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| schestowitz | Re: How to speak American | Sep 02 03:35 |
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| schestowitz | > In order to help you understand your friend a little better, here is | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > "wigger" for the uninitiated Brit: | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > Wigger is nearly 100% synonymous with "chav"-- no two words are 100% | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > alike, and as an English English speaker you already know that even the | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > same word isn't always 100% alike. | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > The motivations for using the word vary. To those who haven't | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > encountered it before, it may only seem like a thinly-veiled effort at | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > racism. That's probably not the primary motivation for its use however. | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > Instead, it touches on themes more to do with: | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > 1. identity | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > 2. poverty | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > 3. urban culture (read: poverty, crime, violence) | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > 4. trying to be something you're not | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > 5. all of the above | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > 6. race | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > Carlin made fun of how people (including himself) tried to be "like the | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > black kids" in his jokes about "White Harlem" which was how they | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > referred to the neighborhood they lived in. Why call it White Harlem? So | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > people wouldn't mess with them (and beat them up.) | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > Vicky Pollard would probably be called a Wigger in the USA, she is | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > intended to be the ultimate chav (she is also based on a boy that | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > Walliams and Lucas tried to have a conversation with once). | Sep 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > The term isn't as common as it used to be. Even 20 years ago, I didn't | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > hear it very much. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > Note that black comedian Chris Rock used to talk about n*****s (I'll | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > censor that here) as a certain type of black person-- basically a chav | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > who happens to be black. So a wigger is a certain type of white person. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > Donald Glover (the new Lando, also a rapper and television actor) does a | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > bit where he thinks everybody should start using the word (not only to | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > describe black people) even if it means that some white people are | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > "lost" (to the obvious violence that will ensue) in the process. I think | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > that's funny. He was inspired by Charlie Sheen calling his own wife | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > (Denise Richards) a n*****r during an argument. He jokes that a white | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > person calling another white person a n*****r is progress. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > I realise a lot of this goes firmly against your sensibilities, but I | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > (almost) think that's funny. When it comes to political correctness, the | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > British are typically far behind the Yanks (this is one of the things | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > that people love about Brits, incidentally). | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > There's a difference-- as you know, between progress and political | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > correctness. But sometimes you seem a bit delicate about it. Usually | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > though, you make the best arguments about it in the right places, when | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > it matters. Everybody knows that your friend is a bit over the top when | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > it comes to this sort of thing. Perhaps he should tone it down slightly, | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > but probably not as much as you think he should. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > After all, what matters most is what he's actually saying-- not what it | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > sounds like. That way leads to madness and hypocrisy. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > None of this is about concern of what might happen next. On the | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > contrary, being more familiar may help you understand the world around | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > you. If you just roll your eyes and say "whatever", it's alright-- it's | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > not like either of you are entirely wrong about this. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > Offspring's hit song "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy) was all about this | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > topic. Whether we decide to focus on being offended, or decide that the | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > topic is interesting, our culture exists. | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > One of the reasons that the term has mostly fallen out of use, other | Sep 02 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > than political correctness, is that it's more about people who try too | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > hard to be something else. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > Eminem has probably been called a wigger thousands of times. But | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > cultures have always had crossovers, and though people resist that, true | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > acceptance and admiration happens for some who try (but not too hard). | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > Why is there a video of Richard Stallman dancing to Crank That (Soulja | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > Boy) on the MIT campus, along with several other people (it's grainy, | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > but at least 3 are female-- this is not "just white guys" etc.) | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > Because it's fun. A lot of people (from every ethnicity) are capable of | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > having fun with things like this. Humanity is sort of stupid and goofy, | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > and the job of people who know this is to make fun of everybody, really. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > You were spot-on though, to correct the false assumption that "unrest" | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > is caused primarily by race, when the same thing happens on council | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > estates with the white version of the same problems the States have. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > It's the result, as we both know, of systematic oppression and poverty-- | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > of putting money and power first, and some people last. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > But you also demonstrate with your point that it isn't all about race, | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > either. Racism is the excuse for doing that to people, and when | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > oppression can't point to race as its excuse, it simply finds other | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > reasons. This doesn't mean that racism isn't a problem. It just means | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > that the worst and most significant forms of system racism are used to | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > exacerbate problems that go beyond superficial racial or even cultural | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > differences. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > Meanwhile a lot of people will continue to worry about the more | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > meaningless side of all this, like what the branches of software trees | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > are called. Fortunately when that sort of thing needs to be made fun of, | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > there are black comedians (and black Youtubers) to call it out for what | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | > it is. I'm very grateful for that. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | Oh, thanks for reminding me of the RMS -Soulja Boy video | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | I nearly forgot about that one. | Sep 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | I think it caught on in the Digg.com days. | Sep 02 03:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ClaudiaTheDev/status/1299633131947950080 | Sep 02 06:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ClaudiaTheDev: @tuxmachines Thank you for writing about Ova Magicađź’š! | Sep 02 06:35 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Wikipedia / Appelbaum page | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > To get something to stick in Wikipedia, it is important to have what | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > they call a Reliable Source[1] | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > To put something on the Appelbaum page about the exaggerated victim | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > count, it would be helpful to have an IT journalist publish some brief | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > story about it. | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > People in Wikimedia may not accept my blog and the original emails as | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > part of their definition of a Reliable Source | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > Do you know any IT or media journalist who might do something around the | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > blog? | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources | Sep 02 06:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia:Reliable sources - Wikipedia | Sep 02 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | Yes. Sam Varghese. | Sep 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | fyi: marius now subjects directly to tuxmachines | Sep 02 06:51 |
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