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    Jet-powered Star Wars speeder bike built from repurposed hoverboard
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    To save the project, Bruton turned to an Arduino UNO Rev3. It monitors the rotation angle and tilt angle of the handlebars using potentiometers, then uses servo motors to tilt the hoverboard controller boards accordingly. As far as the hoverboard electronics know, this is just the movement of the rider shifting their weight or moving their feet. This causes the bike to roll side-to-side or rota [06:06] schestowitz te in place through input through the handlebars.

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    Malicious Ads in Bing Chat
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    Malicious ads are creeping into chatbots.

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    • [06:36] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Malicious Ads in Bing Chat - Schneier on Security ● Oct 05 [10:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:57] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@vga34widiu32u.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Oct 05 [13:40] *MinceR gives voice to u-amarsh04 ● Oct 05 [16:28] *jacobk (~quassel@32hz32it3ih2k.irc) has joined #techbytes [16:45] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/10/use-of-large-language-models-in-patent.html?showComment=1696496862714#c3516517409395694696 [16:45] schestowitz "A lot of the (over) excitement about LLMs seems to reveal something about the perception of the role of a patent attorney, which I think is sometimes shared by some in the profession. Rose is 100% right to say:
    "...LLM are similarly very good at summarising and reformatting text whilst retaining the pre-existing meaning of the text, e.g. from a bullet point list into paragraphs. However, both of these tasks are far removed fr [16:45] schestowitz om the detailed technical verbal reasoning required for patent drafting and prosecution."
    The challenge for us is to make people understand that the job of an attorney is not just to write in a certain style using certain choice words that you don't often find outside of patent specifications. Personally I think a lot of attorneys could do better to use some of those words much less.
    I am sure Rose is also right to say &q [16:45] schestowitz uot;LLM are thus good at providing long-form novelty or inventive step arguments, provided that they are spoon-fed the argumentative points in the form of prompts." But how useful really is that as a tool? Do examiners really want "long-form" arguments when the same point could be made in a succinct list of bullet points?
    Yes there are certain conventions we have to (or probably ought to) follow but the ability of LL [16:45] schestowitz Ms is a reminder of the importance of style over substance. Patent attorneys (at the moment) have nothing to fear if substance matters.
    I remember reading a few years ago some survey that CIPA had done about training. One of the top complaints from trainees was about supervisors "correcting" work for style. I am sure an LLM could be made to take in an already good draft specification and turn it into one that the trainee' [16:45] schestowitz s supervisor would be happier with in terms of matching the style... but wouldn't a better (and cheaper!) solution be a more open mind on the part of the supervisor?" [16:45] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Use of large language models in the patent industry: A risk to patent quality? - The IPKat [16:45] schestowitz "@Anonymous
    Indeed the definition of the technical field in the application is key. And I mean by "technical field" a reference to a certain field of use, which can also equated to the "art" of the skilled person.
    In the discussions about the "closest prior art" and the "technical problem", be it subjective or objective, a missing but key element is generally the "art" of the s [16:45] schestowitz killed person. This may sound surprising, since the skilled person is a most critical notion and it is explicit in the EPC (as in other patent laws), not just for inventive step but also for sufficiency and implicit for novelty. Whereas the PSA and the CPA are not in the EPC.
    In my view, the presentation of the PSA as a three-step approach starting with the CPA is defective because it skips the preliminary crucial step which is th [16:45] schestowitz e identification of the art to which Art 56 refers.' [16:46] schestowitz "Great article Rose as usual. You mentioned how LLMs could be used to replace the work typically done by trainees to keep costs down. I think this is actually a really big concern for our industry. Firms that can replace their trainee work with LLMs operated by skilled attorneys could be significantly more cost-efficient than those that don't. If trainee attorneys can be entirely replaced, how will firms justifying the cost of training [16:46] schestowitz the next generation of attorneys?
    To some extent this will be avoided in firms with a strong focus on quality over quantity but the issue will become more prominent as the technology improves." ● Oct 05 [18:21] *MinceR gives voice to jacobk ● Oct 05 [19:10] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 05 [20:46] *jacobk (~quassel@32hz32it3ih2k.irc) has joined #techbytes [20:52] *MinceR gives voice to jacobk ● Oct 05 [21:08] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:21] *jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techbytes [21:22] *MinceR gives voice to jacobk [21:43] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:52] *jacobk (~quassel@99ed6ukzxymmc.irc) has joined #techbytes [21:57] *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 05 [23:23] *jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:36] *MinceR gives voice to jacobk