●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 03, 2021 ●● ● Jun 03 [00:38] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:38] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:38] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:38] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:40] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [00:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [00:40] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [00:50] *asusbox (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:50] *asusbox2 (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:a465:f91b:557:2bf3) has joined #techbytes [00:51] *rianne (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:51] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:a465:f91b:557:2bf3) has joined #techbytes [00:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:55] *rianne__ (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [00:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [00:57] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:57] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [00:57] *rianne__ (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:57] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 03 [01:01] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:02] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:04] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:04] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [01:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Lori19282949/status/1400217687716945937 [01:10] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/Lori19282949/status/1400217687716945937 [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Lori19282949: @RobertKennedyJr This is suspicious. https://t.co/eVdPFimtSv [01:10] TechBytesBot/fn @Lori19282949: @RobertKennedyJr This is suspicious. https://t.co/eVdPFimtSv [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Guest Post: Finer Details About Rick Allen Jones, Bill Gates Employee Arrested for Trade of Child Exploitation Footage | Techrights [01:10] TechBytesBot/fn -> techrights.org | Guest Post: Finer Details About Rick Allen Jones, Bill Gates Employee Arrested for Trade of Child Exploitation Footage | Techrights [01:11] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1400040487487250433 [01:11] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1400040487487250433 [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@glynmoody: more here: https://t.co/xlpjnTnCsy https://t.co/Rc6C6wHETS [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.privateinternetaccess.com | Major fightbacks against "cookie banner terror" and facial image scraping launched across Europe by privacy activists [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: NEWS #DeutscheWelle #Privacy #Surveillance European online activists target 'cookie banner terror' https://t.co/sgFLqwmLf9 [01:11] TechBytesBot/fn @glynmoody: more here: https://t.co/xlpjnTnCsy https://t.co/Rc6C6wHETS [01:11] TechBytesBot/fn -> www.privateinternetaccess.com | Major fightbacks against "cookie banner terror" and facial image scraping launched across Europe by privacy activists [01:11] TechBytesBot/fn @schestowitz: NEWS #DeutscheWelle #Privacy #Surveillance European online activists target 'cookie banner terror' https://t.co/sgFLqwmLf9 [01:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/kevank/status/1399923266303709185 [01:12] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/kevank/status/1399923266303709185 [01:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@kevank: @hrefhref @schestowitz Those are facts. Dr Roy isnt interested in facts. [01:12] TechBytesBot/fn @kevank: @hrefhref @schestowitz Those are facts. Dr Roy isnt interested in facts. [01:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1399821193574641665 [01:12] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1399821193574641665 [01:12] TechBytesBot/fn @stautistic: @schestowitz Jesus [01:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@stautistic: @schestowitz Jesus [01:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/fredriklinden/status/1399821032014462980 [01:12] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/fredriklinden/status/1399821032014462980 [01:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fredriklinden: @schestowitz Why not look at https://t.co/1tFzlyOeg2 sound and simple quality works anywhere. [01:12] TechBytesBot/fn @fredriklinden: @schestowitz Why not look at https://t.co/1tFzlyOeg2 sound and simple quality works anywhere. [01:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> noblewatersolutions.co.za | Products | Noble Water Solutions - [01:12] TechBytesBot/fn -> noblewatersolutions.co.za | Products | Noble Water Solutions - [01:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1399817999662686214 [01:12] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1399817999662686214 [01:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @schestowitz Guess why the UPC is so expensive for "SMEs"... [01:12] TechBytesBot/fn @zoobab: @schestowitz Guess why the UPC is so expensive for "SMEs"... [01:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1399817211359940614 [01:12] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1399817211359940614 [01:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @schestowitz UPC is a self-financed court at art36.3, courts are not a BUSINESS. [01:12] TechBytesBot/fn @zoobab: @schestowitz UPC is a self-financed court at art36.3, courts are not a BUSINESS. [01:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:26] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [01:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [01:32] *rianne__ (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [01:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [01:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:40] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [01:40] *tr-bridge has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:41] *tr-bridge (~tr-bridge@meowr.ru) has joined #techbytes [01:42] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:42] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge ● Jun 03 [02:40] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622642726057#c6404470826496449666 [02:40] schestowitz/fn http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622642726057#c6404470826496449666 [02:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [02:40] TechBytesBot/fn ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [02:40] schestowitz " [02:40] schestowitz/fn " [02:40] schestowitz To quote from the Guide on Article 6 of the ECHR (civil limb): [02:40] schestowitz/fn To quote from the Guide on Article 6 of the ECHR (civil limb): [02:40] schestowitz "225. In determining whether a body can be considered to be independent, the Court has had regard, inter alia, to the following criteria (Langborger v. Sweden, 32; Kleyn and Others v. the Netherlands [GC], 190): [02:40] schestowitz/fn "225. In determining whether a body can be considered to be independent, the Court has had regard, inter alia, to the following criteria (Langborger v. Sweden, 32; Kleyn and Others v. the Netherlands [GC], 190): [02:40] schestowitz i. the manner of appointment of its members and [02:40] schestowitz/fn i. the manner of appointment of its members and [02:40] schestowitz ii. the duration of their term of office; [02:40] schestowitz/fn ii. the duration of their term of office; [02:40] schestowitz iii. the existence of guarantees against outside pressures; and [02:40] schestowitz/fn iii. the existence of guarantees against outside pressures; and [02:40] schestowitz iv. whether the body presents an appearance of independence. [02:40] schestowitz/fn iv. whether the body presents an appearance of independence. [02:40] schestowitz/fn ... [02:40] schestowitz ... [02:40] schestowitz 228. The Court has not specified any particular term of office for the members of a decision-making body, although their irremovability during their term of office must in general be considered as a corollary of their independence. However, the absence of a formal recognition of this irremovability in the law does not in itself imply lack of independence provided that it is recognised in fact and that other necessary guarantees are [02:40] schestowitz/fn 228. The Court has not specified any particular term of office for the members of a decision-making body, although their irremovability during their term of office must in general be considered as a corollary of their independence. However, the absence of a formal recognition of this irremovability in the law does not in itself imply lack of independence provided that it is recog [02:40] schestowitz/fn nised in fact and that other necessary guarantees are [02:40] schestowitz present (Sacilor Lormines v. France, 67; Luka v. Romania, 44). [02:40] schestowitz/fn present (Sacilor Lormines v. France, 67; Luka v. Romania, 44). [02:40] schestowitz 229. Judicial independence demands that individual judges be free from undue influence outside the judiciary, and from within. Internal judicial independence requires that they be free from directives or pressures from fellow judges or those who have administrative responsibilities in the court such as the president of the court or the president of a division in the court. The absence of sufficient safeguards securing the independence [02:40] schestowitz/fn 229. Judicial independence demands that individual judges be free from undue influence outside the judiciary, and from within. Internal judicial independence requires that they be free from directives or pressures from fellow judges or those who have administrative responsibilities in the court such as the president of the court or the president of a division in the court. The ab [02:40] schestowitz of judges within the judiciary and, in particular, vis--vis their judicial superiors, may lead the Court to conclude that an applicants doubts as to the independence and impartiality of a court can be said to have been objectively justified (Agrokompleks v. Ukraine, 137; Parlov-Tkali v. Croatia, 86)". [02:40] schestowitz/fn sence of sufficient safeguards securing the independence [02:40] schestowitz With regard to the Boards of Appeal of the EPO, there are now objectively justifiable doubts regarding compliance with ALL of criteria i to iv above. How has this been allowed to happen? [02:40] schestowitz/fn of judges within the judiciary and, in particular, vis--vis their judicial superiors, may lead the Court to conclude that an applicants doubts as to the independence and impartiality of a court can be said to have been objectively justified (Agrokompleks v. Ukraine, 137; Parlov-Tkali v. Croatia, 86)". [02:40] schestowitz " [02:40] schestowitz/fn With regard to the Boards of Appeal of the EPO, there are now objectively justifiable doubts regarding compliance with ALL of criteria i to iv above. How has this been allowed to happen? 