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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1201565454550081536Dec 03 00:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BrideOfLinux: Evidently Gnuing away: Richard Stallman is Active and Doing Well https://t.co/Jp4GnONzcKDec 03 00:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman is Active and Doing Well | TechrightsDec 03 00:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/hm_belcher/status/1201582606908903426Dec 03 00:01
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@hm_belcher: https://t.co/Vz4KEXNaOX Other tech companies submitted this as evidence. BILDERBERG WAS APPREHENDED IN 2009.Dec 03 00:01
schestowitz"Dec 03 00:02
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Bill Gates Dumps His Microsoft Shares and Buys Shares Of Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, and Exxon Mobil | TechrightsDec 03 00:02
schestowitzOther tech companies submitted this as evidence.Dec 03 00:02
schestowitzBILDERBERG WAS APPREHENDED IN 2009.Dec 03 00:02
schestowitz"Dec 03 00:02
schestowitzHi Daniel,Dec 03 04:37
schestowitzMy reply in-line, below:Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> Thanks for your work on sites like tuxmachines.orgDec 03 04:37
schestowitzWe'd not exist if it weren't for bloggers covering the issues (for TM to link to). Twitter and other social control media continue to discourage blogging.Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> Some content has been rearranged (there are redirects) and I noticeDec 03 04:37
schestowitz> tuxmachines.org still has original content and links, is it possible forDec 03 04:37
schestowitz> you to update them, to follow the new RSS feeds or to give some accessDec 03 04:37
schestowitz> to keep things in sync?Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> For example, on this page:Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126495Dec 03 04:37
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Daniel Pocock: Mollamby, Conflicts of Interest vs Privacy | Tux MachinesDec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> you have a link toDec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> https://danielpocock.com/mollamby-conflict-of-interest-privacy/Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> but the new link isDec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> https://debian.community/mollamby-conflict-of-interest-privacy/Dec 03 04:37
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-debian.community | Mollamby, Conflicts of Interest vs PrivacyDec 03 04:37
schestowitzI noticed this yesterday when I tried to locate the story. I think setting up the webserver software to redirect locally would be ideal as Techrights typically links to all those same addresses. Since the year 2000 or so I've always taken care to not change URLs (or to at least redirect to prevent Internet rot).Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> There are additional RSS feeds now:Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz> https://debian.community/feed.xmlDec 03 04:37
schestowitz> https://fsfellowship.eu/feed.xmlDec 03 04:37
schestowitz> https://datapocalypse.net/feed.xmlDec 03 04:37
schestowitzAdded to my RSS readerDec 03 04:37
schestowitz> The FSFE resignation emails were just published today:Dec 03 04:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:38
schestowitz> https://fsfellowship.eu/fsfe-resignations-and-expulsions/Dec 03 04:38
schestowitzAdded:Dec 03 04:38
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131227Dec 03 04:38
schestowitzHave you seenDec 03 04:38
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Software_FederationDec 03 04:38
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-fsfellowship.eu | FSFE Resignations and expulsionsDec 03 04:38
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | FSFE Resignations and expulsions | Tux MachinesDec 03 04:38
schestowitz?Dec 03 04:38
schestowitz> Did we ever meet when I lived in Manchester?  I think we were there atDec 03 04:38
schestowitz> the same time in 2002-2003?Dec 03 04:38
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Free Software Federation - TechrightsDec 03 04:38
schestowitz>Dec 03 04:38
schestowitz> Regards,Dec 03 04:38
schestowitzI was a student there at the time, but hadn't yet gone to ManLUG IIRC. Our paths may have crossed if you were at the Vic. U. of Manc. CS Dept.Dec 03 04:38
schestowitz> Hi Roy, I hace just received thatDec 03 05:17
schestowitzThanks, I only opened email about an hour agoDec 03 05:17
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-real-reason-why-451-page-dossier.html?showComment=1575286498601#c8702934197066657194Dec 03 06:28
schestowitz"Thanks MaxDrei, but I suspect you may not appreciate the depth of the US-UK special relationship. In that bond our foreign policy objectives (for example towards China and Russia), general approaches to politics and economics are far more aligned than the UK with Germany or France. The UK vision of the future is more in harmony with the US, than with France and Germany, particularly in regards to how the power blocs of future should evolve.Dec 03 06:28
schestowitzAssuming the UK will Brexit, then the US will need to become an even closer friend. That means choosing the US over Europe whenever the choice needs to be made, and furthering US interests in Europe if need be. That is simply how the UK must act to survive post-Brexit. I am sure the those who understand international relations in the UK have understood that already "Dec 03 06:28
