●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 04, 2023 ●● ● Jul 04 [01:15] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:57] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Jul 04 [02:33] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:36] *geert (~geert@y79sp5aq4emhi.irc) has joined #techbytes [02:38] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@h9w2ackdz5nh2.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 04 [07:25] schestowitz[TR] i tried for more than 15 mins to find the list of companies/sponsors that lack a statement on "modern slavery" (or similar). It was published about a month ago, but I cannot remember where and cannot find it now. [07:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Layoffs#July_2023http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Layoffs#July_2023 [07:52] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Microsoft - Layoffs - Techrights [07:52] schestowitz[TR] " 16. USF-Kongress 2023 in Alicante, Spanien [07:52] schestowitz[TR] Liebe Mitglieder, [07:52] schestowitz[TR] [07:52] schestowitz[TR] die IGEPA Berlin ist Teil des europischen Gewerkschaftsverbandes Union Syndicale Fdrale (USF) mit Sitz in Brssel. [07:52] schestowitz[TR] [07:52] schestowitz[TR] Gem Artikel 8 des USF-Statuts tritt alle vier Jahre der Kongress der USF (deren oberstes Organ) zusammen. Er findet vom 6. bis zum 9. Mai 2023 in Alicante statt. [07:52] schestowitz[TR] [07:52] schestowitz[TR] Der Vorstand der IGEPA Berlin hat als Teilnehmer benannt: [07:52] schestowitz[TR] [07:52] schestowitz[TR] - Alfred Exner, [07:52] schestowitz[TR] - Peter Kempen, [07:52] schestowitz[TR] - Christian Schffler. [07:52] schestowitz[TR] [07:52] schestowitz[TR] Weitere Informationen sind auf der USF-Webseite und von den genannten Teilnehmern erhltlich. [07:52] schestowitz[TR] [07:52] schestowitz[TR] Der Vorstand der IGEPA Berlin" ● Jul 04 [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > You are looking for this blog post? [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > https://danielpocock.com/7000-spam-messages-debian-day-volunteer-suicide/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > All my Frans Pop posts are tagged here [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > https://danielpocock.com/category/debian-day-volunteer-suicide/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > and I link to the tag from the bottom of every post. [08:03] schestowitz[TR] yes! That's what I looked for. [08:03] schestowitz[TR] Added: [08:03] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2023/07/04/modern-slavery-false-dichotomy/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] For context: [08:03] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2023/07/04/cancel-the-geeks/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > You are looking for this blog post? [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > https://danielpocock.com/7000-spam-messages-debian-day-volunteer-suicide/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > All my Frans Pop posts are tagged here [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > https://danielpocock.com/category/debian-day-volunteer-suicide/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > [08:03] schestowitz[TR] > and I link to the tag from the bottom of every post. [08:03] schestowitz[TR] yes! That's what I looked for. [08:03] schestowitz[TR] Added: [08:03] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2023/07/04/modern-slavery-false-dichotomy/ [08:03] schestowitz[TR] For context: [08:03] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2023/07/04/cancel-the-geeks/ [08:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-danielpocock.com | 7,000 spam messages & Debian Day Volunteer Suicide [08:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-danielpocock.com | Debian Day volunteer suicide [08:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | False quote (but widely spread and misattributed): I freed a thousand slaves; I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves | Techrights [08:03] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Corporate Cancel Culture Industry Part III: Non-Technical People Trying to Ruin the Lives of the Geeks | Techrights [08:40] *geert has quit (connection closed) ● Jul 04 [09:46] *rianne_ has quit (connection closed) [09:46] *rianne has quit (Connection closed) [09:46] *rianne_ (~rianne@3stvfjh5iuw88.irc) has joined #techbytes [09:47] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-7uc.ra8.a7lnth.IP) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 04 [11:19] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@u8ftxtfux23wk.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:24] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@u8ftxtfux23wk.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 04 [12:30] schestowitz[TR] x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3700709/m365-copilot-microsofts-generative-ai-tool-explained.html [12:30] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-M365 Copilot, Microsofts generative AI tool, explained | Computerworld ● Jul 04 [15:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@h9w2ackdz5nh2.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 04 [16:45] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:53] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 04 [18:05] schestowitz[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/06/new-eba-referral-when-is-prior-use-of.html?showComment=1688422876339#c5099511933671150272 [18:05] schestowitz[TR] "I agree that if partial info can be derived, then that info is part of the prior art.

(And in general the EPO concept that a "non-enabling" disclosure is not part of the prior art under Art. 54(2) at all is broken. The disclosure may still contain useful information which can be combined with other disclosures. The "enablement" criterion should be read into Art. 54(1), not (2).)

What Q1 see [18:05] schestowitz[TR] ms to ask is whether the product itself is part of the prior art.

Art. 54(2): "The state of the art shall be held to comprise everything made available to the public by means of a written or oral description, by use, or in any other way, before the date of filing of the European patent application."

Does this refer only to INFORMATION that is made available to the public, or does it also include physi [18:05] schestowitz[TR] cal objects?

If it includes physical objects, then the commercial product for sale before the filing date, including all its (potentially hidden) properties, is part of the prior art (reproducibility is not a problem: you can buy it). Its properties would then not have to be derivable already at the filing date to be novelty destroying (they would still need to be proved somehow before lack of novelty can be concluded, ob [18:05] schestowitz[TR] viously).

If the skilled person would need information about the composition of the product in order to modify it into something that falls within the terms of the claims, then that information must have been derivable from the product or otherwise have been available at the filing date. T 438/19 does not seem to explain whether this is the case." [18:05] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | New EBA referral: When is prior use of a product excluded from the prior art for lack of enablement? - The IPKat ● Jul 04 [19:51] *parsifal (~parsifal@aahfbjmj4hann.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 04 [22:50] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 04 [23:26] Tcl interface unloaded [23:26] Python interface unloaded [23:28] *Now talking on #techbytes [23:28] *Topic for #techbytes is: Welcome to the official channel of the TechBytes Audiocast [23:28] *Topic for #techbytes set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:21:34 2021 [23:29] *Now talking on #techbytes [23:31] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:36] schestowitz[TR] "A big "Thank you" to the election committee [23:36] schestowitz[TR] Dear colleagues, [23:36] schestowitz[TR] This years Staff Committee Election 2023 was a historic moment. After nine years and following ILO Judgment 4482 the organisation of the elections has once again been entrusted entirely to an Election Committee nominated by the General Assembly of all staff. This stands in stark contrast to the previous two elections, which were organised by the EPO management. [23:36] schestowitz[TR] The significance of ILO Judgment 4482 cannot be overstated, as it unequivocally deemed the previous legislation as illegal, given its blatant violation of the fundamental right to Freedom of Association. This judgment effectively brought an end to a chapter characterized by severe social conflict. Today, a step towards true Freedom of Association at the EPO has been accomplished, and the Election Committee played a pivotal role. [23:36] schestowitz[TR] In this open letter the outgoing Staff Committee Munich would like to thank the Election Committee for their excellent work. [23:36] schestowitz[TR] With best regards, [23:36] schestowitz[TR] Local Staff Committee Munich - LSCMN"