●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, May 02, 2025 ●● ● May 02 [00:22] *whatA_ has quit (connection closed) ● May 02 [02:02] *whatA_ (~chatzilla@8vs3q4sn8txdc.irc) has joined #techbytes [02:07] *fantom has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:08] *fantom (~fantom@freenode-ff6.5hs.anfioq.IP) has joined #techbytes [02:13] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● May 02 [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2025-05/msg00000.html [03:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.gnu.org | Re: Can AI distinguish "libre" from "gratis"? [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] \""* Akira Urushibata [2025-04-28 20:08]: [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Other items of the list discussed ticket prices, access to the [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > grounds. Obviously the above text was generated by AI, for it is [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > unlikely for a human being to err in this manner, but Google does not [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > clarify. (Confirmed April 28 Japan time) So, one part of Google [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > (probably AI) treats the exposition as canceled while another part [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > understands that it is in progress. There is a failure to notice [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > an obvious contradiction. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] It is their organization. You can complain to them. Take it [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] realistically, you can't do nothing much about organizations that are [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] not under your control. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Don't expect "corporate responsibility" as they are money driven, they [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] have responsibility to making income, not to random people. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Can AI distinguish between "free" as in "free drinks" and "free" as in [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > "freedom"? [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Run the so-called "AI" or the Large Language Model (LLM) on your own [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] computer and find it out! [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#ArtificialIntelligence [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] The word AI as such is not wrong, but when used in wrong context for [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] sensationalism or anthropomorphism of computer programs it leads [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] people to wrong conclusions. Point is that it doesn't think. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Your message proves that it doesn't think. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Back to question if Large Language Model (LLM) can understand "free" as in [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] freedom related to free software: [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] - ask your favorite LLM what is free software. Sample answer by [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] GLM-4-9B-0414-Q8_0.gguf Large Language Model (LLM) says that it can [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] understand it: [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] https://gnu.support/files/tmp/clipboard-2025-05-01-08-35-21.html [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] If you start talking to the LLM in the context of price, it may probably answer [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] in that way. Let's try: [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > I can't afford Microsoft proprietary software, should I instead use free [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > software? [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Answer: [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] https://gnu.support/files/tmp/clipboard-2025-05-01-08-37-51.html [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Answer is quite aligned to meanings of free software. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] I have other 100 models which I could test, but there is no need to [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] exaggerate. I can tell you that my experience is that it does [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] understand the meaning of free software as majority of models have [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] been trained on information which provides those meanings. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > We should watch out for this. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] You can watch, but is waste of time. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] If you wish to make things right, take datasets and fine-tune some [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] models. But I think that is also waste of time. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] The effort to correct society on the importance of free software, [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] especially when common knowledge lacks sufficient references, would be [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] like trying to teach a new language to a community that still speaks [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] an old one. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Reality is that there is sufficient information on free software and [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] that information is part of each Large Language Model (LLM) so far [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] that I have tried out, it is more than 100+ different Large Language [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Models (LLM). [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > The above makes me think that we should not expect much. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Expecting is passive attitude of an observer. You can be causal and [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] influence society. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] First is to understand that you can run the Large Language Model (LLM) [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] locally. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] THUDM/GLM-4: GLM-4 series: Open Multilingual Multimodal Chat LMs | [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] https://github.com/THUDM/GLM-4 [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Get your hardware and run it locally. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] There is no point in staying behind the computer technology [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] developments. Run it locally, do the research, understand that there [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] there many many different Large Language Model (LLM) and then start [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] benchmarking and testing. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Even if we observe AI getting the distinction right in a number of [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > cases we should not expect it to be always correct. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Good conclusion! [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] I consider all information generated by the Large Language Model (LLM) [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] as a draft of a possibly correct answer. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > For one thing many people are confused and much has been written [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > based on the mistake. it is unreasonable to expect that none of the [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > erroneous material has been fed to the large language model (LLM) [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > neural networks for training. In addition the above example [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > indicates that AI is not good at coping with lack of integrity. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Perhaps a contradiction which is obvious to a human being is not [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > so for AI. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] What is erroneous material or not, is not subject for the Large [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Language Model (LLM). That is subject of human discussions and [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] opinions. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] There is no right or wrong for the Large Language Model (LLM). [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Datasets used in training are by the rule biased by people who created [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] There is no right or wrong for the llmthe information. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] There is no right or wrong for the Large Language Model (LLM). [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] It is like watching TV stations over the world. You cannot get the [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] single objective truth, but you get variety of human information where [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] you need to keep the principle of deciding what is right or wrong for [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] yourself. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Anybody who thinks let me teach Large Language Model [LLM] what is [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] right or wrong is automatically creating a new biased and censored [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] version that wont represent information to the user so they can [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] decide about it, as what was considered wrong by the author may not be [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] wrong for the user. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Your attempt of wronging any Large Language Model (LLM) is futile. It [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] is text generation tool. To blame anyone condition is to know who was [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] responsible for "training" of the Large Language Model (LLM). And why [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] do that in first place? Anybody can make their own Large Language [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Model (LLM), similarly like people are creating websites individually. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Related article: Researchers have found methods to investigate what is [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > going on inside the neural networks that power AI. They have [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > discovered that the process differs greatly from human reasoning. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] There are sciences of mind though so far there is no consensus how [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] human mind works exactly. I don't think we have a stable information [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] about human reasoning that could be compared to computer base neural [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] networks. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] But -- when I hear that researches have found methods to investigate [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] what is going on inside the neural networks, it only means that those [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] were beginners, and there were previous researchers who created [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] neuaral networks knowing exactly what is going on. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] So article is in the sense contradictory and sensationalist. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > We Now Know How AI 'Thinks'--and It's Barely Thinking at All [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/now-know-ai-thinks-barely-010000603.html [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Is not worth reading even. It is made for Yahoo readers, part of entertainment. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] It is well established that Large Language Model (LLM) doesn't [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] think. There is no "barely thinking", there is ZERO thinking. It is [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] data and computer program giving you output of that data, giving the [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] impression of mimicking, due to usage of natural language. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] I think it is greatest tool so far in 21st century as it empowers [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] human to be 10 times or 100 times faster in various tasks. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Of course, it doesn't think. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Though I don't follow developments in this field closely, what is [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > written in this article confirms my suspicions. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Good cognition! [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > Another way to see this is that the AI developers now have the [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > equivalent of a debugger which allows them to probe the internal [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] > process. This is likely to affect development. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Of course! All tokens can be seen, analysed, layers of the Large [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Language Model (LLM) can be visually inspected, analyzed to every [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] detail when necessary. [03:09] schestowitz[TR2] Jean Louis [03:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.gnu.org | Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [03:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-gnu.support | clipboard [03:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-gnu.support | clipboard [03:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-GitHub - THUDM/GLM-4: GLM-4 series: Open Multilingual Multimodal Chat LMs | [03:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-finance.yahoo.com | We Now Know How AI Thinksand Its Barely Thinking at All [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt73dc44 [03:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt73dc44 ) [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] Salary cut option [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] If you had an option: take a salary cut or get laid off, what would you do. If salary cut what percentage would you be open to take. [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] I would accept approximately zero point zero. I retired at IBM. Much earlier, I worked for a startup that found itself in some trouble. In that case, the idea of a salary cut was a possibility because the management was 100% up front about our situation. In the case of IBM, no chance. The company can easily afford you but would like to chose not to. Probably because they want to move your job to the subcontinent. [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] Seriously, unless they can come up with a really compelling reason to cut your salary and an explanation of how this can help you in the long term, choose your dignity first. Better to d!e on your feet than live on your knees, dude. Zero point zero. [03:14] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:15] schestowitz[TR2] "Was this option offered to you ? If so, what group do you work in? [03:15] schestowitz[TR2] I have not heard of this before. They would rather cut bait with people completely. Not reduce salary. " ● May 02 [04:20] *fantom has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:26] *fantom (~fantom@freenode-ff6.5hs.anfioq.IP) has joined #techbytes [04:45] *whatA_ has quit (connection closed) [04:46] *whatA_ (~chatzilla@5bpmcrjwyp5wk.irc) has joined #techbytes ● May 02 [05:23] *whatA_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]) ● May 02 [10:02] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:05] *jacobk (~quassel@syp65ggum2ibk.irc) has