [05:34] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-THICC GBA SP Mod Gets Easy Install Ahead Of Release | Hackaday [05:41] *techrights_guest|76 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [05:50] techrights-news "This Perl module converts POD documents to thread, the macro language I use for my static site builder (about which, more in another software release coming up shortly). This release fixes a whole ton of long-standing problems." https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2021-09/001.html [05:51] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.eyrie.org | Eagle's Path: Pod::Thread 3.00 (2021-09-11) [05:53] techrights-news #visurf, a web browser based on #NetSurf http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155545 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:53] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | visurf, a web browser based on NetSurf | Tux Machines ● Sep 12 [07:25] techrights-news NEWS #uniToronto #Fedora Some things to reduce background bandwidth usage on a Fedora machine https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/FedoraReducingBandwidth [07:25] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/FedoraReducingBandwidth [07:26] techrights-news NEWS #Talospace #Hardware First POWER10 Machine Announced https://www.talospace.com/2021/09/first-power10-machine-announced.html [07:26] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.talospace.com | First POWER10 machine announced [07:27] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware Cybersecurity seen as rising risk for airlines after 9/11 https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/cybersecurity-seen-as-rising-risk-for-airlines-after-9/11/86110944 [07:27] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Risks of digital technology in flying: Cybersecurity seen as rising risk for airlines after 9/11, IT News, ET CIO [07:28] techrights-news NEWS #Variety #Surveillance #Privacy Smart Glasses Could Be Big for Facebook. Just Not Anytime Soon https://variety.com/vip/smart-glasses-could-be-big-for-facebook-just-not-anytime-soon-1235058958/ [07:28] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Smart Glasses Could Be Big for Facebook. Just Not Anytime Soon - Variety [07:29] techrights-news Save That Old #VGA Monitor From The Trash https://hackaday.com/2021/09/11/save-that-old-vga-monitor-from-the-trash/ [07:29] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Save That Old VGA Monitor From The Trash | Hackaday [07:31] techrights-news Linux Preparing To Slightly Loosen Its Spectre Defaults - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Spectre-V2-V4-Going-Prctl-Def #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/09/12/#latest [07:31] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Linux Preparing To Slightly Loosen Its Spectre Defaults - Phoronix [07:31] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [07:32] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes #Confidentiality [Crackers] access personal data of 79,400 customers of Singaporean communications services provider https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/hackers-access-personal-data-of-79400-customers-of-singaporean-communications-services-provider/86092899 [07:32] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Hackers access personal data of 79,400 customers of Singaporean communications services provider, IT News, ET CIO [07:33] techrights-news "It turns out that there is a fundamental problem in EasyOS. If a person entered a password at the very first bootup, Easy creates encrypted folders in the ext4 working-partition." https://bkhome.org/news/202109/fscrypt-broken-in-user-spot.html [07:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-bkhome.org | Fscrypt broken in user spot [07:37] techrights-news NEWS #EestiRahvusringhling EDF commander: We can't rule out eventuality of Russian military attack https://news.err.ee/1608335777/edf-commander-we-can-t-rule-out-eventuality-of-russian-military-attack [07:37] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-news.err.ee | EDF commander: We can't rule out eventuality of Russian military attack | News | ERR [07:37] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #FBI releases first Sept. 11 document following Biden executive order https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/571867-fbi-releases-first-9-11-document-after-biden-order [07:37] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-FBI releases first Sept. 11 document following Biden executive order | TheHill [07:37] techrights-news NEWS #BBC #Environment The lost generation of ancient trees https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210908-the-lost-generation-of-ancient-trees [07:37] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-The lost generation of ancient trees - BBC Future [07:39] kingoffrance 9/11 fbi reports 2016...2015...still reading, but that is 15 years later [07:39] kingoffrance makes one wonder what were they doing in the 15 year interim [07:40] kingoffrance 15 years later, lets go interview people [07:40] techrights-news NEWS #WSWS #Politics #Whistleblower Chelsea Manning criticizes Glenn Greenwalds right-wing #politics https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/07/mann-s07.html [07:40] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.wsws.org | Whistleblower Chelsea Manning criticizes Glenn Greenwalds right-wing politics - World Socialist Web Site [07:40] kingoffrance ok? lol [07:41] techrights-news NEWS #CBS #Politics #Texas Governor Greg Abbott signs #socialcontrolmedia "censorship" bill into law https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-social-media-censorship-bill-signed-law-governor-abbott/ [07:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.cbsnews.com | Texas Governor Greg Abbott signs social media "censorship" bill into law - CBS News [07:42] kingoffrance The FBI launched Operation Encore in 2006, which investigated possible Saudi involvement in the attacks. The operation lasted for about a decade before ending in 2016 [07:43] kingoffrance well it says they investigated for 10 years [07:43] kingoffrance so that sounds less bad [07:43] schestowitz hmmm [07:43] schestowitz saudi iinvolvement [07:43] schestowitz saudi GOVERNMENT involvement? [07:44] schestowitz we already know which passengers did it [07:44] schestowitz and their nationality [07:44] schestowitz iirc, the original report already covered that [07:45] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge # #Facebook reportedly provided inaccurate data to #misinformation researchers https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668396/facebook-provided-inaccurate-data-misinformation-researchers [07:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theverge.com | Facebook reportedly provided inaccurate data to misinformation researchers - The Verge [07:45] techrights-news NEWS #NewYorkTimes #FB #Facebook sent flawed data to #misinformation researchers. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions#facebook-sent-flawed-data-to-misinformation-researchers [07:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.nytimes.com | Tracking Viral Misinformation: Latest Updates - The New York Times [07:45] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge CBSs The Activist seems to think doomscrolling equals #activism https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22667567/the-activist-naomi-klein-cbs-doomscrolling-activism-politics-usher-priyanka-chopra [07:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theverge.com | CBSs The Activist seems to think doomscrolling equals activism - The Verge [07:46] techrights-news NEWS #TheAtlantic #Censorship How #Hollywood Sold Out to #China https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/09/how-hollywood-sold-out-to-china/620021/ [07:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theatlantic.com | How Hollywood Sold Out to China - The Atlantic [07:51] techrights-news NEWS #NewYorkTimes # Everything Changed Overnight: Afghan Reporters Face an Intolerant Regime https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/11/world/afghanistan-journalists-reporters.html [07:51] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.nytimes.com | Reporters in Afghanistan Face an Intolerant Regime: Everything Changed Overnight' - The New York Times [07:51] techrights-news NEWS #Newsweek #wikileaks Why is #Biden Prosecuting #Assange for Telling the Truth about #Afghanistan h https://www.newsweek.com/why-biden-prosecuting-assange-telling-truth-about-afghanistan-opinion-1627963 [07:51] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.newsweek.com | Why is Biden Prosecuting Assange for Telling the Truth about Afghanistan? | Opinion [07:57] techrights-news NEWS #CPJ #Taliban fighters detain, flog, and beat journalists covering protests in #Afghanistan https://cpj.org/2021/09/taliban-fighters-detain-flog-and-beat-journalists-covering-protests-in-afghanistan/ [07:58] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-cpj.org | Taliban fighters detain, flog, and beat journalists covering protests in Afghanistan - Committee to Protect Journalists ● Sep 12 [08:07] techrights-news NEWS #TheEconomist Societies that treat women badly are poorer and less stable https://www.economist.com/international/2021/09/11/societies-that-treat-women-badly-are-poorer-and-less-stable [08:07] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Societies that treat women badly are poorer and less stable | The Economist [08:07] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill Democratic senators request probe into Amazon's treatment of pregnant employees https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/571800-democratic-senators-request-probe-into-amazons-treatment-of-pregnant [08:07] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Democratic senators request probe into Amazon's treatment of pregnant employees | TheHill [08:22] techrights-news NEWS #EDRI #Internet #CJEU in surprise judgment: #zerorating is illegal under #EU law https://edri.org/our-work/cjeu-in-surprise-judgment-zero-rating-is-illegal-under-eu-law/ [08:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-edri.org | CJEU in surprise judgment: zero rating is illegal under EU law - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [08:26] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:27] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Less Than an Inkblot, A Failed Congress Jeopardizes Our Future https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/12/less-inkblot-failed-congress-jeopardizes-our-future [08:27] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Less Than an Inkblot, A Failed Congress Jeopardizes Our Future | Ralph Nader [08:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [08:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [08:43] kingoffrance https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/china-bans-time-travel-films-177801/ linked from "how hollywood sold out to china" [08:43] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.hollywoodreporter.com | China Bans Time Travel Films and Shows, Citing Disrespect of History The Hollywood Reporter [08:43] kingoffrance i joked about this, that they would not like chrono trigger or rpg video games like that, but its true :) [08:43] kingoffrance determinism, dialectical materialism, like christian fundamentalist "millenium" doesnt want you denying their time frames :) [08:43] kingoffrance its like denying a prophecy basically [08:44] kingoffrance its basically viewed as denying god or in this case, denying material reality [08:44] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Investigations of US #Drone Attack That Killed 10 Afghans Find No Evidence of Explosives in Vehicle https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/09/11/investigations-us-drone-attack-killed-10-afghans-find-no-evidence-explosives-vehicle [08:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Investigations of US Drone Attack That Killed 10 Afghans Find No Evidence of Explosives in Vehicle | Common Dreams News [08:44] kingoffrance that story was APRIL 13, 2011 [08:45] kingoffrance or its like telling an astrology you dont trust their date [08:45] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut 20 Years After 9/11, Republicans Are the Greatest Threat to the United States https://truthout.org/articles/20-years-after-9-11-republicans-are-the-greatest-threat-to-the-united-states/ [08:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-truthout.org | 20 Years After 9/11, Republicans Are the Greatest Threat to the United States [08:45] kingoffrance *astrologer [08:45] kingoffrance broadly, they would not like any open-ended rpg game basically with multiple endings [08:46] kingoffrance it has to be linear, or you skew their predictions [08:49] kingoffrance you cant have a final, decisive victory or loss either way, if things are "open ended" [08:50] kingoffrance it would also mean "capitalism" or wahtever else, depends on how people do it, so is not inherently flawed, etc. [08:51] kingoffrance that maybe people could choose some non-suicidal variant, etc. [08:51] kingoffrance its like a heresy basically to deny fundamentals [08:53] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #California Passes Bill to Ensure #Amazon Workers Can Take Bathroom Breaks https://truthout.org/articles/california-passes-bill-to-ensure-amazon-workers-can-take-bathroom-breaks/ need a lot for THAT??? [08:53] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-truthout.org | California Passes Bill to Ensure Amazon Workers Can Take Bathroom Breaks [08:54] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | This Anti-Democratic, Unconstitutional Filibuster Must Be Destroyed https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/12/anti-democratic-unconstitutional-filibuster-must-be-destroyed [08:54] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | This Anti-Democratic, Unconstitutional Filibuster Must Be Destroyed | Robert Reich [08:55] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #Allend #Pinochet #coup 'The Other 9/11': Progressives Remember Allende's #Chile https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/09/11/other-911-progressives-remember-allendes-chile [08:55] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | 'The Other 9/11': Progressives Remember Allende's Chile | Common Dreams News [08:56] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | The Innocent Victims of America's War on Terror Deserve Remembrance Too https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/innocent-victims-americas-war-terror-deserve-remembrance-too [08:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Innocent Victims of America's War on Terror Deserve Remembrance Too | Mitchell Zimmerman [08:56] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut We Owe Reparations to the Victims of Our Forever Wars https://truthout.org/articles/we-owe-reparations-to-the-victims-of-our-forever-wars/ [08:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-truthout.org | We Owe Reparations to the Victims of Our Forever Wars [08:56] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Rule34 Massive Adult Site 'Rule34' Prepares Legal Action to Fight Bogus Homepage Delisting