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The real reason why the "451-page dossier" should concern you: US seeks to put UK "deviation from the EPC" on the table in future US/UK trade negotiations - The IPKatDec 03 06:28
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-real-reason-why-451-page-dossier.html?showComment=1575286352672#c7150713695057685094Dec 03 06:28
schestowitz"Dec 03 06:28
schestowitzRevocator the article here gives a list of states with grace in Europe. https://mewburn.com/resource/grace-periods-for-disclosure-of-an-invention-before-applying-for-a-patent/Dec 03 06:28
schestowitzWhich bit of the EPC stops contracting states having a patent grace period for their own patents?Dec 03 06:28
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The real reason why the "451-page dossier" should concern you: US seeks to put UK "deviation from the EPC" on the table in future US/UK trade negotiations - The IPKatDec 03 06:28
schestowitz"Dec 03 06:28
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mewburn.com | Grace Periods for Disclosure of an Invention before Applying for a Patent - Mewburn EllisDec 03 06:28
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-real-reason-why-451-page-dossier.html?showComment=1575290505146#c7841477479069416930Dec 03 06:29
schestowitz"Dec 03 06:29
schestowitzGood point, Honesty, about foreign policy alignment, being closer between the US and the UK than between the US and Europe. We saw that, for example, in the run-up to the Iraq War. France and Germany spoke against it, Tony Blair for it. As you say, with BREXIT, the USA "will need to" become an "even closer friend" of the UK. Only snag is, countries don't have "friends", close or otherwise. Rather, they have their national interests. I'm notDec 03 06:29
schestowitzconvinced that ours lie with a "need" to be an even closer "friend" of the USA.Dec 03 06:29
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The real reason why the "451-page dossier" should concern you: US seeks to put UK "deviation from the EPC" on the table in future US/UK trade negotiations - The IPKatDec 03 06:29
schestowitzBut I agree with you very strongly, that economics are very closely aligned between the USA and the UK's "natural party of government, much more closely than between mainland Europe and the USA. Whether that is a good thing for all those voting for BREXIT is an interesting question.Dec 03 06:29
schestowitz"Dec 03 06:30
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/12/paris-court-grants-anti-anti-suit.html?showComment=1575289372384#c7324296074497999912Dec 03 06:30
schestowitz"As a side note: This patent is highly contested. Its German variant (DE19910239 A1) has been declared invalid by the Federal Patent Court (BPatG) on October 27, 2016. Following a law suit in the UK, the mobile phone company HTC suspended sales of its phones there in August 2019 (https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/landmark-win-for-ipcom-htc-suspends-uk-phone-sales/) There's a revocation claim pending in Britain (HP-2019-000024)Dec 03 06:30
schestowitz."Dec 03 06:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Paris Court Grants Anti-Anti-Suit Injunction in IPCom v. Lenovo - The IPKatDec 03 06:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.juve-patent.com | Landmark win for IPCom as HTC suspends phone sales in the UK - JUVE PatentDec 03 06:30
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-real-reason-why-451-page-dossier.html?showComment=1575307043094#c2470963479296096119Dec 03 06:31
schestowitz"Dec 03 06:31
schestowitzAn interesting question.Dec 03 06:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The real reason why the "451-page dossier" should concern you: US seeks to put UK "deviation from the EPC" on the table in future US/UK trade negotiations - The IPKatDec 03 06:31
schestowitzArticle 2(2) EPC provides that "The European patent shall, in each of the Contracting States for which it is granted, have the effect of and be subject to the same conditions as a national patent granted by that State, unless this Convention provides otherwise".Dec 03 06:31
schestowitzIt seems to me that most EPC Contracting States, including the UK, view "subject to the same conditions" as meaning that the substantive conditions of patentability for an EP patent must be the same as those for a national patent.Dec 03 06:31
schestowitzThere are clearly examples of EPC Contracting States taking different views on the level of harmonisation mandated by the EPC ... and not just in connection with the definition of the relevant prior art (ie the grace period). But does that justify the UK ignoring its obligations under the EPC in connection with such a crucial provision as novelty?Dec 03 06:31
schestowitzI guess that how one answers that question will depend upon how comfortable one is with the EPC becoming a Convention that is honoured more in the breach than the observation... of course bearing in mind that the EPC provides the foundations for the UPC Agreement.Dec 03 06:31
schestowitz"Dec 03 06:31
schestowitzRe: The War of the Woke PeopleDec 03 06:33
schestowitz> Are you watching 'The War of the Worlds' on BBC? They totally ruined it,Dec 03 06:33
schestowitz> all the men are weak and a woman has to take charge, barking orders toDec 03 06:33