joined #techbytes ● May 02 [11:08] schestowitz[TR2] "Bill Gates' daughter accidentally reveals billionaire's bombshell medical diagnosis | Daily Mail Online" [11:08] schestowitz[TR2] x https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14670255/bill-gates-daughter-reveals-medical-diagnosis.html [11:08] schestowitz[TR2] # a transparent play [11:08] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dailymail.co.uk | Bill Gates' daughter accidentally reveals billionaire's bombshell medical diagnosis | Daily Mail Online [11:15] schestowitz[TR2] "US stocks boosted by gains in Microsoft, Meta" [11:15] schestowitz[TR2] x https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/2299267.html [11:15] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/2299267.html ) ● May 02 [12:24] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@8p6k6zizq5nqc.irc) has joined #techbytes ● May 02 [14:17] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt73dc44 [14:17] schestowitz[TR2] " [14:17] schestowitz[TR2] Before Gerstner destroyed IBM forever 4-1-93 IBM for decades had a no layoff policy because founder Thomas J Watson Sr had led a very tough life starting out selling organs and pianos and sewing machines from the back of a horse drawn carriage going from town to town in upstate NY. He and then his son Thomas J Watson Jr were CEOs for over 50 years. Sr was also convicted on monopoly practices when he was at NCR that later were wiped [14:17] schestowitz[TR2] away after he made massive donations after huge floods in NY. They passionately believed in full employment. So much so that wen IBM hit hard times, and they did, they did cut salaries etc and had people sweep floors and paint bldgs etc but did not layoff people. This built huge goodwill for the Watsons and IBM and for decades people would go far and above knowing IBM would be there for them and take care of them. That was quickly [14:17] schestowitz[TR2] erased by Gerstner. I joined in the early 80s when IBM was doing very well and John Opel was CEO who then passed it to John Akers but THOUGHT the competition was from Japanese firms Hitachi and Fujitsu who had plug compatible mainframes but in hind sight it was the PC and other distributed computing that "came up from the bottom" that IBM thought were toys and would pass. [14:17] schestowitz[TR2] " [14:20] schestowitz[TR2] Watson was a "criminal sociopath" (that's according to Black), who was "convicted on extortion" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMF6hirWXI8 [14:20] schestowitz[TR2] He also saluted Hitler (with a Nazi salute). [14:20] schestowitz[TR2] Let's not tell IBM fairytales about a mythical Watson. [14:20] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsrkya-Bfk [14:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Invidious: https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=cMF6hirWXI8 [14:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Could not resolve host: invidious.namazso.eu ( status 0 @ https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=cMF6hirWXI8 ) [14:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Invidious: https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=ocsrkya-Bfk [14:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Failed to connect to invidious.flokinet.to port 443 after 1865 ms: Couldn't connect to server ( status 0 @ https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=ocsrkya-Bfk ) [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt7xrzef [14:22] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt7xrzef ) [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] "" [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Humpty Dumpty had a great fall; [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] All the king's horses and all the king's men [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Couldn't put Humpty together again. [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] 2 hours ago by Anonymous [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] | 2 reactions (+2/-0) [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @aq+1jt7xrzef [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] 0 [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Some loser has apparently made his life's work to post reich wing cr-p on here. [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] He really needs to stick (sticky?) to whacking off in his mom's basement. That is more productive. [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] 3 hours ago by Anonymous [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] | 8 reactions (+4/-4) [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ak+1jt7xrzef [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] +3 [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Tweedledum and Tweedledee [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] 3 hours ago by Anonymous [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+3/-0) [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @aj+1jt7xrzef [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] 0 [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] This site should be about layoffs not far right and radically conservative racist ideology. I read the articles from the right and I realize its just mass brainwashing to make Americans feel as if we have been victimized and cause division which makes ud in turn willing to victimize minority groups. Let's stay on a high level of professionalism and discuss layoff data and things like how we can find other jobs for our colleagues an [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] d ourselves if laid off. [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] 3 hours ago by Anonymous [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] | 8 reactions (+4/-4) [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @af+1jt7xrzef [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] +6 [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] Oh Really ? Is that why the article on the IBM realignment and the associated comments at this site was take down (deleted) this week ? [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] As someone has already pointed out in another thread, IBM is only investing $150 Billion over the next decade to move jobs from the USA to India. There will be minimal job creation in the USA. More smoke and mirrors from IBM and IBM HR. The job movement will be done under any pretext that Alvind can use to justify his $100 million bonus in 2026 - AI, Cost cutting, job realignment, whatever. When you hire a crook as IBM CEO and Chai [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] rman, that's what you should expect. [14:22] schestowitz[TR2] " [14:28] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@8p6k6zizq5nqc.irc) has joined #techbytes ● May 02 [15:45] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@h5zkbfemmwig6.irc) has joined #techbytes ● May 02 [16:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [16:29] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:29] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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(Not how you planned it turning out is it? lol) [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] 1 hour ago by F Arvind [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] | 2 reactions (+2/-0) [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @bz+1jt7xrzef [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] 0 [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] Ma n'atu sole cchi bello, oi ne', [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] 'o sole mio sta nfronte a te! [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] 'o sole, 'o sole mio [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] sta nfronte a te, sta nfronte a te! [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] 5 hours ago by Anonymous [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] | 2 reactions (+1/-1) [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @b6+1jt7xrzef [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] 0 [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] @ak and @af -- It's posters like these two radical leftists (likely Jacobins) that contributed to the death of DEI. [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] " [20:13] schestowitz[TR2]
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