https://torrentfreak.com/massive-adult-site-rule-34-prepares-legal-action-to-fight-bogus-homepage-delisting-210911/ [08:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Massive Adult Site 'Rule34' Prepares Legal Action to Fight Bogus Homepage Delisting * TorrentFreak ● Sep 12 [09:03] kingoffrance its also cuz they dont want ppl reviving older [09:10] techrights-news #goldeDenald boasted 9/11 made his building look bigger https://www.salon.com/2021/09/11/where-is-trump-former-president-notably-absent-from-911-events/ [09:10] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-"Where is Trump?" Former president notably absent from 9/11 events | Salon.com [09:11] techrights-news #idg puff purd "fails to mention Calligra or LibreOffice" https://www.pcworld.com/article/3632931/how-to-protect-yourself-from-the-new-microsoft-office-hack.html as if you have to use #microsoft and/or #clowncomputing whereas #freesw does not even exist [09:11] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-How to turn on Protected View in Microsoft Office | PCWorld [09:12] techrights-news iophk: :( social control media is beyond stupid, as is the copyright cartel https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/linux-song-remover-4175700478/ #socialcontol [09:12] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.linuxquestions.org | Linux Song Remover [09:12] techrights-news NEWS #TheGrayZone Were the notorious Dancing Israelis 9/11 plotters, spies, or just common scam artists? https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/11/dancing-israelis-9-11-plotters-spies-scam-artists/ [09:12] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-thegrayzone.com | Were the notorious Dancing Israelis 9/11 plotters, spies, or just common scam artists? - The Grayzone [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation Commemorating the 20th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/commemorating-the-20th-anniversary-of-the-september-11-attacks/ [09:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.thenation.com | Commemorating the 20th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks. | The Nation [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | From Our Post-9/11 Archives: "The Algebra of Infinite Justice" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/our-post-911-archives-algebra-infinite-justice [09:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | From Our Post-9/11 Archives: "The Algebra of Infinite Justice" | Arundhati Roy [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | One 9/11 First Responder Reflects: Life is Duty https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/one-911-first-responder-reflects-life-duty [09:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | One 9/11 First Responder Reflects: Life is Duty | Donna Smith [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #TheGrayZone Day of the Planes: A 9/11 excerpt from The Management of Savagery https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/11/day-planes-9-11-management-savagery/ [09:14] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-thegrayzone.com | Day of the Planes: A 9/11 excerpt from 'The Management of Savagery' - The Grayzone [09:25] techrights-news #greenwald https://meaww.com/chelsea-manning-turns-against-dear-friend-glenn-greenwald-calls-him-youre-greedy-unprincipled [09:25] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Chelsea Manning breaks friendship with 'greedy, unprincipled' Glenn Greenwald | MEAWW [09:25] techrights-news #assange #wikileaks https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/the-assange-case-Is-not-about-national-security-it-is-about-narrative-control [09:25] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.rcreader.com | The Assange Case Isnt About National Security, Its About Narrative Control | River Cities' Reader [09:26] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Twenty Years After 9/11, 'The Only Way to Effectively Counter Terror Is to End War' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/09/11/twenty-years-after-911-only-way-effectively-counter-terror-end-war [09:26] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Twenty Years After 9/11, 'The Only Way to Effectively Counter Terror Is to End War' | Common Dreams News [09:26] techrights-news `code here` [09:27] schestowitz NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | From Our Post-9/11 Archive: 'Stop the Insanity Here' https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/our-post-911-archive-stop-insanity-here [09:27] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | From Our Post-9/11 Archive: 'Stop the Insanity Here' | Robert Jensen [09:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:40] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [09:40] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | From 9/11 to Covid, Social Security Is There for Us in Times of Crisis https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/911-covid-social-security-there-us-times-crisis [09:40] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | From 9/11 to Covid, Social Security Is There for Us in Times of Crisis | Nancy J. Altman [09:40] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut US Spent $21 Trillion on #War and Militarization Since 9/11 https://truthout.org/articles/us-spent-21-trillion-on-war-and-militarization-since-9-11/ [09:40] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-truthout.org | US Spent $21 Trillion on War and Militarization Since 9/11 [09:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [09:44] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut Organizers of Jan. 6 Rally Are Promoting Doctors Who Push Fake COVID Cures https://truthout.org/articles/organizers-of-jan-6-rally-are-promoting-doctors-who-push-fake-covid-cures/ [09:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-truthout.org | Organizers of Jan. 6 Rally Are Promoting Doctors Who Push Fake COVID Cures [09:44] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Many Americans Refused to Consider Why 9/11 Happened. The Costs Were Enormous. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/many-americans-refused-consider-why-911-happened-costs-were-enormous [09:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Many Americans Refused to Consider Why 9/11 Happened. The Costs Were Enormous. | Stephen Zunes [09:44] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut The Right Wing Never Forgot 9/11 Because It Never Remembered It Correctly https://truthout.org/articles/the-right-wing-never-forgot-9-11-because-it-never-remembered-it-correctly/ [09:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-truthout.org | The Right Wing Never Forgot 9/11 Because It Never Remembered It Correctly [09:44] techrights-news NEWS #RobertReich What We Do With Tragic Anniversaries https://robertreich.org/post/662052696886493184 [09:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-robertreich.org | Robert Reich (What We Do With Tragic Anniversaries) [09:45] techrights-news NEWS #FAIR September 11s Never-Ending Story https://fair.org/home/september-11s-never-ending-story/ [09:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-fair.org | September 11's Never-Ending Story - FAIR [09:54] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Evil Spawns Evil: The US Routinely Sends Incendiary Messages https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/12/evil-spawns-evil-us-routinely-sends-incendiary-messages [09:54] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Evil Spawns Evil: The US Routinely Sends Incendiary Messages | Chris Hedges [09:56] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155546 #Linux #TuxMachines [09:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Sep 12 [10:13] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | 9/11 at 20: Our Moral Obligation After Two Decades of #War https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/11/911-20-our-moral-obligation-after-two-decades-war [10:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | 9/11 at 20: Our Moral Obligation After Two Decades of War | Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II [10:13] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Post-9/11 "Nation-Building" in #Afghanistan and #Iraq Was Nothing But Destruction https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/09/12/post-911-nation-building-afghanistan-and-iraq-was-nothing-destruction [10:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Post-9/11 "Nation-Building" in Afghanistan and Iraq Was Nothing But Destruction | Walden Bello [10:33] techrights-news #alcohol #logging https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/analysis/crime-groups-turn-to-alcohol-and-logging/ [10:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-mexiconewsdaily.com | As marijuana market disappears criminals turn to alcohol, logging, extortion [10:34] techrights-news old: #charliewilson #war https://www.c-span.org/video/?179144-10/charlie-wilsons-war [10:34] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-[Charlie Wilson's War] | C-SPAN.org [10:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:46] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 12 [11:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [11:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [11:21] techrights-news Almost done now: a #geminiSpace capsule and space for our #git code to be browsed. No bloated #www frameworks, gemini:// only. #deletegithub [11:22] techrights-news #facebook thinks competition harms its 'community' https://mastodon.social/@humanetech/106914332280931087 [11:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-mastodon.social | Humane Tech Now: "Just now on HN: "FB censored me for mentioning " - Mastodon [11:23] techrights-news Came to a bar to have a nice beer, like any reasonable person would on a Friday. The waitress asked me to order through a QR code which would take my order only if I have a Gmail account. I left and found another bar because: I dont want to have a beer through my Gmail. Jesus fucking Christ. https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106912508419307588 [11:23] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Came to a bar to have a nice beer, like any reas" - Arals Mastodon [11:24] techrights-news Prince Andrew Is Served With Papers In A Civil Suit Over Sexual Assault Allegations https://text.npr.org/1036152465 #billgates next? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [11:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-text.npr.org | Prince Andrew Is Served With Papers In A Civil Suit Over Sexual Assault Allegations [11:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [11:28] techrights-news "It's just my ex, Bill" - Melinda. "We used to be friends" - Warren B. This happened after revelations in #mit (but it wasn't #billgates getting thrown under the bug in MIT but RMS. Nice decoy, eh?) http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [11:28] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [11:29] techrights-news #paywalls aren't attractive. Sure, you CAN get past them by paying. BUT... what if you LIKE what you read and want to SHARE with a friend? This. Is. CRAP. #www [11:49] *techrights_guest|89 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Sep 12 [12:10] techrights-news Storaji: #freesw Simple inventory management application https://medevel.com/storaji/ "The System required NodeJS 8, PHP 7, PHP Composer. It is licensed under MIT license." [12:10] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-medevel.com | Storaji: An Open-Source Simple inventory management application [12:12] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, September 11, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/09/12/irc-log-110921/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/12/irc-log-110921/ [12:12] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, September 11, 2021 | Techrights [12:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:29] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:35] techrights-news Our gemini/git work is done for now, but will be improved upon soon. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/ [12:37] techrights-news ssh-chat/bridge for irc is another possibility. Turns out we can leverage ssh alone for irc chats (no need for irc client), using a compatibility layer such as matterbridge. irc made simpler, in some sense, but also more vulnerable to floods/span as anyone can just ssh in. [12:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [12:48] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [12:51] techrights-news I have appeared on television several times and also in films. I won several awards over the years for academic achievements, programming achievements, and also sports. For recreation I engage in heavy lifting sports. [12:55] schestowitz-TR wrong paste, bug [12:56] schestowitz should have been this: [12:56] schestowitz LOL! #RisingStarsAward - more fake endorsements and phony prizes to sponsors and friends, for PR and marketing purpose https://www.managingip.com/article/b1thy8h1v1vsfn/rising-stars-awards-emea-2021-winners-announced like #epo did #theranos http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/ [12:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.managingip.com | Rising Stars Awards EMEA 2021: winners announced | Managing Intellectual Property [12:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Elizabeth Holmes Charged With Massive Fraud and Team Battistelli Rushes to Distance Itself From Her | Techrights [12:56] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:58] techrights-news Latest on the manic, irrational effort to #patent life and nature in the United States https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/09/toolgen-files-opposition-to-broad-preliminary-motion-no-1-to-change-interference-count.html #patents #monopoly [12:58] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: ToolGen Files Opposition to Broad Preliminary Motion No. 1 to Change Interference Count ● Sep 12 [13:00] techrights-news "Governor #Newsom has instituted a large program to provide and adapt housing for #California 's homeless people though it isn't as big as the problem requires." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_September_2021_%28California%27s_homeless%29 [13:00] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [13:02] techrights-news [Satire] Study: Majority Of U.S. Population One Disappointing Sandwich Away From Complete Mental Breakdown https://www.theonion.com/study-majority-of-u-s-population-one-disappointing-sa-1847629805 [13:02] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theonion.com | Study: Majority Of U.S. Population One Disappointing Sandwich Away From Complete Mental Breakdown [13:03] techrights-news It's Looking Like Folios / Pagesets Might Miss Making It Into Linux 5.15 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Folios-Pagesets-MIA-5.15 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/09/12/#latest [13:03] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-It's Looking Like Folios / Pagesets Might Miss Making It Into Linux 5.15 - Phoronix [13:03] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [13:04] *activelow (~activelow@kw4qm9cynvx82.