IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 02, 2021

-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@RampCapitalLLC: Oh no baby, what is you doin’? https://t.co/AeKPxsc2Vp

-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@RampCapitalLLC: Oh no baby, what is you doin’? https://t.co/AeKPxsc2Vp

> <https://twitter.com/rampcapitalllc/status/1410585529704407043?s=21>

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> Ballmer going after dicks! 🤣🤣

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At least they were not kids!

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safer to publish now, partly redacted:

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[22:00] <schestowitz> ping

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[22:01] <schestowitz> minutes ago our team lost Champions League final :-(

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[22:01] <schestowitz> I only had 1 hours of sleep

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[22:01] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> hi

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[22:01] <schestowitz> woke up, saw what I considered to be comprehensive misunderstanding of my position in IRC

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[22:01] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i really think it is inappropriate for myself to be xxxxxxxxxxx of techrights anymore

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[22:01] <schestowitz> heart sank

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[22:01] <schestowitz> stopped the football and all

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[22:02] <schestowitz> I want to ensure you know I condemned the person you don't agree with

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[22:02] <schestowitz> as I said hours ago in my article, it's a choice between two evils

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[22:02] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but by remaining on freenode and publishing articles about how people are lying about freenode's demise, you legitimize him

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[22:02] <schestowitz> of different kinds

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[22:02] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> andrew lee is a threat to digital autonomy

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[22:02] <schestowitz> I published not an endorsement of freenode

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[22:03] <schestowitz> but I said several times in my video the video was about confronting a falsehood

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[22:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> freenode was at 80k a week ago

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[22:03] <schestowitz> and it would be unfair to fill the gap with what you think I said

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[22:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> now its at 60k

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[22:03] <schestowitz> listen to the first 2 mins of the video

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[22:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> whats untrue?

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[22:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :D

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[22:03] <schestowitz> I said this repeatedly even

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[22:03] <schestowitz> have a listen, please

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[22:03] <schestowitz> I regret this whole IRC split

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[22:04] <schestowitz> and I want to keep something stable for us to expose EPO corruption with

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[22:04] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i will, but i won't go to freenode again as a user

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[22:04] <schestowitz> we did score a MAJOR win on Friday

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[22:04] <schestowitz> our series now threatens the whole corrupt EPO management and swpats decisions made for 8 years

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[22:04] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that's good

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[22:04] <schestowitz> have a listen to the video

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[22:05] <schestowitz> I never defended freenode, esp. after the period of time weeks ago

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[22:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the problem is, though

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[22:05] <schestowitz> I was actually blasted by some of them for being critical

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[22:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and i have tried to reason with andrew a lot

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[22:05] <schestowitz> by freenode people (Lee Bros)

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[22:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i care about digital autonomy (of which software freedom is a huge component)

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[22:05] <schestowitz> so now I'm blasted from both sides -- unfair to me IMHO

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[22:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i see what lee did as an attack on the autonomy of communities

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[22:06] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is the same issue as microsoft buying github

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[22:06] <schestowitz> I don't trust him

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[22:06] <schestowitz> I spoke to him in length

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[22:06] <schestowitz> he's a poser

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[22:06] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i also do not think it is good for libera to have all users

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[22:06] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i wish more people would self-host

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[22:06] <schestowitz> please make sure to also see me blasting him to his face, in public, like half a dozen times

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[22:07] <schestowitz> I never mentioned libera

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[22:07] <schestowitz> by name

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[22:07] <schestowitz> almost never

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[22:07] <schestowitz> I am not against the volunteers there

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[22:07] <schestowitz> but I think this infighting harms all of us

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[22:07] <schestowitz> and 1.5 weeks ago I stopped writing about it

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[22:07] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i agree that this has sure wasted a lot of time

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[22:07] <schestowitz> I want to focus on exposing EPO crimes

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[22:07] <schestowitz> this is OUR BREAD AND BUTTER

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[22:07] <schestowitz> I don't want this politics and disruption to the foundations

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[22:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yes, EPO crimes and software patent advocacy is why i want to support techrights

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[22:08] <schestowitz> it happened in March also (RMS thing)

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[22:08] <schestowitz> Please consider supporting us

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[22:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> okay, fine

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[22:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i'll continue with it

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[22:08] <schestowitz> I really WOULD RATHER JUST FOCUS ON THE LEAKS

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[22:08] <schestowitz> not that partisan drama

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[22:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but i wont use freenode

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[22:08] <schestowitz> that's OK

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[22:08] <schestowitz> I don't want to either

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[22:08] <schestowitz> but that's where we have been for 13 years!!