schestowitz> the men and in episode two, some man makes this ant-colonial statement:Dec 03 06:33
schestowitz>Dec 03 06:34
schestowitz> "/This is what we do, isn't it? .. We've been doing this to people forDec 03 06:34
schestowitz> years. People who don't know better. Just think what it would have beenDec 03 06:34
schestowitz> like for a man in the jungle to have seen white people for the firstDec 03 06:34
schestowitz> time, to not have received friendship but death/."Dec 03 06:34
schestowitz>Dec 03 06:34
schestowitz> The War of the Worlds <http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36/36-h/36-h.htm>Dec 03 06:34
schestowitz> by H. G. WellsDec 03 06:34
schestowitz>Dec 03 06:34
schestowitz> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36/36-h/36-h.htmDec 03 06:34
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.gutenberg.org | The War of the Worlds, by H. G. WellsDec 03 06:34
schestowitz> IRC is a little public for NDA material.  I wonder how many thousands ofDec 03 06:35
schestowitz> employers are receiving such handcuffs.Dec 03 06:35
schestowitzSometimes you need to make something public without it being 'too' public like a tweet...Dec 03 06:35
schestowitz"I only told some mates and ma' mom..."Dec 03 06:35
schestowitz>> Sometimes you need to make something public without it being 'too'Dec 03 07:33
schestowitz>> public like a tweet...Dec 03 07:33
schestowitz>>Dec 03 07:33
schestowitz>> "I only told some mates and ma' mom..."Dec 03 07:33
schestowitz>>Dec 03 07:33
schestowitz> Oh well.  Keep in mind that it looks like he is buying silence onDec 03 07:33
schestowitz> something or maybe several things.  For him the sums involved are paltryDec 03 07:33
schestowitz> so he may not even be involved directly.Dec 03 07:33
schestowitzit's his foundationDec 03 07:33
schestowitz>>> Ok but I see his foundation as just a tax dodge to provide shelter forDec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>> his personal slush fund which he uses to advance his politics, mainlyDec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>> via the desktop monopoly.Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>>Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>> I can't see NDAs being overturned any time soon but I hope thatDec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>> non-disparagement clauses in contracts get the axe quickly.  That willDec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>> allow many more to speak about what is being done by and inside M$.Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz>> I did not ask about the nature of the NDA; I think we never had one ofDec 03 08:37
schestowitz>> these before. Notice I mentioned neither the person nor the company, so...Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz>>Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz> Right.  It is the content of the NDA which is controlled.  I wonder ifDec 03 08:37
schestowitz> one could map out the presence and distribution of xxxxxxxxxx's NDAs.  But itDec 03 08:37
schestowitz> would probably be impossible since it would require those in the know toDec 03 08:37
schestowitz> report their presence.Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz>Dec 03 08:37
schestowitz> Myself, I agree with RMS about NDAs.  I signed one once, decades ago andDec 03 08:38
schestowitz> it expired shortly afterwards, but I realized then that *never again* isDec 03 08:38
schestowitz> it a good idea to sign one.Dec 03 08:38
schestowitzIt's a circular thing. Asking about the nature of an NDA when one exists.Dec 03 08:38
schestowitz> PS.  Is your address still at #10 there?Dec 03 08:38
schestowitzYes, it is. No need for gifts though :-) BuyNothingMonth.Dec 03 08:38
schestowitz> Ok.  We'll send a card though.  Thanks for all the hard work running TRDec 03 08:41
schestowitz> and TM.Dec 03 08:42
schestowitzThanks! For the help.Dec 03 08:42
schestowitzI work again 1  am onwards tonight. Sister and father staying over here next week, so will have less time to post.Dec 03 08:42
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KristianHarstad/status/1201672992171995136Dec 03 12:34
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KristianHarstad: @schestowitz Assange will be extradited to America and imprisoned for a very long time. Good.Dec 03 12:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MoreSocialism/status/1201656259247824896Dec 03 12:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MoreSocialism: @EclecticRadical @schestowitz @spencerthayer https://t.co/1C1XmIvHxRDec 03 12:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MoreSocialism: Listen, @MikeBloomberg makes most of his money with Bloomberg Terminals. What do you think would happen to them if… https://t.co/25B81ZBiJVDec 03 12:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ISupportJulianA/status/1201629009609662464Dec 03 12:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ISupportJulianA: @schestowitz @aaronjmate @wikileaks Btw...did you notice how that article says ‘they may have’. Kind of like using… https://t.co/KJ1yUHLq4gDec 03 12:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ISupportJulianA: @schestowitz @aaronjmate @wikileaks Btw...did you notice how that article says ‘they may have’. Kind of like using… https://t.co/KJ1yUHLq4gDec 03 12:35