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The IPKat [14:04] TechBytesBot/fn ipkitten.blogspot.com | Reference to a hybridoma does not limit a product-by-process antibody claim (T 0032/17) - The IPKat [14:04] schestowitz " [14:04] schestowitz/fn " [14:04] schestowitz "But is a lack of evidence of disclosure the correct test for prior use? As we have recently seen, the test of prior use in the UK is the potentiality for public disclosure, IPKat" [14:04] schestowitz/fn "But is a lack of evidence of disclosure the correct test for prior use? As we have recently seen, the test of prior use in the UK is the potentiality for public disclosure, IPKat" [14:04] schestowitz And there are good reasons for this... [14:04] schestowitz/fn And there are good reasons for this... [14:04] schestowitz Firstly, negative evidence is usually difficult to get. And secondly, if we extend this to sufficiency, there would be a lot of problems: "The patent is revoked because there is no evidence anyone got a sample and so no one was sufficiently enabled." This would not be right, imho, just as it is not correct for novelty. [14:04] schestowitz/fn Firstly, negative evidence is usually difficult to get. 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In fact,Russia is likel https://t.co/EDOC6Y3XXY [22:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@glynmoody: "Russia, Canada, the Scandinavian countries and Iceland will survive climate change longer. In fact,Russia is likel https://t.co/EDOC6Y3XXY [22:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@glynmoody: "Russia, Canada, the Scandinavian countries and Iceland will survive climate change longer. In fact,Russia is likel https://t.co/EDOC6Y3XXY [22:03] TechBytesBot/fn @glynmoody: "Russia, Canada, the Scandinavian countries and Iceland will survive climate change longer. In fact,Russia is likel https://t.co/EDOC6Y3XXY [22:03] schestowitz ""Russia, Canada, the Scandinavian countries and Iceland will survive climate change longer. In fact,Russia is likely to become the dominant superpower in a collapsing warmer world."" [22:03] schestowitz/fn ""Russia, Canada, the Scandinavian countries and Iceland will survive climate change longer. In fact,Russia is likely to become the dominant superpower in a collapsing warmer world."" [22:03] schestowitz https://twitter.com/rosammat/status/1400391920388481027 [22:03] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/rosammat/status/1400391920388481027 [22:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rosammat: @BreesAnna @mediatrack_in https://t.co/VyOhIvrurX [22:03] TechBytesBot/fn @rosammat: @BreesAnna @mediatrack_in https://t.co/VyOhIvrurX [22:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: NEWS #Techdirt #ehrc Europe's Human Rights Court Says #UK Mass #Surveillance Violated Rights, Unlawfully Obta https://t.co/2J5Aeysd26 [22:03] TechBytesBot/fn @schestowitz: NEWS #Techdirt #ehrc Europe's Human Rights Court Says #UK Mass #Surveillance Violated Rights, Unlawfully Obta https://t.co/2J5Aeysd26 [22:03] schestowitz https://twitter.com/acruiz/status/1400371813687959553 [22:03] schestowitz/fn https://twitter.com/acruiz/status/1400371813687959553 [22:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@acruiz: @mjg59 @schestowitz because tribalism! if you think like him you get a "be a dick without consequences" lifetime voucher [22:03] TechBytesBot/fn @acruiz: @mjg59 @schestowitz because tribalism! if you think like him you get a "be a dick without consequences" lifetime voucher [22:08] *Aspie96 (02226e09@net-2-34-110-9.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #techbytes [22:11] *Aspie96 has quit (Client Quit) [22:11] *Aspie96 (02226e09@net-2-34-110-9.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #techbytes [22:23] *Aspie96 (02226e09@net-2-34-110-9.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has left #techbytes [22:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:34] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:35] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:36] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:42] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Jun 03 [23:09] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [23:24] *rianne (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:24] *asusbox (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:24] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [23:24] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:f4bf:2fd3:cddc:7fb5) has joined #techbytes [23:38] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:38] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:40] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:41] *asusbox (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:42] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [23:42] *rianne (~rianne@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:42] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:f4bf:2fd3:cddc:7fb5) has joined #techbytes