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[22:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> maybe consider moving to OFTC or we could set up an ircd on the techrights server

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[22:08] <schestowitz> I didn't choose freenode

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[22:08] <schestowitz> a friend chose it for me

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[22:09] <schestowitz> and that's where we are

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[22:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> freenode was good then :)

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[22:09] <schestowitz> sort of stuck, not choice

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[22:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> leenode is bad now :)

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[22:09] <schestowitz> it's troubling, yes

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[22:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> if xxxxx can move in 6 hours

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[22:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you can move

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[22:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :P

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[22:09] <schestowitz> but i need to focus on publishing operations, I do this for no financial gain

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[22:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> true

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[22:09] <schestowitz> and I need something that lets me focus on writing

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[22:09] <schestowitz> not getting stressed out over platforms

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[22:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> well if you want to self-host an ircd

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[22:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i can set one up

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[22:10] <schestowitz> that would be excellent!

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[22:10] <schestowitz> self-hosting IrC

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[22:10] <schestowitz> I can branch out a DNS entry

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[22:10] <schestowitz> subdomain like irc.techrights.org

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[22:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep

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[22:10] <schestowitz> i suppose it can be robust

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[22:10] <schestowitz> in terms of uptime etc.

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[22:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 23.161.112.117

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[22:10] <schestowitz> if we get .. yes

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[22:10] <schestowitz> you beat me to it

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[22:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 2602:fd37:1::117

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> btw

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i am talking to FSF

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[22:11] <schestowitz> they too should self-host

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i showed them some things i have been working on

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[22:11] <schestowitz> imho

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> to enable loose confederations

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and they are interested in self hosting

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[22:11] <schestowitz> they should

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i see libera as "immediately solve the threat"

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[22:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but self-hosting is the cure

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[22:12] <schestowitz> I don't want to be at the mercy of people, I think we need to move the Internet in that direction

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[22:12] <schestowitz> at the very lease to set an example

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[22:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and for somebody who is an "anti-GPL shill" like crystalmath says, this work is under AGPL

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[22:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> sooooo

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[22:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :P

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[22:12] <schestowitz> btw

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[22:12] <schestowitz> we spoke about self-hosting irc last year

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[22:12] <schestowitz> and considered the issues

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[22:12] <schestowitz> like lack of expertise

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[22:12] <schestowitz> but you are like an IRC guru

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[22:13] <schestowitz> if I set up the sub-domain, will that work OK? I mean, once a container is there...

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[22:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> okay

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[22:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> well i'll set something up

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[22:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep

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[22:13] <schestowitz> :-)

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[22:13] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i can make a container

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[22:15] <schestowitz> I'll do dns. Now is a good time?

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[22:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> sure

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[22:16] <schestowitz> /me setting up sub domain

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[22:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> kk

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[22:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think also if techrights leaves freenode

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[22:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a lot of the trolls won't move

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[22:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and i think that will actually help a lot

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[22:20] <schestowitz> I know what you mean

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[22:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i'm going to set up oragono for right now

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[22:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i'm working on a platform called xxxxx

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[22:24] <schestowitz> setting up dns

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[22:24] <schestowitz> mincer says he can help manage it if needed

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[22:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> which distributes the authority that "services" usually uses

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[22:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yes mincer is a good ircop

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[22:24] <schestowitz> he said so but he lacks a lot of experience, still rookie

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[22:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> he used to be an ircop on my old network

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[22:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think once xxxx is ready

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[22:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> we should be able to federate with FSF

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[22:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> they want to use xxxxxx too

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[22:26] <schestowitz> I don't know what that is

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[22:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> xxxxx is an IRCD which replaces services (NickServ/ChanServ) with distributed authority

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[22:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> so accounts and access lists are native to the IRC network itself

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[22:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and federate through the IRC network

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[22:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is ironically what rasengan wants to build

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[22:27] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but he has no idea how to build it, and he would want to monetize it, so i am making it AGPL :P

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[22:28] <schestowitz> haha

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[22:28] <schestowitz> quality!