schestowitz"Btw...did you notice how that article says ‘they may have’.  Kind of like using the word ‘allegedly’ just in case they are wrong....."Dec 03 12:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ISupportJulianA/status/1201628176759304193Dec 03 12:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ISupportJulianA: @schestowitz @aaronjmate @wikileaks Unbelievable....thanks for sending that. Notice how aesthetically pleasing th… https://t.co/ANC702hRYPDec 03 12:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ISupportJulianA: @schestowitz @aaronjmate @wikileaks Unbelievable....thanks for sending that. Notice how aesthetically pleasing th… https://t.co/ANC702hRYPDec 03 12:35
schestowitz["Unbelievable....thanks for sending that.   Notice how aesthetically pleasing those buildings are to look at?  It’s like Eve with the Apple, drawing us all in..."Dec 03 12:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ISupportJulianA/status/1201553268482203648Dec 03 12:36
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ISupportJulianA: @schestowitz @aaronjmate @wikileaks I wouldn’t assume that but yeah, in this case you may be right.Dec 03 12:36
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schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/11/28/if-german-complaint-is-dismissed-unified-patent-court-could-be-operation-early-2021/#comment-36131Dec 03 14:43
schestowitz"Dec 03 14:43
schestowitzWe live in a world in which, if the message is repeated often enough, people accept it as the reality. Not all of the people all of the time but, often, enough of the people, to achieve critical mass. This is the world inhabited by the proponents of the UPC. It explains their lobbying the DVG and their tone in press interviews.Dec 03 14:43
schestowitzThe mystery is why the DVG felt compelled to respond. The House of Windsor had a policy “Never complain. Never explain” which the DVG could sensibly follow. The DVG might find it instructive, to note what happens (think: Andrew) when you depart from this Rule.Dec 03 14:43
schestowitzREPLYDec 03 14:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | ‘If German complaint is dismissed, Unified Patent Court could be operation early 2021’ - Kluwer Patent BlogDec 03 14:43
schestowitzwedge77Dec 03 14:43
schestowitzNOVEMBER 30, 2019 AT 1:50 PMDec 03 14:43
schestowitzit will be the outcome of the complaint which will shape the meaning of the Huber interview in retrospect. Two options:Dec 03 14:43
schestowitz1) If the complaint is fully rejected, the Huber interview will mean that a member of the deciding body of the highest German court has disclosed procedural information on a pending case to certain parties not involved in that case but interested in just that outcome, through one of their major mouthpieces. This would put into question not only the legitimacy of the decision, but also the integrity and independence of Mr Huber and of theDec 03 14:43
schestowitzcourt as such.Dec 03 14:43
schestowitz2) If the complaint is allowed at least in part, the Huber interview will mean that a member of the deciding body of the highest German court displayed his discontent with the obviously unprecedented attempts by certain parties not involved in the case but interested in the complaint’s full rejection, to influence the court’s decision through one of their major mouthpieces. While still unusual, it would be a member of the court defendingDec 03 14:43
schestowitzhis and the court’s integrity and independence.Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzI’m sure Mr Huber and the court will chose wisely.Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzREPLYDec 03 14:44
schestowitzAttentive ObserverDec 03 14:44
schestowitzDECEMBER 1, 2019 AT 12:41 AMDec 03 14:44
schestowitzDear Wedge77,Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzI am rather for your second option, and not only in part. There are too many problems with the UPC as it stands, especially the possibility to amend an international agreement without a diplomatic conference, or at least only upon request of one of the member states. Where have you seen that before?Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzI fail to understand why such an agreement was at all signed and later ratified by so many member states. Either there is a Unitary Patent for all EU member states, or for none. Otherwise it will be a rich man Unitary Patent. That some smaller states have ratified, like Portugal, and will do like Slovenia, is no surprise as they have been lured in with an arbitration chamber.Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzAfter all, the UPC is not a necessity, and facilitating litigation for big companies, especially from outside Europe, is not an aim which needs to pursued, but from the side of those who hope to make the big buck. They will remain nameless.Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzI cannot imagine for one moment that the first option is the right one. The future chairman of the FGCC is a lawyer pro-UPC, but he is sitting in the first senate.Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzTechrights: FINGERS OFF!!Dec 03 14:44
schestowitz"Dec 03 14:44
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/razmjenavjestina/comments/e5ibkr/rms_is_alive_active_and_well/Dec 03 15:55
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | RMS is alive, active and well : razmjenavjestinaDec 03 15:55
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