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| schestowitz | # complete and utter bullshit ^W ^W ^W ^W I respectully disagree. | Nov 02 08:39 |
| schestowitz | # see earlier post about platforms | Nov 02 08:39 |
| schestowitz | x https://www.dawn.com/news/1588020/editorial-the-french-president-can-learn-from-trudeaus-response-to-the-blasphemous-sketches | Nov 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | # appeasement in Canada | Nov 02 08:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dawn.com | Dangerous path - Newspaper - DAWN.COM | Nov 02 08:47 | |
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| schestowitz | My favorite story-in-two-headlines: | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | NSA offering 'billions' for Skype eavesdrop solution (2009) https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/12/nsa_offers_billions_f... | Nov 02 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Buys Skype for $8.5 Billion. Why, Exactly? (2011) https://www.wired.com/2011/05/microsoft-buys-skype-2/ | Nov 02 16:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.wired.com | Microsoft Buys Skype for $8.5 Billion. Why, Exactly? | WIRED | Nov 02 16:49 | |
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| schestowitz | lern_too_spel 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Snowden's leaks showed that Skype allowed governments to wiretap its video calls since at least 2010, when those wiretaps were ingested into PRISM. That is before the Microsoft acquisition. | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | It takes a minute of Google searching to debunk this conspiracy theory. | Nov 02 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Lammy 20 hours ago [–] | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | The PRISM slide you're incorrectly referencing shows Skype collection beginning "2/6/11", which in our stupid American short-date format means June 2nd 2011. It's fine if you choose to believe that date has nothing to do with Microsoft's announced-in-May-2011 acquisition of a service that began operation in August 2003, but it's very rude of you to denigrate my completely reasonable observation as a "conspiracy theory". Enjoy your Skype | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | calls :) | Nov 02 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | TheOperator 19 hours ago [–] | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing dinigrating about a theory about a conspiracy being called a conspiracy theory and that reaction gets more and more curious the more I think about it. If you want people to take the idea of plots between the NSA and major companies seriously it seems counterproductive to stigmatise conspiracy theories. | Nov 02 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Lammy 19 hours ago [–] | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | It's a bad-faith term intended only to shut down conversations. | Nov 02 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | lern_too_spel 18 hours ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | It is a term that has a specific meaning. You have a theory that there is a conspiracy between Microsoft and the NSA. No such conspiracy exists. Skype started to forward wiretap data to the FBI in 2010 (presumably from owned supernodes and POTS gateways), and Microsoft continued that work after the purchase. There is no evidence that either Skype or Microsoft worked with the NSA on Skype wiretaps, and there is no evidence that either | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | took a multibillion dollar payout for it. | Nov 02 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | lern_too_spel 18 hours ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm not referring to a PRISM slide for when Skype wiretapping began. PRISM ingestion happens long after a system can be wiretapped but presumably contains data from the when the FBI first started wiretapping these systems. I'm referencing documents the Guardian claimed to have seen that said wiretapping work began in November 2010. Also, 2/6/2011 means February 6, 2011 in the American system. According to The Guardian: | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | "According to the NSA documents, work had begun on smoothly integrating Skype into Prism in November 2010, but it was not until 4 February 2011 that the company was served with a directive to comply signed by the attorney general. | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | "The NSA was able to start tasking Skype communications the following day, and collection began on 6 February." | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | It is not rude to point out misinformation, and your comment fits the definition of "conspiracy theory." | Nov 02 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | joana035 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft become a PRISM provider in 2007 and Skype in 2011. | Nov 02 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | lern_too_spel 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | The only PRISM "provider" is the FBI, as Snowden's slides clearly show. The dates are when the integration work to ingest data (requested for individual accounts being wiretapped) from the various formats that the companies provide to the FBI completed. | Nov 02 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | desilentio 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Any direct evidence that Zoom is giving full access to the NSA now? | Nov 02 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | propogandist 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | they didn't even make an effort to make meetings end to end encrypted until press coverage put them under fire | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | https://theintercept.com/2020/03/31/zoom-meeting-encryption/ | Nov 02 16:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-theintercept.com | Zoom Meetings Do Not Support End-to-End Encryption | Nov 02 16:50 | |
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| schestowitz | qppo 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | More like the PLA | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | bergstromm466 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | May I ask for the reason/thought behind your question? | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | desilentio 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Since everybody is now using Zoom and not Skype, I would expect the NSA to try to get the same access to Zoom conversations as they have to Skype conversations. And I don't have the impression that Zoom would say no to billions of dollars to protect its users' privacy. | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | mgbmtl 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Just a reminder that Microsoft also owns many popular authentication services, including GitHub, LinkedIn and Hotmail/Outlook, not to mention Azure AD. | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | anshumankmr 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Time to switch to Gitlab I guess | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | propogandist 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Windows 10 is the ultimate spy machine, it was shoved down everyones throats "for free", and constantly phoning home. | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Each new OS updates introduces more telemetry and the phoning home can't be disabled unless you have an expensive enterprise version of Win 10 (LTSB). | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | arminiusreturns 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | It's fun to see a more old school style website, in both the sense of presentation and content. Go techrights. | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/?stories | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Techrights | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom | Nov 02 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | jmakov 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | What makes you think your local data isn't uploaded all the time and evaluated for cases when you request a visa or similar? Or for building a psy profile. | Nov 02 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | mkup 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Server seems to be down, here's a copy from Wayback Machine (archived today): | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://web.archive.org/web/20201101084005/http://techrights... | Nov 02 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | desilentio 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | What is the probability that my (a nobody's) Windows backdoor will ever be used? | Nov 02 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | ackbar03 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Well then clearly you have some work to do. Everyone knows that you've only made it when your a target for eavesdropping by the nsa | Nov 02 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | fit2rule 1 day ago [–] | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Depends on whether you are actively engaged in promoting views and beliefs that the mainstream don't want out there. | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe you're interested in securing the future for our children by degrading state secrecy. | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24957702 | Nov 02 16:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Microsoft and the NSA | Hacker News | Nov 02 16:52 | |
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