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[22:28] <schestowitz> anyway, he would not oppose

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[22:29] <schestowitz> maybe this will be the time things work across networks better

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[22:29] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> well i think traditional irc networks will continue to exist

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[22:29] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> xxxxx is a lot different

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[22:30] <schestowitz> good use case, I hope

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[22:30] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> well, i am building xxxxx to take on discord & slack mainly

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[22:30] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but the distributed authority also helps for this use case

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[22:31] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway, let me know when the A/AAAA records are set up

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[22:31] <schestowitz> sure

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[22:36] <schestowitz> irc.techrights.org. 3600 A

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[22:36] <schestowitz> 23.161.112.117

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[22:36] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep

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[22:36] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> and

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[22:36] <schestowitz> do I need to add AAA also?

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[22:36] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yeah for ipv6

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[22:36] <schestowitz> ok, it complaints about the string 2602:fd37:1::117

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[22:36] <schestowitz> maybe the double colon?

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[22:36] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> AAAA

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[22:37] <schestowitz> “irc.techrights.org. 3600 IN AAAA ” does not form a valid DNS resource record. (Syntax error, value expected)

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[22:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> dunno

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[22:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> fuck it

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[22:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ipv4 only for now

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[22:38] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :P

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[22:38] <schestowitz> cool, I will keep trying

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[22:41] <schestowitz> I tried also 2602:fd37:fff:1::6

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[22:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> try

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[22:42] <schestowitz> maybe ipv6 isn't supported by this admin panel that I use (cpanel)

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[22:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> maybe

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[22:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> dunno

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[22:42] <schestowitz> what else to try?

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[22:42] <schestowitz> seems like abbreviated address?

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[22:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> lets just focus on ipv4

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[22:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> atm

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[22:42] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i'll look up how to do it in WHM

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[22:42] <schestowitz> ok

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[22:42] <schestowitz> it's set up now

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[22:42] <schestowitz> for ipv4

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[22:43] <schestowitz> ping irc.techrights.org

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[22:43] <schestowitz> PING irc.techrights.org (23.161.112.117) 56(84) bytes of data.

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[22:43] <schestowitz> 64 bytes from 23-161-112-117.static.as398493.net (23.161.112.117): icmp_seq=18 ttl=50 time=243 ms

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[22:43] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yep

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[22:47] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> btw

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[22:47] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> xxxxxx/1760687104.pdf

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[22:47] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> if you want an peek into andrew's empire

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[22:47] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that one is pretty exhaustive

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[22:48] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think it is pretty fascinating that a bunch of people represented by miller fucking barondess are suing him

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[22:48] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> like what

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[22:48] <schestowitz> I spoke to him about debt and all

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[22:48] <schestowitz> if you read what I said in IRC logs and posts, you'll know I see it as problematic

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[22:48] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you know miller barondess is a big huge hollywood lawfirm right

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[22:48] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> he pissed off an actress

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[22:49] <schestowitz> I worry about the foundations of kape and finances

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[22:49] <schestowitz> because I know "the type"

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[22:51] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> oh well, freenode was rotten before andrew came along

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[22:51] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> maybe that's his end game, run the network into the ground

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[22:52] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> by staffing up nazis

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[22:52] <schestowitz> freenode was always a "third party" situation, which last year we debated

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[22:52] <schestowitz> but we lacked the skills of irc admins

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[22:52] <schestowitz> all those guilt by association things are really troubling

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[22:53] <schestowitz> like trying to make me seem "right wing" somehow, which is so bizarre

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[22:53] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> well, there were a lot of right-wing trolls in #techrights

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[22:53] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> was my point :p

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[22:56] <schestowitz> short of being authoritarian 'irccop' there's no simple solution to such situation... and like I said, I wanted to just focus on writing

