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| schestowitz | > I think of copyleft as like a condom. Strictly speaking, not everybody needs it, it's not an ideal in and of itself, and in a perfect world would nobody would need it. | Jun 04 04:01 |
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| schestowitz | > But if we got rid of it, that would just be stupid-- the results would be predictable, we've seen what happens. And still everybody complains about it. | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > And Microsoft of course is like “C'mon, Baby, I dont want there to be anything between us!” | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > “Dude, I hardly know you!” | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > “Hey, you know me, I ♥ Linux, Baby!” | Jun 04 04:01 |
| schestowitz | > I've spent maybe 90 minutes going through what Bison does-- because they insist (in their mailing lists) that they will never move to Github. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > They insist this, but they have made Github their primary repo and made Savannah a mirror. People do pull requests to GH and after approval, they are committed to Savannah. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > And they insist that Github is non-free software. The only reasonable explanation is they have drifted over time, but kept their rhetoric and reasoning while it doesn't sync with their actions. But such insistence is not easy to disprove, because they're passionately defending this. What if they're actually right? | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > That's not how it seems though, because the nearest analogy I can come up with, is that someone's writing "a novel with free software" and their editors are mostly using Office on Windows, but after the editing is done someone takes the OOXML files, copies them to a machine running Trisquel, and converts everything to .odf. And this is what "writing a novel with free software" is these days. For GNU Bison. Once you welcome pull | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | requests, it's not a mirror anymore. That's the situation with GNU automake-- they call it a "mirror" though they accept GH pull requests now, and Bison is getting closer to using GH for so much of its development, while Savannah comes second. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > The actions don't jibe with the rhetoric, at all. They have to be kidding. But either way, the direction GNU governance is going, nobody is going to stop this. RMS doesn't say anything about it, he's probably not even online enough to follow any of what's going on here-- if you told him this I doubt he would even have a comment-- just questions. I'm not exaggerating anything that when I say the things I've said. The main hope is that | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm somehow mistaken. That would be alright by me. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > As XXXXXXXXX says, they're promoting non-free for GNU development no matter how you frame this. Even if they weren't, they're encouraging people to trust Microsoft with development. Given the (ongoing) situation there, that's self-destructive and foolish. It does not serve freedom, it misleads the user. The GNU Project is sacrificing the very standards that make it GNU. But of course, they will not admit it or think of it that way. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | Collectively, but not across the board obviously, they're doing 90% of the things they said they won't ever do. Or more. This is absurd. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | There ought to be an article with links and findings related to this as a warning sign. One day it'll come handy. | Jun 04 04:04 |
| schestowitz | > <https://diasporapod.no/people/4d21ae0f2c17437fbf0102d2> TrueNAS isn’t abandoning BSD—but it is adopting Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138327#comment-25341 | Jun 04 04:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:15 |
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| schestowitz | > Sure, both GitHub and Linux kernel are co-opted by Microsoft. | Jun 04 04:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 04 04:15 |
| schestowitz | > This is how they slowly attack BSD-- get free software crowd to adopt Github, get BSD crowd to adopt Linux kernel. That's a cheap way to get their claws in. | Jun 04 04:15 |
| schestowitz | We need to make GitHub dead. I think it loses some control, but the media doesn't talk about it. | Jun 04 04:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Starting our next Open Source Project - TrueNAS SCALE | Tux Machines | Jun 04 04:15 | |
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