●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 04, 2021 ●● ● Oct 04 [00:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:45] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Oct 04 [01:47] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) ● Oct 04 [02:45] *blitzed (~blitzed@hfgtzj3k77jkn.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Oct 04 [05:43] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 04 [06:25] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@p27wcf5sipg4i.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Oct 04 [07:20] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 04 [08:13] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@4qc3338mpcm6n.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Oct 04 [09:55] schestowitz https://twitter.com/kasadali8/status/1444945701406973954 [09:55] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@kasadali8: @schestowitz Speedy way to hell [09:56] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/jrbrtson/status/1444940909599199233 [09:56] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-nitter.eu | James Robertson (@jrbrtson): "The newspaper Dagens Nyheter said the artists partner confirmed his death, and the Swedish news agency TT said police had confirmed that Vilks, 75, was travelling in the car with two police officers, who also died. According to police, a civilian police car and a truck ..." | nitter [09:56] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1444939997556137994 [09:56] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@glynmoody: #brexitreality https://t.co/gktdCdzG5w [09:56] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: As if this is the most alarming thing of them all... https://t.co/MeFKDXcZyL [09:56] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Jontafkasi/status/1444949548993028108 [09:56] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Jontafkasi: @glynmoody @georgebernhard Panic christmas shopping in 3...2...1 [09:57] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1444930514436112385 [09:57] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@glynmoody: indeed: time to break down those walls that lock up knowledge and art - https://t.co/ejiUwXfQ3k https://t.co/HY1asbp917 [09:57] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://walledculture.org/welcome-to-walled-culture/ ) [09:57] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: [Old] #RobertWinter #Copyrights #Copyright My Copy of The Times https://t.co/i3ixgpopyn [09:58] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Jontafkasi/status/1444949431011401731 [09:58] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Jontafkasi: @schestowitz @georgebernhard I wonder what behaviours this kind of messaging will encourage? [09:59] schestowitz https://twitter.com/MichaelSzydlo/status/1444949728035233794 [09:59] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-No status found with that ID. 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Just the like EU. [23:42] schestowitz Attentive Observer [23:42] schestowitz SEPTEMBER 30, 2021 AT 7:20 PM [23:42] schestowitz I would not go as far for the EU. There are lots of criticisms, but I do not think that any referendum deciding to leave the EU would have any chance of success, even in countries which are at odds with the Commission. [23:42] schestowitz They would lose a lot of money. [23:42] schestowitz Patent robot [23:42] schestowitz SEPTEMBER 30, 2021 AT 11:48 AM [23:42] schestowitz Can someone please explain how the Protocol and the UPC can enter into force soon when the UK has withdrawn its ratification in 2020? [23:42] schestowitz David Foster [23:42] schestowitz SEPTEMBER 30, 2021 AT 1:35 PM [23:42] schestowitz The European Commission has cheated the Impact Assessment of the UPC. [23:42] schestowitz The Harhoff 2009 study was about the Community Patent, not the Unitary Patent. [23:42] schestowitz It was done to hide the controversial changes made in between, such as the self-financed aspect of the UPC, which explains why it is so expensive for SMEs. [23:42] schestowitz This is a intentional fraud. [23:42] schestowitz Jan Verbist [23:42] schestowitz OCTOBER 1, 2021 AT 10:12 PM [23:42] schestowitz Does anybody know where is the UPCA Impact Assessment (IA)? [23:43] schestowitz In the IA on the 2 regulations, you can find this curious statement: [23:43] schestowitz https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=SEC:2011:0483:FIN:EN:PDF [23:43] schestowitz Finally, this IA does not address the unified patent litigation system that follows a parallel work stream and will be subject to different legal instrument. [23:43] schestowitz FFII has also published some allegations in June: [23:43] schestowitz https://ffii.org/european-commission-cheated-unified-patent-courts-impact-assessment-to-hide-the-high-costs-for-smes/ [23:43] schestowitz according to a testimony we received [Margot Frohlinger] did not want to redo the impact assessment because it would attract critics. [23:43] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ffii.org | European Commission cheated Unitary Patents Impact Assessment to hide its high costs for SMEs | FFII [23:43] schestowitz The Commission is obliged to ship Impact Assessments attached to each of their proposals (which was correctly done for the 2 regulations), why was it not done with the UPCA? [23:43] schestowitz Attentive Observer [23:43] schestowitz OCTOBER 2, 2021 AT 9:13 AM [23:43] schestowitz Thanks for the information. [23:43] schestowitz It is even worth than what one could expect. [23:43] schestowitz Cheating was voluntary. [23:43] schestowitz This is lobbying at its best, and the politicians were too happy to fall for it! [23:43] schestowitz The rule of law should not be degraded as it would be should the UPC start! [23:43] schestowitz It makes one want to puke at such duplicity! [23:43] schestowitz Attentive Observer [23:43] schestowitz SEPTEMBER 30, 2021 AT 7:44 PM [23:43] schestowitz Those who claim that the UPC is good for European industry in general and SMEs in particular cannot believe what they are saying. [23:43] schestowitz The simply use the SMEs as fig leaf. [23:43] schestowitz There have been studies showing clearly that the UPC will have a deleterious effect on SMEs. [23:43] schestowitz I refer here at the study of Mr Dimitris Xenos The Impact of the European Patent system on SMEs and National States and the Advent of Unitary Patent available at https://ssrn.com/abstract=3600384 [23:43] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-papers.ssrn.com | The Impact of the European Patent System on SMEs and National States and the Advent of Unitary Patent by Dimitris Xenos :: SSRN [23:43] schestowitz Why have countries like Poland and the Czech Republic refused to ratify the UPC? Because it will have a deleterious effect on their industry. [23:43] schestowitz Attentive Observer [23:43] schestowitz OCTOBER 1, 2021 AT 6:44 PM [23:43] schestowitz Dear Concerned Observer, [23:43] schestowitz I can fully subscribe to your view as far as the position of a judge acting under the UPC as it stands. [23:43] schestowitz But would it not be easy for such a judge to say that the subject-matter of the debate before the UPC is an infringement or nullity action and hence challenging the legality of the UPC is a not-admissible question? [23:43] schestowitz I fear that this might be the position of all judges also hoping to make the big buck at the UPC. They would not be so stupid as to saw the branch on which they are sitting? [23:43] schestowitz Before the entry in force of the UPC, its conformity with Union law has to be checked. It is not enough for its promoters to claim that it is conform. [23:43] schestowitz Jan Verbist [23:43] schestowitz OCTOBER 1, 2021 AT 11:22 PM [23:43] schestowitz Before the entry in force of the UPC, its conformity with Union law has to be checked. It is not enough for its promoters to claim that it is conform. [23:43] schestowitz In the previous project of 2009, the UPLS, the Rules of Procedure had to be validated by the CJEU, not the Commission, like in UPC. No idea what that has been changed. [23:43] schestowitz Comments are closed. [23:43] schestowitz "