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [13:06] techrights-news Worse than before the invasion https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/un-says-afghan-staff-increasingly-harassed-intimidated-since-taliban-takeover-2021-09-09/ [13:06] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-U.N. says Afghan staff increasingly harassed, intimidated since Taliban takeover | Reuters [13:08] techrights-news "Ties between the world's two biggest economies have been languishing at their lowest point in decades over issues ranging from human rights to transparency over the origins of COVID-19." https://www.reuters.com/world/un-chief-urges-china-us-keep-bilateral-spats-out-climate-fight-2021-09-10/ [13:08] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-U.N. chief urges China, US to keep bilateral spats out of climate fight | Reuters [13:09] techrights-news I see that the corrupt #guardian is still taking bribes from a close friend of Jeffrey Epstein and still inciting the public, selectively, against #microsoft rivals (that do the same or less than Microsoft). #billgates #bribery [13:11] techrights-news #SJVN in #theregister now. I hope he quits the #microsoft #propagandaMill that #zdnet is... https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/08/open_source_beyond_the_programmers/ [13:11] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theregister.com | Open-source software starts with developers, but there are other important contributors, too. Who exactly? Good question The Register [13:15] techrights-news Common misconception: large corporations try to cancel right-leaning developers. Reality: large corporations love to cancel their sceptics, critics and ideological rivals (RMS is one example). They play the "wing" games as a convenient pretext, weaponised by "isms". [13:15] techrights-news "In addition to the #RISCV changes merged last week for the #Linux 5.15 kernel, a second batch of patches was merged this weekend." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RISC-V-Better-Stack-Rand [13:15] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-RISC-V Gets Expanded Stack Randomization With Linux 5.15 - Phoronix [13:17] techrights-news #Kernel: RISC-V, Folios, and Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155547 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines [13:17] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: RISC-V, Folios, and Security | Tux Machines [13:17] techrights-news #cat #tie https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/08/17/3bd9737ca3f33124.jpg [13:20] techrights-news "How many times did you need to ask your friends for an opinion or a vote? Some #Google modules can help this but when you want to privately host your surveys the best answer is #LimeSurvey on Raspberry PI" https://peppe8o.com/self-host-your-surveys-with-limesurvey-and-raspberry-pi/ [13:20] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-peppe8o.com | Self-host your Surveys with LimeSurvey and Raspberry PI [13:24] techrights-news Mr. Thaler is just totally trolling or ridiculing patent systems all around the world, both officex and courts. That helps discredit the system for what a lunacy machine it is fast becoming, unhinged from its original goals/rationale https://www.bioworld.com/articles/511163-thaler-comes-up-short-in-district-court-fight-over-inventorship-rights-for-ai?v=preview [13:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Thaler comes up short in district court fight over inventorship rights for AI | BioWorld [13:26] techrights-news "Daddy, what does #Ericsson make?" "Nothing, sweetheart, it's just paying some thuggish #patent #law firms to #blackmail those who still make things..." https://www.managingip.com/article/b1tjjc6xqsgh4s/ericsson-fifth-circuit-win-further-fortifies-sep-owner-stance-in-us http://techrights.org/2018/01/14/ericsson-avanci-and-unwired-planet/ [13:26] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.managingip.com | Ericsson Fifth Circuit win further fortifies SEP owner stance in US | Managing Intellectual Property [13:26] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | If Ericsson and Its Patent Trolls (Like Avanci and Unwired Planet) Cannot Make It, the Patent Microcosm Will Perish | Techrights [13:38] techrights-news Apache Software Foundation Saw $3M In Revenue, ~134M Changed Lines Of Code Last Year https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apache-FY2021-Report #deletegithub #microsoft #proprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ [13:38] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Apache Software Foundation Saw $3M In Revenue, ~134M Changed Lines Of Code Last Year - Phoronix [13:38] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights [13:40] techrights-news #OpenHardware /Modding Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155548 [13:40] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:40] techrights-news #Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155549 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:41] techrights-news #FreeSoftware : Events, Stats, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155550 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software: Events, Stats, and More | Tux Machines [13:48] techrights-news Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - #Rapture https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rapture #smbc [13:48] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Rapture [13:49] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [13:50] techrights-news #KDE DEVLOG: The Science Of... Changing The Wallpaper!? - Kockatoo Tube https://tube.kockatoo.org/w/98e6d850-671d-47d7-9dc5-b9df903161af #peertube #gnu #linux [13:50] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-tube.kockatoo.org | KDE DEVLOG: The Science Of... Changing The Wallpaper!? - Kockatoo Tube [13:54] techrights-news #Videos and Shows: KDE, GNU, and This Week in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155551 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:54] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos and Shows: KDE, GNU, and This Week in Linux | Tux Machines [13:57] techrights-news #Gnome 3 compare to MacOs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155552 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:57] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Gnome 3 compare to MacOs | Tux Machines ● Sep 12 [14:01] techrights-news Best seller? https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/weekend-random-randomness-35-pics-2.jpeg [14:08] techrights-news Communities of software developers are "toxic", tell us companies that pollute the planet or provide all the technical services to mass polluters that spread thousands of tons of toxins (PER DAY) all across planet. #microsoft #ibm #bayer #monsanto #exxon [14:12] techrights-news Links 12/9/2021: Final Merges in Linux 5.15, GNOME 3 Compared to MacOs http://techrights.org/2021/09/12/final-merges-in-linux-5-15/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/12/final-merges-in-linux-5-15/ [14:12] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Links 12/9/2021: Final Merges in Linux 5.15, GNOME 3 Compared to MacOs | Techrights [14:13] techrights-news #Proprietary #BackDoors and #Privacy Abuses http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155553 #TuxMachines [14:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Back Doors and Privacy Abuses | Tux Machines [14:13] techrights-news #IBM and #Debian Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155554 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:13] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM and Debian Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:19] *MinceR has quit (connection