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[22:57] <schestowitz> but I recognise the risk of insider infiltration

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[22:57] <schestowitz> I saw this done to other groups over the years

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[22:59] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> they used the rms "cancel culture" issue as a wedge

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[22:59] <schestowitz> RMS has many important things to say, inc. on patents

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[23:00] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i agree

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[23:00] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> its a complicated issue

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[23:00] <schestowitz> remember this

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[23:01] <schestowitz> any time you get upset at me

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[23:01] <schestowitz> I want to write

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[23:01] <schestowitz> and not to deal with letters and patent threats

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[23:01] <schestowitz> or SLAPP

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[23:01] <schestowitz> which still happens

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[23:01] <schestowitz> I never had it easy... never

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[23:01] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yes, i understand now why you were being very careful with andrew

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[23:02] <schestowitz> my first coverage of this wasn't positive for him, nor was the latest... but he's running out of allies

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[23:02] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> he has no allies

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[23:02] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> when he took 700 channels away, he forced my hand

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[23:02] <schestowitz> they think he oozes money

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[23:02] <schestowitz> which I doubt, I spoke to him

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[23:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think he burned through much of the kape money

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[23:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that is what happens when poor people get rich

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[23:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> they blow through the money

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[23:03] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> because htey think there will be more

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[23:04] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i think he is 'asset rich', but not necessarily 'cash rich'

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[23:04] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> if that makes sense

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[23:04] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but he is still rich enough, even cash-wise to be a significant threat

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[23:04] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is not acceptable for freenode to be "the home of FOSS"

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[23:04] <schestowitz> I never said it was :0-)

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[23:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i know, but he wants it to be

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[23:05] <schestowitz> I just wanted stability, not having to worry about rushing from the pen to the fire

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[23:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> that should scare the hell out of everyone

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[23:05] <schestowitz> the upside is, we seize control of IRC at DNS level

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[23:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway i am setting up oragono as a placeholder ircd

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[23:09] <schestowitz> excellent! thanks

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[23:09] <schestowitz> andrew just complimented you, he's cool with us self-hosting

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[23:10] <schestowitz> as I asked in the channel is self-hosting IRC is OK

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[23:10] <schestowitz> *if

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[23:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i know

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[23:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> crystalmath is just mad that i called him xxxxx by accident instead of explaining that he wants all humans to die

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[23:11] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :P

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[23:11] <schestowitz> yes, he did say something to that effect

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[23:11] <schestowitz> was very depressed

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[23:12] <schestowitz> but not malicious person

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[23:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i see

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[23:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> okay, i will update my opinion

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[23:12] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :P

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[23:14] <schestowitz> many of us have depression at some stage of life

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[23:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> fair

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[23:14] <schestowitz> even very affluent people

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[23:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> do you want to accept non-SSL connections

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[23:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> to irc.techrights.org

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[23:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i would assume not

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[23:16] <schestowitz> do most networks accept it?

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[23:16] <schestowitz> I guess going with "irc." was a matter of consistency

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[23:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i'll just leave plaintext enabled

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[23:16] <schestowitz> OK, cool

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[23:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> though SSL is better

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[23:17] <schestowitz> I assume some older clients and maybe our bots might not cope

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[23:39] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> seems up

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[23:39] <schestowitz> :-)

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[23:39] <schestowitz> will connect

https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1410911797457080323

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https://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1411048244130484235

Jul 02 20:52

-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@0xFreak71: Ωραία οι έμποροι βγάζουν τα μάτια τους, να ψόφαγε και το systemd τι καλά που θα ήτανε :P https://t.co/XCQRjId5bZ

Jul 02 20:52

-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Censored by #ibm trolls: IBM is Destroying #RedHat and Red Hatters Are Leaving • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓… https://t.co/IBBmRBQ8jN

Jul 02 20:52

schestowitz

https://twitter.com/jvantill/status/1410991360149233671

-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jvantill: @schestowitz WHAT ?

https://twitter.com/HP_Australia/status/1410959605119676424

schestowitz

-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HP_Australia: @schestowitz Kindly share with us the serial number of the unit in a DM. ^ Damini https://t.co/K8NcWaSD54

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