closed) [14:26] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell-social [14:26] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell-social MinceR [14:33] techrights-news No, unless you wish to completely de-legitimise the #patent system https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/09/09/should-ai-systems-be-considered-as-inventors-on-u-s-patent-applications/ [14:33] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.enterpriseai.news | Should AI Systems Be Considered As Inventors on US Patent Applications? [14:34] techrights-news Unbelievable; the convicted fraudsters (recently) from #marksclerk want to profit from destruction too, via #patents https://www.marks-clerk.com/insights/patenting-for-the-decommissioning-market/ [14:34] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.marks-clerk.com | Patenting for the Decommissioning Market [14:36] techrights-news "A #tradesecret is any information used in one's business that derives independent economic value from being kept secret. Unlike #patents , #tradesecrets are protected indefinitely for as long as they remain a secret." https://www.mondaq.com/france/trade-secrets/1103556/2021-mid-year-review-key-global-trade-secret-developments [14:36] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.mondaq.com | 2021 Mid-Year Review: Key Global Trade Secret Developments - Intellectual Property - Worldwide [14:39] techrights-news Profoundly rigged courts, the EPO's BoA or TBA in this case, would of course accept bogus #softwarepatents that no court (that's not rigged by #EPO thugs) would ever accept https://www.mondaq.com/germany/patent/1094138/disambiguation-of-text-with-an-upper-and-lower-case-technical see http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ [14:39] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.mondaq.com | Disambiguation Of Text With An Upper And Lower Case: Technical - Intellectual Property - Germany [14:39] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy | Techrights [14:41] techrights-news More #patents or #patent #monopolies around #cancer https://www.streetinsider.com/Business+Wire/USPTO+Grants+ONK+Therapeutics+Foundational+Patent+for+CISH+Knockout+in+NK+Cells+for+Use+in+Cancer+Therapies/18919347.html techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/ [14:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.streetinsider.com | USPTO Grants ONK Therapeutics Foundational Patent for CISH Knockout in NK Cells for Use in Cancer Therapies [14:43] techrights-news #TeamUPC keeps lying, for profit, about #UPC , with effectively fake/bogus/false 'news' https://www.mondaq.com/ireland/patent/1109688/the-european-unified-patent-court-is-it-finally-within-reach see [14:43] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.mondaq.com | The European Unified Patent Court Is It Finally Within Reach? - Intellectual Property - European Union [14:45] techrights-news Pursuing likely dubious #patents at the #EPO (quality went downhill) and conflating EPO with the #EU , which are not the same thing and are not the same nations, either https://www.streetinsider.com/Globe+Newswire/Save+Foods+Granted+A+Patent+For+Its+Proprietary+Compound+For+The+Natural+Protection+Of+Edible+Matter/18920750.html http://techrights.org/2017/10/17/detrimental-effect-on-european-patents/ [14:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.streetinsider.com | Save Foods Granted A Patent For Its Proprietary Compound For The Natural Protection Of Edible Matter [14:45] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | SUEPO Representatives Like Elizabeth Hardon Vindicated as Battistellis Detrimental Effect on Patent Quality is Widely Confirmed | Techrights [14:47] techrights-news In some #patent courts, common sense still prevails; #Australia and #SouthAfrica now look desperate for any #patents -- even bogus ones https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/04/ai_patent_ruling/ [14:47] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theregister.com | Only 'natural persons' can be recognized as patent inventors, not AI systems, US judge rules The Register [14:59] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 12 [15:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:15] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [15:15] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [15:41] techrights-news A guide to #Singapore s new #copyright #law https://www.managingip.com/article/b1thycz3mfp42h/a-guide-to-singapores-new-copyright-law [15:41] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.managingip.com | A guide to Singapores new copyright law | Managing Intellectual Property [15:44] techrights-news Celebration of #embargo from #litigation zealots who worked for #BristowsLLP and constantly lies about the #UPC for that awful firm http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/no-german-injunction-gap-expedition-in.html so-called #bristowsUPC http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bristows_LLP [15:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-ipkitten.blogspot.com | No "German injunction gap" expedition in Abbott v Dexcom global diabetes battle, as Mr Justice Mellor expresses "some regret" - The IPKat [15:44] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Bristows LLP - Techrights [15:46] techrights-news As if the quality of today's #EPO -granted #patents is something worth celebrating all... http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=76130 see http://techrights.org/2020/06/12/technologia-epo-survey/ [15:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.businesskorea.co.kr | JW Bioscience to Register Patent on Early Sepsis Diagnosis Technology in Europe - Businesskorea [15:46] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | SUEPO (Staff Union of EPO): The Imbalance Between the Importance of (Patent) Quality and Quantity Remains a Cause for Concern and Only 3% of EPO Staff Has Confidence in President Campinos | Techrights [15:48] techrights-news #rainbow https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/saturday-afternoon-random-randomness-7-17-21-24.jpg [15:50] techrights-news More #fakepatents or bogus #litigation as #cafc steps in https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/09/approves-facilitate-management.html #uspto #patent [15:50] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-patentlyo.com | Federal Circuit Approves of Order to Drop Patents from the Lawsuit to Facilitate Case Management | Patently-O [15:56] techrights-news Give Your #KDE Plasma Desktop The Wow Factor | Nord Color Pallete - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2GYT7BK41zk #video #gnu #llnux [15:56] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-yewtu.be | Give Your KDE Plasma Desktop The Wow Factor | Nord Color Pallete - Invidious ● Sep 12 [16:00] techrights-news Argh... now #slashdot uses Tweets (!!!) as "sources"... downhill that site went [16:02] techrights-news #slashdot rarely covers #linux anymore; when it does, like this afternoon, it's actually all about #apple and #microsoft (!!!) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140541#comment-30939 #clickbait [16:02] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Linux 5.9, Linux Plumbers Conference and Microsoftication | Tux Machines [16:16] techrights-news I can see you, you can't see me https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/08/17/3c4c5ae8ff365daa.mp4 #cat [16:18] techrights-news "The court has denied DMFs mandamus petition on an interesting post-IPR estoppel question." #ptab #uspto #patents #priorart https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/09/estoppel-printed-publication.html [16:18] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-patentlyo.com | Post-IPR Estoppel: Printed Publication vs. Actual Product Shown in the Publication | Patently-O [16:20] techrights-news #taiwan -- like most countries and their courts/ #patent offices -- was not successfully #rickrolled by Mr. #Thaler https://www.mondaq.com/patent/1108642/dabus-the-ai-is-denied-inventorship-in-taiwan [16:20] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.mondaq.com | DABUS The AI Is Denied Inventorship In Taiwan - Intellectual Property - Taiwan [16:22] techrights-news #microsoft boosters push for #patent maximalism, as one might expect... ttps://analyticsindiamag.com/can-ai-be-an-inventor-ryan-abbott-stephen-thaler-say-why-not see http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-13/ [16:22] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XIII: A Global IP Player | Techrights [16:24] techrights-news Trying to police #socialcontrolmedia (which is all about mass control over people, minds, perception) for corporate brands https://www.managingip.com/article/b1tj0tm71f8jy4/influencer-issues-to-follow-ip-counsel-give-social-media-tips who does the controlling: http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ [16:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.managingip.com | Influencer issues to follow: IP counsel give social media tips | Managing Intellectual Property [16:24] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights [16:27] techrights-news Overt conflict of interest. Spreading utter lies and malicious false 'news' for "head of UPC Preparatory Committee" by "Colette Brady and Laura Scott are partners at William Fry." So #litigation firms are pushing complete #lies for profit in so-called 'media' http://www.irishlegal.com/articles/the-european-unified-patent-court-is-it-finally-within-reach see http://techrights.org/2021/08/19/captured-media-telling-lies/ [16:27] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.irishlegal.com | Analysis: The European Unified Patent Court is it finally within reach? | Irish Legal News [16:27] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Naming and Shaming Captured Publications That Knowingly and Intentionally Published Fake News About the EUs Unified Patent Court So Far This Week | Techrights [16:28] techrights-news "Week highlights: new version of BeeRef available, Inkscape updates, VCV Rack 2 teaser, new PipeWire release, and more." https://librearts.org/2021/09/week-recap-12-sep-2021/ [16:28] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-librearts.org | Libre Arts - Weekly recap 12 September 2021 [16:32] techrights-news #google has made its malicious browser a nightmare to build/compile/branch off/fork https://bkhome.org/news/202109/fscrypt-now-works-in-user-spot.html [16:32] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-bkhome.org | Fscrypt now works in user spot [16:33] techrights-news What if people cover their genitals with shoes? Would that count as either clothing or FOOTwear? https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/saturday-afternoon-random-randomness-7-17-21-32.jpg [16:35] techrights-news #UK splashes out 30m on improving antiquated #patent system, #Deloitte and NTT Data are the lucky winners https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/08/uk_patent_contracts/ Deloitte = #Microsoft shills: http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/covering-up-microsoft-misconduct/ [16:35] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-www.theregister.com | UK splashes out 30m on improving antiquated patent system, Deloitte and NTT Data are the lucky winners The Register [16:35] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Censorship by Microsoft at Medium and Other Web Sites (to Cover Up or Hide Microsofts Misconduct) | Techrights [16:36] techrights-news "Back in April 2020, the US Patent and Trademark Office decided that only natural persons could be considered the inventor of a patent." https://whattheythink.com/articles/107509-around-web-patent-palaver-lamp-love-street-smarts-elastic-enhancement-smart-specs-pestering-popups-verbose-vegetation-foolish-fowl-tuneful-typing-tiffany-tidbits-good-gander/ [16:36] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-Around the Web: Patent Palaver. 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Good Gander. - WhatTheyThink [16:42] techrights-news #RaspberryPi #Firewall : #HowTo Install and Manage it by Using UFW https://linuxiac.com/raspberry-pi-firewall/ #linuxiac [16:42] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-linuxiac.com | Raspberry Pi Firewall: How to Install and Manage it by Using UFW ● Sep 12 [17:14] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:14] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [17:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [17:19] techrights-news Eagerness to make #geminiProtocol all about user input of webforms https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007101.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007102.html [17:19] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] trailing '?' for input (was: entry field in gemtext) [17:19] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] trailing '?' for input (was: entry field in gemtext) [17:23] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@x6x2gkvqza8kk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [17:25] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [17:30] techrights-news #Git Over Gemini Protocol (and Experimental/Preliminary Publication of Some Techrights Code) http://techrights.org/2021/09/12/git-in-geminispace/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/12/git-in-geminispace/ [17:30] -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social-techrights.org | Git Over Gemini Protocol (and Experimental/Preliminary Publication of Some Techrights Code) | Techrights ● Sep 12 [18:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:32] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:40] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [18:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social ● Sep 12 [19:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:39] *bridge has quit (connection closed) ● Sep 12 [20:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [20:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [20:38] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@c53pwstuh4ibn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social ● Sep 12 [21:37] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[13:35] schestowitz-TR compare to the problem with "apps" [13:36] schestowitz-TR and the 'web' [13:36] schestowitz-TR same issue, same trend [13:36] schestowitz-TR throwing loads of shit at all things to compel people to buy new things [13:37] activelow even worse, not only did the modern "innovation" blow up, too the legacy systems are ruined [13:47] schestowitz-TR they don't care [13:47] schestowitz-TR there's no money on those systemd [13:47] schestowitz-TR *systems [13:47] schestowitz-TR systemd a typo [13:47] schestowitz-TR but that typo is epic [13:55] MinceR :> ● Sep 12 [14:19] *MinceR has quit (connection closed) [14:26] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #techpol [14:26] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to MinceR [14:51] psydruid how far back could or would you go for a somewhat sane software stack to be run on a pentium 150? [14:52] schestowitz-TR ooooof [14:52] schestowitz-TR what use case? [14:52] schestowitz-TR we browsing? [14:52] schestowitz-TR *web [14:52] schestowitz-TR I had a 166mhz pc, iirc, in the 90s [14:52] psydruid everything we did back then and we still do now [14:53] psydruid I had a 200mhz pc [14:53] schestowitz-TR or maybe I mistake that for 170MB on the hard drive (all of it, software plus data) [14:53] psydruid but I remember I could run everything on it that I wanted [14:53] schestowitz-TR I rememebr being envious of my mate getting cutting-edge machines like 400mhz [14:53] schestowitz-TR then 600mhz [14:53] schestowitz-TR and they - WHOA - GIGAHERTZ! [14:53] schestowitz-TR you could play VERY good games on them [14:54] schestowitz-TR quake and stuff [14:54] schestowitz-TR I could play street fighter 2 on mine [14:54] schestowitz-TR but a pc/dos version, not the mame version [14:54] schestowitz-TR the mame version ws far better [14:55] psydruid I got a 1200 mhz pc in 2001 and then a quadcore 2300 mhz one in 2009 [14:55] schestowitz-TR my 1999 new pc was 400mhz amd [14:55] schestowitz-TR I used it until 2005 at some capacity [14:55] schestowitz-TR 32 mb of ram [14:55] psydruid the only reason why I don't have my first two anymore is because I handed those down to my sister [14:55] psydruid oh [14:55] schestowitz-TR 4 mb or ram was not outlandish in the 90s [14:56] schestowitz-TR i ran firefox on 32 mb ram pc [14:56] psydruid I started out with 32 mb, then 256 mb and in my new pc 1 gb [14:56] psydruid yes [14:56] schestowitz-TR it wasn't fast, but the web and browsers were not so bloated yet ● Sep 12 [15:00] activelow currently my system is a quadcore a53@1.2GHz with 4GiB of RAM, which is what i will keep for this linux system [15:00] psydruid I'm more or less thinking about 2000-2002, as x86 processors were in the 1 ghz range [15:01] activelow it is only annoying such a powerful system isn't enough, because of horrible software [15:01] psydruid so what if that whole stack was ported to ARM, wouldn't it just fly on the hardware? [15:01] psydruid yes, I agree [15:01] psydruid I have the same hardware [15:01] psydruid and I don't think the hardware is the problem [15:01] psydruid it's the software [15:02] activelow couldn't at least change framebuffer console video resultion easily [15:03] activelow i want this: simply half 1920x1080 down to 960x540 and let the monitor scale this up x2 [15:03] activelow it isn't at least possible to set any other resolution on framebuffer [15:05] activelow resolution [15:26] activelow i mean, with vesafb i know how to change this with a kernel parameter, with lima/panfrost kernel framebuffer i don't; and ideally framebuffer console resolution can be changed after system finished booting [15:27] activelow with FullHD the industry pushed beyond VESA standard, and since then "fuck you nvidia", while i would add all others to this list of sh**heads too ● Sep 12 [17:23] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@x6x2gkvqza8kk.irc) has joined #techpol [17:25] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techpol ● Sep 12 [19:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 12 [20:38] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@c53pwstuh4ibn.irc) has joined #techpol ● Sep 12 [21:27] activelow digged into kernel sources, sdl2 sources, dependency graph of this: horror [21:29] activelow nonetheless, i got some 720p video rendering on framebuffer console, and sufficiently fast software-rendering for 3d, good enough [21:30] activelow one showstopper is EVDEV, since sdl2 locks all keyboard i/o loosing all control over the terminal, and i am not willing to integrate EVDEV [21:31] activelow either full-blown x11 or wayland is required for any functional multimedia, or a dangerous keyboard event api must be exposed to have this available on framebuffer console [21:32] activelow directfb is dead, and buggy, not worth any effort [21:34] activelow good news is: kernel, x11/gtk/qt can be patched to fully remove systemd related hazards [21:37] activelow i think SDL2 could be forked to replace EVDEV dependency on framebuffer console, the required code paths exist in SDL2/directfb-backend, won't be trivial to move this into sdl2/kmsdrm backend [21:39] activelow because keyboard i/o is tied to tty handling (and permissions on tty0 which by default has 620 mode owned by root to prevent sniffing there, which required 660 with directfb) [21:40] activelow so, rethinking this, if EVDEV api replaced requires relaxed tty0 permissions then this has no security benefit either [21:41] activelow BEST options seems to be this: for security critical keyboard i/o to remain at framebuffer console (or a secured serial vt100 terminal), and spwan an X11 session for multimedia and other fun separately [21:42] activelow EVDEV is removed already, and xorg didn't require it yet if the legacy keyboard/mouse drivers are available instead of xorg-input-evdev [21:45] activelow i was hoping for removing X11/gtk/qt entirely and retain some minimal multimedia on framebuffer console, but secured keyboard i/o prevents this, becaues with secured keyboard i/o no functional software-setup exists for framebuffer console ● Sep 12 [22:29] *activelow reboots [22:29] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) [22:45] *activelow (~activelow@fpp9gt5hhpz2q.irc) has joined #techpol [22:45] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to activelow ● Sep 12 [23:00] activelow i consider anything involved with multimedia and free and opensource broken and attacked by corporations and their interests [23:01] activelow it is either broken or bloated, or both; even if some multimedia is functional it is at best only comforting those who are not interested in developement and the sources [23:04] activelow even worse, this affects core functionality of gnu/linux, stability and maintenance; couldn't at least easily reduce resolution of HDMI out with the ARM SBCs i've got, since fonts are too small at fullhd [23:05] activelow somewhat ridiculous given the presence of proprietary options roms, and legacy systems could handle this with some tiny helper utilities with a few KiB in size [23:06] activelow leave alone what a headache secured terminal i/o is: patched kernel and xorg to support non-root x-server (so it cannot sniff /dev/tty0 for example), evdev which sneaked into kernel and xorg, it is an endless list of whatever i reviewed [23:22] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [23:30] activelow i will probably ditch mesa opengl entirely, the entire hardware and software stack is screwed; kms/drm are required otherwise xorg cannot at least render 2d sufficiently fast, and some systems do not output any HDMI at all without it [23:31] schestowitz-TR I cannot tell the difference between vga and hdmi [23:31] schestowitz-TR to me as an end user one has no advantages over the other [23:31] schestowitz-TR except "new" and "old" [23:31] schestowitz-TR or analogue and digital [23:31] schestowitz-TR the picture quality, to a human, at 1080p, is the same [23:32] activelow the software part to draw frames is digital anyway, and the entire "acceleration" voodoo too [23:33] activelow hdmi sends digital to the monitor (with powerful electronics embedded into), while VGA sends an analog signal typially suited for CRT screens [23:33] schestowitz-TR does that impact power usage? [23:33] schestowitz-TR the newer screens refuse to do analogue [23:33] activelow i prefer VGA for reasons unrelated to analog or digital [23:34] activelow my flatscreen got a vga port, but the computers do not have vga-out [23:34] schestowitz-TR that too is an issue [23:34] schestowitz-TR adapters for vga-hdmi are expensive [23:35] activelow alot is related to DMCA, and a trillion dollar cash scam with GPUs [23:35] activelow and gnu/linux was ruined by it too [23:36] activelow a pentium 150 could easily render PAL resolution video into GPU memory, a modern system 10x faster cannot anymore